Bus Driver Punches Girl in Cleveland, Ohio

[MLSKINS]

I hate World Star Hip-Hop, it is the worst website on the internet IMO......

NSFW Language in the video. Check your speaker volume


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-g0mmzVc0


Yes, the little girl(yes little girl she is not a woman no matter how much she thinks she is) was running her mouth. Talking all types of stuff to the bus driver. SHE EVEN HIT HIM FIRST!!!!

However, there is no way I can justify the bus driver retaliating the way he did. The dude hit her with one of them Mortal Kombat uppercuts and then chokes her and beats here some more. As a man, I can not tolerate that. He should have pulled the bus over and refused to drive until she got off. He has the right to do that. But he took the low road, argued with her and hit her.

This really hurts me man, it is two things that I don't like being combined into one nightmare. Rowdy kids on public transit and a man hitting a woman. :doh:

Both individuals needs to be punished, but the man should get punished more just because he is A MAN!!! and he was the adult. Yes I understand she did deserve it, but you gotta think before you act.

God please help us :(

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

There's a man soon to be without a job. (And probably a Police charge.).

There's a girl destined to face many more confrontations like that with her disgraceful attitude.

Nothing else to add on top of what MLS has already said for me.

Despicable behavior every which way.

Hail.

[Dan T.]

"You want to be a man, Ima treat you like a man."

[DeaconTheVillain]

Shoryuken!

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

1. My WSHH Response: "DAMMMNNNN.NNNNNNNN!....HADOUKEN!" lol

2. My PC Response: "That's unfortunate...he did not have to break her face like that"

[SteveFromYellowstone]

You know what, she deserved it. Women shouldn't be able to run around and hit men and say whatever they want and not expect to get hit back.

[Dan T.]

It's too bad that after he threw her and her coat off the bus he didn't shut the door in time.

[ixcuincle]

It's too bad he'll be fired for doing the right thing. It's too bad that people will complain because he hit a girl, even though the girl was asking for it. He even said, "You wanna be a man, Imma treat you like a man."

It's a real shame what our society is deteriorating into. I said this before when the school bus monitor got bullied, that stuff never happened when I was in grade school. We wouldn't even think of bullying an adult. Nowadays the kids have the audacity to talk back to a bus driver, because those elitist punks think they're always right. You're not. Shut the **** up, sit down, and ride the bus like everyone else

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Aw come on ixcuincle man.

No question the girl was a complete disgrace and needs serious consequences to come her way. But therer's NO way you can spin that to justify the bus driver hitting a passenger. Let alone a female passenger. When he's a male. Whatever the provocation, you CAN'T justify that.

Or if you do/ try to; your little better than those your slamming.

Hail.

[MLSKINS]

Shoryuken!

I can't lie, that is like the first thing I thought of after seeing it the second time.

Yes, a woman shouldn't hit a man, but I still think as men, we need to let cooler heads prevail and walk away.

However, this situation is a little different. This is a Grown man, hitting a rude and probably ungrateful little girl. She deserved what she got, but come on :doh:

[ixcuincle]

Aw come on ixcuincle man.

No question the girl was a complete disgrace and needs serious consequences to come her way. But therer's NO way you can spin that to justify the bus driver hitting a passenger. Let alone a female passenger. When he's a male. Whatever the provocation, you CAN'T justify that.

Or if you do/ try to; your little better than those your slamming.

Hail.

You heard what the driver said? The woman was acting like a clown. She deserved what was coming to her.

[Thiebear]

This topic will be more telling about the posters than the article.

[Dan T.]

This person struck the bus driver while he was sitting in his seat, trying to do his job. Once that woman's fist landed on the side of his head, all bets are off. And once she shows she's willing to commit a violent assault, her gender becomes irrelevant.

MLSKINS, I would have admired the bus driver had he immediately stopped the bus and called police. That would have shown amazing self-control. But I can't fault him either for protecting himself from a person who has already assaulted him.

[twa]

Consequences of your actions, sometimes everyone loses


Shoryuken! :ols:

I don't condone hitting females even when they need it,I'm a chauvinist

[ixcuincle]

Exactly, credit for the bus driver to fight back. And of course, since we live in a politically correct society, the bus driver will be penalized and/or fired, and people will complain "It's not okay to hit a woman, be a man!"

Under those situations he was under, the reaction was warranted

People need to learn to shut up and let the bus driver drive the damn bus

[No Excuses]

I've seen this happen twice on the DC Metro bus system and both times the bus drivers just sat there and took abuse from piece of **** customers.

I don't know what led to this but putting your hands on another person and showing violent aggression isn't a good idea when they outmatch you physically.

[Dan T.]

Driver: Can I hit a person who punches me in the head?
Answer: Shoryuken!

[LadySkinsFan]

You know what, she deserved it. Women shouldn't be able to run around and hit men and say whatever they want and not expect to get hit back.

Yeah, because one hit deserves another, right? I mean, that girl made him lose it, man, it's all her fault! Women shouldn't hit men and not expect to get ten times the beat down, right? Yeah, she got what she deserved alright!

[Smoot4Prez]

If a woman hits me with an open fist with intent to injure she gets a temporary man card.

I don't hit ladies. Striking a man in the face with a closed fist revokes your lady rights.

[ixcuincle]

Listen

I have a history of defending women and I''ll say women get mistreated a lot in terms of the workplace and their salaries compared to men.

I often stand up for women and equal rights and say they should be just as qualified as anyone else to do sports play by play, or any damn job in the world, including CEO and high-profile business careers

However, I can't stick up for the woman this time. She was asking for it! Don't be disruptive, that simple.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I don't believe what I'm reading here.

'She deserved what was coming to her/ Once the womans fist landed on the side of his head, all bets are off' etc.

Aside from the fact he's a freaking bus driver doing a public service, and should never of gotten into a verbal argument with a passenger whatever the provocation to start with; he flat out punched and then dragged off his bus a member of the public. And a female no less. Compounded further that he's supposedly the adult and she the child. You can't justify one wrong with another to make a right. Just because the girl was acting like a low life doesn't give the adult, the bus driver, cart blanche to retaliate.

Seriously, is anyone thinking on the side of human decency here before they attempt to justify this?

Hail.

[Koolblue13]

It's too bad he'll be fired for doing the right thing. It's too bad that people will complain because he hit a girl, even though the girl was asking for it. He even said, "You wanna be a man, Imma treat you like a man."

It's a real shame what our society is deteriorating into. I said this before when the school bus monitor got bullied, that stuff never happened when I was in grade school. We wouldn't even think of bullying an adult. Nowadays the kids have the audacity to talk back to a bus driver, because those elitist punks think they're always right. You're not. Shut the **** up, sit down, and ride the bus like everyone else

Our society has deteriorated into a place where large men aren't allowed to haul off and knock little girls the **** out? Is my sarcasm meter off? I mean, he could have just stopped and waited for a cop or drug her by the arm off the bus or something, but he got up and throttled that girl. 15 year old girl vs grown man.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Yeah, because one hit deserves another, right? I mean, that girl made him lose it, man, it's all her fault! Women shouldn't hit men and not expect to get ten times the beat down, right? Yeah, she got what she deserved alright!

Seriously LSF. Aside from anything else, how hard is this to comprehend?

Topics like this sure are an insight into the true nature of people.

Hail.

[ixcuincle]

Our society has deteriorated into a place where large men aren't allowed to haul off and knock little girls the **** out? Is my sarcasm meter off? I mean, he could have just stopped and waited for a cop or drug her by the arm off the bus or something, but he got up and throttled that girl. 15 year old girl vs grown man.

Maybe she shouldn't have assaulted him, then.

[Unforgiven]

Oh man, so many things wrong with that video.

She doesn't act like a lady (and shouldn't expect to be treated like one) and if she was actively attacking him I wouldn't blame him, but she she hit him she had backed up a bit and he got up out his seat and came at her.

He wasn't defending himself, he was getting even with her like she was a man so I have to put him in the wrong.

[LadySkinsFan]

I want to thank the men on this thread who stand up for decency and doing the right thing.

The rest of you who think that any person has the right to beat down another person, especially one younger than themselves, needs to grow up and evolve. That attitude is very juvenile.

This violent attitude is one of the reasons why wars are started/fought. The other is believing that one has the right to take something that doesn't belong to them by force. Oh, and that religious intolerance thing, that is also a cause of war or at least an excuse to start/fight one.

And WTF is "acting like a lady" except code for sitting there quietly, keeping her legs close together while wearing a nice skirt, and all those other demure things?

There is a code for acting correctly in public that applies to everyone, not just females. She violated the code. The bus driver must have received training on how to handle such a situation, why didn't he do as trained, whatever that was? I'm sure it wasn't to beat, choke and throw a paying passenger off of his bus.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Isn't that we are all taught?

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Yeah, because one hit deserves another, right? I mean, that girl made him lose it, man, it's all her fault! Women shouldn't hit men and not expect to get ten times the beat down, right? Yeah, she got what she deserved alright!

The bus driver was sitting in his seat doing his job. This woman was verbally berating him and punched him in the head and would not leave him alone. He defended himself. I don't know why you have to try to turn this into an anti-women tirade. I never said it's okay to hit a woman just because you're angry. I say that you have a right to defend yourself from a violent assault, no matter what the gender.

So you think it's okay for her to violently assault him and and refuse to leave him alone? Or do you think women shouldn't ever be hit? If it was a boy that got hit, would that be okay? Don't reply to my post mocking me and making it seem like I'm the bigot.

[Major Harris]

i've never seen a quiet ***** get choked.

[Koolblue13]

Maybe she shouldn't have assaulted him, then.

You're right she shouldn't have. So what? More violence is not the answer. Hitting somebody is the last thing you should ever do. Hitting a 15 year old girl, definitely the last thing you should do.

Guy should have gotten off the bus and waited for a cop. He slowly got up, walked to her and then jacked her the **** up. Lifted her off her feet with that punch.

If you think that was the right thing to do, that's ****ing sad.

I'd say the lack of compassion in our society is a problem, not the illegal nature of being able to throttle little girls.

[boysetsfire]

He shouldn't have hit her. No matter what she was doing or how much of a clown she was acting, you just can't hit a girl/women like that. Just can't. Those are the rules man. That being said, the lack of respect teenagers (boys and girls) have now is ridiculous. Maybe I'm just getting old and notice it more now but I don't ever remember talking back to adults the way these kids do now. There was always a level of respect that was there but that doesn't exist now.

[MLSKINS]

15 year old girl vs grown man.
Like I said, if it was a woman, I would have a little more understanding, but this is a girl.

I am not taking up for her, she deserved it. What I am doing is letting people know that the driver picked the worst way to handle it....

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

The bus driver was sitting in his seat doing his job. This woman was verbally berating him and punched him in the head and would not leave him alone. He defended himself. I don't know why you have to try to turn this into an anti-women tirade. I never said it's okay to hit a woman just because you're angry. I say that you have a right to defend yourself from a violent assault, no matter what the gender.

So you think it's okay for her to violently assault him and and refuse to leave him alone? Or do you think women shouldn't ever be hit? If it was a boy that got hit, would that be okay? Don't reply to my post mocking me and making it seem like I'm the bigot.

She didn't have to make it seem like anything Steve. You've done a darn fine job of that again all be your lonesome.

Nobody's condoning the girl one bit. And no, it wouldn't be OK for a darn public servant to retaliate with violence against anyone shy of him being in danger. But he wasn't, which also makes a complete mockery of the 'right to defend yourself' line. He got up, came after her, and punched not only a female, but a child when he was the adult. Then proceeded to drag her off his bus.

If you can't see what's inherently wrong with that, regardless of the provocation leading upto; then I seriously feel sorry for your view on life.

Hail.

[spjunkies]

She got hers...

I can't stand these annoying brats that don't have respect for anyone.

[Dictator]

She got was she deserved.
$ to donuts she thought he wouldn't touch her because she was a girl.

I guess women are equal...until they don't want to be in certain circumstances.

[Dan T.]

A little girl? Little girls don't punch bus drivers in the head.

[LadySkinsFan]

The bus driver was sitting in his seat doing his job. This woman was verbally berating him and punched him in the head and would not leave him alone. He defended himself. I don't know why you have to try to turn this into an anti-women tirade. I never said it's okay to hit a woman just because you're angry. I say that you have a right to defend yourself from a violent assault, no matter what the gender.

So you think it's okay for her to violently assault him and and refuse to leave him alone? Or do you think women shouldn't ever be hit? If it was a boy that got hit, would that be okay? Don't reply to my post mocking me and making it seem like I'm the bigot.

I don't have to make you seem like a bigot. You are doing fine all by yourself with your own words.

[twa]

You're right she shouldn't have. So what? More violence is not the answer. Hitting somebody is the last thing you should ever do..

