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TheDoyler23
March-16th-2004, 08:15 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61335-2004Mar15.html

For Orioles, a Deal May Be in Cards
Gibbons for a Pitcher Is a Possibility
By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 16, 2004; Page D05


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., March 15 -- The Baltimore Orioles' spring training camp officially entered its critical phase Monday morning -- 20 days before Opening Night -- when the front office and Manager Lee Mazzilli met to discuss personnel and debate the wisdom of various roster permutations, pitching staff alignments and trade possibilities.



By the end of the week, the Orioles expect to make a sizeable round of cuts and begin zeroing in on decisions they must make on their starting rotation and bench.

"We just went over the roster man by man, trying to see how things are going to fit," Mazzilli said. Later, he added, "You've got three weeks left, and a lot of things can happen. Things can change day to day."

Mazzilli may have been hinting at the growing possibility of a significant trade in the coming weeks, as the Orioles continue to explore ways to add a proven starting pitcher. One such trade possibility might also provide a way to ease the Orioles' outfield logjam.

The Orioles have made it known since December that they would make right fielder Jay Gibbons available for the right trade, and they may have found a willing partner in the Los Angeles Dodgers -- who are seeking to trade a starting pitcher for a hitter.

Orioles Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations Jim Beattie acknowledged the Orioles' desire to add a proven starting pitcher but declined to address specifics.

The Dodgers have had a scout following the Orioles regularly this spring, and according to a league source, they have targeted left fielder Larry Bigbie, offering a starting pitcher such as left-handers Odalis Perez or Kaz Ishii in return. However, the Orioles are believed to be unwilling to part with Bigbie, preferring to send Gibbons, 27, to the Dodgers.

According to an Orioles source, the Dodgers have not shown a willingness to give up 20-year-old right-hander Edwin Jackson, ranked by Baseball America as the top pitching prospect in baseball.

Gibbons said he took note of the fact he was the only veteran player to make both ends of a back-to-back road stretch last week to Fort Myers, Fla., and Viera, Fla., which involved a total of nearly 10 hours on buses -- a sign the team might be showcasing him for a trade -- but otherwise declined to comment on the trade speculation.

Gibbons, the Orioles' most valuable player after driving in 100 runs last season, has struggled this spring but went 2 for 3 with a double and two RBI on Monday, raising his spring average to .217 with one homer and six RBI.

If Gibbons is in fact on the block, it is because the Orioles are facing difficult decisions in the outfield. The team would like to carry both B.J. Surhoff and Jack Cust -- both of whom, like Gibbons, are left-handed-hitting corner outfielders -- but may be forced to let one go unless an opening develops.

Cust, a 25-year-old with enormous power potential, is out of major league options, meaning he would have to be passed through waivers to send to the minors. Team officials believe firmly Cust would be claimed if exposed to the waiver wire.

In addition, the Orioles on Monday started infielder Jose Bautista, a Rule 5 draftee whom they must keep on their roster all season or lose him, in left field for the first time this spring -- another indication they may be looking for additional options in the outfield if Gibbons is traded.

"We want to see him out there," Mazzilli said of Bautista. "You have to keep your options open."

In terms of long-term strategy for their outfield, the Orioles, with some $18 million in salary room coming available after this season, may target free agent outfielders Carlos Beltran and, or, Magglio Ordoņez after this season.


I know the Orioles need starting pitching, but trade Gibbons? I was all for trading Hairston for a pitcher, becuase the orioles have Roberts and another excellent prospect at 2b.
Gibbons was the 'MVO' last year with a nagging wrist injury, and has yet to hit the top of his abilities. I know that Cust is out of options so he has to stay, but if it means keeping him and Gibbons and cutting a very well liked player in Surhoff, then so be it.
:soapbox:

jaxskins
March-16th-2004, 08:23 AM
This is nutz I know we have alot of outfielders but to deal gibbons for a pitcher is crazy. Why are they so worried about cust who has yet to show me he can put up big numbers when Gibbons already is showing big numbers. This dosen't make sense to me.

Here we have a nice core of young players and now they want to start trading one of our best young hitters away. Somebody needs to slap some sense into our front office.

Now if they can get Jackson for Gibbons I would be ok with that but thats it.

TD_washingtonredskins
March-16th-2004, 11:59 AM
I wouldn't like this move one bit.

I understand the need for pitching but I'd rather see them part with Raffy or something.

