God hates...?

[Burgold]

God hates... I see so many signs today saying that God hates this or that. It's strange. I grew up being taught of a loving God or occassionally a vengeful God, but hate wasn't really part of the vocabulary.

Why are we in a place now that people so comfortable putting hate in God's mouth. Worse, are the images of angry children holding up placcards talking about who God hates. Don't their parents know that these kids will take it to heart and their lives will be contorted and shaped by angry intolerance. People say we need to shield kids and that they shouldn't be exposed to sexuality, pornography, violence and I do believe in a time of innocence, but why then do many of these same people teach anger, violence, and hate? Isn't that the opposite of the message of God that you want to teach? Isn't it the opposite that we want to teach kids period?

I wonder if it's about economics. It's easier to hate and quicker to find scapegoats ten wrestle with reality. We're in a bad economic time and have been for a decade. Maybe that's why the messages of love and brotherhood seem to be deep sixed by messages of hate.

I'm probably the wrong messenger for this as I'm pretty secular and at most go to services on High Holidays and can't quote any scripture, but still, I suspect that those who believe God hates have lost their way. Mind you, I don't really think that any of us know the way or have the answer, but that's a different thought.

[Koolblue13]

“God loved the birds and invented trees. Man loved the birds and invented cages.” Jacques Deval

[zoony]

I don't buy your premise that it is more common today, quite the opposite

[Koolblue13]

It's definitely not as bad now as it use to be. You don't see large open organizations like the Klan running freely lynching people for the good of god. Our wars aren't purely or even openly religious based these days.

I think it may seem worse now, because the contrast is greater. The world has basically become more open and accepting, as well as more intelligent.

[Burgold]

I don't buy your premise that it is more common today, quite the opposite

Maybe it's more common than I am used to noticing?

I've just been seeing lots of demonstrations and protests recently wit people carrying signs talking about what God hates. It rubs me wrong.

Btw Kool, I like that quote.

[AsburySkinsFan]

This will be a rerun for you Burg, but....

People who say "God hates" are choosing to emphasize the justice of God in a rather juvenile manner. One picture we get from the prophets is that God is continually proclaiming His withheld justice in the face of rebellion while announcing the call for repentance. But, those who only say talk about the things God hates are more like the bitter and angry Jonah who went begrudgingly to Nineveh and when there screamed how awful the people were and how they were all gonna get it soon. They like Jonah are only telling half the story, and unlike Jonah who knew that God is gracious and merciful many of them today seem to think that the justice of God is the whole story and how sad is that?

As for the appeal to Enlightenment human progression...I'm hardly convinced, and IMO people who think we are better ethically etc are living in a bubble.

[Burgold]

This will be a rerun for you Burg, but....

People who say "God hates" are choosing to emphasize the justice of God in a rather juvenile manner.

My take is that they are not thinking of God at all, but rather of themselves and projecting their individualistic notions onto them. Mind you, everyone does that. Everyone understands God through their own prism of experience and intellect. Sometimes that viewing leads people to disbelief, other times wrong belief, and occassionally onto something beautiful.

Still, through the Prism of what I was taught about God. God would think hate is a four letter word. :D

[grego]

yesterday, i was flipping around the over-the-air channels near fredericksburg, va and found this guy preaching.

http://www.theroc.com/about/the-roc/

the sermon, about how common it is for churches to essentially preach hate when they are supposed to be preaching love, was one of the best i've ever heard.

[AsburySkinsFan]

yesterday, i was flipping around the over-the-air channels near fredericksburg, va and found this guy preaching.

http://www.theroc.com/about/the-roc/

the sermon, about how common it is for churches to essentially preach hate when they are supposed to be preaching love, was one of the best i've ever heard.

The one's who do that are living in a slanted view dominated by a misreading of The Law and the Prophets (Old Testament for some of us ;)) in that they want all of the vengeance of God, and all of the justice of God to fall on everyone else but they're ok, when that wasn't the message of the prophets at all....not to mention Jesus. The interesting part for me is that with Jesus is that we typically tend toward either "Then neither do I condemn you" antinomianism (no Law) or its opposite "then go and sin no more" leagalism, without embracing the whole statement of Christ which is neither antinomianism or legalism, but instead justice with mercy, the call to holiness with the offering of grace for when we fail.