I'll disagree here, I'm a fan of disproportionate response on the right target....just not on a female
in such cases using the minimum force needed is in your best interests

[SteveFromYellowstone]

You're right she shouldn't have. So what? More violence is not the answer. Hitting somebody is the last thing you should ever do. Hitting a 15 year old girl, definitely the last thing you should do.

Guy should have gotten off the bus and waited for a cop. He slowly got up, walked to her and then jacked her the **** up. Lifted her off her feet with that punch.

If you think that was the right thing to do, that's ****ing sad.

I'd say the lack of compassion in our society is a problem, not the illegal nature of being able to throttle little girls.

There is a problem with lack of compassion in this country, but forgive me for not having compassion for someone who punches a bus driver in the face and then gets hit back. You know what, maybe I could see your point if it was an 8 year old, but I know plenty of girls her age that grew up in a rough area and can kick a dudes ass. She tried to violently assault him and he defended himself. She isn't some little helpless being, she knew what she was doing.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

I don't have to make you seem like a bigot. You are doing fine all by yourself with your own words.

So I'm a bigot now am I? Could you please explain that? You shouldn't throw around that word so lightly. I've seen people banned for less

[ixcuincle]

She's a girl. She can't be violent at all. We have to be respectful because she's a girl, and girls can't fight! Can't lay a hand on them at all!

[Destino]

Both individuals needs to be punished, but the man should get punished more just because he is A MAN!!! and he was the adult. Yes I understand she did deserve it, but you gotta think before you act.

Before anything else I can't disagree more with the notion of punishing a male more strongly because "he is a man". Laws are should be applied equally.

I think he reacted too violently but I am not sure that I'd agree with him facing any sort of legal punishment unless he started the entire incident. I'd rather not have the law second guessing the reaction of assault victims outside of extremely special circumstances, like shooting a person that had attacked you in the back as they ran away. She clearly attacks him and he loses his cool, hits her and then attempts to throw her off the bus. It's easy to say he should have done x and not y having not just been attacked by someone.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Like I said, if it was a woman, I would have a little more understanding, but this is a girl.

I am not taking up for her, she deserved it. What I am doing is letting people know that the driver picked the worst way to handle it....

are we 100% sure she is 15...let alone a minor?

Has that been confirmed?

[Ellis]

That behavior between the two of them doesn't surprise me in the least....

And everyone on the bus had no problems being entertained by her tired act of disrespect towards the bus driver. Even the girl hitting him. But as soon as he's been pushed past his limits and he retaliates, "oh you can't do that! she's a girl!!!"

I hope both of em go to jail. Losers.

[MLSKINS]

A little girl? Little girls don't punch bus drivers in the head.

Yeah they do, they are little girls.

What I forgot to mention is that she did put innocent lives in danger because I think she hit him while he was driving. You could see the bus swerve a little. But after she hit him the dude walked up to her and upped her. Then threw her off the bus. She got back on and he choked her out...... HE CHOKED HER OUT!!! Come on man, none of that. None of that......

[LadySkinsFan]

So I'm a bigot now am I? Could you please explain that? You shouldn't throw around that word so lightly. I've seen people banned for less

I'm sure I'll get a PM from one of the mods if my post was over the line.

[Koolblue13]

There is a problem with lack of compassion in this country, but forgive me for not having compassion for someone who punches a bus driver in the face and then gets hit back. You know what, maybe I could see your point if it was an 8 year old, but I know plenty of girls her age that grew up in a rough area and can kick a dudes ass. She tried to violently assault him and he defended himself. She isn't some little helpless being, she knew what she was doing.

Defended himself? He got up, turned and walked to her, before winding up and jacking her. There was no defense.

He should have stopped the bus, called a cop and walked outside.

I'd like to know what the bus company policy is on this.

If you can't walk away from a fight, even after being punched, there is something wrong with you and your sense of pride.

[BlueinBuf]

Yeah they do, they are little girls.

What I forgot to mention is that she did put innocent lives in danger because I think she hit him while he was driving. You could see the bus swerve a little. But after she hit him the dude walked up to her and upped her. Then threw her off the bus. She got back on and he choked her out...... HE CHOKED HER OUT!!! Come on man, none of that. None of that......

Im surprised it took someone this long to mention this, she put that entire bus in danger. What if he had crashed and hurt/killed another driver or pedestrian or the other people on the bus.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

This won't have any effect on anyone. Why should it, I'm only a faceless poster on an internet message board who's chances are will never meet the vast majority of you. If any at all.

But FWIW, I'm as utterly disgusted by some of the POV being expressed here as I am about either of the protagonists in the OP video.

This certainly is an eye opener to how people really think.

Hail.

[MLSKINS]

Before anything else I can't disagree more with the notion of punishing a male more strongly because "he is a man". Laws are should be applied equally.

I think he reacted too violently but I am not sure that I'd agree with him facing any sort of legal punishment unless he started the entire incident. I'd rather not have the law second guessing the reaction of assault victims outside of extremely special circumstances, like shooting a person that had attacked you in the back as they ran away. She clearly attacks him and he loses his cool, hits her and then attempts to throw her off the bus. It's easy to say he should have done x and not y having not just been attacked by someone.
I am not saying he should go to jail. I just wouldn't be mad if they suspended him for a month or two w/pay. And the little girl should be put on a lifetime ban from riding public transit.

It's not that he was a man, but he is an adult. I been on the train when them little bammas were disrespectful to me and other people. One even pushed my head from the back. I am 6' 6" and I like to eat ;) How would I look punching on a 15 year old girl? :ols: Come on y'all


are we 100% sure she is 15...let alone a minor?

Has that been confirmed?
Yeah, heard it on an Ohio news station. Besides, I can tell by her demeanor that she wasn't older.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

People are acting like this was some 15 year old little girl when they don't even know her age. Like I said, this isn't some little daisy who can't defend herself, and this girl is older than 15 I guarantee you. I know plenty of girls her age from the city that fight guys all the time. She knew what she was doing and she punched him in the head. You are calling me a bigot for saying that a girl what she deserved because she hit a bus driver. I don't care if the bus driver was a woman a man a tranny or whatever, that woman violently assaulted him and he responded in the heat of the moment. Am I saying his reaction was perfect? No way, if it was me I would have pushed her away, stopped the bus and called the cops. I don't see how any of what I'm saying is bigoted. You turn everything into a womens issue.

[LadySkinsFan]

I am not saying he should go to jail. I just wouldn't be mad if they suspended him for a month or two w/pay. And the little girl should be put on a lifetime ban from riding public transit.

It's not that he was a man, but he is an adult. I been on the train when them little bammas were disrespectful to me and other people. One even pushed my head from the back. I am 6' 6" and I like to eat ;) How would I look punching on a 15 year old girl? :ols: Come on y'all


Yeah, heard it on an Ohio news station. Besides, I can tell by her demeanor that she wasn't older.

Gee, he gets a month or two and she gets life? Where is that balanced?

[MLSKINS]

This won't have any effect on anyone. Why should it, I'm only a faceless poster on an internet message board who's chances are will never meet the vast majority of you. If any at all.

But FWIW, I'm as utterly disgusted by some of the POV being expressed here as I am about either of the protagonists in the OP video.

This certainly is an eye opener to how people really think.

Hail.
I wouldn't even go that far though GHH. There are too many variables in this situation to be truly disgusted by what people are saying. It's more of a this unruly chick was talking mad trash and she got what she deserved, no matter who did the punishing. I understand that.

But I am old school. You don't put your hands on a woman... let alone a girl. Yeah she acted like a man, but a REAL MAN would have handled the situation better.

[NAZology]

This was clearly handled poorly. Regardless of everything, this was probably the best uppercut I have ever seen. I think we can all agree on that.

[HOF44]

I don't condone it, but I understand it.

[MLSKINS]

Gee, he gets a month or two and she gets life? Where is that balanced?
Did she not start this whole situation?

The dude was attacked first
She put lives in danger

Okay, maybe a lifetime ban is too harsh. Let's say 2 years.

[KDawg]

The rest of you who think that any person has the right to beat down another person, especially one younger than themselves, needs to grow up and evolve. That attitude is very juvenile.

Does this also apply to the female?

I don't believe he should have hit her. But once you haul off and hit a bus driver in the face you're endangering yourself and others around you. I don't agree that because she hit him and backed up she would be off limits. He should have gotten up and kicked her off the bus. Without the punch.

But no one should punch someone else and expect there to be no reciprocation of some kind. It's part of why our society is crumbling.

But again... there is NO way he should have decked her like that.


And WTF is "acting like a lady" except code for sitting there quietly, keeping her legs close together while wearing a nice skirt, and all those other demure things?

While I actually agree with you here, doesn't that also mean that if she hits someone she should be subject to the same consequence as anyone else would?

Basically, if this were a 15 year old boy striking the bus driver, does that make the whole thing okay? I'd say no. On both accounts. But I have a feeling, and it really is just a feeling, that some here would think it was okay, because the boy is more of a "physical threat".

Don't put your hands on others. If you do, expect something in return.

That said, what the bus driver did was EXCESSIVE. One punch does not equate to a total beat down.


There is a code for acting correctly in public that applies to everyone, not just females. She violated the code. The bus driver must have received training on how to handle such a situation, why didn't he do as trained, whatever that was? I'm sure it wasn't to beat, choke and throw a paying passenger off of his bus.

I agree here. Almost 100%. Except one part. The paying passenger part. Once she struck him, she loses the right to that claim. She violated terms of use, I'm sure.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Isn't that we are all taught?

Yes, but some people abuse that because they know people can't retort.

[Dan T.]

Gee, he gets a month or two and she gets life? Where is that balanced?

It's balanced in that one person endangered the lives of a busload of riders, and the other didn't.

[StillUnknown]

A lot of ignorance displayed by both sides.

Outside of your life being in imminent danger, I can't justify putting hands on a woman under any circumstances.

Taking it to the level that he did was entirely unnecessary, there were other methods to resolving that situation.

If that girl doesn't switch up her attitude, something much worse than what happened in that video is probably in her future.

[Smoot4Prez]

It's really easy to say he should have walked away and called the cops sitting at a computer desk on a Redskins forum.

Your thinking isn't the same when you're in an altercation with someone and they are physically striking you in the head.

It's not as simple as people are making it out to be to just walk away from someone attacking you.

[twa]

She got back on and he choked her out...... HE CHOKED HER OUT!!! Come on man, none of that. None of that......

I have less objections to choking her, it is a control measure whereas the punch is less so.

better to avoid both though

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I wouldn't even go that far though GHH. There are too many variables in this situation to be truly disgusted by what people are saying. It's more of a this unruly chick was talking mad trash and she got what she deserved, no matter who did the punishing. I understand that.

But I am old school. You don't put your hands on a woman... let alone a girl. Yeah she acted like a man, but a REAL MAN would have handled the situation better.

She didn't get what she deserved. The driver didn't deserve to be assaulted by her. She sure as heck didn't deserve to be assaulted by him.

Getting 'what she deserved' would of been for him to ask her to leave his bus before he even got into a verbal altercation with her. And if she refused, then calling the cops/ bus company whomever for assistance to remove her. But a pre-meditated (please can the next bonehead spare me the self defense B/S) action of taking time to tell her what he's gona' do and then getting up, following her down the bus and punching, dragging and then choking her (made worse by the fact she's a child and he's a grown man, aside from the female factor. Or the fact that he's a public servant) is NOT getting what she deserves.

It's black and white here. I don't see how anyone can try justify it as not on the basis of two wrongs making a right. She did, so he had the right to do back.

How is this so hard for people to comprehend?

Hail.

[Forehead]

Folks, let's not forget, this occurred in Cleveland. Cleveland...a disgusting place which no one of right mind should ever set foot. My points are as follows:

1. I'm not surprised by any of this.
2. It would sadden me if anything that happened in Cleveland resulted in an extended board argument between Skins fans, temp bans, anything. Nothing that happens in Cleveland is worth it.
3. I haven't seen the video, it's blocked at work, but from the descriptions, it sounds like the uppercut was over the line. I have no problems with him grabbing her and physically removing her from the bus, but the punch I'd have a hard time condoning.

And yes, for those wondering, I have been to Cleveland, had family there, had an uncle who was a city police sergeant for 20+ years. Never go there.

[DeaconTheVillain]

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[Destino]

I am not saying he should go to jail. I just wouldn't be mad if they suspended him for a month or two w/pay. And the little girl should be put on a lifetime ban from riding public transit.

It's not that he was a man, but he is an adult. I been on the train when them little bammas were disrespectful to me and other people. One even pushed my head from the back. I am 6' 6" and I like to eat ;) How would I look punching on a 15 year old girl? :ols: Come on y'all
I was operating under the assumption that he would be fired. Legally justifiable or not this is a PR nightmare and I'm sure that he didn't act as his employers would have preferred, especially PRIOR to the girl assaulting him.

[MLSKINS]

It's really easy to say he should have walked away and called the cops sitting at a computer desk on a Redskins forum.