Anyway, I hope they can find a way to gain a pitcher and not lose Jay!

sippin2020
March-16th-2004, 12:03 PM
Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Sounds like classic Orioles mistakes. Lets trade away the young talent and try to win now.....in the same division as the Red Sox and Yankees. The only way the O's can compete is by developing their own talent and signing key free agents.

We need pitching but at what cost in the long run?

Smooty
March-16th-2004, 02:40 PM
Gibbons is a FA next year. He is the odd man out. Beltran will be the O's #1 goal next offseason. Matos,Bigbe,Beltran is a solid outfield.

Funkyalligator
March-16th-2004, 02:55 PM
Okay.....Gibbons is an okay player but remember he is 27.......and goes into some big slumps......if they can trade him for a great pitching prospect or young pitcher I say do it.....Bigbie and Cust we should keep over him....

bofluid
March-16th-2004, 06:25 PM
If the Dodgers relent and offer Edwin Jackson the O's have to take that deal.

TheDoyler23
March-16th-2004, 06:54 PM
Smooty, the Orioles own his rights through 2006.

Funkyalligator, I wouldn't call Gibbons the odd man out since Raffy is 39 years old and Gibbons could slide over to first base if Raffy goes down or retires after this year. Cust, Bigbie and Matos are all unproven players. if they don't pan out and the O's trade Gibbons, then they'll have 3 holes in the outfield. As for Gibbons getting into slumps, I think he held his own pretty darn well considering he was the only all around Orioles producer besides Mora and Conine (who was traded).

AJWatson3
March-17th-2004, 04:00 PM
gibbons is gonna be awesome, and i would expect him to take over the DH/1B role next year, when we hopefully sign Mags Ordonez!!!

we need to be patient with our young pitching instead of trading a great prospect for an overrated vet.

BadKarma
March-17th-2004, 05:25 PM
Gibbons is a role player, if the Orioles have a chance to develop some younger talent (cust, bigbie, matos) and and at the same time pickup a potential starting pitcher I say do it. Its not like sir sidney is going to get us to the world series. :2cents: Besides I never liked looking at that beak gibbons has for a nose.

SlickNick
March-18th-2004, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by BadKarma
Besides I never liked looking at that beak gibbons has for a nose.

ha ha ha

:whippin:

TheDoyler23
March-18th-2004, 08:07 PM
As for developing younger talent, the 3 players you meantioned are w/in 2 years of age of Gibbons. None of which have had solid experience. Why trade away someone who put up 100 rbi last year in a lineup of duds?

SlickNick
March-19th-2004, 08:41 AM
We need pitching NOW. Ponson is the only decent pitcher in the rotation, and he was playing for a contract last year. I say they work out a deal with the Pirates for Kris Benson.

He is 2 years removed from TJ surgery, and should be primed for a big year. He would get hit a little harder in Camden, but he's got good enough velocity to get away with a few mistakes here and there.

Maxito
March-19th-2004, 11:09 PM
Mike Flanagan stated that they are not going to trade Gibbons, on a radio interview.

AJWatson3
March-20th-2004, 01:56 PM
great to hear that from Flanny. i figured as much since the organization said we are building to make a run in 2-3 years, when the young pitching is ready. makes no sense to trade away our best young offensive player!

bulldog
March-20th-2004, 09:03 PM
the Orioles have improved their ability to produce runs but still lack experience and consistency on the staff and that is likely going to prevent the team from retaking 3rd place from the Blue Jays in 2004, unless some of the younger arms come around quicker than is expected.

this team is going to be in a lot of 7-5 type games and the opportunity to acquire a #2 starter than can come in and provide some stability would be very valuable.

I would not be averse to trading Gibbons per se, however, the O's should be getting an arm back that is signed for at least 2 seasons.

Merely acquiring a rental player that will be a FA in 2005 is not good value from this side.

BlitzFiftySix
March-20th-2004, 09:13 PM
I heard an interview with Sidney Ponson this past week, when asked about the trade rumors involving Gibbons he replied, "I dunt no nuthin bout no trades." "All's I no is that one means fassball, two means curve, and tree is slider." (spoken in his native dialect)

Funniest answer I've ever heard by a major leaguer when asked about personnel moves ever. Normally you get the expected cliche. Ponson is hillarious.

TD_washingtonredskins
March-22nd-2004, 11:26 AM
Great, Sid just gave our signs away....hahaha. Just kidding.