[Burgold]

, but instead justice with mercy, the call to holiness with the offering of grace for when we fail.

When I was studying for my Bar Mitzvah, I remember being told that in the Torah there are 360 rules that God expects you to obey and follow every day in order to be a good person. Then, my teacher took a breath and said, God knows no one can achieve them all every single day, but he wants you to try to be your best.

In some ways, that's my core religious belief. Be as good as you can be and try.

[AsburySkinsFan]

When I was studying for my Bar Mitzvah, I remember being told that in the Torah there are 360 rules that God expects you to obey and follow every day in order to be a good person. Then, my teacher took a breath and said, God knows no one can achieve them all every single day, but he wants you to try to be your best.

In some ways, that's my core religious belief. Be as good as you can be and try.
That's the message right there, God has a measure of righteousness that we're called to and measured against, but at the same time God offers grace for when we fall short. IMO the key difference is how we approach the standard, do we walk up to it expecting God's grace, or do we approach in shame only to be surprised by God's mercy?

[MLSKINS]

IMO the key difference is how we approach the standard, do we walk up to it expecting God's grace, or do we approach in shame only to be surprised by God's mercy?
I must be having an off morning, but can you elaborate on this for me? It sounds good, but I don't fully understand what it means.

[sideshow24]

(Proverbs 6:16-19) 16*There are six things that Jehovah God does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: 17*lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, 18*a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, 19*a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.

[greenspandan]

(Proverbs 6:16-19) 16*There are six things that Jehovah God does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: 17*lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, 18*a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, 19*a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.

also, mayonnaise. quoth the lord, "bleah!"

[Riggo-toni]

Off topic, technically the Old Testament not = law and the prophets. The Torah and Nevvim are those works up to Jeremiah. Works written post-exile are also included in the OT (ie Daniel,Nehemiah) but they are the Kethuvim or "writings."
Oh, and God hates Eagles fans.....

[AsburySkinsFan]

I must be having an off morning, but can you elaborate on this for me? It sounds good, but I don't fully understand what it means.

We are each measured against the standard of God's revealed righteousness (the Law if you will), but having heard from the prophets we see that God is foriving and gracious to those who turn from their failings (notice this has less to do with emotional guilt than it does active life change), now how do we then stand before God? A) boldly knowing we haven't succeeded with an aire of entitlment to God's mercy, or B) humbly knowing we have no right to claim God's mercy. I think the apostle Paul would say it like this "should we sin more so that grace may abound? God forbid it!" It is really easy to develop an entitlement attitude when it comes to God's grace, because in faith we are joint heirs in the inheretance, but only by the pleasure of God's favor.

Sorry, just preached on this last night. :)

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Off topic, technically the Old Testament not = law and the prophets. The Torah and Nevvim are those works up to Jeremiah. Works written post-exile are also included in the OT (ie Daniel,Nehemiah) but they are the Kethuvim or "writings."
agreed, but nobody hears that distinction, pardon my shorthand.


Oh, and God hates Eagles fans.....
hmmm...maybe God hates that they are Eagles fans...Philly is Nineveh. :pfft:

[RichmondRedskin88]

I d be lying if i sais there hasnt been a few times when some bad crap happened and my eyes just wander upward like "seriously dude?" my middle name was religiously motivated for St Michael. Something i try remember if the chain I wear with him on it doesnt. But yeah ive gotten mad at him before(misplaced anger) i aint gonna be spewing all over the place though. At the end of the day i know he aint trying **** me over.

Those that say God hates are just trying to justify their argument or find a excuse forsomething happening.

[SWFLSkins]

First I think with all the media more of this line of thinking is known by pure exposure. Second I know that Man is not God so how could they speak for him? God created a contradiction and we will continue down the road until the end of our time.