Your thinking isn't the same when you're in an altercation with someone and they are physically striking you in the head.

It's not as simple as people are making it out to be to just walk away from someone attacking you.
I just said I was in a simlar situation on the train. Except it was a boy. I could have destroyed him, but how would that make me look.

Unless you take public transportation a lot, you just don't know how much restraint you have to have just to get through one day with these little punks. I want to layeth the smacketh down on these little rugrats. But I can't. Unless I am in serious danger, I keep calm.

Dude was in danger, but she stopped hitting him. He got up and caught her with that shoryuken. I can't defend him after that.

[Dan T.]

Folks, let's not forget, this occurred in Cleveland. Cleveland...a disgusting place which no one of right mind should ever set foot. My points are as follows:

1. I'm not surprised by any of this.
2. It would sadden me if anything that happened in Cleveland resulted in an extended board argument between Skins fans, temp bans, anything. Nothing that happens in Cleveland is worth it.
3. I haven't seen the video, it's blocked at work, but from the descriptions, it sounds like the uppercut was over the line. I have no problems with him grabbing her and physically removing her from the bus, but the punch I'd have a hard time condoning.

And yes, for those wondering, I have been to Cleveland, had family there, had an uncle who was a city police sergeant for 20+ years. Never go there.

Oh, so now you're going to slander an entire city? I know people in Cleveland. Like any city, it has its good points and its bad. Despite the tough times, there's a lot of good things about that town.

In fact, I should punch you in the chin for that post, choke you out, and then throw you off this board.













[In case anyone is wondering, that first part is written in earnest. The second, not so much.]

[Hersh]

Folks, let's not forget, this occurred in Cleveland. Cleveland...a disgusting place which no one of right mind should ever set foot. My points are as follows:

1. I'm not surprised by any of this.
2. It would sadden me if anything that happened in Cleveland resulted in an extended board argument between Skins fans, temp bans, anything. Nothing that happens in Cleveland is worth it.
3. I haven't seen the video, it's blocked at work, but from the descriptions, it sounds like the uppercut was over the line. I have no problems with him grabbing her and physically removing her from the bus, but the punch I'd have a hard time condoning.

And yes, for those wondering, I have been to Cleveland, had family there, had an uncle who was a city police sergeant for 20+ years. Never go there.

This is a pretty dumb thing to say. All places in this country have bad elements whether it's an urban or rural area. Just because you've been to Cleveland doesn't mean you know anything about it.

[youngchew]

Damn...he CURRRRR-USHED her ****!!! Bet she'll think twice before popping off at the mouth.

Granted she didn't deserve to catch that upper cut from hell, but she sure had it coming.

[MLSKINS]

She didn't get what she deserved. The driver didn't deserve to be assaulted by her. She sure as heck didn't deserve to be assaulted by him.

Getting 'what she deserved' would of been for him to ask her to leave his bus before he even got into a verbal altercation with her. And if she refused, then calling the cops/ bus company whomever for assistance to remove her. But a pre-meditated (please can the next bonehead spare me the self defense B/S) action of taking time to tell her what he's gona' do and then getting up, following her down the bus and punching, dragging and then choking her (made worse by the fact she's a child and he's a grown man, aside from the female factor. Or the fact that he's a public servant) is NOT getting what she deserves.

It's black and white here. I don't see how anyone can try justify it as not on the basis of two wrongs making a right. She did, so he had the right to do back.

How is this so hard for people to comprehend?

Hail.
When I said she got what she deserved, I am saying it based on the fact that she started all of it. She hit him first. You don't do that.

Yeah, the beat down was unnecessary from the man's point of view, but you can't hit people and expect to not get hit back. If she hit somebody around her age first, she would have got hit back. But like I said, what dude did was way over the line. Shame on both

[Hersh]

If that girl doesn't switch up her attitude, something much worse than what happened in that video is probably in her future.

Her parents need to clamp down on her or you are 100% right. Someone so brash like that will end up being that way to the wrong person who will do way worse than throw a punch.
Hell, she came back on the bus after him even after being laid out.

[MLSKINS]

I was operating under the assumption that he would be fired. Legally justifiable or not this is a PR nightmare and I'm sure that he didn't act as his employers would have preferred, especially PRIOR to the girl assaulting him.
When you're right, you're right. He was completely unprofessional prior to him hitting her. But I know how these kids are Destino, I am almost 100% sure she started it. I don't want the man to lose his job because he was provoked. Even though she is a kid and he should have risen above that.

Like I said, this whole situation sucks.

[tone_dubbz]

Instead of hitting her, he could have just thrown her off the bus.

[Hersh]

Damn...he CURRRRR-USHED her ****!!! Bet she'll think twice before popping off at the mouth.


No she won't. There will be no lessons learned from anyone involved in that incident.

[Dan T.]

Don't be naive enough to think a 15 year old girl can't **** you up. Badly. Note too that this driver had his eyes on the road the whole time and got hit from behind. At that point he doesn't know what else this person might do... If she's willing to punch a man in the head, she's capable of violence with weapons. There are crazy ass people out there... young and old.

[Forehead]

Oh, so now you're going to slander an entire city? I know people in Cleveland. Like any city, it has its good points and its bad. Despite the tough times, there's a lot of good things about that town.


This is a pretty dumb thing to say. All places in this country have bad elements whether it's an urban or rural area. Just because you've been to Cleveland doesn't mean you know anything about it.

No, it was a pretty tounge-in-cheek thing to say, though perhaps I should have added a smile thing. However, I spent quite a bit more time there than "just having been" and I pretty much stand by my tounge-in-cheekness. If I was going to seriously "slander an entire city" as Dan put it, I'm pretty sure Cleveland would be at the top of my list. I also stand by my comment that nothing Cleveland related should cause a board schism.

But enough of my attempts at levity, by all means go back to the argument at hand. I'm ready for it to begin its fifth circle.

[Smoot4Prez]

No she won't. There will be no lessons learned from anyone involved in that incident.

+1

They were both ignorant before the incident, they'll be the same after it.

[Forehead]

Damn...he CURRRRR-USHED her ****!!! Bet she'll think twice before popping off at the mouth.

Yeah, from what I've observed on the DC Metro, I'm pretty sure that thinking twice will only last as long as it takes for her jaw to work properly again.

[Major Harris]

people hear "15 year old girl" and they think of their sweet, innocent sister. if you worked with 15 year olds, you'd know that some 15 year old girls are nothing like that and will eff you up.

[Hersh]

No, it was a pretty tounge-in-cheek thing to say, though perhaps I should have added a smile thing. However, I spent quite a bit more time there than "just having been" and I pretty much stand by my tounge-in-cheekness. If I was going to seriously "slander an entire city" as Dan put it, I'm pretty sure Cleveland would be at the top of my list. I also stand by my comment that nothing Cleveland related should cause a board schism.

But enough of my attempts at levity, by all means go back to the argument at hand. I'm ready for it to begin its fifth circle.

Fair enough. I defend Cleveland cause I was born there (though grew up in DC) and the sports world has taken a giant dump on them for so long that I feel bad for them in general. :D

[Forehead]

Fair enough. I defend Cleveland cause I was born there (though grew up in DC) and the sports world has taken a giant dump on them for so long that I feel bad for them in general. :D

Believe me, I meant nothing as far as their sports go, though I hated Municipal Stadium, which was always part of the trip there. Being a lifelong DC sports fan means I can't dump on anyone. I'm speaking strictly city. We visited that family (father's older brother) on several occasions growing up. Besides the old dumpy baseball stadium, I have observed the worst of the place, and definitely heard all the stories my uncle told. I understand there are some good parts now, like the Warehouse district, but we haven't been back since the family moved away in the early/mid 90's. No reason to go back. And of course, there's always the delightful "polluted river on fire" thing.:ols:

[Destino]

Yeah, because one hit deserves another, right? I mean, that girl made him lose it, man, it's all her fault! Women shouldn't hit men and not expect to get ten times the beat down, right? Yeah, she got what she deserved alright!Why does the gender matter at all in this situation? A person that chooses to assault someone larger and stronger than them should not expect to be protected by that disparity. That person isn't the first to throw an ill advised punch only to end up on the losing side of the very lopsided fight that followed.

Personally I don't think he should have been in a verbal confrontation with her to begin with and we still don't know how that came about. We do know that he was the professional in the situation however and he should have asked her to step off the bus at that point and not chosen to engage her in a ridiculous argument. If he gets fired he has no one to blame but himself.

I wouldn't support any legal punishment for him however. People that are assaulted should have limits in how they can react but those limits shouldn't be so narrow as to protect that assailant from simple retaliation in kind.

[Rocky21]

I haven't read all 6 pages of outrage but for clarification this was a city bus, not a school bus and the driver has been suspended, not fired.

Damn that girl took a beat down. I'm not sure what set her off but I bet she'll think twice before mouthing off to a grown man again.

[Rocky21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

[skinsgirl26]

Why didn't he just throw her off the bus? The upper cut was way over the line.

She was out of control, but that doesn't give an adult the right to punch a teen in the face. It just doesn't look like he was in that much danger that he needed to throw that punch...he hit a girl whom he could have just literally thrown off the bus.

This girl obviously has issues and needs some help. I can't believe there are people like that who think it's okay to treat other people so disrespectfully. There is no way to even justify treating another person like that. She deserves severe punishment. I just don't agree with the driver's violent reaction.

Um also. What the **** is wrong with all the people on the bus. Video taping and laughing, but no one wants to help? How bout instead of taking a video, you call the cops. And now I'm seeing this all over facebook and people are laughing about it...I don't find this very funny. I find it very, very sad.

[ixcuincle]

It's society

We just want to laugh and watch when stuff like this goes down, because we want to upload it online and get hits

Smh

[Dan T.]

Believe me, I meant nothing as far as their sports go, though I hated Municipal Stadium, which was always part of the trip there. Being a lifelong DC sports fan means I can't dump on anyone. I'm speaking strictly city. We visited that family (father's older brother) on several occasions growing up. Besides the old dumpy baseball stadium, I have observed the worst of the place, and definitely heard all the stories my uncle told. I understand there are some good parts now, like the Warehouse district, but we haven't been back since the family moved away in the early/mid 90's. No reason to go back. And of course, there's always the delightful "polluted river on fire" thing.:ols:

The "dumpy baseball stadium" was torn down about 20 years ago. The "polluted river on fire" thing happened more than 40 years ago. You really need to update your shtick.

[Destino]

When you're right, you're right. He was completely unprofessional prior to him hitting her. But I know how these kids are Destino, I am almost 100% sure she started it. I don't want the man to lose his job because he was provoked. Even though she is a kid and he should have risen above that.

Like I said, this whole situation sucks.
He was the professional, as I noted early in a different reply, he shouldn't have engaged her in a ridiculous argument. That is where he endangered his job IMO.

[Forehead]

Um also. What the **** is wrong with all the people on the bus. Video taping and laughing, but no one wants to help? How bout instead of taking a video, you call the cops. And now I'm seeing this all over facebook and people are laughing about it...I don't find this very funny. I find it very, very sad.

Default behavior now is to videotape and upload to YouTube. In some ways, YouTube has been an awful contribution to society, uploading school fights, things like this. The same thing happened with that "Epic Beard Man" fight awhile back. There should have been police called, but instead everyone wanted to watch two old guys duke it out, or fixate on the random "Amber Lamps" chick on the bus.

[scruffylookin]

He should have acted with more restraint and professionalism HOWEVER that waste of space had it coming.

I can't lie. That video made me smile. The folks out there, especially these young punks, who feel entitled and feel like they can say and do whatever they want because they have "a right to express themselves" have this coming.

Newsflash, despite what your mommy and daddy and/or what society tries and peddle, you're not special. You're not unique. The world will go on long after you are worm food. Try and lead a good life and live it with a simple motto, "do no harm".

Now back to this video. The saddest thing for me is knowing that it is more likely this "girl" will continue to act this way and will be looking for a way to get this guy back, or worse make another bus driver pay for this guy's actions instead of learning a lesson and perhaps start acting like a civilized individual instead of a piece of trash.

[Destino]

Default behavior now is to videotape and upload to YouTube. In some ways, YouTube has been an awful contribution to society, uploading school fights, things like this. The same thing happened with that "Epic Beard Man" fight awhile back. There should have been police called, but instead everyone wanted to watch two old guys duke it out, or fixate on the random "Amber Lamps" chick on the bus.

I'm not sure I lived in a time when people didn't crowd around and gawk at fight that breaks out all of the sudden. I think there was a time however when people would have been faster to break this particular fight up however.

[thebluefood]

I think Foamy the Squirrel is on the right track as far as this incident is concerned:

http://fictionaddictions.com/bmz_cache/7/7eae48a45b2629fe74ac229e027c8696.image.226x200.png

The spawn of the underworld that berated a bus driver trying to do his job. Said bus driver getting up and delivering a Mortal Kombat move on someone much smaller than him. The people on the bus laughing and filming everything. Everyone in this situation is just the worst.