[China]

Apparently God hates a lot of stuff, including bacon, figs, ponies, shrimp, etc.:

http://oscargilroy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/rally-to-restore-sanity-god-hates-signs.jpg?w=383&h=304

http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/78/god-hates-figs-4078.jpg

http://www.fastcustomshirts.com/catalog/Romo%20Back%20EBAY.jpg

http://skreened.com/render-product/j/m/g/jmgcaiukeuoijoijceav/god-hates-bags.american-apparel-bull-denim-tote-bag.natural.w760h760.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdHAmoNZM34yiWREYBk0bMuAVehkHw8 reV7HvxR_MqM_bnOX8-NA


http://bornagainpagan.com/photos/073-god-hates-facts.jpg

http://oscargilroy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-protest-signs01.jpg?w=383&h=314

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSovMvuG3_Q_qB-XsJGG6Dbl1mRFtwDKzZIFujkaaNfifOyltQl1A

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3295/3036021190_bde7e22462_z.jpg

http://torinelson.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/god-hates-bacon1.jpg

[skinsmarydu]

Good stuff, China.
I believe God loves everything and everyone. He had a little 20/20 hindsight and wanted to destroy all that he had made (Genesis 6, I believe, feel free to correct me), but I'm kinda happy he changed his mind.
Or her mind...since we girls have that prerogative, lol.

[MLSKINS]

We are each measured against the standard of God's revealed righteousness (the Law if you will), but having heard from the prophets we see that God is foriving and gracious to those who turn from their failings (notice this has less to do with emotional guilt than it does active life change), now how do we then stand before God? A) boldly knowing we haven't succeeded with an aire of entitlment to God's mercy, or B) humbly knowing we have no right to claim God's mercy. I think the apostle Paul would say it like this "should we sin more so that grace may abound? God forbid it!" It is really easy to develop an entitlement attitude when it comes to God's grace, because in faith we are joint heirs in the inheretance, but only by the pleasure of God's favor.

Sorry, just preached on this last night. :)[COLOR="Gold"]


So if I understand this correctly, the first would be trying your best and failing, but knowing that God will grant you his mercy. And that later would be trying your best, knowing that you will fail, and feeling you don't deserve His mercy?

[AsburySkinsFan]

So if I understand this correctly, the first would be trying your best and failing, but knowing that God will grant you his mercy. And that later would be trying your best, knowing that you will fail, and feeling you don't deserve His mercy?

Actually the first is more the entitlement attitude, which says, "yeah, I sinned...now where is my forgiveness?" The second is a recognition that we have no right to forgiveness. Of course there is always the third which says, "why do I need forgiveness when I haven't sinned? (or there is no sin)"

FTR, Christians aren't bound by dietary food laws as clearly illustrated in the book of Acts with Peter's vision, as such any comments/signs regarding shellfish and bacon are made in ignorance.

[MLSKINS]

Actually the first is more the entitlement attitude, which says, "yeah, I sinned...now where is my forgiveness?" The second is a recognition that we have no right to forgiveness. Of course there is always the third which says, "why do I need forgiveness when I haven't sinned? (or there is no sin)"

After really dumbing it down, I finally see where you are coming from. :ols:

[twa]

ASF...ya think someone would take that stance in front of God?
of course since God is everywhere.....

[MintHillSkinsFan]

God hates Vampires............but Jesus loves the little fagots.


Sorry............this should be in the True Blood thread. :-)

[RVAbrendan]

MintHillSkinsFan

Might want to edit, buttercup

[GhostofSparta]

Might want to edit, buttercup

You might wanna edit the quote. The mods can crackdown on you for quoting a violation too. Just a heads up.

Malachi 2:16

"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.

[ChampSkinsFan]

Apparently God hates a lot of stuff, including bacon, figs, ponies, shrimp, etc.:

http://oscargilroy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/rally-to-restore-sanity-god-hates-signs.jpg?w=383&h=304

http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/78/god-hates-figs-4078.jpg

http://www.fastcustomshirts.com/catalog/Romo%20Back%20EBAY.jpg

http://skreened.com/render-product/j/m/g/jmgcaiukeuoijoijceav/god-hates-bags.american-apparel-bull-denim-tote-bag.natural.w760h760.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdHAmoNZM34yiWREYBk0bMuAVehkHw8 reV7HvxR_MqM_bnOX8-NA


http://bornagainpagan.com/photos/073-god-hates-facts.jpg

http://oscargilroy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-protest-signs01.jpg?w=383&h=314

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSovMvuG3_Q_qB-XsJGG6Dbl1mRFtwDKzZIFujkaaNfifOyltQl1A

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3295/3036021190_bde7e22462_z.jpg

http://torinelson.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/god-hates-bacon1.jpg

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap

[Burgold]

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap

I view those signs more as mocking man than God. After all, it's really mocking the behavior and strategies of the hateful.