[Forehead]

The "dumpy baseball stadium" was torn down about 20 years ago. The "polluted river on fire" thing happened more than 40 years ago. You really need to update your shtick.

I think it would be better if you upgraded the stick in your ass to "not actually having one.";) That smile is included to help you understand that I don't really mean it. And the river on fire is an achievement that transcends time. It takes real effort to accomplish something that defies the laws of nature.

[Hersh]

Believe me, I meant nothing as far as their sports go, though I hated Municipal Stadium, which was always part of the trip there. Being a lifelong DC sports fan means I can't dump on anyone. I'm speaking strictly city. We visited that family (father's older brother) on several occasions growing up. Besides the old dumpy baseball stadium, I have observed the worst of the place, and definitely heard all the stories my uncle told. I understand there are some good parts now, like the Warehouse district, but we haven't been back since the family moved away in the early/mid 90's. No reason to go back. And of course, there's always the delightful "polluted river on fire" thing.:ols:

I was there in July and I will say that the city is much much nicer than in the 1990's. I will admit that it was a less than desirable place back than. Though I was and still am shocked that they have a casino in downtown Cleveland now. Just opened.

[Bang]

I wish i could say i feel bad when a piece of **** gets their jaw broken, but I don't.
the bus driver will and should be punished for it. but like it or not, the world is what it is, and there are people who don't put up with it.

best advice,, if you don't want a bus driver to break your jaw, then don't act like such a piece of trash.

~Bang

[SnyderShrugged]

I'm old fashioned. A man NEVER hits a woman unless his life is literally under imminent threat. Period.

I think that he used waaaayyyyyy too much force for that situation. He could just as easily called the authorities or if there wasnt time, forced her off the bus and not let her back on.

All that said, I also think that she should also be prosecuted for assault along side of him.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

That's not old fashioned SS.

That's just basic human decency toward the weaker sex.

Hail.

[KDawg]

That's not old fashioned SS.

That's just basic human decency toward the weaker sex.

Hail.

Woah, GHH.

The weaker sex?

Not a great word choice, brotha.

[SnyderShrugged]

That's not old fashioned SS.

That's just basic human decency toward the weaker sex.

Hail.


man, I wouldnt ever slip and say women are "weaker"!

My wife is a Massage Therapist and let me just explain like this....I never have to open the pickle jar!

[Skinsfan1311]

I wish i could say i feel bad when a piece of **** gets their jaw broken, but I don't.
the bus driver will and should be punished for it. but like it or not, the world is what it is, and there are people who don't put up with it.

best advice,, if you don't want a bus driver to break your jaw, then don't act like such a piece of trash.

~Bang

This sums it up for me.

[Dictator]

That's not old fashioned SS.

That's just basic human decency toward the weaker sex.

Hail.

So...LSF...are women the weaker sex or not?
If not, what was wrong with the bus driver punching a woman?

[twa]

Woah, GHH.

The weaker sex?

Not a great word choice, brotha.

perhaps not PC, but in general it is true,just as we assume a larger person is more dangerous
weaker is not lesser

[Stophovr6]

Anyone think she'll ever hit a bus driver again?

Both of them deserve to have charges brought against them.

All the bus driver has to do is stop the bus and call the police. He shouldn't have been talking back to her at all. Saying things like his grand daughter could beat her up etc was over the line to begin with. Let's not pretend like he was taking the high road up until he got hit.

[Dan T.]

I think it would be better if you upgraded the stick in your ass to "not actually having one.";) That smile is included to help you understand that I don't really mean it. And the river on fire is an achievement that transcends time. It takes real effort to accomplish something that defies the laws of nature.

Right back at ya. You say you don't really mean it, but you keep repeating it -
"I spent quite a bit more time there than "just having been" and I pretty much stand by my tounge-in-cheekness. If I was going to seriously "slander an entire city" as Dan put it, I'm pretty sure Cleveland would be at the top of my list. I also stand by my comment ...

I don't think you even know what tongue-in-cheek means.

So you can take your shtick, and the stick in my ass, and stick them.

[KDawg]

perhaps not PC, but in general it is true,just as we assume a larger person is more dangerous
weaker is not lesser

That's interesting.

Does that mean that when they punch somebody they should be held accountable for it?

[Sticksboi05]

What he did was out of order mostly but she put herself at risk 100%. The man took abuse for who knows howl ong before that sitting, being calm (not getting violent but he shouldn't have been talking smack back), doing his job, driving a freakin' bus. She assaulted a driver of a large vehicle. Do you realize she put everyone on the bus in danger?

Don't feel bad for her at all, whatsoever. The response was uncalled for, personally I would've just restrained her and had someone call the police.

[Sticksboi05]

I hate World Star Hip-Hop, it is the worst website on the internet IMO......

(a) He should have pulled the bus over and refused to drive until she got off.

(b) but you gotta think before you act.

God please help us :(

(a) Lol, seriously, why, so she can think she can go around and act like a disrespectful ***** the rest of her life without repercussion? Absolutely not do I tell her to get off and call it a day. If I'm assaulted doing my job, the police will be called which is what should've been done. Should've stopped the bus, restrained her and told a passenger to call the police.

(b) Yes, she really does need to think doesn't she.

[skinsfan07]

LMFAOOOOOO!!!

He falcon punched her and then threw her off the bus!!!!

[Dan T.]

BTW, is "You're goin' to jail now" slang for "I'm gonna knock your ass out." ?

[KDawg]

BTW, is "You're goin' to jail now" slang for "I'm gonna knock your ass out." ?

I think the guy in the orange said that.

I'm actually a little confused as to the events. Did she hit the guy in the orange? Or did she hit the driver and the driver caught her with an uppercut in defense? The guy in the orange bailed out pretty quick.

I'm fairly positive she hit the driver and the dude in the orange duck and covered. But I think it's him saying that she's going to jail.

I could be wrong :ols:

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I wish i could say i feel bad when a piece of **** gets their jaw broken, but I don't.
the bus driver will and should be punished for it. but like it or not, the world is what it is, and there are people who don't put up with it.

best advice,, if you don't want a bus driver to break your jaw, then don't act like such a piece of trash.

~Bang

Feel the same way as Bang....


BTW, cant wait to see someone make a Street fighter or mortal kombat .gif out of this. :ols:

[Sticksboi05]

I want to thank the men on this thread who stand up for decency and doing the right thing.

The rest of you who think that any person has the right to beat down another person, especially one younger than themselves, needs to grow up and evolve. That attitude is very juvenile.

This violent attitude is one of the reasons why wars are started/fought. The other is believing that one has the right to take something that doesn't belong to them by force. Oh, and that religious intolerance thing, that is also a cause of war or at least an excuse to start/fight one.

And WTF is "acting like a lady" except code for sitting there quietly, keeping her legs close together while wearing a nice skirt, and all those other demure things?

There is a code for acting correctly in public that applies to everyone, not just females. She violated the code. The bus driver must have received training on how to handle such a situation, why didn't he do as trained, whatever that was? I'm sure it wasn't to beat, choke and throw a paying passenger off of his bus.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Isn't that we are all taught?

I'm gonna make my point in a simple manner.

Was he in the right, hell no. Was she, hell no.

Did he respond with incredibly poor judgement, absolutely.

BUT, when you physically assault another person, you open Pandora's box. If that's beyond the scope of people here, there is nothing left to discuss. Verbal yelling is one thing but when you strike a man trying to drive a bus full of people , putting everyone on that vehicle in danger, you arep utting yourself in harm's way. You don't know how people will react.

In a 2 minute video we don't know how or why the argument began, for all you know she hit him before this and he asked her to leave.

There is zero justification for uppercutting some teenage girl (not little girl) I agree, unless she attempted to use a deadly weapon. But punching someone else who to that point has not made any sign of being physical, is foolish.

[twa]

That's interesting.

Does that mean that when they punch somebody they should be held accountable for it?

If you do more than is needed to defend yourself(below a legitimate perceived deadly threat) you are accountable for your excesses
just as someone striking the driver is.

capabilities do matter to me ,I do allow victims more leeway though which is why choking her out is somewhat acceptable to me.

[Sticksboi05]

If you do more than is needed to defend yourself(below a legitimate perceived deadly threat) you are accountable for your excesses
just as someone striking the driver is.

capabilities do matter to me ,I do allow victims more leeway though which is why choking her out is somewhat acceptable to me.

I agree. He will rightfully have assault charges brought against him also. Foolish response to a foolish ***** of a passenger.

[Elessar78]

In this crazy world we live in, I hope he transfers routes. Too easy to ambush him and escalate things to whole 'nother level.

[KDawg]

If you do more than is needed to defend yourself(below a legitimate perceived deadly threat) you are accountable for your excesses
just as someone striking the driver is.

capabilities do matter to me ,I do allow victims more leeway though which is why choking her out is somewhat acceptable to me.

We're on the same page, then. :)

But weaker doesn't always just mean in a physical sense (as I'm absolutely SURE GHH was alluding to). It's not refined to one meaning. :)

[KingGibbs]

You have to admit that it was a textbook uppercut.

I keed. I keed.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I think what surprised/impressed me the most was that that girl didn't get knocked out. How did she take that?

And the guy should go to jail. There are a million things he could have done that would have taught her a lesson and saved his dignity without essentially beating the crap out of her.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

This thread is sorta scary... and not for the OP.

[jnhay]

When you provoke a person like that you should expect that kind of response. But while he lost his composure, it looks like she was just being a complete *****. When you poke a person that much, it's only human to get some type of over-the-top response. Was it unnecessary? Of course! But that doesn't make him the bad guy in this situation.

[afkidd]

i agree with the driver's action just like i agree with that mcdonald's employees action.

you put your hands on someone else, you better be ready for the consequences. i've seen beat downs escalate rather quickly when the person that is initially attacked doesn't fight back and ends up getting stomped. and if he stops the bus, gets out to call the police, you think the girl is just going to sit there while they come? give me a break...even if they did, they are just going to remove her from the bus and turn her over to her parents...if they are lucky enough to not be cracked out somewhere.

[STBonecrusher21]

The phrase "That's MY bike punk!" immediately entered my head.

[Stugein]

Might as well throw in my 2¢

My mom taught me that you never hit a lady, but that if a female is attacking you then she is NOT a lady. If you are being assaulted you defend yourself, man or woman. I have absolutely no problem with a man striking a woman if she is actively attempting to harm him. None at all.

That said, the bus driver was not defending himself. He was retaliating. She hit him and backed off. She had stopped. He was in no imminent danger and should have parked the bus and called the police. Instead he chose to get up and follow her, escalating the situation. He punched her because he was angry, not because he was in danger. And THAT is wrong.

If he had immediately lashed out and struck her when she hit him, fine. If she didn't back off, but rather continued attempting to strike him, so he parked, stood up and rung her bell, still no problem. But that delay where he had to stop, park, unbuckle, get up, then puposely approach her..all after she had stopped...that is what plants him squarely in the wrong. Not that it was a girl, but that he was no longer in immediate danger.

[afkidd]

I think what surprised/impressed me the most was that that girl didn't get knocked out. How did she take that?

And the guy should go to jail. There are a million things he could have done that would have taught her a lesson and saved his dignity without essentially beating the crap out of her.

please start listing these million things. there's literally nothing he could have done to teach her a lesson, which is obvious because she starts fighting and jawing as soon as she realizes she didn't get knocked back in time.

[skinsfan07]

He should have acted with more restraint and professionalism HOWEVER that waste of space had it coming.

I can't lie. That video made me smile. The folks out there, especially these young punks, who feel entitled and feel like they can say and do whatever they want because they have "a right to express themselves" have this coming.

Newsflash, despite what your mommy and daddy and/or what society tries and peddle, you're not special. You're not unique. The world will go on long after you are worm food. Try and lead a good life and live it with a simple motto, "do no harm".

Now back to this video. The saddest thing for me is knowing that it is more likely this "girl" will continue to act this way and will be looking for a way to get this guy back, or worse make another bus driver pay for this guy's actions instead of learning a lesson and perhaps start acting like a civilized individual instead of a piece of trash.

Couldn't agree more! Great post.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

please start listing these million things. there's literally nothing he could have done to teach her a lesson, which is obvious because she starts fighting and jawing as soon as she realizes she didn't get knocked back in time.

1. Pull over, radio the bus transit authority, and get the cops to escort her off the bus.

How about that alone?

[afkidd]

1. Pull over, radio the bus transit authority, and get the cops to escort her off the bus.

How about that alone?

rofl. so she is just going to stand there and wait for the cops to show up? yea, right. and just like i said in my previous post, what are they going to do? jail her? no, they aren't going to jail her for slapping a bus driver. they are going to release her to her parents if they can find them, and she will then have to see a court official and get probation MAYBE. and it's still not teaching her a lesson. i seriously doubt this is the first dude she's ever punched.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

rofl. so she is just going to stand there and wait for the cops to show up? yea, right. and just like i said in my previous post, what are they going to do? jail her? no, they aren't going to jail her for slapping a bus driver. they are going to release her to her parents if they can find them, and she will then have to see a court official and get probation MAYBE.

So, then she gets off the bus and runs away before the cops get there? And this lets you down because.....? You don't think that alone would have embarrassed the hell out of her and taught her a lesson? You think she'd continue talking to bus drivers like that if she had to run off the bus.

Are you saying that this guy's only option was to throw a haymaker at a 100 pound 18 year old loud-mouth girl? That's all he could have done?

[jnhay]

1. Pull over, radio the bus transit authority, and get the cops to escort her off the bus.

How about that alone?
That's totally sensible, but when a person makes you mad like the intentionally you might not think rationally.

This reminds me of the guy on the metro who got beat up by a bunch of high school girls. He did "the right thing" by not fighting back but looks like the biggest ***** on earth doing so.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

That's totally sensible, but when a person makes you mad like the intentionally you might not think rationally.

True. But, he's accountable for his actions in rage as well, just like anyone else. And I wasn't him, so I can't say for sure, but I'd like to THINK that I would not have thrown that punch.

I'm not advocating the death penalty for this guy! Just saying, he should probably be fired and at least get some probation.

[afkidd]

So, then she gets off the bus and runs away before the cops get there? And this lets you down because.....? You don't think that alone would have embarrassed the hell out of her and taught her a lesson? You think she'd continue talking to bus drivers like that if she had to run off the bus.

Are you saying that this guy's only option was to throw a haymaker at a 100 pound 18 year old loud-mouth girl? That's all he could have done?

i didn't say anything about options. i said nothing will teach this girl a lesson. if getting uppercutted in the jaw, dragged around the bus, and made to look like the chump she is didn't teach her a lesson, you think having to run from the cops and getting away with a crime is? you think kids who steal candy bars from gas stations all of a sudden feel embarrassed because they got away with stealing stuff?

[Stophovr6]

rofl. so she is just going to stand there and wait for the cops to show up? yea, right. and just like i said in my previous post, what are they going to do? jail her? no, they aren't going to jail her for slapping a bus driver. they are going to release her to her parents if they can find them, and she will then have to see a court official and get probation MAYBE. and it's still not teaching her a lesson. i seriously doubt this is the first dude she's ever punched.

Well at the very least in that scenario the bus driver gets to keep his job AND not have charges pressed against himself, so there's that.

[Dan T.]

No way to verify if true or not, but a nursing assistant at the Cleveland Clinic posted on Facebook that in addition to punching the bus driver, the girl spit in his face.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/viral-video/cleveland-bus-punch-736901

[Tulane Skins Fan]

i didn't say anything about options. i said nothing will teach this girl a lesson. if getting uppercutted in the jaw, dragged around the bus, and made to look like the chump she is didn't teach her a lesson, you think having to run from the cops and getting away with a crime is? you think kids who steal candy bars from gas stations all of a sudden feel embarrassed because they got away with stealing stuff?

Ah... I misunderstood your point that she is beyond reproach. Incorrigible.

Ok, I won't argue that. I was just saying this wasn't the tactic the guy had to take.

[KDawg]

That said, the bus driver was not defending himself. He was retaliating. She hit him and backed off. She had stopped. .

People "back off" because they know that one of two things usually happens when they back off: 1) Someone breaks it up and they're in no danger of getting hit back. 2) They're technically in retreat and they're technically protected.

She knew what she was doing by backing off.

[Stugein]

People "back off" because they know that one of two things usually happens when they back off: 1) Someone breaks it up and they're in no danger of getting hit back. 2) They're technically in retreat and they're technically protected.

She knew what she was doing by backing off.

Absolutely. And in either case it means that the man was no longer in immediate danger.

[abdcskins]

"You goin to jail now! You goin to jail now! You goin to....thump"

Lovely uppercut. She got what she deserved.

[Forehead]

1. Pull over, radio the bus transit authority, and get the cops to escort her off the bus.

How about that alone?

That is a good answer, but you still owe us 999,999 more of them ;)

[Sticksboi05]

So, then she gets off the bus and runs away before the cops get there? And this lets you down because.....? You don't think that alone would have embarrassed the hell out of her and taught her a lesson? You think she'd continue talking to bus drivers like that if she had to run off the bus.

Are you saying that this guy's only option was to throw a haymaker at a 100 pound 18 year old loud-mouth girl? That's all he could have done?

Uhh no. That girl was acting like a hoodrat. I doubt it'd be the first time she's been involved with the police at least unofficially. That teaches her no lesson. She should have assault charges brought against her. Unfortunately he responded like an idiot and he too should have charges brought against him.

[afkidd]

i just watched the video again...after she hits him, he says "you going to jail now" which is obvious...but what i didn't catch was the girl said "ok let's going, nword, let's go, nword." To me she was expecting to fight, even though she probably thought they were going to do some shoving before and probably get broken up. the driver just cut to the chase.

i remember going through a base perimeter defense course when I was stationed in korea a few years ago. one of the things that killed me is that a korean national could walk up to the gate, blow away a gate guard, then throw his gun down (all in the span of 2 seconds) and legally the other gate guards couldn't do anything. i'm pretty certain it's the same in the united states. so legally he's in the wrong. and that's unfortunate.

[mcsluggo]

You're right she shouldn't have. So what? More violence is not the answer. Hitting somebody is the last thing you should ever do. Hitting a 15 year old girl, definitely the last thing you should do.

Guy should have gotten off the bus and waited for a cop. He slowly got up, walked to her and then jacked her the **** up. Lifted her off her feet with that punch.

If you think that was the right thing to do, that's ****ing sad.

I'd say the lack of compassion in our society is a problem, not the illegal nature of being able to throttle little girls.

ex-act-ly.

i can't believe that people in this thread see the world in such black and white that they can't see that BOTH of the participants in this farce were oh so very wrong. There was no "right" side.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Woah, GHH.

The weaker sex?

Not a great word choice, brotha.


man, I wouldnt ever slip and say women are "weaker"!

My wife is a Massage Therapist and let me just explain like this....I never have to open the pickle jar!


So...LSF...are women the weaker sex or not?
If not, what was wrong with the bus driver punching a woman?

Nothing against the above posts, which are taking in the manner they where intended. Just running with them to make a point.

I HATE PC B/S. The last 20 years or so it's gone that far off the charts people are scared to say even the most innocent of things. And I'm sure feminists would be up in arms, but there's absolutely NOTHING derogatory toward females in those three words. It doesn't make you inferior to males. It doesn't make you mentally/ emotionally weaker. It doesn't make you 'lesser' in any way to your male counterparts. It just is what it is. God designed us differently, and males are by nature physically stronger than woman.

All this PC B/S screws that much with the connotation of words and phrases that you now need a whole new dictionary just to keep up.

*Steps down off soap box and returns you to your scheduled thread .....

Hail.

[Rocky21]

So, then she gets off the bus and runs away before the cops get there? And this lets you down because.....? You don't think that alone would have embarrassed the hell out of her and taught her a lesson? You think the cops would have escorted her off the bus and then she would have been embarrassed by this? Really? I think you may have misjudged the situation / participants

[afkidd]

on a side note...i'm looking forward to the wombo combo falcon punch dub over.

[Destino]

Accoring to this story the "little girl" is 25 and the bus driver has been suspended:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_bus_driver_punches_p.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A pair of videos showing a bus driver punching one of his female passengers -- landing an uppercut before literally throwing her out the bus door -- is going viral on YouTube and other similar sites.

The apparent visual evidence of the fracas has also left the driver suspended by the Regional Transit Authority in Cleveland soon after the story was reported today.

The RTA, however, has yet to name the driver and city police officials said there was no report filed on the fight.

The RTA has repeatedly refused to release the driver's name today, although the incident with a public employee apparently happened several weeks ago. Shaffer said in an email that the agency is first contacting the driver, a 22-year veteran employee of RTA, before publicly releasing the name.

The Plain Dealer has requested the name of the public employee under the state public records law.

Shaffer did say the fight happened on the No. 5 bus in Beachwood, Ohio, on Sept. 18, but that RTA did not view the video until Oct. 11 and then immediately suspended the employee.

She said the 25-year-old passenger did not file charges.

Meanwhile, the infamous punch (#uppercut is trending on Twitter in the Cleveland area, along with several related tags ) is the second incident in a bad week for the transit agency: A teenager stole an RTA bus early Thursday, drove it at least five miles and apparently crashed it before he was arrested, officials say.

But the pair of cell phone videos (so far) which have been posted on the internet showing an escalating verbal confrontation between the driver of bus number 2802 and female rider are getting news play virtually everywhere. (Warning: the video contains harsh language and violence).

Both videos show the woman yelling at the driver and then apparently striking him before the driver eventually leaves his seat and punches the woman in the face before tossing her from the stopped bus.

The woman returns to the bus, and the two continue to fight until they are broken up by other riders.

RTA officials first saw the extreme video on Thursday, but believe the incident took place on Sept. 18.

"Upon identifying the driver, he was immediately suspended and removed from duty," said RTA spokeswoman Mary Shaffer in an emailed statement. "His behavior is absolutely unacceptable. RTA apologizes to our customers for this incident."

The Plain Dealer will continue to update this story as details become available.

Plain Dealer staff contributed to this story.

[mcsluggo]

This thread is sorta scary... and not for the OP.

agreed... threads like this always are.

[Rocky21]

I've started a "You Going To Jail Now" T-shirt site.

We're gonna clean up.

[Sticksboi05]

So it turns out our "little girl" was a 25 year old woman who also spat in the guy's face. Makes her look even more pathetic. Whole situation is a joke for her and Captain Falcon the Bus Driver.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I knew she wasn't a "child"...just a loud ass disrespectful woman. I personally would not have even thought about hitting her but I still do not feel bad about her jaw getting deconstructed either.

The bus driver is wrong too...but ppl need to learn there are ALWAYS consequences for buffoonery. She got hers but now everyone is gonna suffer.

I feel like it's a case of life sorting the stupid out.

oh and there is this..."WOOOOOOORLLLLLLLLLLLDDDDD STARRRRRRRRRR!!!"

[MLSKINS]

:doh:


(a) He should have pulled the bus over and refused to drive until she got off.



(a) Lol, seriously, why, so she can think she can go around and act like a disrespectful ***** the rest of her life without repercussion? Absolutely not do I tell her to get off and call it a day. If I'm assaulted doing my job, the police will be called which is what should've been done. Should've stopped the bus, restrained her and told a passenger to call the police.


I ride public transit with youth. They are rowdy. On the train, there isn't much control that the conductor has. They are isolated from the rest of the passengers, so if this situation happened on a train all bets are off....

However,

I say what I said about the driving stopping the bus BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN!! I am not just throwing out some bs suggestions, I am throwing out actual techniques.

The whole point of stopping the bus is to get the passengers on the bus (usually the older ones) to get the rowdy individual to calm down before the bus moves. It always work. It's easy to talk trash to a bus driver, try talking trash to a tired and angry mob trying to get home after a long day of work. If she were to follow him off the bus and attack him, that is when you defend yourself. He didn't have to WALK TOWARDS HER!!! and hit her with the Shoruyken.


Yes she hit him first
Yes she was rude, sadistic, etc.

But he handled it the wrong way.

I don't mean to throw politics in this, but could you imagine if somebody like Obama or Romney did something like this? Should he hold this man to less standards because he isn't famous.
Didn't we all dislike Chris Brown when he beat up Rhianna.

I would have said similar things if a woman beat up a 15 year old boy. As a professional, as an adult, you have to rise above childish things.

*I could have written this better, but my job got in the way. :D

[visionary]

I'm not sure why but the thought of cheering this guy on bothers me, even if she was a guy I don't think I'd be too comfortable with his response.

[Dan T.]

MLSKINS, she wasn't 15, she was 25. She spit in the man's face and punched him in the head.

[MLSKINS]

Accoring to this story the "little girl" is 25 and the bus driver has been suspended:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_bus_driver_punches_p.html
Well, that changes things. :ols:

He still didn't have to hit her with the http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091125000854/streetfighter/images/2/2c/Ryu-sf2-shoryuken.gif

I have even less sympathy for the victim now then what I had when it was falsely reported she was 15.

[Sticksboi05]

:doh:

I ride public transit with youth.D

She is 25, not 15.

And if someone SPAT in your face, what are the odds you let it go and say just get out of my house or just get off the bus. He responded in a foolish manner, 100%. But she is still a stupid hoodrat trying to act tough. Well, as DIRECTV says, when people think you're tough, people want to find out how tough.