[Jumbo]

Breaking my habit, but joining in an ES tradition, I will reply after reading only the thread title.

10. Justin Bieber
9. The View
8. Right wing fundamentalists
7. Militant liberal atheists
6. "Reality TV"
5. They still haven't brought back Firefly. Fillion can have two shows at the same time.
4. Finding out Green Lantern is gay.
3. 3D Movies
2. Most rap and hip-hop since 1989

And the 1. thing God hates....no longer sure which church to attend is the lesser of evils.




:D:evilg::ols:

("Yes...Lower Level Desk? Start eternal fire #6,742 for Jumbo, please.")

[elkabong82]

by "God hates" they mean "I hate," and are simply displaying their superiority/inferiority complex, whichever applies

[JMS]

4. Finding out Green Lantern is gay.


What!!! When did that happen? If that were true wouldn't he have picked a different primary color for his lantern?

[Spaceman Spiff]

God hates the Eagles.

[Jumbo]

What!!! When did that happen? If that were true wouldn't he have picked a different primary color for his lantern?

Hard to believe Daffodil Yellow would be his "weakness color."

( I keep telling you guys about the politically incorrect element of my many-sided sense of humor)

[Koolblue13]

http://lat.ms/LVjlPp

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205277_393735547350470_1209404941_n.jpg

I'm gonna go ahead and guess god really does hate this.

[Burgold]

( I keep telling you guys about the politically incorrect element of my many-sided sense of humor)

I always did picture you as a Mac guy versus a Windows (PC) kind of guy. :silly:

[Kosher Ham]

I always did picture you as a Mac guy versus a Windows (PC) kind of guy. :silly:

Geez J., God hates Apple's. Haven't you heard ? :ols:

The hate thing to me, is/has been going on for a long time and it is sad that people use it as an excuse to judge and hate. Pathetic really.

[Jumbo]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/whoopi.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/roseanne.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/anncoulter.jpg

Only one of these two---guess which one
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/KanyeSwift.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/amchopper.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/JesseJames.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/kardashians.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/keith-olbermann-fired.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/jumboskins/savage2.jpg

[ArmchairRedskin]

"God hates facts" :ols:

[Jumbo]

These guys.....:effinpolitics:

[RansomthePasserby]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/pikimal-images/datas/298020.best/original/dallas_cowboys.jpg?1291240113

[Yusuf06]

Fun. But more than anything, God hates tolerance...and the ghey. He really hates the ghey. Well, according to some folks anyway.


But, those who only say talk about the things God hates are more like the bitter and angry Jonah who went begrudgingly to Nineveh and when there screamed how awful the people were and how they were all gonna get it soon. They like Jonah are only telling half the story, and unlike Jonah who knew that God is gracious and merciful many of them today seem to think that the justice of God is the whole story and how sad is that?
Who knew Jonah's surname was Cartman?


When I was studying for my Bar Mitzvah, I remember being told that in the Torah there are 360 rules that God expects you to obey and follow every day in order to be a good person. Then, my teacher took a breath and said, God knows no one can achieve them all every single day, but he wants you to try to be your best.

In some ways, that's my core religious belief. Be as good as you can be and try.
That makes two of us except I prefer to phrase it "Don't be a 'Richard' "


http://lat.ms/LVjlPp

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205277_393735547350470_1209404941_n.jpg

I'm gonna go ahead and guess god really does hate this.
So God hates jobs and SUVs? Looks like God is a Godless Commie!

[HeluCopter29]

God hates no one. But those who usually say "God hates fags" also hate socialism.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/306559_229681113821798_2132327124_n.jpg

[Corcaigh]

Only one of these two---guess which one

<image of Kanye and Taylor Swift>



God hates Black people? I thought it was just GWB.

[Burgold]

God hates Black people? I thought it was just GWB.

Hey, for a time Republicans couldn't differentiate between the two.

[10fttall]

God does hate a number of things, but people that wave signs about it are usually short sighted fools.