[MLSKINS]

Okay, I didn't see the post. She is 25

I said it changes things. But he could have handled it better....

I will re-issue my lifetime ban on her for public transit since she is 10 years older than I thought she is. What an idiot...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

He still attacked a female to that degree MLS, regardless of her age or the provocation. And it was a conscious act. Not a split second self defense response. Doesn't change a darn thing about the driver.

But being as she's now apparently 25, surely they BOTH should get charged with assault at least as adults?

Hail.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

you know what...I honestly feel like people take things too seriously and too pc.

To me...it just a display of stupidity and ignorance and you know what...I'm just going to laugh at it and move on with my day.

There is no deep analysis for it...it was low level idiocy and I feel like it should be treated with laughter and that is it.

Nothing deeper...

[mcsluggo]

my opinion of ANYONE that tries to defend the actions of EITHER of the participants in that mess really drops.

they both suck.

you don't have to defend one to criticize the other...

[#98QBKiller]

Both the driver and the girl made dumb decisions in that video. First of all the girl is an idiot and needs to learn to act like a human being, and how to treat people. Secondly, the guy went overboard. He could've grabbed her and easily escorted her off the bus without throwing an uppercut.

[twa]

you don't have to defend one to criticize the other...


Or defend either to appreciate
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091125000854/streetfighter/images/2/2c/Ryu-sf2-shoryuken.gif

I'm with Brave

[SteveFromYellowstone]

So am I still a bigot LSF? Or does your point now change to men should never hit women in any circumstances?

Admit it, you get riled up by anything that involves women. You called me a bigot for saying she got what she deserved and she knew what she was doing. I'm a damn bleeding heart liberal who supports womens rights but you get all nasty and call me a bigot because I don't agree with you.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

I think she deserved it although maybe not to the degree of a Cobra Kai kick to the face. For those saying she hit him and then backed off and the driver was not in danger anymore, how do you know that? What if he didn't get up out of his seat? She may have gone back and hit him with another blow to the face and caused him to pass out and wreck the bus hurting himself, passengers and people on the street.

Did she deserve to get that vicious hit under her chin? No, but she took it like a champ and came back for more. Things could of been handled better but hindsight is 20/20. Sometimes you just snap

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I think she deserved it although maybe not to the degree of a Cobra Kai kick to the face. For those saying she hit him and then backed off and the driver was not in danger anymore, how do you know that? What if he didn't get up out of his seat? She may have gone back and hit him with another blow to the face and caused him to pass out and wreck the bus hurting himself, passengers and people on the street.

Did she deserve to get that vicious hit under her chin? No, but she took it like a champ and came back for more. Things could of been handled better but hindsight is 20/20. Sometimes you just snap

It wasn't self defense. He definitely did it to "get her back" not out of protection.

Regardless, I'm going to go along with the "I'm just going to laugh at both of these idiots and this is not ground for a serious discussion."

[I_Bleed_B&G]

It wasn't self defense. He definitely did it to "get her back" not out of protection.

Regardless, I'm going to go along with the "I'm just going to laugh at both of these idiots and this is not ground for a serious discussion."

How can you say it wasn't self defense? She punched him in the face and he has a right at the point to defend himself. If he would of continued sitting, she would of probably hit him again. I mean nothing stopped her the first time from laying her fist on his face.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

This person struck the bus driver while he was sitting in his seat, trying to do his job. Once that woman's fist landed on the side of his head, all bets are off. And once she shows she's willing to commit a violent assault, her gender becomes irrelevant.

MLSKINS, I would have admired the bus driver had he immediately stopped the bus and called police. That would have shown amazing self-control. But I can't fault him either for protecting himself from a person who has already assaulted him.

I can't agree with this more. I'm sorry, but as some point there is a limit to how much a person can, and should, take in regards to being hit or verbally assaulted in that manner. Do I agree with him seeming to choke her? (maybe I was seeing things?) No. But do I fault him for hitting her? Honestly, no. As said in the quoted post, I would have applauded his patience for just calling the police/authorities, but cannot at all fault him for the action taken.

[MattFancy]

Yeah seeing that she is 25 changes somethings here. I think the bus driver was a little over the top, but she is just as much to blame here.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

You know what, she deserved it. Women shouldn't be able to run around and hit men and say whatever they want and not expect to get hit back.

she didnt deserve to get choked out, but yeah she hit him first.

I would have given her an open hand slap for that. That is not a lady, and I do not understand the defense of her. Screw her.

[mistertim]

I'm in the "they are both idiots and they both suck" camp.

She was verbally harassing him and then moved on to spitting and punching; I don't care what your gender is...if you physically assault someone you should expect a reaction and you lose any good graces that being female might have initially afforded you. It would be wonderful if we all lived in Happy Land where everyone is nice to each other and people always keep their cool to make sure not to perpetuate violence, but that simply isn't realistic and has little bearing on how the world really is.

That said, the bus driver is also an idiot and definitely went too far. He absolutely crushed her with an over the top response punch and then choked her when she came back on the bus; definitely not OK. It would have been much more prudent to just physically remove her from the bus (though, given her temperament and behavior one can't assume that she wouldn't simply escalate her violence more once he tried that).

Also figures that the other people on the bus were laughing and cheering and recording instead of stepping in and trying to help resolve things. smh

[ixcuincle]

Well, if she's 25, that changes everything :ols:

No reason why she shouldn't have been uppercut like mad

LEt the bus man do his job

[Tulane Skins Fan]

she didnt deserve to get choked out, but yeah she hit him first.

I would have given her an open hand slap for that. That is not a lady, and I do not understand the defense of her. Screw her.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KHuNqgsuQw

[zoony]

I hate World Star Hip-Hop, it is the worst website on the internet IMO......

NSFW Language in the video. Check your speaker volume

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-g0mmzVc0


Yes, the little girl(yes little girl she is not a woman no matter how much she thinks she is) was running her mouth. Talking all types of stuff to the bus driver. SHE EVEN HIT HIM FIRST!!!!

However, there is no way I can justify the bus driver retaliating the way he did. The dude hit her with one of them Mortal Kombat uppercuts and then chokes her and beats here some more. As a man, I can not tolerate that. He should have pulled the bus over and refused to drive until she got off. He has the right to do that. But he took the low road, argued with her and hit her.

This really hurts me man, it is two things that I don't like being combined into one nightmare. Rowdy kids on public transit and a man hitting a woman. :doh:

Both individuals needs to be punished, but the man should get punished more just because he is A MAN!!! and he was the adult. Yes I understand she did deserve it, but you gotta think before you act.

God please help us :(

They both might think twice next time. Probably not.

[NLC1054]

Eh...she was rude, loud, disrespectful and she hit him first. I don't condone any man hitting a woman, but the second she threw the first punch, as far as defending himself, the bus driver had a right to defend himself...

However, defending himself probably didn't have to involve punching the high holy **** out of her in the manner he did, and then choking her out, and then furthering the fight with her after that. He is both older and stronger than her, and he should've known better.

At any rate both of them are horrible people. The girl is likely to get in more dumbass fights like this, and the guy will (and rightfully should) lose his job.

I do always find it funny/scary when men automatically jump to the defense of the guilty man in these cases though....

[youngchew]

In related news, the latest episode of WSHH ghetto fights is up. 20 minutes of club parking lot brawls and after school knockouts from the past week. A lot of comedy in there.

EXTREME NSFW for language

I hope they called the ambulance for that kid @ 15:00 mark, he was having a nasty seizure....that wasn't cool.


http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video640.php?v=wshhBJ4P8oKBu1T6W0s1&set_size=1

[STBonecrusher21]

They both might think twice next time. Probably not.

That's asking a bit much, isn't it?

:)

[NLC1054]

Also figures that the other people on the bus were laughing and cheering and recording instead of stepping in and trying to help resolve things. smh

You'd be surprised at how often people shout down the bus driver on the bus for one reason or another, and the response is much the same. Granted, I've never seen two people fight, but in situations like this, my personal experience is that the more people that get involved, the worse the problem comes.

I've seen a bus driver and a woman get in a verbal fight, then seen a guy speak up for the bus driver, which at that point just escalated the woman's attitude, which in turn escalates the two men fighting, which just gets people more and more agitated.

Not saying it was right for people to sit and watch him punch the **** out of her, but people on the bus did step in once the two people started to really scrap with one another. But most people on the bus aren't interested in becoming referees in another person's fight, and if you ride public transportation long enough you get jaded to this kind of thing as far as people shouting at each other goes. I can't speak to the physical stuff.

Just reminds me I need to get my license so I don't have to deal with crazy people on the bus anymore...

[ixcuincle]

You don't have your license at 25?

Anyway I was never a fan of all these fight videos. Don't want to see devolution of society as we all watch people beat each other up. It's no better than "Honey Boo Boo".

[MLSKINS]

You don't have your license at 25?

Anyway I was never a fan of all these fight videos. Don't want to see devolution of society as we all watch people beat each other up. It's no better than "Honey Boo Boo".

To be fair my intentions wasn't to encourage fighting or get a couple of laughs, it was more to point out that we have to be careful of the way we act in public.

The cameras are rolling...

On top of that, the world is already messed up as it is. Why do we continue to keep adding to it? I just don't know what to say anymore. :doh:

[Predicto]

I'm sorry, but just because she hit him first does not justify going all Chuck Norris on her.

Neither of them can be defended in any way.

[NLC1054]

On top of that, the world is already messed up as it is. Why do we continue to keep adding to it? I just don't know what to say anymore. :doh:

It's not like the world was Gene Rodenbarry's view of the future and then things suddenly went to crap.

People have been acting like idiots since the dawn of time. The amount of idiocy in the world is actually probably not as much as the people who are perfectly normal, decent people.

[MLSKINS]

It took twelve pages to somebody to reefer to Chuck Norris :ols:

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 06:24 PM ----------


It's not like the world was Gene Rodenbarry's view of the future and then things suddenly went to crap.

People have been acting like idiots since the dawn of time. The amount of idiocy in the world is actually probably not as much as the people who are perfectly normal, decent people.
You are right. I guess with the convenience of cell phones it is more easy to broadcast it.

With that being said, wouldn't you be more careful of the things you do? Knowing there is a greater chance now than ever to get caught?

[Predicto]

It took twelve pages to somebody to reefer to Chuck Norris :ols:[COLOR="Gold"]



Someone beat me to Cobra Kai. :ols:

[aREDSKIN]

So am I still a bigot LSF? Or does your point now change to men should never hit women in any circumstances?

Admit it, you get riled up by anything that involves women. You called me a bigot for saying she got what she deserved and she knew what she was doing. I'm a damn bleeding heart liberal who supports womens rights but you get all nasty and call me a bigot because I don't agree with you.

IMO LSF's frame of reference is self-admittedly well established here. It's not surprise to understand her response. Predictable to the nth degree.

[skinsfan07]

I can't wait until someone makes a .gif of that. I can't stop laughing!

[DeaconTheVillain]

I can't wait until someone makes a .gif of that. I can't stop laughing!
http://i.imgur.com/HRbNi.gif

Also, full 3:30 vid

Bus driver told her time and time again to get behind the yellow line and she apparently spit on him too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwMvqrBgws&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neogaf.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D495344%26page%3D14

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 07:04 PM ----------

Police detailed incident

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-bus-punch-report-687451[COLOR="Gold"]


According to her Facebook page, Lane, the mother of a four-year-old girl, loves "2 go to church," and considers herself "a people person."

:ols:

[SteveFromYellowstone]

I just rewatched the video and I think people are ignoring the fact that after she hit him, she kept saying "come get some n*gga come get some". She wanted to fight him.

[Pride]

You know what if her daddy would beat her ass, she wouldn't act like that.. The man probably makes 11.50 driver her dumb ass around and has to deal with that crap.. No I'm sorry children have been out of hand for awhile. You put your hands on me I'll do the same thing. You never know when these kids are carrying knives or worse, guns and pull one out. You gotta get the upper hand right off the bat. It's not like he got on top of her and was beating the holy hell out of her.. he hit her once and threw her off the bus.. her dumb ass got back on trying to fight a grown man, and he defended himself.

[aREDSKIN]

I just rewatched the video and I think people are ignoring the fact that after she hit him, she kept saying "come get some n*gga come get some". She wanted to fight him.


Of course she did. F the vagina defense. You bring it expect it back pain and simple. Street.

[Koolblue13]

I just rewatched the video and I think people are ignoring the fact that after she hit him, she kept saying "come get some n*gga come get some". She wanted to fight him.

and he was such a weak individual that he just had to bite on that bait and go punch her. I bet he lost his job, probably has a wife and kids to feed.

Next interview- "so how did your last job end?"

Idiot-"I had to punch some ***** in the jaw to keep my cred"

Brilliant.

[GoSkins561]

Wow, maybe the upper cut shaguyken was over the top, she certainly deserved something, maybe just a back hand??

[Predicto]

IMO LSF's frame of reference is self-admittedly well established here. It's not surprise to understand her response. Predictable to the nth degree.

And understandable, given her life experience. And very useful for all of us. We all live in our own narrow frames of reference and have trouble seeing outside of them to other points of view. Hers is a useful voice on a male-dominated message board community.

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 05:00 PM ----------


I just rewatched the video and I think people are ignoring the fact that after she hit him, she kept saying "come get some n*gga come get some". She wanted to fight him.

So what? He still didn't need to do it, and he outweighs her by 75 pounds. Once we are no longer little children, there is no such thing getting as a free shot at someone because "they started it" - that is not the same as self-defense.

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 05:01 PM ----------


Wow, maybe the upper cut shaguyken was over the top, she certainly deserved something, maybe just a back hand??

What she deserved was to have the police come and escort her off the bus, and maybe charge her with disorderly conduct. Maybe she deserved an assault lawsuit from the driver. But nobody "deserves" getting punched in the face like that. This is the real world, not a movie.

[GoSkins561]

You're right Predicto...

[Predicto]

You're right Predicto...

Oh yeah? What the hell do you know about...

wait, wat?

I... I've never seen that before. Wow. Have you forgotten that this is a message board??!?!?!?!?!

[I_Bleed_B&G]

She did spit, choke and punch him. I don't blame him one bit. I believe it was self defense. What if she had a knife or gun and pulled it out while he was driving

[Koolblue13]

You're right Predicto...

I have no words

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:23 PM ----------


She did spit, choke and punch him. I don't blame him one bit. I believe it was self defense. What if she had a knife or gun and pulled it out while he was driving

what if she was driving a tank on the bus? wat then?

[twa]

She did spit, choke and punch him. I don't blame him one bit. I believe it was self defense. What if she had a knife or gun and pulled it out while he was driving

I don't blame him, but it was still not right

[brandymac27]

So what? He still didn't need to do it, and he outweighs her by 75 pounds. Once we are no longer little children, there is no such thing getting as a free shot at someone because "they started it" - that is not the same as self-defense.[COLOR="Gold"]

What she deserved was to have the police come and escort her off the bus, and maybe charge her with disorderly conduct. Maybe she deserved an assault lawsuit from the driver. But nobody "deserves" getting punched in the face like that. This is the real world, not a movie.

I dunno. It's easy for us to sit back and say what should have been done in a situation like this. And I agree, nobody deserves to get punched in the face like that under normal circumstances. But the fact remains that this girl not only spit in this guy's face, but PUNCHED him as well. Under these particular circumstances, I can't blame the bus driver one bit. I would have probably reacted by taking the ***** by her hair and throwing her out of the damn bus as we were driving down the road. So, yeah, I get completely where the people who say she got what she deserved are coming from.

[visionary]

I have no words

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:23 PM ----------



what if she was driving a tank on the bus? wat then?


:ols:



What if she had WMDs in her pockets?
I mean you never know.
Better to knock her out first and find out later.

[Forehead]

You know, I just watched this for the first time. I know what the police report says, but it looked to me like she hit the guy in orange, not the driver, directly before the altercation.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

I have no words

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:23 PM ----------



what if she was driving a tank on the bus? wat then?

Then I believe everyone would be dead. I'm not sure how should would get the tank on the bus though

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:35 PM ----------


:ols:



What if she had WMDs in her pockets?
I mean you never know.
Better to knock her out first and find out later.

Hey somebody gets it.

[Koolblue13]

Then I believe everyone would be dead. I'm not sure how should would get the tank on the bus though

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:35 PM ----------



Hey somebody gets it.

It's easy to drive a tank onto a bus. They're much heavier.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

It's easy to drive a tank onto a bus. They're much heavier.

Like I said, if she was to drive a tank on the bus, everyone would be dead. Uppercut would be warranted to prevent that from happening

[FSUSkins24]

Compounded further that he's supposedly the adult and she the child.

I don't know this girl's exact age, but she looks older than 18... not sure why everyone keeps calling her a little girl and a child. She very well could be as old as early to mid 20s. The maturity is just lacking.

Not sure how to respond to this. It was a nice punch though, and she obviously thought she could do whatever she wanted without repercussion.

[zoony]

We have a wonderful society. What we need is to send some more money to Israel and start a war in the middle east. No problems here to worry about. Move along

[Koolblue13]

The week I've had, I'd like to punch a little girl in the ****ing face a few times. I feel like Billy Bob in Bad Santa (the greatest christmas movie ever) right now

[brandymac27]

We have a wonderful society. What we need is to send some more money to Israel and start a war in the middle east. No problems here to worry about. Move along

I couldn't have said it better if you paid me.

[Destino]

I don't know this girl's exact age, but she looks older than 18... not sure why everyone keeps calling her a little girl and a child. She very well could be as old as early to mid 20s. The maturity is just lacking.

Not sure how to respond to this. It was a nice punch though, and she obviously thought she could do whatever she wanted without repercussion.
Last I read she was 25.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

and he was such a weak individual that he just had to bite on that bait and go punch her. I bet he lost his job, probably has a wife and kids to feed.

Next interview- "so how did your last job end?"

Idiot-"I had to punch some ***** in the jaw to keep my cred"

Brilliant.

She spit in his face and punched him in the head while he was driving. You know what he could have reacted better, but I don't blame him one bit. I know if someone did that to me I'd have a hard time holding back.

[brandymac27]

Not sure how to respond to this. It was a nice punch though, and she obviously thought she could do whatever she wanted without repercussion.

What pisses me off is how some women feel they can do **** like this (especially to a male) and get away with it just b/c they're a woman and feel there won't be any consequences and repercussions. If you act like a lady, you'll be treated like one. If you act like a barbarian....expect to be treated as such.

---------- Post added October-12th-2012 at 08:55 PM ----------


She spit in his face and punched him in the head while he was driving. You know what he could have reacted better, but I don't blame him one bit. I know if someone did that to me I'd have a hard time holding back.

Couldn't agree with you more.

[Koolblue13]

She spit in his face and punched him in the head while he was driving. You know what he could have reacted better, but I don't blame him one bit. I know if someone did that to me I'd have a hard time holding back.

I wonder if he had anybody reliant on him.

Again, if you can't walk away from a fight and still feel like a man, even the bigger man for doing so, you are the one with a problem.

I've been in the "lets all punch everybody we want" life style and probably been in more fights than most on here and seen some of the worst outcomes from people "doing what's right".

Punching other people is juvenile and if you're punching anybody for any reason other than self perseverance than you're as wrong as this ****ty woman in the video.

Grow up and wage peace at any cost.

[China]

It's easy to drive a tank onto a bus. They're much heavier.

You're right (go to 1:40 of the video).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYQO9jRcTXE

[I_Bleed_B&G]

I don't know this girl's exact age, but she looks older than 18... not sure why everyone keeps calling her a little girl and a child. She very well could be as old as early to mid 20s. The maturity is just lacking.

Not sure how to respond to this. It was a nice punch though, and she obviously thought she could do whatever she wanted without repercussion.
She is 25.. She isn't a child.

Look I don't condone just hitting people for no reason, however you have to be cautious of your surroundings. I've lived in not so pleasant places in the inner city and some crazy stuff goes down everyday. I know, I've been in some mix ups of no fault of my own. (Having empty 40 bottles thrown at me by women as I walk down the street, getting jumped and having to run and jump into my car and drive off while a dude hangs on to my hood through the city and much more)

So maybe I feel differently when someone comes at you acting like a fool. I'm going to protect myself. I've seen some crazy ****. It's easy to say otherwise if you've lived in Fairfax, Bethesda, Rockville and the likes. You may have never experienced such things. I know how the real world can be out there

[Koolblue13]

Thank you China for proving my point. If she had a tank, she should be violently removed from the bus.

[GOSKINS_08]

Good for the bus driver. I love that he nailed the **** out that *****. I agree with him, you act like a man, get treated like a man. And she is 25 btw.

[Kosher Ham]

Love , love, love that a female posted on this thread to shun the instigator of the situation.

I don't admire the man for his actions, at the same time...I ain't mad at him.

[FSUSkins24]

Last I read she was 25.

Yeah I wasn't caught up on the thread... I think I was at page 2 or 3 when I responded. Now I'm caught up and her age doesn't surprise me.

[stevenaa]

Wow. Being a woman doesn't automatically entitle you to being treated like a lady. She assaulted him. If the assaulter had been a man, would his reaction have been acceptable? Gender has no consideration where assault is concerned. Saying a man is never justified in hitting a woman is in the same class as zero tolerance rules. It completely removes common sense from the equation.

[Mr. Sinister]

Paul Phoenix would be proud of that uppercut...

Anyways, I'm not so sure how much the act itself, and the way people on the bus reacted to it, says anything about "Where our society is headed," anymore than it is an affirmation of the way society has always been. It's a cruel world. The guy shouldn't have reacted like that, but I'm not going to crucify him for it, nor would I completely excuse her, or try to defend her for acting like a complete wackjob.

Everyone has a breaking point, and not everyone is going to react positively, with maturity, or whatever else you want to call it, when they probably cope with ****heads on a regular basis, and now have to deal with a crazy chick that just hit him, spit on him, etc. To me, it would say more about the person in "Today's society" who thinks that they can just assault people whenever they want to (and I'm sure she has a history of that) and not expect anything in return, more than it would say about the person that retaliates. Not saying it's right (I probably would've stopped the bus, grabbed her, and tossed her off and called the cops), but not everyone is going to do what's right, or play nice. If I went out and just slugged some random person out in public, I'd be expecting anything and everything. You make your bed, you sleep in it.

And it's not a popular thing to say, but not all man/woman violence scenarios fall under the same umbrella. They just don't. No man should ever hit a woman, in a vacuum. Unfortunately, there's too much black & white in what can occasionally be a very murky situation. A lot of people (myself included) can very easily picture some fragile woman that just got beat to a pulp by her husband for simply demanding that he do something as simple as take out the trash.

Cut and dry punk situations like that (and similar ones) are no brainers. However, there are quite a number of women (and I'm sure it's already been said) that could easily beat an average joe's ass, no problem (and I know one like that), so if you still want to use that line of thinking, I'm a brick wall, but if you want to discuss how a man should react to a woman like that, who initiates violence, determining what kind of method he should use to get her the hell off/away from him, like blocking, grabbing and shoving back, instead of a Burning Fist Uppercut that would take roughly 60% XP from your health bar, I'm all ears. She ought to try MMA though, as she probably should've been knocked out cold.

[DM72]

I don't blame that man. AT ALL.

[KDawg]

Sinister just shot a full court shot at the buzzer and drained it nothing but net.

Great post.

[Koolblue13]

Sinister just shot a full court shot at the buzzer and drained it nothing but net.

Great post.

Punching people is wrong. More punching, doesn't make it better.

[mistertim]

Punching people is wrong. More punching, doesn't make it better.

I dislike violence and I think it is an impractical and unethical solution to problem solving. That said, we have to deal with reality. In an ideal world I would agree with you. But what do you do in this world when it happens?

[Koolblue13]

I dislike violence and I think it is an impractical and unethical solution to problem solving. That said, we have to deal with reality. In an ideal world I would agree with you. But what do you do in this world when it happens?

Walk away. This guy should have called a supervisor and the police. I'm sure he had a radio he could have picked up and asked for immediate assistance. Now, he'll probably be unemployed and get sued, possibly even the bus company will get sued.

[RonArtest15]

She spat on him and then hit him WHILE he was driving????!!???

Good luck finding someone out there who would have had enough self-restraint not to attack her.

[zskins]

Well if her parent(s) had brought her up right with discipline and all then the bus driver wouldn't have to step in.

[Mr. Sinister]

You should walk away from an altercation. You should walk away when someone tries to challenge you to a fight. Not in my right mind would I tell someone to simply "Walk away" once someone puts their hands on you. That makes absolutely no sense (putting it mildly). You have every right to defend yourself once it comes to that. Now, like I said, "Defending yourself" doesn't necessarily mean hitting. You can block their blows, or remove them physically to where they are no longer harmful to you, but if you absolutely have to land a blow to keep them away from you, so be it. If I ever have children, I would teach them exactly that.

It is (or should be ) universally understood that you do not put your hands on another person. Ever. And if you do (whether you started the altercation or not) you should expect something in return. Simply walking away from someone who is willing to attack you face to face does not mean that they won't do it when your back is turned.

[MLSKINS]

The bus drivers first mistake was arguing back with the customer I am pretty sure she started it, but he retaliated back with words. Like that was going to make the situation better.

In the other video, he did tell her to get back behind the yellow lline. That was the right thing to do. There is a sign in front of the bus. There is also a sign that reads something like, "don't" talk to the bus driver while I am driving", or something like that. Right then and there was when the bus should have stopped. I know that is how it is supposed to be handled around here, I would expect that every driver has the right to stop the bus if those rules are broken.