First, there are some distinctions to be made. You can't just approach a topic as big as God and use some generalized stereotypical flippant crap view- from either side.
There are things that God hates. We do not have to guess what they are, the Bible is pretty clear about it. We as humans do not have to BE God to say what he hates, because of the simple fact that we can read.

There are things that God used to forbid the people of Israel to do. Some of these things were to "set them apart from other nations," and give them a system of beliefs and corresponding actions that would make it evident whether they were truely trying to follow God or not. Some of the restrictions, especially the interpersonal ones, were given in the Law because God, being the designer, knows what is ideal for Humans to get along and thrive as He intended. You'll find a lot of those type of instructions repeated in the New Testament. So, all the things in the Law are not necessarily things that God "hates."

When Christ came, he fulfilled the law, and established a new covenant. Restrictions were lifted and a new set of guidelines was passed down first in the teachings of Jesus, then by the apostles. So, even the 10 commandments have been superseded by the new covenant. (Who was the last Christian you know who Kept the Sabbath?) All the principles of loving God, loving others, gathering together regularly with other believers, and evangelizing are given as instruction AGAIN in the New Testament.

There needs to be a clear distinction between WHAT God hates and WHO God hates. God LOVES people. He wants people to love him. Purposefully disobeying his guidelines for life is immature and ungrateful for those who claim to trust in Jesus as savior. Of course it happens, but God does not then hate the individual. He hates the sin and is saddened for the individual, because that sin is a rejection of his teachings, however small. So yes God hates murder and adultry and lying. But there is no need to go around with big signs or pick out a certain group of people. That goes contrary to the underlying love of God and makes it appear that the people themselves are hated. Also, it is hypocritical because I'm sure those sign carriers are guilty of something too. Would they want a big group carrying signs outside their house saying "God hates liars," or "God hates envy?"

There is another side as well. The easy offense taken to ANYTHING. "Hate" is thrown around frivolously. People are offended at the drop of a hat, and often, they drop the hat. If someone is against abortion, they do NOT "hate women." If someone is against gay marriage, they do not "hate homosexuals." It's ludicrous. There are a lot of things that my kids, wife, parents, and friends do that I object to. There are a lot of things I wish they would either stop doing or begin doing. That doesn't mean I hate them. But when we get to a large scale, if I object to something that someone else wants to do, suddenly I am seen as "hating" that person. It is nonsense.

[Jumbo]

And the Unqualified Instructional Pontificator Award for the best comically egotistical, superfluous, and cognitively hampered performance in the Taking Yourself Super-Serial category goes to...

[styx491]

And the Unqualified Instructional Pontificator Award for the best comically egotistical, superfluous, and cognitively hampered performance in the Taking Yourself Super-Serial category goes to...

:ols::ols:

[Corcaigh]

And the Unqualified Instructional Pontificator Award for the best comically egotistical, superfluous, and cognitively hampered performance in the Taking Yourself Super-Serial category goes to...

I read it a little differently, given that he finished with the punchline,


It is nonsense.

[Jumbo]

I read it a little differently, given that he finished with the punchline,


.... subconscious self-reflection?

[Corcaigh]

.... subconscious self-reflection?

Or a hint to a degree of sarcasm that merits anointing the author as a modern day Jonathan Swift.

[mistertim]

So "Hate the game, not the player" was actually divinely inspired?

[Jumbo]

Or a hint to a degree of sarcasm that merits anointing the author as a modern day Jonathan Swift.

That's one of my favorite things about you. Mr. Positive. :)

[Corcaigh]

That's one of my favorite things about you. Mr. Positive. :)

Here is the actual standard disclaimer used by my daughter before she would introduce a boyfriend to her parents.

"My mom will like you, She likes everyone.

My dad will hate you. He hates everyone."

[10fttall]

And the Unqualified Instructional Pontificator Award for the best comically egotistical, superfluous, and cognitively hampered performance in the Taking Yourself Super-Serial category goes to...

Thank you all for your well-reasoned responses, providing flaws and errors in my opinion, as well as presenting alternative views....Oh wait never mind.

[Jumbo]

Thank you all for your well-reasoned responses, providing flaws and errors in my opinion, as well as presenting alternative views....Oh wait never mind.

:ols:

Sometimes we just have fun and play with a little contact. :D

But keep the "I Take Myself Super-Serial" shtick coming. It can be fairly harmless fun and you wear it well. And allow me to celebrate a couple of my favorite past gems of yours, Chief High-On-Horse. :pfft:

It's such a testimonial to your undying love of "well-reasoned responses, providing flaws and errors in <edit> opinion, as well as presenting alternative views" type posts. :evilg:


Aside from a few random rednecks right after 9/11, Muslims have been
overprotected if anything. Anyone with half a brain knows that you can't look
cross-eyed at a Muslim without suffering the wrath of stupid civil rights groups
and risking worldwide riots. This is in stark contrast to conservative
Christians who can seemingly be mocked anytime anywhere. Just
saying.


Why do you hate poor people? I assume you are aware of how many people in this country pay no income tax, but get thousands from the IRS every spring for a mountain of various "credits?" Your selfish mean-spirited idea would deny millions the chance to get a bigger flat screen TV, newer smartphone, or the latest pair of Jordans; inbetween their food stamp issues.


:ols:

[pjfootballer]

Me. Plain and simple. How else do you explain how ****** my life is? If he does indeed exist, he sure has a ****** up way of showing it.

[Corcaigh]

Me. Plain and simple. How else do you explain how ****** my life is? If he does indeed exist, he sure has a ****** up way of showing it.

I had a conversation with God some time ago. We agreed to disagree on a whole range of issues, and parted friends. Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam, and I'm OK with it.

[alexey]

God hates not being able to experience emotions because she lacks a limbic system :pfft:

[Jumbo]

It's Hump Day and I'm feeling feisty.

For my first trick, I give you The Christian Version of God's Plan as some folks on the receiving end see/hear it, and as divinely interpreted by me. :pfft:

But I'm not putting it in the Book of Jumbo due to legalities---dudes have some serious leagle eagles on their side. :paranoid:
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"I've set up all existence in a fashion so that if, for whatever reason, you can't come to accept me and all the stuff my Christians tell you (it's all right there in the Bible ya know) that you must accept, you will experience a form of eternal suffering that's a truly Supreme and Endless Bummer no matter how "well" or "moral" you live your life in actual behavior. ;)

But remember it will only be because of your choice to not buy into the Whole Program. And yeah, it's true that you can be the most evil dip**** there is for your whole life, doing incalculable damage to your fellows, but as long as you do the proper procedure and sign-on for the Program before you kick it, it's all good--call it a Godly Golden Parachute. Yes. I did set it all up this way, and it's not open to negotiation, but it's still considered all on you. Cool huh? :cool:

See, above all I am a loving, caring, Supreme Being who has been forever and will never end :knny:, and if the cognitive dissonance that my official record causes some of ya'all keeps sticking in your feeble human head, understand that being Supreme I am much more advanced than humans can understand. :nana:

And that explains away everything that at face value may seem so obviously nonsensical, illogical, ridiculous, twisted, dysfunctional (even murderous) to so many wonderful, intelligent, caring, helpful, decent, and sane folk. Or, as some of my followers see them at times: "those clueless man-celebrating whiners." So use the "mysterious ways" Godly Golden Parachute (you're welcome) to bail out on your silly troubling questions before you screw it up for good. "Just believe" dammit! :mad:

And if a lot of what you see or hear in this regard doesn't make sense to you at even your most core levels, no matter how hard you try to open yourself to it, I suggest you just ride with it anyway. Find a way to believe or you'll be damn sorry, trust me. Get on the damn wagon. But make sure it's the right wagon---starts with a capital C and rhymes with "thristian." :D

If you on the wrong wagon, you're just as screwed. If it doesn't say "Christ" somewhere in the pamphlet, keep walking. That's why there's only One True Church in C Land. Well, ok, there's some tiny little differences among believers and that's why there are actually scores of denominations even in C Land, but it means nothing. It's still all about unity for those who believe. Honest. Better?" :yes:
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So, given the way I see many of his followers convey the message (and it's all in the bible so they're on both solid and holy ground) I think of those old jokes on themes of "God really hates some of his followers" or "I like Jesus, it's just some of his followers I can't stand." :pfft:

I'm going with...."God hates the way his message is often carried." :evilg:


...and there's yet another eternal fire started for moi....sigh...


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