Anyway, my whole deal is that he used too much force. Then again, I don't know if I can say that because after that TS ("Transit-Shoryuken" ..... :D) she kept on coming back for more.

But still, the man said she was going to jail. He obviously had enough sense to say that. So why did he continue and hit her with the TS?

[Mr. Sinister]

The bus drivers first mistake was arguing back with the customer I am pretty sure she started it, but he retaliated back with words. Like that was going to make the situation better.

In the other video, he did tell her to get back behind the yellow lline. That was the right thing to do. There is a sign in front of the bus. There is also a sign that reads something like, "don't" talk to the bus driver while I am driving", or something like that. Right then and there was when the bus should have stopped. I know that is how it is supposed to be handled around here, I would expect that every driver has the right to stop the bus if those rules are broken.

Anyway, my whole deal is that he used too much force. Then again, I don't know if I can say that because after that TS ("Transit-Shoryuken" ..... :D) she kept on coming back for more.

But still, the man said she was going to jail. He obviously had enough sense to say that. So why did he continue and hit her with the TS?

The only thing that was missing was one of those Ed Boon "Whoopsie!"'s from Mortal Kombat. :ols::ols::ols:

I'd have just eaten the hit and just watched her crazy ass get hauled off to jail, waving goodbye.

[No_Pressure]

One of the hallmarks of our new emerging sensibilities is supposed to be gender equality. We can't have gender equality and start talking about why men can't punch women. The conversation would be why people can't punch people, gender should be irrelevant here. It looked like she attacked the bus driver. He wasn't in immediate danger and defending himself when he clocked her in the jaw and is likely going to be in a lot of trouble for that. At the same time I can't say I have much sympathy for the girl. Sometimes that is what happens when you hit somebody else; whether they should or shouldn't they decide to hit back. You can't hit a person and then back up and hide under sexist concepts of how women should be treated, especially in this society where women aren't supposed to be viewed as the weaker sex.

I applaud this bus driver's sense of equality (equal opportunity punching machine), but he shouldn't have hit that person man or woman- at least not with the assumption that he values being employed.

[DM72]

Well if her parent(s) had brought her up right with discipline and all then the bus driver wouldn't have to step in.

Here we go. Whenever someone acts a fool, it's the parents fault.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

This person struck the bus driver while he was sitting in his seat, trying to do his job. Once that woman's fist landed on the side of his head, all bets are off. And once she shows she's willing to commit a violent assault, her gender becomes irrelevant.

MLSKINS, I would have admired the bus driver had he immediately stopped the bus and called police. That would have shown amazing self-control. But I can't fault him either for protecting himself from a person who has already assaulted him.

This. I would personally never hit a woman, under any circumstances (save some life or death ****) but i understand dudes reaction too. So I don't blame him for what he did.

[brandymac27]

This. I would personally never hit a woman, under any circumstances (save some life or death ****) but i understand dudes reaction too. So I don't blame him for what he did.

I understand completely why most men would never hit a woman. They're physically stronger and capable of really hurting a female, but I totally get why he hit this girl. She acted like a lunatic, and when she instigated the whole episode by spitting on the driver and punching him the head, like DanT said, all bets are off. Female or not, this chic got exactly what she deserved.

[Koolblue13]

Just want to say that even though I don't think there is any reason outside of defense to punch anybody, I don't feel bad for this girl at all. She did earn that. They were both wrong though

[KDawg]

Punching people is wrong. More punching, doesn't make it better.

I don't disagree.

But, when you punch someone, and spit on them, you get what you get. He handled it wrong, but I have a hard time looking at this and saying the guy is a bad human being.

He made a poor choice.

[Koolblue13]

I don't disagree.

But, when you punch someone, and spit on them, you get what you get. He handled it wrong, but I have a hard time looking at this and saying the guy is a bad human being.

He made a poor choice.I never said he was a poor human being and I said she earned it.

But there is far to much cheering for this guy in this thread and that's just ****ed up.

I bet a large majority of the people in this thread and also never been punched or punched anybody else. Certainly not like this guy did. Now start thinking of all the people who have never punched anybody, who probably all think they can jack anybody up like that guy did that woman. It ain't right to think like that.

[KDawg]

I never said he was a poor human being and I said she earned it.

But there is far to much cheering for this guy in this thread and that's just ****ed up.

I bet a large majority of the people in this thread and also never been punched or punched anybody else. Certainly not like this guy did. Now start thinking of all the people who have never punched anybody, who probably all think they can jack anybody up like that guy did that woman. It ain't right to think like that.

Oh, I agree.

Being someone that works in security as a part time gig, I've been in many confrontations and I've only had two incidents in almost 8 years where I had to use my fists. It's really not as fun as people think it is. In fact, it's not fun at all. I don't believe in throwing punches at people. I've had females in fights with each other that literally attempted to dig their nails into my larynx while I was breaking it up. I never hit her, despite how bad I wanted to. Instead I got her in a rear naked choke with VERY light pressure and she instantly calmed down to the point that I let her go and the other guards secured her.

[Koolblue13]

Oh, I agree.

Being someone that works in security as a part time gig, I've been in many confrontations and I've only had two incidents in almost 8 years where I had to use my fists. It's really not as fun as people think it is. In fact, it's not fun at all. I don't believe in throwing punches at people. I've had females in fights with each other that literally attempted to dig their nails into my larynx while I was breaking it up. I never hit her, despite how bad I wanted to. Instead I got her in a rear naked choke with VERY light pressure and she instantly calmed down to the point that I let her go and the other guards secured her.

Because walking over and jacking her the **** up with a nasty upper cut is wrong? :ols:

People see this crap and think they would know how to handle it, even though the closest they've gotten was being at the same club or on the internet and think they're tough.

Tough is being able to handle this situation without losng your cool and throwing down.

Cheers on you KDawg,

[KDawg]

Because walking over and jacking her the **** up with a nasty upper cut is wrong? :ols:

People see this crap and think they would know how to handle it, even though the closest they've gotten was being at the same club or on the internet and think they're tough.

Tough is being able to handle this situation without losng your cool and throwing down.

Cheers on you KDawg,

I got the last laugh anyways. She left part of her weave on the ground after I had her in the rear naked choke. So I, very immaturely said, after she was escorted out, "I can't beWEAVE her hair wasn't real!"

I was wrong to do that :(

[Destino]

Oh, I agree.

Being someone that works in security as a part time gig, I've been in many confrontations and I've only had two incidents in almost 8 years where I had to use my fists. It's really not as fun as people think it is. In fact, it's not fun at all. I don't believe in throwing punches at people. I've had females in fights with each other that literally attempted to dig their nails into my larynx while I was breaking it up. I never hit her, despite how bad I wanted to. Instead I got her in a rear naked choke with VERY light pressure and she instantly calmed down to the point that I let her go and the other guards secured her.

A rear naked choke is arguably more dangerous than a punch. I'm pretty sure certain police forces have been discouraged from using it. People react to punches and slaps more emotionally than they do to things that are more dangerous. I'd argue that his throwing her from the bus after the upper cut was far more irresponsible and dangerous than the punch. Think about it. Perhaps the outrage is in large part cultural.

[Park City Skins]

Well for starters that wasn't that great of a shot. Needs to work on that a bit. The great shot is the one most people don't get up from. She was ready for more,(could be tough gal there),in a short amount of time. :) More importantly though,his was retaliation without being in self defense. Those two many times work together,but not in this case. He got up about 95% sure he was going to hit her,thought about it a second,channeled that anger,then unloaded. Not the greatest way to handle things especially if one wants to keep their job. I understand the frustration he felt,(been there had the shot,but didn't take it),but gotta take a breath and reach for the phone. Or at least try. I won't lie though. A part of me wants sees the video and says " careful what you wish for girl....".

[KDawg]

A rear naked choke is arguably more dangerous than a punch. I'm pretty sure certain police forces have been discouraged from using it. People react to punches and slaps more emotionally than they do to things that are more dangerous. I'd argue that his throwing her from the bus after the upper cut was far more irresponsible and dangerous than the punch. Think about it. Perhaps the outrage is in large part cultural.

Like I said, I didn't apply it with anything except light pressure. She didn't even gag. She was just in a position where she knew if I wanted to I could choke her out. And she calmed right down.

[Destino]

Like I said, I didn't apply it with anything except light pressure. She didn't even gag. She was just in a position where she knew if I wanted to I could choke her out. And she calmed right down.

I believe you. Applied correctly a rear naked delivers the "you lose" message clearly and convincingly even without squeezing. My only point was that the reaction to the punch seems to outweighs the danger or even the shock value. The act of striking a women is really more the point here than why, how, or legality. This thread is similar to the one in which the cop punched the girl that attacked him at IHOP/Denny's.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?346571-Video-Atlanta-cop-woman-in-fight-at-IHOP-(two-videos-and-star-wars)

[Koolblue13]

I got the last laugh anyways. She left part of her weave on the ground after I had her in the rear naked choke. So I, very immaturely said, after she was escorted out, "I can't beWEAVE her hair wasn't real!"

I was wrong to do that :(

No you weren't :ols:


A rear naked choke is arguably more dangerous than a punch. I'm pretty sure certain police forces have been discouraged from using it. People react to punches and slaps more emotionally than they do to things that are more dangerous. I'd argue that his throwing her from the bus after the upper cut was far more irresponsible and dangerous than the punch. Think about it. Perhaps the outrage is in large part cultural.
Maybe. I see your point, but the RNC from a professional is certainly a more controlled situation.


Well for starters that wasn't that great of a shot. Needs to work on that a bit. The great shot is the one most people don't get up from. She was ready for more,(could be tough gal there),in a short amount of time. :) More importantly though,his was retaliation without being in self defense. Those two many times work together,but not in this case. He got up about 95% sure he was going to hit her,thought about it a second,channeled that anger,then unloaded. Not the greatest way to handle things especially if one wants to keep their job. I understand the frustration he felt,(been there had the shot,but didn't take it),but gotta take a breath and reach for the phone. Or at least try. I won't lie though. A part of me wants sees the video and says " careful what you wish for girl....".That's a great point. He was a large man, free shotting a woman. He probably had 100lbs on her and has probably hit several people before. If you get a clear free shot on somebodies jaw and lift them off the ground with it and don't knock them out, you've got some learning to do if you want to keep hitting people. :ols:

[Dan T.]

Police detailed incident

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-bus-punch-report-687451

So, according to witnesses, this woman was also drunk, refused to pay her fare when she boarded the bus, and belligerent from the start.

[KDawg]

So, according to witnesses, this woman was also drunk, refused to pay her fare when she boarded the bus, and belligerent from the start.

This woman becomes more tolerable with each passing moment!

[brandymac27]

This woman becomes more tolerable with each passing moment!

LOL..pretty much!

[Koolblue13]

I'm not saying I wouldn't get on a bus drunk in the middle of the day and refuse to pay the fair and be belligerent, but I wouldn't hit anybody and if I tried to spit, it would have dribbled.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

I think a lot of this thread is just people inherently feeling that a man punching a woman is wrong and finding ways to justify their view. I guarantee there wouldn't be so many angry people in this thread saying the bus driver was wrong if it was a man he hit. Maybe he could have reacted better but this man was not the one to blame. This 25 year old woman is belligerently drunk, refuses to pay her fare, spits in his face and punches him in the head while he was driving, THEN proceeds to repeat "come get some n*gga come get some".

[NLC1054]

Ehh, the more that comes out, the more I think the bus driver was somewhat justified to hit her.

I still think once he punched her he should've pushed her out of the bus and been done with it instead of choking her out, but yeah, as someone who would never lay a finger on a woman, this girl was asking for it. It goes against everything I believe in when it comes to a man hitting a woman, but if I'm being totally honest with myself, I can say that given those circumstances I wouldn't act in a similiar manner. Maybe not a straight uppercut, but at LEAST a Stone Cold Stunner. Or a Rock Bottom. Seems more like you could use a Rock Bottom in a fight.

[twa]

They need to issue tazers :)

[mistertim]

A tazer would be pretty justifiable there, I think.

[MLSKINS]

It's funny how many times my view has changed on the story when the facts kept coming out.

At first I was pissed at both, but really mad ate the dude because the dude hit a little girl.

When I found out she wasn't a little girl, I was pissed at both, but pissed at the dude because he used too much force on the lady.

When I found out she spit on him, I was still pissed at both, but now I am pissed more at the lady because she is the one costing all of this mess. But still mad at the dude for using too much force...

Now the lady was didn't pay and was drunk :ols: The dude still used too much force, but with her being drunk, can I really blame him for attacking her the way he did. If he knew she was drunk, he was probably thinking she was going to attack her again. So he did what he had to do.

I can't fault him anymore for not doing what I would have done. Again, he could have did it better, but with all of this information that has came out, I don't think the driver should get fired.

:2cents: