Should pot be legalized?

[Ænima]

I think it definitely should be.

[Chopper Dave]

Absolutely. Not that it would affect me one way or another.... :paranoid:

[bird_1972]

I say live and let live. The government would save a lot of money and effort by legalizing it I think. There should definitely be an age limit to use it.

[aREDSKIN]

Put me in the yes column.

[Funkyalligator]

Without a doubt....it would make the government a ton of money.....it should be regulated similar to alcohol and taxed as such...the government would not only save money on trying to fight the war against pot it would also bring in billions of dollars from its sale. There are states whose main cash crop is pot....it is just part of their underground economy....plus there are many uses for hemp itself from its oil to its fiber....

additionally there are the medicinal uses for it....

[Mr. S]

yes, there are long-term effects of using it, but those also exist with smoking and drinking. The government could make a lot of money off of it. Also, I think countries who have legalized pot are not doing bad in any way, they seem to rather enjoy themselves. We'd save all the money we spend on fighting pot, and we'd have the government control it, so we can make it all home-grown here and therefore not have to deal with getting it overseas and potentially supporting terrorists. Plus it'd help bring in a lot of money, just restrict it as we do alcohol, no bonging and driving and whatever.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

This is increasingly becoming a question to which most people answer "yes."

I'd include other drugs too, because it wasn't like the society was going to hell when they were legal(and prescribed by doctors like coke and laudanum were)

[EvilMonkeyBoy]

Being stoned myself at this moment, I'll say yes.

[jmwills1]

I would have to say yes. I smoke occasionaly and i have never done anything wrong when im stoned. When Im drunk though I make bad decisions and do stupid stuff. When Im stoned, I watch sports or movies and play video games, or walk around on nice days. It doesnt hurt anybody

[Ravens777]

I will have to log in with a big YES. Let the GOVERMENT have control over the distribution and even throw a tax on it. Think of how much crime would go down. Like beer is less dangerous..

[semiskin]

While I am not against the use of marijuana for either medical or recreational purposes, I think our country as a whole has an addictive personality. If it were ever leaglized people would abuse of the substance even more than it is abused nowadays. Our country cannot seem to do many things in moderation and this is definitely one of them that would not be used in moderation.

[OrangeSkin]

I'd have to agree with all the folks saying yes...this is a more overwhelming response than I'd thought it'd be, one way or the other.

[Prosperity]

I never have nor will smoke marajuana, but who am I to stop other people?

[Coach Williams]

I never really got into that much so don't know what to think.....

[Prosperity]

Is that a picture of the WTC attacks?

[triple6mafia]

i don't see why not

[BG]

I used top smoke about 5 or 6 years ago and have no desire to anymore. I don't see the reason anymore why it is illegal. Actually I do, the government is making money off of the drug trade so, that keeps the under-the-table money out of their pockets.

All drugs should be legal. If someone wants to kill themselves with drugs, let 'em do it. There are plenty of rehab centers out there that one could check themselves into. If we are free to kill oursleves with cigarettes and alcohol, then why not Heroin and Cocaine?

Stupid waste of money on a drug war that should never have ever taken place.

Think about how much money we spend on that sh*t and how much money the government could make from regulating it.....:rolleyes:

[BG]

You know a big argument that NORML was making years ago was that hemp legalization if not instituded right, could destry the entire textile industry. They say that the amount of raw products that could be derived from hemp was rediculous. Oils, gas, paper, cloth and other forms that would render things such as plastic, sugar, velcro vinyl and even drywall would just snowball...

I dunno, I pretty much don't buy that sh*t at all, but there is a shard of truth to that. Hemp can be grown in much more cost effective environments than all of these other resources.

I am talking bout Cannibas Sativa. Not the legal hemp that has been used for years. It is the oils in the buds that apparently can be harvested for so much........

[Buddha]

Well one benefit would be that traffic congestion would decrease since no one would be able to find their cars.

[RaleighSkinsMann]

I say live and let live. The government would save a lot of money and effort by legalizing it I think. There should definitely be an age limit to use it.



Thats true but the govt would never do it because they already make a helluvalot of money from it ........legal fees,court costs, tickets, fines, and whatever else they want.................

[TLusby]

I believe in personal responsibility and liberties. If someone wants to smoke pot that is his/her private right and the government should not have a say; however, penalties should be heavily increased for operating machinery while under the influence or while having any residual effects.

[poidog22]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with it, but didn't really expect to see so many folks with an "aye" vote.....:bong:

[Thiebear]

You cant make smoking illegal basically and then legalize pot smoking..
The effects are your lungs and other peoples lungs are the same???

Besides how many 2nd hand smoke excuses for car accidents and then all of the sueings...

All the people driving 40 down the highway... good lord...
The veggie farmers going out of business due to the munchie industry taking off...

Take all of the alcohol issues and double it for pot....
They have to sue the "Cannibis inc" billions for all of the medical related costs per state...
They have to raise taxes to hire more school security guards to herd up the high kids and direct them back to school.
They have to raise taxes to pay farmers not to plant pot and pland actual food that doesnt make as much money.

[Buford]

If they made it legal, they could sell it in packs like Cigs....charge like $15 a pack with $10 of that going to the Gov't.....let that money pay for schools and other programs. Treat it like booze. If you get caught driving on it.....busted. If you go to work on it....fired..... etc. Obviously you'd need to find a way to test for it quickly......but....I'm sure they could do that.

We'd have little coffee shops all over the place like Amsterdam style.

[Cskin]

IamBG has it right. I want Hemp legalized for no other reason than to take advantage of the huge applications the Hemp plant has the potential to create. Paper, clothes, wood, gasoline alternatives. Furthermore, Hemp can be grown again and again on the same land with little negative effects on the soil.

As for smoking hemp... I'm with those who say live and let live. An infrequent hit on the couch after a stressful day seems harmless to me.

[Mooney]

Uh...what was the question? :cool:

[big z]

no...don't legalize it. it's illegal now and i can get it anytime, and for a decent price, but i don't want kids having easier access than they do already.....

[Kilmer17]

Absolutely. Light it up people. And lets tax the bejeezus out of it. Ive seen estimates that the big tobacco companies could sell the equivalent of a dime bag for 10 dollars and make a huge profit. Then let the Govt come in and tax it to 20.00 and it's STILL cheaper than what it costs on the street.

Everybody wins.

Not to mention the significant benefits of hemp.

[codeorama]

Originally posted by Bufford 3.0
If they made it legal, they could sell it in packs like Cigs....charge like $15 a pack with $10 of that going to the Gov't.....let that money pay for schools and other programs. Treat it like booze. If you get caught driving on it.....busted. If you go to work on it....fired..... etc. Obviously you'd need to find a way to test for it quickly......but....I'm sure they could do that.

We'd have little coffee shops all over the place like Amsterdam style.

I agree with this.

I don't smoke it and actually never have, but I'd rather see the govt profit from it rather than spending money on enforcement.
I feel the same way about prostitution.

[jbooma]

The issue though is the pot today is not the same as the pot in the past. So what pot do you want to legalize? I see a problem with the newer pot because it is much stonger and often laced with something. Most people wouldn't like the weak pot and would still buy the other pot on the street and we would still have issues.

I don't think employees would want their workers taking pot breaks or smelling like pot around clients :laugh:

I am also curious if any parents on this poll answered yes and what would they do if they caught their children smoking today :cool:

[Symbol]

Put me in the no column, and I live in California.

[WallyG3]

I'm on the fence with this one. More leaning towards Yes though.

I agree with most that it could be a major source of tax revenue, and may reduce crime (a little), but the argument that it is not any more dangerous than alcohol is dumb. I can't tell you the last time I was drunk, but I drink beer and wine a few times a week.

Can you have a drink and still be perfectly sober? Of course.
Can you smoke weed and still be perfectly sober? Nope.
That's the difference, and my only concern.

However, I think the positives outweigh the negatives.

Now go get some Funyuns you potheads!!

[Kilmer17]

Sober and safe are different terms.

1 beer will have some affect on your abilities. Even a minute one. 2 beers in most people within a certain time frame will make you legally drunk. Can you still function? Sure, but the same can be said for some people after smoking some pot.

Treat it like booze. Employers can forbid their employees to use it on the job as they do with booze.

[Symbol]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
Sober and safe are different terms.

1 beer will have some affect on your abilities. Even a minute one. 2 beers in most people within a certain time frame will make you legally drunk. Can you still function? Sure, but the same can be said for some people after smoking some pot.

Treat it like booze. Employers can forbid their employees to use it on the job as they do with booze.

I've known someone to die after one joint, never know anyone to die after one beer.

[Kilmer17]

You know someone that died as a result of smoking 1 joint? The pot killed him/her?

[codeorama]

Hell, I know someone that died from a cheeseburger.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
I see a problem with the newer pot because it is much stonger and often laced with something.

Man... how do you go through life with such ignorance?

That is such a freakin farce it's beyond stupidity. Laced!?!

There's no "lacing". The only way to put other illicit material in with pot is to add it when you're rolling a joint.

10/10 people who smoke mary jane aren't rolling crack-cocaine or angel dust in it.

[carlsbadd]

I am really torn over this issue. I think that medical use and the production of hemp products are a good thing.
I don't really care if people get high or not but it does slow your reaction time if you are driving.
My concern is that I don't think that making another intoxcicant legal is a good thing.
On the other hand there are ton's of people and children over medicated already on legal drugs.
The only thing that would make me want to make it legal is to keep the thousands of otherwise good people out of prisons for getting high. In Virginia if you get caught with pot while driving you have to go to a mandated drug program and it's a waste of time and money. The prison system has become a cottage industry and it's really out of hand.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by Symbol


I've known someone to die after one joint, never know anyone to die after one beer.

I've known people to die from cigarettes, second-hand smoke, alcohol, diabetes (stemming from overconsumption of carhohydrates), etc. All legal stuff ain't they.

And if you're friend died from smoking a joint.. they didn't die from smokin a joint. They had bigger problems dude. It might as well have been a cigarette.. it wouldn't have mattered.

[Die Hard]

Although people may be advocating the legalization of marijuana... I don't think anyone is advocating the right to drive stoned (ie. impaired). Or while working.

If you're going to make an argument against it... don't make up such nonsensical points.

[cowboykilla]

Laced? Are you crazy?

Check this: I'm in college, and without putting myself out there, I'll tell you a few stories from the college environment. Obviously, I'm not talking about sipipng on beer, I'm talking about guzzling two 40 oz's and rolling out. After 2 OE's you are ready to taste flesh. Even with regular beer, I've seen so much go down over nothing just because both parties were housed and their endocrine was PUMPING.

I also have experiences with marijuana, and when you take it to that extreme, you want to chill out, listen to music, watch a movie, and eat some Doritos. I'll roll out to a party and talk to some people, but hey, there isn't one ounce of anger anywhere to be found.

I think if you've experienced both you know what I'm talking about.

If used in very small amounts, maybe alcohol has less effects on your cerebellum. But who do you know that always uses alcohol/indo in small amounts? When used in large amounts which one pointed out Americans like to do, marijuana is extremely safer.

[Funkyalligator]

Please state facts for someone that died from smoking one joint.....that is impossible.....were they allergic to something...what was the situation.....were they possibly drinking at the same time while driving a car and smoking crack too.....to just say that one joint killed someone is just plain dumb....even government studies have shown that you would have to smoke pounds of pot to die from it...

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Man... how do you go through life with such ignorance?

That is such a freakin farce it's beyond stupidity. Laced!?!

There's no "lacing". The only way to put other illicit material in with pot is to add it when you're rolling a joint.

10/10 people who smoke mary jane aren't rolling crack-cocaine or angel dust in it.

DH I am around people that get arrested for it so I would know so why don't you just :stfu:

The bud today is grown differently and is stronger then what we were used to say 15 years ago. It gives a longer and stronger buzz. This is the pot that is very popular with the young crowd.

Now I didn't say all the pot was laced but we do get a good amount. The bottom line is the weed today is stronger then the weed in the past.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
Now I didn't say all the pot was laced but we do get a good amount. The bottom line is the weed today is stronger then the weed in the past.

There's 100 proof alcohol correct? Does that mean you chug a 40 oz of it?

You can do shots correct? Maybe a drink or two? I assume the people you hang around with can control the quanity of food and drink they consume?

Just like pot. You can take a hit, you can smoke a pinner, you can share a joint... you can smoke a joint by yourself... you can smoke a big fatty.

You catchin my drift?

Regardless of the strength of weed... it's about self-control.

What's the difference between sucking back 12 beers and getting stupid drunk or smoking a blunt?

Both get your wrecked correct?

And since no one is advocating the right to drive while impaired... I fail to see your point on anything.

[big z]

seriously guys....the bottom line is this...anyone who wants to smoke it now...can.

Putting it out there legally makes it that much easier for kids to get it and we do not want even more of the children of American smoking weed.

You think our education system is fckd now....wait til we have potheads in school....if they make it to school. Weed is a lazy drug. Sure, it's good to take the edge off and relax, but it can be addictive and the usage would be even more rampant than it is now....it is not worth the "extra cash" it would generate for the govt. :cannibas: and yeah, i smoke half a joint on the way to work this morning......

[Kilmer17]

I think legallizing makes it HARDER for young kids to get it. It would have a minimum age to buy.

So the kids who used to get it illegally will still have to get it illegally. BUT, those distributing it illegally will have lost a huge market base (those over 21) and many will go out of business or have to raise their prices to make up for lost revenue.

[big z]

i could see that kilmer.

although I wonder how many kids under 18 are smoking tobacco today, and how many under 21 are drinking alcohol?

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
DH I am around people that get arrested for it so I would know so why don't you just :stfu:

I know people that smoke marijuana and also ingest more illicit drugs. The difference is... I don't associate one drug with the other.

Don't smoke marijuana... because if you smoke it with crack... it's bad :laugh:

Your friends have bad dealers. And you hang around a bad crowd.

But it's good to know that dealers are lacing drugs with cocaine. I can see why. Risk the life of your customers... and ensure they'll never come back to you because you've sold them altered drugs. All the while pumping a few hundred bucks into marijuana to sell if for a fraction of the cost (marijauan price). Happens all the time. :rolleyes:

You know what the problem with "chemical" drugs is? They cut it with baking powder and other cheaper substances so they can increase profit margin.

They don't just give away the crap. So if you think that drug dealers are going to waste their time and money "lacing" marijuana for harder substances.. you're nuts.

But keep the hyperboles coming... it's humorous.

[Kilmer17]

Plenty of kids are smoking underage and drinking underage. And plenty are smoking pot illegally. I simply saying that that number wont INCREASE because we legallize pot, in fact I think it would decrease because of supply/demand market forces.

[chiefhogskin48]

I can see why people are saying yes, but more people would certainly smoke weed if it were the same as smoking cigarettes.

As someone mentioned earlier, weed makes people (ie a good portion of my friends) extremely lazy and unmotivated to do anything. It may not be technically addictive, but they are definitely addicted to it. They crave it, almost above anything else. I think it would hurt our country tremendously to have a nation that abuses marijuana. We're not very good at doing things in moderation as someone mentioned; this holds true especially for teenagers and young adults.

[flashback]

I fully support marijuana legalization and regulation. The best way to keep it out of kids hands is to make it expensive. The best way to keep farmers growing 'wholesome' crops is to make their profits low. The government would make a mint buying cannabis at rock-bottom prices from farmers, and selling it at $60 or more dollars an ounce. But it has to be regulated like tobacco. If you get caught with homegrown, you pay a fine.

And its a bit naive to think that legalization won't lead to more use by kids. No matter how expensive you make it, it's still easy to snag it off the coffee table while your dad is in the kitchen making cinnamon-honey-peanut butter toast.

I am a parent, and if I caught my kids smoking I would do 2 things. The first is something I'm already doing, which is teaching them that their bodies are to be treated with respect and they have to be very careful about what they put in them and how they treat them, and that this stuff is bad for their lungs and their brains. I'm sure the talk will get more sophisticated as they get older, but you get the idea. The other thing is I would find out where they got it, and make sure that source is gone forever. Turning in other kids or other parents, changing schools, kicking my brother-in-laws ass, whatever it takes.

However, when the kid isn't looking, I wouldn't be that upset that they smoked pot. I'd forbid it, and keep them away from the opportunity to smoke it as best I could, but I wouldn't really freak out unless they tried something addictive, like cigarettes or heroin.

[big z]

can you imagine if your dad caught you and said, "now son, i'm gonna have to teach you a valuable lesson. goto your room and you can't come out til you smoke the WHOLE PACK."

i'd be like...fkn-a dad....i can listen to my music right?


:laugh:

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by flashback
The other thing is I would find out where they got it, and make sure that source is gone forever. Turning in other kids or other parents, changing schools, kicking my brother-in-laws ass, whatever it takes.

However, when the kid isn't looking, I wouldn't be that upset that they smoked pot. I'd forbid it, and keep them away from the opportunity to smoke it as best I could, but I wouldn't really freak out unless they tried something addictive, like cigarettes or heroin.

changing schools or turning in a kid/parent isn't "freaking" out?

there is nothing wrong with marijuana.. i will smoke it whether it is legal or not.. i do not sell it so i could care less if the gov't legalized it.. the only difference is i wouldn't have to hide it..

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


I know people that smoke marijuana and also ingest more illicit drugs. The difference is... I don't associate one drug with the other.

Don't smoke marijuana... because if you smoke it with crack... it's bad :laugh:

Your friends have bad dealers. And you hang around a bad crowd.


DH since you know everything :rolleyes:

You would have known that one of the most popular tactics by gangs today is to add substances to their weed to make it more addictive. Then the kids that are buying their weed will continue to keep coming back for more since that weed to the kids is better then the normal weed.

You are the fool that suggested I meant laced with heavy drugs, there other things you can put in pot that make it more addictive. Actually what we have found one of the most common substances it is laced with is x.

Maybe you need to get off your throne one day and see that you may not know everything.

:doh:

[Funkyalligator]

jbooma...lacing weed with x is just plain dumb....the cost of x is way more than weed....they would be losing money on every bag they sold.....from a drug dealing perspective it doesn't make economic sense........also it is very easy to tell if weed has been laced...I haven't seen any laced weed in 10+ years........

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
jbooma...lacing weed with x is just plain dumb....the cost of x is way more than weed....they would be losing money on every bag they sold.....from a drug dealing perspective it doesn't make economic sense........also it is very easy to tell if weed has been laced...I haven't seen any laced weed in 10+ years........

I didn't say it was smart, but that is what they do. X was just an example they lace the weed with other stuff to make it more addictive. If you want to see some come to my work. I know this because we are responsibe for putting these guys behind bars :) Some of the other posters only know what they are told, not what they see :2cents:

[Hitman56]

Put me in the No column. You know how fat average Americans are right now? Imagine those people having the munchies all the time!
I think that once you are 80 years old, you should be able to take any drug you want, though (with restrictions on driving, of course).

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
You would have known that one of the most popular tactics by gangs today is to add substances to their weed to make it more addictive.

Brought to you by Barbara Walter.. on 20/20.

You're whole life and thought process is developed from common myths. And you've shown no capacity to learn anything other than.... "I heard this from.... ".

Just like Atkins. Just like marijuana.

You're real world experience don't count for crap.

[Funkyalligator]

Jbooma...the legalization of marijuana would allow the government to concentrate on harmful drugs such as cocaine, crack and heroin...also there wouldn't be any profit in marijuana with legalization so gangs wouldn't need to "lace" it with anything because they wouldn't be trying to make money off of it....

[Die Hard]

Hey, did you hear about the black market for kidney transplants. It's huge. Ask JBooma.

Or you can go to urbanlegends.com and check it our for yourself.

[troyster]

As for the original question, yes, please legalize it. There are people in jail right now doing time comparable to murderers for dealing weed, and that's insane.

As for JBooma's remarks, I don't know where you are seeing this. You act like you are the only one who knows about this kind of stuff. The type of thing you're talking about is technically possible, but stupid. If I'm a dealer and I'm going to lace weed with something to make it addictive, why wouldn't I choose something like nicotine, which is MUCH cheaper than X? You are right though that the THC levels have increased over the years due to improved growing methods, etc. I've still never heard of a single incident where weed was ruled the cause of death when someone died. Show me where you have seen something like that, otherwise I call BS.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Brought to you by Barbara Walter.. on 20/20.

You're whole life and thought process is developed from common myths. And you've shown no capacity to learn anything other than.... "I heard this from.... ".

Just like Atkins. Just like marijuana.

You're real world experience don't count for crap.

Sorry DH wrong again!!

Man you need get out of your little dream world and experience real life once in a while.

I didn't watch 20/20 unlike you, I actually work in a field that deals with this.

I see you hate being shown you are wrong, just deal with it for once.

Stay with your atkins diet and enjoy. Just because you can't get off your but, eat healthy, workout, etc.. doesn't mean you have to cry to us who take care of themselves.

Lets see in 5 years how popular atkins is, i think exercise and eating healthy will still be quite popular still. :D

I applaud anyone who wants to lose weight, but the bottom line is they have to change their lifestyle to keep it that way. Since you are a doctor you should know that rapid weight loss in a short amount of time is not healthy for you.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
Jbooma...the legalization of marijuana would allow the government to concentrate on harmful drugs such as cocaine, crack and heroin...also there wouldn't be any profit in marijuana with legalization so gangs wouldn't need to "lace" it with anything because they wouldn't be trying to make money off of it....

The problem funky the normal weed doesn't have the same affect as the stronger weed. If we legalized it wouldn't be too strong and it would be pure weed. The kids wouldn't like it because it doesn't give them the same buzz as some of the other weed. They would then look to find that strong weed they smoke now and the governent wouldn't legalize that.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by troyster


As for JBooma's remarks, I don't know where you are seeing this.

It is called in jail, on the streets, police, etc... you know the people that arrest the dealers :doh:

I was also just giving one example of what they lace it with. You are right nicotine is popular as well. The bottom line is you are not buying pure weed from them.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by troyster
As for the original question, yes, please legalize it. There are people in jail right now doing time comparable to murderers for dealing weed, and that's insane.

As for JBooma's remarks, I don't know where you are seeing this. You act like you are the only one who knows about this kind of stuff. The type of thing you're talking about is technically possible, but stupid. If I'm a dealer and I'm going to lace weed with something to make it addictive, why wouldn't I choose something like nicotine, which is MUCH cheaper than X? You are right though that the THC levels have increased over the years due to improved growing methods, etc. I've still never heard of a single incident where weed was ruled the cause of death when someone died. Show me where you have seen something like that, otherwise I call BS.

Anyone watch the Peter Jenning special a few months ago on Ectacsy?

The number of people that died DIRECTLY from Exctacsy last year.... 2. And that is about the percentage of people are allergic to anything... be it latex or peanut butter or pollen.

I found it refreshing to finally watch an expose that didn't proclaim "drugs are bad and they kill".

Of course, you have to take an interest in reading up on the topic.... rather than relying on Barbara Bush's comments 20 years ago.

[rdsknbill]

My stance on this is on the fence as well. In my youth I loved to end the day with a joint. I would smoke every night if I had it. My old man caught me with weed many times, yelled at me, and then let it go.

However, I am at the point now, with three kids (one of them a teenager) that I smoke very very rarely., not only b/c I have better things to spend my money on, but due to the fact I recently quit smoking cigs and worry that smoking weed could lead me back to 2 packs a day.

The argument that it is stronger then it used to be is true to a point, but my tolerance is so low to the effects that after two hits, my brain just turns to puppy *****. :bong:

Undecided would be my vote

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
I was also just giving one example of what they lace it with. You are right nicotine is popular as well. The bottom line is you are not buying pure weed from them.

It's impossible to find pure weed nowadays. The spread of laced marijuana is an epidemic.

That's why it's so addictive.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by rdsknbill
My stance on this is on the fence as well. In my youth I loved to end the day with a joint. I would smoke every night if I had it. My old man caught me with weed many times, yelled at me, and then let it go.

However, I am at the point now, with three kids (one of them a teenager) that I smoke very very rarely., not only b/c I have better things to spend my money on, but due to the fact I recently quit smoking cigs and worry that smoking weed could lead me back to 2 packs a day.

The argument that it is stronger then it used to be is true to a point, but my tolerance is so low to the effects that after two hits, my brain just turns to puppy *****. :bong:

Undecided would be my vote

Bill.. you should know ALL about your body's tolerance with stuff.

Don't drink for 6 months... and crack open 3 beers. What happens?

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Anyone watch the Peter Jenning special a few months ago on Ectacsy?

The number of people that died DIRECTLY from Exctacsy last year.... 2. And that is about the percentage of people are allergic to anything... be it latex or peanut butter or pollen.

I found it refreshing to finally watch an expose that didn't proclaim "drugs are bad and they kill".

Of course, you have to take an interest in reading up on the topic.... rather than relying on Barbara Bush's comments 20 years ago.

DH just because you don't die from a drug doesn't mean it is good for you :doh:

Maybe that is true, but did that study then show how bad the kids were for a couple of days after taking it?? The problem with X is what happens later not when you take it.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


It's impossible to find pure weed nowadays. The spread of laced marijuana is an epidemic.

That's why it's so addictive.

You can find it in a hospital :)

SO DH how good is that weed there ;)

[Die Hard]

You know why any mind-altering substance is an epidemic?

You take alcohol out of beer... how many people drink it?

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard
You know why any mind-altering substance is an epidemic?

You take alcohol out of beer... how many people drink it?

You don't drink Odouls for the taste then :laugh:

[rdsknbill]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Bill.. you should know ALL about your body's tolerance with stuff.

Don't drink for 6 months... and crack open 3 beers. What happens?

Me not drink for three months????? :yikes:

Yea, that's gonna happen. :D

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma


You can find it in a hospital :)

SO DH how good is that weed there ;)

I'm sorry dude. I can't deal with you.

I've been on the message board scene for over 6 years... and you are by far the most uninformed individual I've ever come across. You're simply not worth my time.

I'm not a school teacher because I can't deal with kids who don't have the capacity or desire to learn.

Live in your world. You're having fun in it apparently.

[rdsknbill]

Originally posted by Die Hard
You know why any mind-altering substance is an epidemic?

You take alcohol out of beer... how many people drink it?

Ever try Kaliber? My brother drinks it. St. Paulie's NA. That is tasty!

We had a surprise party for my parent's anniversary, and their pastor commented on how good the beer was, until I told him it was NA. He quickly switched to Sam Adams. :laugh:

[DUSTINMFOX]

Sorry Booma, but I've never heard of pot laced with X....what it sometimes laced with is PCP, hash, and cocaine. But even then, drug dealers are not selling these without the consumer knowing. Most potheads do not want to buy from a dealer who is going to suprise them with laced drugs. If they want their drugs laced, they will asked for laced drugs.

As a child from a really drug parental influenced environment, I would still recommend for all drugs to be legalized. As for all the obvious reasons stated above and the fact that people will use and abuse drugs whether they are illegal or legal. I am a parent of a four year old girl who I pray will never get involved into drugs; and I plan on educating her the best way I know how...."Look at Grandma, you do not want to be like that when yuou grom up do you."

Addiction applies to anything in life....I have close friends who are not addicted to any substance, but waste their lives away playing video games from sun up to sun down. Alcohol, prescription pills, food, extremeskins, you name it and it can be a bad addiction.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


I'm sorry dude. I can't deal with you.

I've been on the message board scene for over 6 years... and you are by far the most uninformed individual I've ever come across. You're simply not worth my time.

I'm not a school teacher because I can't deal with kids who don't have the capacity or desire to learn.

Live in your world. You're having fun in it apparently.

Seems like you need to get out and see the world once in a while. I learn something new every day, acutally I learn a lot from some of the posters on this board. I don't go assuming what the other person is saying is always wrong, I actually listen to them.

If I don't understand something then I ask. I don't just go and ridicule people because I think they are wrong. Maybe you should learn how to do that and some of your anger would go away.

You may not agree with me but I work in the field that puts these scum in jail. Sorry you are so simple minded, but maybe you should think twice before you make your judgement.

[DUSTINMFOX]

I wouldn't pigeon hole eveyone addicted to drugs as scum. I think we all know at least one decent guy who happens to be an alcoholic....

Self-righteousness can also be an addiction. Morality can be an addiction....look at the blown up abortion clinics. We are on pace for these drug laws to eventually at least be decriminalized. The same goes for gay marriage and the civil rights. If you asked the average Mississippi white man in the 30's if white children would ever go to school with black children...they would say over my dead body. Liberty is unstoppable.

[Funkyalligator]

The only drug that I approve of is marijuana.....all others especially xtc and cocaine I have fairly large problems with....as for xtc...a lot of people have died from it...not directly but because their body over heats and the person dies of heat prostration......

There hasn't been a single documented case of a person dying from marijuana......

That is why I hate the drug war commercials which talk about the people that are high on cocaine, alcohol, crack and weed.....but yet they emphasize weed.....when it is the other stuff that does it.....

Also there several problems with the way the drug war is run......they tout that weed is a gateway drug when the AMA has produced studies that disprove this.....additionally they have marijuana classified as a Schedule 1 drug...but yet it doesn't even come close to meeting the definition......basically by putting marijuana as a Schedule 1 it equates it to being as addictive as cocaine and crack...but guess what the AMA has also disproved the assumption that marijuana physiologically addictive which both cocaine and crack are......and it has also shown the marijuana isn't psychologicall addictive either but there is further study needed there....


The ultimate part of the drug war I love is that the government spouts all these facts about drugs ...but yet they won't pay for studies to prove or disprove their "facts".

[troyster]

So JBooma, I see you're very proud of (and smug about) being involved with putting 'scum' away for dealing pot. I can just see you back in prohibition days cracking down on all the 'criminals' like some old lady brewing booze in her bathtub. Good thing you're helping protect us all from these terrible 'scum' weed dealers with their deadly secretly laced weed (that only you know about apparently).

By the way, take a look at the other responses on this topic. You're clearly in the minority. Not that that means anything by itself, but do you see anyone here asking you to protect them from this 'scum?'

Oh and one more thing... here's a couple of quotes from you:

"I don't just go and ridicule people because I think they are wrong."

One sentence later:

"You may not agree with me but I work in the field that puts these scum in jail."

So you call someone scum for doing something you don't agree with (but the majority here seem to think is OK), but we shouldn't ridicule someone for saying something we don't agree with? You're real credible.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by troyster
So JBooma, I see you're very proud of (and smug about) being involved with putting 'scum' away for dealing pot.

The scum I was talking about was the gang members :doh: If you want we will let them out so they can continue to rob and kill innocent civillians :(

[RedskinsNation]

Dammit DUSTIN I am addicted to Extremeskins.com....... I need to start attending some AA meetings. LOL

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by jbooma
The scum I was talking about was the gang members :doh: If you want we will let them out so they can continue to rob and kill innocent civillians :(

It's a plant. It grows with soil, water and sunlight. It's pretty simple. You don't need to rob and kill anybody to grow it.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Die Hard


It's a plant. It grows with soil, water and sunlight. It's pretty simple. You don't need to rob and kill anybody to grow it.

so i see you don't know what it means to multitask then ;)

[troyster]

Booma,
Then be more specific. We were talking about weed legality and weed dealers I thought. Weed dealers do not automatically equal gang members who steal from people on the streets. Yes, I agree that violent thieves and killers should go to jail. Are you saying that there's a direct correlation between weed and violence? I'm sure there are gang members and murderers who are also shoplifters. That doesn't make some 18 year old girl who stole a sweater from the Gap a gang member, pickpocket, mugger, or murderer who should go to federal prision for a long time. Is that how your logic works? Some X = Y, therefore all Y = X? Not to mention, if it was legal, GANG MEMBERS WOULDN'T BE SELLING IT ANYWAY!

[Thiebear]

Why just pot: Because that is the extent to what YOU want to go?
Who are you to say no Exstasy?
WHo are you to say no to Opium?
Who are you to say no to Cocaine?
Who are you to say no to "LoveBoat" Pot with Lsd.. The DC special...
Who are you to say no to Whippits?
If you do pot, the Hash has to be ok right?


Once you start opening up drugs as legal you start down the slope of what is too much? Like with other things your good with pot, but then as a hypocrit say not to Hash or Cocaine or Perscription drugs like Morphine...

[geezings81]

I started blazing about 10yrs ago, and I have NEVER seen any weed laced with something from the dealer. That makes NO sense what so ever...

People are going to buy it, you don't need to lace it with anything. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard...

Weed is not the big drug problem here, COKE is. I garantee that at least half of the CEOs, VPs, etc.... of every company does coke. Right behind there desk for that matter...

Geez, all this talk about the crucial...now I can't wait to get off work :bong::point2sky

Legalize it. Don't criticize it. Legalize it yeah, yeah. And I will advertize it. :high:

[jbooma]

Originally posted by troyster
Booma,
Then be more specific. We were talking about weed legality and weed dealers I thought. Weed dealers do not automatically equal gang members who steal from people on the streets. Yes, I agree that violent thieves and killers should go to jail. Are you saying that there's a direct correlation between weed and violence? I'm sure there are gang members and murderers who are also shoplifters. That doesn't make some 18 year old girl who stole a sweater from the Gap a gang member, pickpocket, mugger, or murderer who should go to federal prision for a long time. Is that how your logic works? Some X = Y, therefore all Y = X? Not to mention, if it was legal, GANG MEMBERS WOULDN'T BE SELLING IT ANYWAY!

If you go back and read all the posts you would see that is what I was talking about. Sorry if I have to spell it out in every post, I will make a mental note on that :doh:

Even if pot was legal, is it going to be as good as the stuff you get on the street, as strong as the better pot etc... These are questions we can't answer right now, and may never.

If the Gap wanted to press charges on that girl then we have to go by the rules in regarding that offense.

Yes there is a major connection between drug dealing in violence, why do you think a majority of dealers have weapons on them :doh: It all depends on what stage and who they work for, the size of the operation, etc...

You are right you have some kids who do it just to keep getting high, these are the dealers we don't have any problems with, and normally don't get caught.

There are many different types of dealers and I would say over 50% are involved in other illegal activities.

The other problem about pot we have noticed is it tends to lead smokers to other drugs. If you legalize pot you might get more people doing other drugs. Once people get a high in something they then want to see if the can get a bigger one. If you are at a party and are very stoned you don't think clear if someone there asks if you want to do something else.

I have seen some of my friends ruin their lives because of this. It is sad.

[Funkyalligator]

jbooma are you a cop or a corrections officer?

As for quality of weed.....it will be similar to alcohol...there will be high end stuff like chronic which has a high thc content (compared to a 110 proof liquer) and then you will have schwag which is comparable to say a liqor (decent tasting not much alcohol). There would be no underground market for mass distribution of weed....people would probably grow their own in small quantities for personal consumption......

As for dealers with guns......it happens but a vast majority of marijuana dealers don't go that way.....it is more likely that the dealers are involved in other drugs besides marijuana and that is why they arm themselves

[Butz65]

Pot should only be legalized for medicinal purposes - regulated similarly to codeine (requring a prescription). Penalties and fines for Doctors who are too lax in prescribing the drug should be severe.

IMHO - I think tobacco should be regulated as a drug as well. Tobacco is as harmful (if not more harmful) than pot and other similar substances.

Has anyone calculated how much savings in healthcare costs, taxes, Medicare, etc. this country would realize if tobacco were regulated?

But I digress. Pot is a stepping stone drug - I saw too many friends in high school and college graduate to acid, coke, heroin, etc. because they need to keep "upping" their high.

No way this stuff should be sold without regulation.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Butz65

But I digress. Pot is a stepping stone drug - I saw too many friends in high school and college graduate to acid, coke, heroin, etc. because they need to keep "upping" their high.

No way this stuff should be sold without regulation.

:cheers:

[Funkyalligator]

Calling pot a stepping stone drug is like calling cigarettes a stepping stone drug too....there isn't any scientific evidence to back up that statement......other drugs could be considered stepping stone drugs but not pot.......the AMA has already disproved the myth that pot is a gateway drug.....

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
the AMA has already disproved the myth that pot is a gateway drug.....

But it's SO convenient of an excuse. You don't have to research... "I just heard it somewhere".

And if you're going to use popular general thought.. it's "gateway"... not "stepping stone".

Alcohol is a gateway. Once you have one beer.. and you don't get buzzed... you drink more. And more. And then you try Tequila hard liquor.

Someone who is prone to alter their reality will do so. It's the intent... it's the not the drug.

[Butz65]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
Calling pot a stepping stone drug is like calling cigarettes a stepping stone drug too....there isn't any scientific evidence to back up that statement......other drugs could be considered stepping stone drugs but not pot.......the AMA has already disproved the myth that pot is a gateway drug.....

I don't need scientific proof - I witnessed it with my own eyes. I had a friend who started smokng pot in high school. He kept smoking more and more to get "better highs" as he put it. He'd smoke before school started and then take uppers to make it through to lunch. Once the pot was not strong enough he started dosing acid during school. Senior year he quit the football team because working out was imparining his ability to get high. He was doing coke pretty heavily by the time we graduated. I heard he got kicked out of college after chasing someone with a machete during a bad trip.

That's only one friend. I had another in college who moved quickly from pot to heroin for the same reasons. His parents had to pull him out and get him into rehab.

Not everyone will progress like that but from my experience the risk is too great. Those who deny that pot can have this effect haven't experienced it - and/or - are rationalizing their own use (IMHO).

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
Calling pot a stepping stone drug is like calling cigarettes a stepping stone drug too....there isn't any scientific evidence to back up that statement......other drugs could be considered stepping stone drugs but not pot.......the AMA has already disproved the myth that pot is a gateway drug.....

The difference is cigarettes and alcohol doesn't give you a high such as pot. From that high the person wants to find ways to make it greater, last longer, etc..

I have seen my friends use pot as the beginning of their drug problem. This isn't the same for everyone and nobody really knows.

It is very hard to prove or disprove the AMA based their search on twins from Australia, so who knows if that was a good sampling to do this research.

[Funkyalligator]

Butz65 sounds like your friends have some addiction problems.....I'm sure there are some people out there that have gone through that progression but there are also people that go from milk to cigarettes to heroin...there is no statistical proof that demonstraits that pot causes people to use other drugs.....

If a person smokes pot it means they might try other drugs but it doesn't mean that pot caused them to use other drugs......it would be the same comparing underage drinking and coke use......you could find a coralation between those two too.

As for comparing the highs of heroin, coke and marijuana there are huge differences between the three.......and for someone to graduate from marijuana to heroin probably means that need counseling for some psychological problems...

[Butz65]

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
Butz65 sounds like your friends have some addiction problems.....I'm sure there are some people out there that have gone through that progression but there are also people that go from milk to cigarettes to heroin...there is no statistical proof that demonstraits that pot causes people to use other drugs.....

If a person smokes pot it means they might try other drugs but it doesn't mean that pot caused them to use other drugs......it would be the same comparing underage drinking and coke use......you could find a coralation between those two too.

As for comparing the highs of heroin, coke and marijuana there are huge differences between the three.......and for someone to graduate from marijuana to heroin probably means that need counseling for some psychological problems...

We'll just have to disagree on this point. I have (and have had) plenty of friends who smoke cigarettes and drink who never moved to using other drugs (myself included). Pot seems so harmless a drug at first - it's the only substance that I've been around that's led people to other more harmful drugs.

I can't speak to the science of it - just my own personal experience. If one high school kid is kept sober because pot is currently illegal - that's good enough for me.

[JeffSchmeff]

Originally posted by jbooma


The difference is cigarettes and alcohol doesn't give you a high such as pot. From that high the person wants to find ways to make it greater, last longer, etc..

I have seen my friends use pot as the beginning of their drug problem. This isn't the same for everyone and nobody really knows.

It is very hard to prove or disprove the AMA based their search on twins from Australia, so who knows if that was a good sampling to do this research.

Alchohol doesn't get you "high" per say, but it does get you F'ed up plenty. You can die from drinking too much booze. Weed cannot kill you.

People that graduate to harder drugs have their own issues to deal with. I have lots of friends, and most of them have smoked pot, but probably 95% of them never had a problem with harder drugs. Sure some of them have experimented with other stuff, but most are smart enough to realize how serious the harder drugs are. Out of the same sample of friends, the same percentage had issues with alcohol, so I think you are dealing with the person and not the substance.

Also, your lacing the weed with drugs argument is weak. I've never seen that. Any dealer that wants to keep his or her customers would never try something like that. :doh:

[jbooma]

Originally posted by JeffSchmeff

Also, your lacing the weed with drugs argument is weak. I've never seen that. Any dealer that wants to keep his or her customers would never try something like that. :doh:

You make it sound like dealers care :laugh:

You keep your customers be providing the best weed, if you can make it more addicitive you then can make more money because they will keep coming back. Gangs do this, it is common. I am not talking about the kids who sell for fun, I am talking about the dealers who sell as a business.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by JeffSchmeff


Alchohol doesn't get you "high" per say, but it does get you F'ed up plenty. You can die from drinking too much booze. Weed cannot kill you.


Do you understand the amount of alcohol you have to drink to kill yourself??

If you started smoking some weed and kept going how do you know you couldn't kill yourself. Anything in excess is not good for you.

I would say someone very drunk and someone very stoned could have the same type of accident in a car.

[JeffSchmeff]

Originally posted by jbooma


You make it sound like dealers care :laugh:

You keep your customers be providing the best weed, if you can make it more addicitive you then can make more money because they will keep coming back. Gangs do this, it is common. I am not talking about the kids who sell for fun, I am talking about the dealers who sell as a business.

Do you actually think pot dealers are standing on some street corner with a gat under their shirt wearing gang colors? LMAO Wake up man, people aren't getting shot in the streets over weed. Most of the time, the dealers DO care, because they don't want to lose customers. That's why they sell rocks in the ghetto dude; so they don't have to trick someone by selling this "addictive" weed you keep describing that nobody has heard of.

[DUSTINMFOX]

How many people who are now onto hardcore espresso started innocently with soda....we have a major epidemic on our hands:)

[geezings81]

Dam I can't wait to blaze today :bong:

[JeffSchmeff]

Originally posted by jbooma


Do you understand the amount of alcohol you have to drink to kill yourself??

If you started smoking some weed and kept going how do you know you couldn't kill yourself. Anything in excess is not good for you.

I would say someone very drunk and someone very stoned could have the same type of accident in a car.

First, I don't think anyone should get in a car when they are impaired in any way.

Second, if you gave one guy an ounce of weed and another a handle of Jack and told them to finish it up in an hour, I guarantee you Mr. Jack Daniels would be passed out after having pissed his pants and probably would have to go to the hospital for alchohol poisoning.

Lastly, I know you can't kill yourself from smoking weed and not stopping because I've seen it with my own eyes. Two guys in a contest to see who could smoke the most did it. One guy just passed out.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by JeffSchmeff


Lastly, I know you can't kill yourself from smoking weed and not stopping because I've seen it with my own eyes. Two guys in a contest to see who could smoke the most did it. One guy just passed out.

where you the one who won :laugh:

[Kilmer17]

I think studies have shown that kids who start on a plain hamburger happy meal eventually move up t o a big mac and some even go to a double quarter pounder with cheese.

[geezings81]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
I think studies have shown that kids who start on a plain hamburger happy meal eventually move up t o a big mac and some even go to a double quarter pounder with cheese.

True. I first started reading theWarpath.net then came here.

[OURYEAR#56]

The only reason that drugs are out lawed is our society reflects Protestant idealogy.

[Renegade7]

I say they should go ahead an legalize it. The Government has to control it, taxes and all, and if you get caught driving or working high, no mercy.

[Chachie]

Uuuuummmmmmm....what?
:bong:

[Kilmer17]

Actually, I think Pot is illegal because of the influence of papermill owners in the early 20th century. The3y realized the benefits of hemp and how it would hurt their industry and lobbied to make it illegal.

Can anyone confirm or refute this? Im honestly not sure where I got this from. I was high at the time. (joke)

[geezings81]

:bong:

Best thread ever.

[DjTj]

Originally posted by geezings81


True. I first started reading theWarpath.net then came here.

...and now we're all ADDICTED!

Somebody call the Feds and shut this site down!

[chomerics]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
Actually, I think Pot is illegal because of the influence of papermill owners in the early 20th century. The3y realized the benefits of hemp and how it would hurt their industry and lobbied to make it illegal.

Can anyone confirm or refute this? Im honestly not sure where I got this from. I was high at the time. (joke)

God Damn FINALLY somebody got it right!!!!

It was Hearst, the Dupont company and Anslinger (a prosecutor in the 30's) who were the reason for making marajuana illegal. Do a google on Dupont Hearst Anslinger and do some reading for those of you who want to open your eyes up to marajuana.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Dupont+Hearst+Anslinger

Jbooma, I suggest you read "reefer maddness", you are so far off as far as even having a grasp on what marajuana is, what it does and how it's used, it's criminal. I can't believe you're in the law enforcement feild and you actually think people lace bags with "harder" chemicals to get the children addicted. This is one of those urban myths which "Drug Czars" use to try and justify their jobs.

The other one you always here is MJ is a "Gateway" drug. Sorry, wrong again, but the gateway drug is alcohol. If you actually look at the statistics, everyone who has tried cocane has tried alcohol, but not necessarily marajuana. It's not a gateway drug, but if you're going to do something illegal i.e. cocane, chances are you are also going to try MJ. The government has a tremendous amount of bad statistics they use against MJ, this is one of them.

There has never been a documented case of overdosing on marajuana yet there have been numerous overdses with legal drugs which the common American can get from their doctor. I'll list a few: Percocet, Vallium, Xanex, Morphine, Oxycontin, Codine and Librium.

MJ is NOT addictive, a long time smoker will not experience DTs or tremmors when quitting. This is unlike alcohol, which causes violent tremors, DTs, seizures and sometimes even death in extreme cases.

MJ has some EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL medicinal purposes.

http://www.wamm.org/medicinalbenefits.htm


AIDS. Marijuana can reduce the nausea, vomiting, and loss of appetite caused by the ailment itself and by various AIDS medications.

Glaucoma. Marijuana can reduce interlobular pressure, thereby alleviating the pain and slowing -- and sometimes stopping -- the progress of the condition. (Glaucoma is the leading cause of blindness in the United States. It damages vision by increasing eye pressure over time.)

Cancer. Marijuana can stimulate the appetite and alleviate nausea and vomiting, which are common side effects of chemotherapy treatment.

Multiple Sclerosis. Marijuana can limit the muscle pain and spasticity caused by the disease, as well as relieving tremor and unsteadiness of gait. (Multiple sclerosis is the leading cause of neurological disability among young and middle-aged adults in the United States.)

Epilepsy. Marijuana can prevent epileptic seizures in some patients.

Chronic Pain. Marijuana can alleviate the chronic, often debilitating pain caused by myriad disorders and injuries.


The "strength" of MJ is not "increasing". MJ is a weed, it's a plant. There have been numerous crosses of plants to do things such as get bigger buds and a higher trichome count (that's where the THC is located). Some of these produce new strains which are better yet some are worse, it's just playing around with genetics. Not much different from rose vendors crossing different types of roses to get the charactoristics they desire.

The weed sold on the streets isn't "high grade" weed. It's usually from an outdoor grow where the person growing it never bothers to cull the males or takes care of the plants. That's why bags are seedy.

You can produce a seedless bag, called sensimelia, by killing the male plants prior to flowering. This allows the buds to enrich themselves with resin instead of turning into seeds. The true sensimelia will cost around $4000 a pound and you won't find it in "gangs".

Now, should the government make pot illegal? YES!!! They should at least decriminalize it. The reason for it's being outlawed was big business in the first place.

To make a long story short, a new way of producing paper from hemp was developed in the 30's, as well as using the fiber for clothing. Hearst (Paper & Trees), Dupont (polyester) and Anslinger (the prosecutor and a pawn of Dupont and Hearst) campaigned to outlaw the use of MJ. They used propaganda, racism and anything they could to force the senate and congress to outlaw it. In the end, Dupont won with his polyester and Hearst won the paper industry and marijuana became illegal.

Read up on it and become informed, HEMP is a useful product, which even has medicinal values. There isn't another natural resource like it, yet we outlawed it because of three rich men.:doh:

[atloldskin]

Some of these views are really sad. There is no way you should make pot legal, now or in the future. It would affect crime, our children, our productivity, and our reputation as a moral country. Legalizing pot would lead to outcrys for legalizing other drugs. It would become "accepted" because it is legal. More kids would try it because it is legal. For those of you arguing the tax side, we don't tax the hell out of rolling papers, clips or other items now? Illegal drugs are one of the biggest problems in this country--ruining families, communities, etc.

[Buster]

No- If it was legal then it just wouldn't be cool anymore.

[kameuh]

Pot is a gateway drug. It kinda simple really. When your forced to find your supply in a black market, your access to other drugs becomes avaliable. Its a gateway in that sense.

Legalize the chronic and now it's no longer a gateway as you have no need to associate with the underworld black market to acquire your reefer. Typically I try to avoid crackheads, but sometimes when getting my ganja I run across them. I'd rather just buy some over the counter and avoid the crackheads and junkies altogether.

As a smoker myself some of these replys are just insane. In 14 years I've never bought a laced bag, though I've often seen bud rolled up with additional substances.

Oh and loveboat is a weed/pcp combo, not weed and lsd. :) The heat from a lighter would break the lsd down chemically.

And personally I'd rather smoke Kind bud than brick weed. The more potent the better as far as im concerned. Being able to take one or two hits from a bowl and catch a buzz is preferable, to me, than smoking a whole joint of foul tasting crap to get the same affect.

Chomerics good post btw :cheers:

[chomerics]

Originally posted by atloldskin
Some of these views are really sad. There is no way you should make pot legal, now or in the future. It would affect crime, our children, our productivity, and our reputation as a moral country. Legalizing pot would lead to outcrys for legalizing other drugs. It would become "accepted" because it is legal. More kids would try it because it is legal.

You are definately ignorant on the subject, and have been had by the propaganda war against MJ. If you don't want to smoke it, fine, but don't throw around your biased unsubstantiated accusations like its the bible.

1. Crime. . . How in the hell would crime INCREASE because of making pot legal??? Tell me how? Pot is NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!
You will in fact DECREASE crime by making pot legal. You would free up billions of dollars wasted on the judicial system thwarting fighting prohibition.

Now, take a look at alcohol. When did the crime become widespread with alcohol??? Well, that would be with prohibition Mr. Wizzard du-huh. In fact, making alcohol legal decreased crime, similar to what would happed when and if pot is decrimininalized.

2. Children. . . How would making pot legal effect our children??? Do you think kids can't get thier hands on pot now? If you do, you're extremely naieve. Legalizing it would allow us a means of regulating the sale and consumption of pot, but with the status quo, our children are MORE at risk.

3. Productivity. . . Yea, how is this relevant. If we make pot legal, America will become a bunch of Dorito eating couch potatos. A typical view of an uninformed individual when it comes to MJ.

4. Our reputation of a moral country. . . You have got to be freaking kidding me. Are you actually serious :doh1: I guess Great Britain is a moral less country huh. How about Canada.

No pot doesn't take away our ideal as a moral country, collectively burying our ignorant heads in the sand while we invade a country unprovoked is what takes away our reputation as a moral country.:doh:



Legalizing pot would lead to outcrys for legalizing other drugs.

Really??? Name another drug which is used for all the medicinal values I listed. Do some reading on the subject. Read up on cancer patients and MJ. Read about MS and marijuana before you reply, because that last one was full of propaganda material. I bet you think if we legalized marijuana, we'd all turn black and start playing jazz music in the streets.:doh1:


More kids would try it because it is legal.

And you are getting your statistics from where??? Out of your ***** I bet. Who is to say more kids would try it. In fact, LESS kids would try it because you would be forced to talk to your kids about it.


For those of you arguing the tax side, we don't tax the hell out of rolling papers, clips or other items now? Illegal drugs are one of the biggest problems in this country--ruining families, communities, etc.

Get real and get facts. Alcohol, by far, is the worst drug in this country. It kills more people, ruins more lives and costs our government far more than MJ ever could.

Do some reading on the subject before you post more crap like that.

[kappaluvacee]

No way. I don't care what a person does to get by, but the fact remains, I don't want a stoner or burn-out piloting my plane, driving my kids to school, or administering meds.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by kappaluvacee
No way. I don't care what a person does to get by, but the fact remains, I don't want a stoner or burn-out piloting my plane, driving my kids to school, or administering meds.

You realize there's people who drink alcohol every day and perform those functions right? You've never heard of pilots getting boarding a plane intoxicated?

If you've ever drank beer with the intention of being inebriated... you're no different than a "stoner".

One is socially acceptable... and the other isn't. That's the difference.

I find it amusing that people who drink alcohol hold themselves in higher regard than others than those that smoke.

And you know the minute it becomes legal... and you KNOW it will.... all these hypocrits will be trying it.

Because once the government sanctions it.... it's moral.

[Die Hard]

And to those people who believe that marijuana would be the detriment - a bunch of lazy stoned slackers - of the American economy... you ever hear the statistics of how much time employees spend on the internet (email and surfing) at the expense of company time?

You didn't need marijuana to do that.

[dchogs]

Originally posted by kappaluvacee
No way. I don't care what a person does to get by, but the fact remains, I don't want a stoner or burn-out piloting my plane, driving my kids to school, or administering meds.

but a drunk doing all those things is alright though, right?

or are you also a prohibitionist?

AGAIN, the argument for legalization does not include allowing people to drive or work stoned. just like it isn't okay to drive or work drunk right now.

is this really all that hard to understand?

[curtis28]

Look im 15 and i do it when i am hanging out with my freinds and stuff and sum 1 said earlier that u cant buy ur pot laced u do it yourself that is bull when u gt it cubed they all ready have the stuff in it and sum 1 who said they know sum 1 who died after 1 joint that joint would have had to been laced i think it should be legal it should just have the same laws as alchahol and if it was legal i know sum people who would stop cuz they do it for the thrill of doing sumthing illegal

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by curtis28
Look im 15 and i do it when i am hanging out with my freinds and stuff and sum 1 said earlier that u cant buy ur pot laced u do it yourself that is bull when u gt it cubed they all ready have the stuff in it and sum 1 who said they know sum 1 who died after 1 joint that joint would have had to been laced i think it should be legal it should just have the same laws as alchahol and if it was legal i know sum people who would stop cuz they do it for the thrill of doing sumthing illegal

There's nothing to be learned from kids who buy "cubed" weed.

[TMat184]

I don't see who the hell would buy it like cigs when we all have friends or friends of friends that could get us pot. They would still have to fight the people that are growing it from labs in their houses......

[In Flames]

has anyone ever tried pot made by the govt...g-13 i think....oh man...lol. this stuff is potent, although i dont smoke anymore (work), i agree 100% it should be legalized!!!!!!

[curtis28]

There's nothing to be learned from kids who buy "cubed" weed. hey DIE HARD


thats how it shipped!

[jmwills1]

I agree that pot makes people lazy. I got caught with it this year by my college and my Gpa has gone up. I used to lay around and watch movies and play video games when i smoked, now i do work. It is not addictive, but it is a fun thing to do when you get bored or when your wasted and it makes you absolutely retarded. I have not tried other drugs and do not want to, but I think pot is much better than alcohol and the reckless damage and hijinx that i get into when Im loaded

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by curtis28
There's nothing to be learned from kids who buy "cubed" weed. hey DIE HARD


thats how it shipped!

Shipped? From where? There's 5 people on every street growing it.

I think that the fact that you're buying "imported" weed tells the whole story :laugh:

[curtis28]

OK BUD! listen u don't know wut ur talking bout and ne wayz there ain;t know 1 round where i lve that grows it and the 1's that do they dont gow enough 2 sell + i ain't a huge stoner i don't do that much!

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by carlsbadd
I am really torn over this issue. I think that medical use and the production of hemp products are a good thing.
I don't really care if people get high or not but it does slow your reaction time if you are driving.
My concern is that I don't think that making another intoxcicant legal is a good thing.
On the other hand there are ton's of people and children over medicated already on legal drugs.
The only thing that would make me want to make it legal is to keep the thousands of otherwise good people out of prisons for getting high. In Virginia if you get caught with pot while driving you have to go to a mandated drug program and it's a waste of time and money. The prison system has become a cottage industry and it's really out of hand.

My roommate got caught with Marijuana and had to do a longass program in Roanoke (where he got caught). This forced him to drop out of school for two semesters, move to Roanoke where he has a parole officer and do the program.

This is just extraneous cost to the state, I knew this kid and he always drove straight sober, and was responsible as heck about it. He was the one who always ended up carrying his drunk friends home from parties.


It really is just a waste of state money.

I say legalize it, coming from someone who has never smoked, drank, or gotten high on anything except caffeine and sugar, and maybe that one time I took to much Nyquil.

[dchogs]

Originally posted by funnyperson1


coming from someone who has never smoked, drank, or gotten high on anything except caffeine and sugar, and maybe that one time I took to much Nyquil.

you sure you go to tech?

they must have opened a worm hole and sucked the tech of lore to the 5th dimension.

:)

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by curtis28
OK BUD! listen u don't know wut ur talking bout and ne wayz there ain;t know 1 round where i lve that grows it and the 1's that do they dont gow enough 2 sell + i ain't a huge stoner i don't do that much!

Look for all the houses with the glowing neon lights and the arrow that says "We're growing weed in this house". They try to keep there operations on the down low ;)

I was exegerating slightly. The fact is... the days where people got imported weed from Jamaica were 10 years ago. You don't import weed when you can grow it wildly in any field or setup a hydroponic system for less than $1000.

You don't have to be a huge stoner to know everything. You just have to have some world experience.. or at least get past university. Then you'll begin to experience the culture.

[funnyperson1]

Originally posted by dchogs


you sure you go to tech?

they must have opened a worm hole and sucked the tech of lore to the 5th dimension.

:)


I assure you I am the exception to the rule and that VT is still as crazy as ever.

I don't drink/smoke partly because I am muslim, and partly because I know that I have no self control and once I get hooked I would die drunk.

Like I said, my roommate isn't here this semester because of pot. The guy next door to me has thrown up in his room at least 3 times. 1,500 dollars worth of furniture was thrown out of our TV lounge windows. Some drunk dude threw a rock through my window after my friends and I spotted him taking a piss right outside. Someone took a ****ing dump in our dorm kitchen.

Tech is alive and well son...belie dat.:D

[dchogs]

Originally posted by funnyperson1



I assure you I am the exception to the rule and that VT is still as crazy as ever.

I don't drink/smoke partly because I am muslim, and partly because I know that I have no self control and once I get hooked I would die drunk.

Like I said, my roommate isn't here this semester because of pot. The guy next door to me has thrown up in his room at least 3 times. 1,500 dollars worth of furniture was thrown out of our TV lounge windows. Some drunk dude threw a rock through my window after my friends and I spotted him taking a piss right outside. Someone took a ****ing dump in our dorm kitchen.

Tech is alive and well son...belie dat.:D

whew...thank god (or allah ;)). i'm missing some fond memories of visiting friends at tech.

[earl]

hell yeah.

[TK]

Originally posted by curtis28
Look im 15 and i do it when i am hanging out with my freinds and stuff and sum 1 said earlier that u cant buy ur pot laced u do it yourself that is bull when u gt it cubed they all ready have the stuff in it and sum 1 who said they know sum 1 who died after 1 joint that joint would have had to been laced i think it should be legal it should just have the same laws as alchahol and if it was legal i know sum people who would stop cuz they do it for the thrill of doing sumthing illegal



Originally posted by curtis28
There's nothing to be learned from kids who buy "cubed" weed. hey DIE HARD


thats how it shipped!



Originally posted by curtis28
OK BUD! listen u don't know wut ur talking bout and ne wayz there ain;t know 1 round where i lve that grows it and the 1's that do they dont gow enough 2 sell + i ain't a huge stoner i don't do that much!

This is why you don't post when stoned.

:bong: :high:

[Sarge]

No. We don't need, stoned burners behind the wheel

[SkinsHokie Fan]

Tech is alive and well DCHogs. If you stayed in Pritchard, wow that was the life. Too many memories from the last 4 years to post. I'll miss this place.

And yes decrimanilize pot. No reason to throw people in jail forever for it

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by Sarge
Just what we need, stoned burners behind the wheel

That would be criminal. Just like stupid drunks driving right?

I can't imagine you'd come into a thread 3 pages in and not read a damn thing Sarge.

The legalization or decriminalization of marijuana doesn't involved driving or working while impaired.

Is that too difficult to comprehend? Because it seems like it. And that's sad.

[Sarge]

Someone piss in your Wheaties tonight Die Hard? It was a simple poll, but just for your sensitivities, I amended my original post.

[chomerics]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Look for all the houses with the glowing neon lights and the arrow that says "We're growing weed in this house". They try to keep there operations on the down low ;)

I was exegerating slightly. The fact is... the days where people got imported weed from Jamaica were 10 years ago. You don't import weed when you can grow it wildly in any field or setup a hydroponic system for less than $1000.

You don't have to be a huge stoner to know everything. You just have to have some world experience.. or at least get past university. Then you'll begin to experience the culture.

A cheap hydro setup can be done for as little as $400 with a 400W HPS light. It can produce abour 400g (pound) hydro every 8 weeks. It isn't easy, you have to watch it every day and make changes to the setup as needed.

There are a lot of people who grow their own weed. They do because they don't have to deal with the "extra" element of buying it off friends. They just don't let you know they're growing it because "loose lips sink ships".

In my neighborhood, I know there are at least 2 people who grow it. Both of these men are succesful business men with prominent management positions in large companies. There goes the lack of productivity again.

Marijuana IS a drug and it should be treated as such. It should be legalized, or at least decriminalized. It has much more of a benifit to society than a hinderence. The only criminal act is the governments banning it in the first place, then placing many innocent, non-violent people in jail for smoking it.

[chomerics]

Originally posted by Sarge
No. We don't need, stoned burners behind the wheel

Sarge, who the hell here is saying everyone should drive stoned??? Your not allowed to drive on other drugs, such as oxycontin, yet I don't hear you bitching about making things like this illegal. Well, if Rush does it it must not be that bad.:rolleyes:

I for one would feel a lot safer behind a stoned driver than a drunk driver. Paranoid and slow is a hell of a lot better than reckless and fast.

[Pete]

AH yes....the thread that keeps commin back time and time again in one form or another.......

First, yes it should be legal. Why.........because boose is, and it gives our money grabbing government one more thing to over tax.

I've been smokin since 1973. In retrospect, it has never effected any job or activity over the years. It has however caused me to be a bit to heavy. It slows your system down to some extent.
It will zap your energy on the field if you smoke a lot while playing sports. It also seems to speed up the aging prosess IMO.

For you young guys....moderation. Like anything else. Don't let it run your life as it has for some people I know.

The media makes pot smokers out as evil uneducated morons. I know more then a few regular smokers who hold VERY high positions in companies like UPS.....IBM....GP just to name a few. They sit back, sip their drink, and pass judgment on us because their drug (boose) is inside the laws lines.

Ya hear in the news that somebody famous is in rehab for boose, and it's that poor person. If it's grass though, their a bad person and deserve what they get:doh:

My two cents...........

[dchogs]

Originally posted by chomerics


A cheap hydro setup can be done for as little as $400 with a 400W HPS light. It can produce abour 400g (pound) hydro every 8 weeks. It isn't easy, you have to watch it every day and make changes to the setup as needed.

There are a lot of people who grow their own weed. They do because they don't have to deal with the "extra" element of buying it off friends. They just don't let you know they're growing it because "loose lips sink ships".

In my neighborhood, I know there are at least 2 people who grow it. Both of these men are succesful business men with prominent management positions in large companies. There goes the lack of productivity again.

Marijuana IS a drug and it should be treated as such. It should be legalized, or at least decriminalized. It has much more of a benifit to society than a hinderence. The only criminal act is the governments banning it in the first place, then placing many innocent, non-violent people in jail for smoking it.

the cops here are starting to get sneaky about that. in the past month they've made 3 busts of fairly large home setups. they found out which houses to check out by checking the utility billls. homes with huge monthly expendatures were watched/searched. a bit too gestapo for my tastes, especially for pot.

[flashback]

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


changing schools or turning in a kid/parent isn't "freaking" out?

there is nothing wrong with marijuana.. i will smoke it whether it is legal or not.. i do not sell it so i could care less if the gov't legalized it.. the only difference is i wouldn't have to hide it..

Changing schools isn't really that big a deal. There are 3 elementary schools within about 4 miles of my house. You can petition the school district for an intra-district transfer. If you have a good reason, like drugs, even legal ones, being brought to a school, chances are you'll get it.

If my son (who's 6, BTW), came home with pot and said "Seth gave it to me," I'd be on the phone with his teacher in about 30 seconds finding out Seth's last name and phone number, then I'd be on the phone with Seth's parents. If they didn't address the situation to my satisfaction (tell me where he got it), I'd be on the phone with the SDPD. Heck, I've even got a friend who's an ex-cop and a private investigator. I might ask him for a favor if the situation called for it.

The problem is, kids are going to push their boundaries. If you don't set any boundaries, they could kill themselves looking for one. If you set the line at something relatively harmless, like pot, then they cross it and get busted, they're still OK. They'll recover. If you let them know that pot is OK, but not crack, they're going to try the crack to see what happens. And you may only get one chance to keep your kid off crack.

Legalize, regulate, get more bang for my tax buck than this stupid prohibition. There will be problems, but as freedom-loving Americans, we choose to deal with those ourselves, and not rely on the government to make all our decisions for us.

[chomerics]

Originally posted by Pete
AH yes....the thread that keeps commin back time and time again in one form or another.......

First, yes it should be legal. Why.........because boose is, and it gives our money grabbing government one more thing to over tax.

I've been smokin since 1973. In retrospect, it has never effected any job or activity over the years. It has however caused me to be a bit to heavy. It slows your system down to some extent.
It will zap your energy on the field if you smoke a lot while playing sports. It also seems to speed up the aging prosess IMO.

For you young guys....moderation. Like anything else. Don't let it run your life as it has for some people I know.

The media makes pot smokers out as evil uneducated morons. I know more then a few regular smokers who hold VERY high positions in companies like UPS.....IBM....GP just to name a few. They sit back, sip their drink, and pass judgment on us because their drug (boose) is inside the laws lines.

Ya hear in the news that somebody famous is in rehab for boose, and it's that poor person. If it's grass though, their a bad person and deserve what they get:doh:

My two cents...........

I agree whit you, although, I guess it depends on when you smoke as to weather or not you'll gain weight. Weed has never effected my metabolism, but alcohol has.

Now, if you were smoking like 15 joints a day, then it could lead to a lack of effort, but a few tokes before the Simpsons at night never hurt anyone.

It's a good outlet for people in highly stressed jobs and it's a much healthier aternative than other addicitive forms of depressents/narcotics. . . Vallium, alcohol, Xanex, librium etc.

In my experiences, I have found that the pot smokers are more at ease with themselves, less stressed out and generally more relaxed. It's the uninformend individual who has extreme feelings as to why it is illegal.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by Die Hard
And to those people who believe that marijuana would be the detriment - a bunch of lazy stoned slackers - of the American economy... you ever hear the statistics of how much time employees spend on the internet (email and surfing) at the expense of company time?

You didn't need marijuana to do that.

You cut me real deep there Die Hard, real deep....:laugh:

For those that argue that the government wouldn't be able to tax it successfully because it can be grown.....how many of you smokers grow your own tobacco so you can have better and more purer ciggarettes. The point is, convenience...why the majority of smoker go for the trouble when they could by packs of seedless and loose marijuana for pipes etc.

Marijuana, like any other addiction, can make you lazy. Yes, I do think you can be psycologically addicted to pot...my own theory...no facts to back it up. But, you can be addicted to such innocent things like I said before, video games and extremeskins, bad women....things that could easily take you away from more important things in life....like our wives:) The point being that anything can be addictive, so why try to stop it. I think it's paranoid to have that fear of a stoner crashing into you in their shagon wagon...you know that one out of every 10 drivers at night are legally intoxicated? That doesn't stop you from going to the store to get your kid dipers does it? Be a defensive driver for christs sake. You can't live your life worried all the damn time. It's alright, most people on this board will be alive...whether they like it or not, when it becomes legal.

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by flashback
If my son (who's 6, BTW)

i didn't know your son was 6.. therefore, i understand your point.. i assumed your son was much older

[Symbol]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
You know someone that died as a result of smoking 1 joint? The pot killed him/her?

To answer your question yes I did, he was a high school friend of mine in high school.

Do answer Die Hard's, we had just had a physical 3 weeks prior to the incident, all high school athletes have to have one to play sports in any year. We were getting our physicals for football. His heart stopped after one joint, I was at the party when it happened. We just got there, he hadn't had anything else that day.

If I can somehow get a corinor's report, it's been sometime since he died, 1987 to be exact, then I'll put it up. The only drug, legal or illigal in his system was marijuana. Again, I'm not sure how easy it will be for me to get a copy, but I'll try.

[geezings81]

Dam this thread... I can't wait to get off of work so I can blaze :bong:

[Kilmer17]

Please see if you can get that. I may be wrong, but that may be the first and only case in histroy where pot has killed someone from a single use.

[Pete]

Originally posted by dchogs


the cops here are starting to get sneaky about that. in the past month they've made 3 busts of fairly large home setups. they found out which houses to check out by checking the utility billls. homes with huge monthly expendatures were watched/searched. a bit too gestapo for my tastes, especially for pot.

We had a grow house right up the street. I would walk past every day and night with my dog. A local cop lived right next door to the place.

They had a second AC unit and mylar over fiberglass insulation to keep the infered signature down. Their power was tapped into three different homes to distribute the extra load of the irigation, lighting, and AC. They had about every base covered.

They had been growing there for two years, and got set up best I can tell. Too smart to go down the way they did. I saw them carrying out plants the bust went down.

Haven't seen buds that big in years;)

[Thiebear]

kameuh

DOH ! you are right on the loveboat....
Its been a couple of years :)

[helluvaskinsfan]

hell yeah

[GSF]

You can grow a pretty decent amount of hydro without a significant increase in electricity bills. Not enough to make a career of, but definitely enough to keep you and all of your friends stoned.

I agree w/ DieHard and others that the fact that alcohol is legal and pot is illegal is hypocrytical. I will also say that I've seen alcohol ruin a whole lot more lives than I have weed. I've been an on and off smoker for close to 20 years. I have burned with many succesful people, including doctors, lawyers, a state cop(he had some serious chronic), and people in all sorts of business. I can only remember a couple of guys that let it get away from them with weed, and with them it was more about their personalities than the weed.

Weed should have never been made illegal(nice history lesson Chomerics btw), but at this point I think legalizing it in the USA could cause some real problems. After telling kids for 20+ years that weed is a terrible thing, suddenly making it legal might cause a huge increase in expermentation IMO. It would be even easier for teenagers to get it than it already is, and I believe that would lead to a lot of problems. In other words, if weed had been legal all along, it wouldn't have been a big deal at all, but now that kids have been taught that it is taboo and will ruin your life, well they would just have to try it.

I would be more in favor of decriminalizing weed. I'm not sure exactly how, but perhaps make it legal to grow small amounts in your home, while making it highly illegal to traffic it. This way, responsible adults could grow their own, but kids would have a harder time getting it. The black market would decrease dramatically. I believe Alaska used to allow something like 4 plants per household, but I'm not sure if that is still true or ever was.

Lastly, I think that the idea of gangs "lacing" weed with x or nicotine to get kids hooked is urban mythology and reminds me of the old film Reefer Madness. I'm guessing Jbooma that you do some sort of clerical work for law enforcement or counseling , and are not actually out there making drug arrests. Anyone with real world "street experience" wouldn't make the claims you have made here. The only thing that you were close to being right about were your comments about weed being stronger than it used to be. It's actually not any stronger, but there is A LOT more kind bud out there than there used to be b/c people are learning how to grow it. Back in the late 80's, scoring a bag of KB was like hitting the lottery thanks to Nancy Reagan. Now it seems like all you kind find is $100 kindbud. What ever happened to good old commercial grade?
:2cents: :high:

[atloldskin]

Chomerics, thanks for your response. Obviously, we disagree on this topic, but that does not mean I am ignorant on the subject. I would assume, based upon your response, that you do not have any children. If that is correct, you may find that your views on this topic (and many more) may change over time (mine certainly did).

Please don't give me the medicinal use or the prohibition arguments. Talk about unsubstantiated propoganda! There are only thousands of people that could possibly qualify for and get approval for medicinal use. And prohibition evolved after a legal product (alcohol) became illegal. This is not the case with pot.

I do believe that crime would increase if pot were legalized (although neither of us can substantiate our views here with statistics), although the judicial process would benefit greatly by not having to enforce the laws.

Children would be affected negatively with the legalization of pot, just as they are affected with cigarettes, alcohol, pornography, etc. Kids would not benefit from the mass advertising of pot and many kids would decide to use pot (that would not have used it otherwise) if it were legalized. I don't know why this is so hard to understand? I am not so naive to think that kids, at any age, do not have access to pot (and anything else they want). Of course they do, but this does not make it right. Lets not encourage it! And as a parent, most of us are already talking to our kids about making right decisions in life.

Productivity would decline in this country. Again, I am not referring to the casual user but look at countries like Switzerland and Sweden where a significant percentage of their population that uses drugs regualarly are unemployed, unproductive and a burden on their society and health systems. This is well documented but you seem to ignore these "case studies".

Pot can lead to other (and stronger) drug use. Look at the many detailed statistics on people in our jails and the common denominators tend to be: alcohol usuage, pot and drug usuage, and broken families. Does this mean people who smoke pot will use cocaine or other drugs? Of course not, but the likelihood does increase dramatically.

And finally, I do think the USA is a moral country in comparison to Great Britain and Canada. Sometimes a country must stand for principles, but that is why we obviously disagree on the war as well. But you are a Redskin fan, so you can't be too bad!! Take care.

[Pete]

You make some great points GSF. I think being we have preached to kids for the past twenty or so years, less kids will opt to smoke.

Less and less kids start smokin cigs every year from the same type of preaching. While the numbers still aren't wonderful, there is slow progress with kids and young adults.

I sometimes wish I had been preached to, yet you bring back some fond memories. Reefer madness, and Up in smoke were the double feature at the drive in for the entire summer between 11th and 12 th grade.

Needless to say, I went to the drive in almost every weekend that summer.:pint: :cannibas:

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by atloldskin
And finally, I do think the USA is a moral country in comparison to Great Britain and Canada.

Let's ask the rest of the world.


Originally posted by atloldskin
I would assume, based upon your response, that you do not have any children. If that is correct, you may find that your views on this topic (and many more) may change over time (mine certainly did).

Do as I say... not as I do. Great parenting. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by atloldskin
Please don't give me the medicinal use or the prohibition arguments. Talk about unsubstantiated propoganda! There are only thousands of people that could possibly qualify for and get approval for medicinal use.

If there are only thousands of cancer patients... I'd agree with you.


I do believe that crime would increase if pot were legalized

How exactly does crime increase with the decriminalization of a law?


I am not so naive to think that kids, at any age, do not have access to pot (and anything else they want). Of course they do, but this does not make it right. Lets not encourage it!

Is anybody encouraging alcohol, cigarettes and pornography to minors? Is anyone endorsing usage of marijuana of minors?

Making it legal is not making it any more accessible than cigarettes, alcohol or pornography. Which are legal and available to anyone over the age of 18.


Pot can lead to other (and stronger) drug use.

You actually want to know what the #1 gateway to mind-altering substances is? Alcohol. I would imagine that statistics would show that the first attempt by ANY individual using any reality-altering chemical is alcohol. Primarily beer.

That's the precedent for getting wasted and distorting reality. That's your gateway folks.

Tell people that they can mess up reality... they'll try beer first. THEN once they get a taste... they'll begin experimenting with other experiences.

[curtis28]

hey who ever said i was stoned while i was doing this ur a fricken tard u need 2 watch it u dont know wut the hell ur talking bout

[jthomas]

Originally posted by curtis28
hey who ever said i was stoned while i was doing this ur a fricken tard u need 2 watch it u dont know wut the hell ur talking bout

Gee, I can't see HOW he got the impression you were stoned.

Also, while I'm making my daily post, can an admin prevent JBooma from using the :doh: smiley? It litters all of his posts :) .

[WM_Marylander]

I'll take a second and respond.



I know friends who do it... and eh, to each his own I guess.


Though, to some extent, it is the younger crowd that has a problem with it. Some of my friends ditched pot when it wasn't getting them 'high enough' anymore, and ended up going to X, speed, and a few other drugs they'd sample with just to see what would work best. That's what the problem with it is. Some people aren't able to control the urge and end up having to move up. Others let something as simple as using pot wreck their lives. Just like Alcohol. It would be easy to say, sure, everyone's responsible enough to handle things like that and just let people do whatever. But sadly people aren't able to do that. Especially younger people.

I don't really see a purpose for having it, other than taking the edge off, but to some extent I think that's an excuse. Medically, yes, there is some validity in that discussion, because some people with chronic illness could use it's benefits.

But otherwise, what's the use? If it's to relax, there are other methods that don't involve having your state of mind altered in order to relax. Heck, yoga's better for you in the long run, and it could be just as relaxing.

Though, in moderation and a controlled situation would be the best and only situation for it, but I don't feel that many young adults and young people in general are able to control that situation.

And I think the analogy with Alcohol is a little overused. Yes, both can be harmful when used in excess... but at the same point, using alcohol in moderation (i.e. one or two drinks) is going to do less to alter your state of mind then 'blazing up' or whatever.


I'm not preaching or giving a sermon. I could really care less if some of you who are responsible use it, but it's the people who aren't responsible who hurt the rest.

[unsonny]

if getting drunk is legal, and killing yourself with cigarettes is legal then why the hell not

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by WM_Marylander
Though, to some extent, it is the younger crowd that has a problem with it. Some of my friends ditched pot when it wasn't getting them 'high enough' anymore, and ended up going to X, speed, and a few other drugs they'd sample with just to see what would work best.

And before they turned to pot... they were drinking alcohol.

And when they realized that they had to drink an excessive amount of alcohol to feel a buzz... they went to pot to see what would work best.

To each is own is right.

If someone wants to drink a few beers to take the edge off? Fine. I don't see marijuana users being self-righteous about people who drink.

If someone wants to take a few hauls or smoke a joint to unwind? Fine.

Who is everyone else to judge?

[tkatz]

..

[chomerics]

Originally posted by atloldskin
Chomerics, thanks for your response. Obviously, we disagree on this topic, but that does not mean I am ignorant on the subject. I would assume, based upon your response, that you do not have any children. If that is correct, you may find that your views on this topic (and many more) may change over time (mine certainly did).

Actually, thanks for your response. It was well thought out and presented in a concise logical manner, better than many of my posts I must say.:cheers:

We definately disagree on this issue, and I'm sure a number of other ones, but I have no problem discussing my viewpoint nor do I have a problem listening to yours. You do make some good points, and I'll give you my response to them, but I think it's safe to say neither of us will change the others mind. I just hope by posting, it will open up someone elses eyes and make them realize the truth about pot and why it was made illegal.

I do not have children yet, and I assume many of my viewpoints will change, but I hope they don't. I'm pretty strong in my convictions, and I try to think things through and make the best informed decision I can. It doesn't mean I'm right, but it means I thought the issue through and made a decision based on facts and actual data, rather than urban myths and beliefs.



Please don't give me the medicinal use or the prohibition arguments. Talk about unsubstantiated propoganda! There are only thousands of people that could possibly qualify for and get approval for medicinal use. And prohibition evolved after a legal product (alcohol) became illegal. This is not the case with pot.

I'm not trying to come down hard on you, but you are wrong. Here are the laws for the states concerning marijuana.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4516

Now, I'll post a link to my state, and pay special attention to the MMS or manditory minimum sentance.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4543

Do you see that. If you cultivate marijuana within 1000ft of a school, you have a mandatory minimum sentance of 2 years in jail. YES, 2 years in jail for growing MJ so you can smoke it yourself at home. Now, in urban areas, how many houses are within 1000ft of a school? Well, that would be just about all of them.

Take the town I grew up in. It was 4 sq. miles, it had 14,000 people and it had 28 schools. You see, they count day care centers as schools. If somebody is licensed to the state as a day care worker, they are considered a school. This includes people who watch only infants (2 or more). So basically, if you get caught growing weed in your own house, for your own consumption, you get a MINIMUM of 2 years in jail.

And BTW, pot was legal before it was illegal. The same as alcohol.



I do believe that crime would increase if pot were legalized (although neither of us can substantiate our views here with statistics), although the judicial process would benefit greatly by not having to enforce the laws.

You say this and admit you have nothing to back it up with. How would crime increase? I just don't get your opinion here.

You would not have over 700,000 arrests a year for marijuana possesion. Right there, you'd decrease crime. You also wouldn't be wasting taxpayer money on trials, prosecution and the whole judicial process for the drug. You would also be limiting the exposure from kids and drug dealers. You would be limiting the exposure from successful people and drug dealers. I don't know about you, but I think taking a drug away from dealers is a good thing.



Children would be affected negatively with the legalization of pot, just as they are affected with cigarettes, alcohol, pornography, etc. Kids would not benefit from the mass advertising of pot and many kids would decide to use pot (that would not have used it otherwise) if it were legalized. I don't know why this is so hard to understand? I am not so naive to think that kids, at any age, do not have access to pot (and anything else they want). Of course they do, but this does not make it right. Lets not encourage it! And as a parent, most of us are already talking to our kids about making right decisions in life.

Who said anything about advertising? Pot wouldn't be advertised on TV, it would be government regulated. When was the last time you saw an oxycontin commercial on TV, oh yea, bad example. All satire aside, the government would controll it, tax it and limit its exposure. They wouldn't want a bunch of potheads, would they? Oh yea, another bad example. Well, lets just say that you wouldn't be allowed to advertise it.

How would making pot legal encourage kids to start to smoke pot? We wouldn't be rolling the joints and passing them out at lunch. Kids will do it weather it is legal or not, it doesn't make it any easier for kids to get their hands on pot if it was legal. It does take out the exchange of drugs between a dealer and a kid though. It takes out that interaction which starts kids off on the wrong foot to begin with. If our children didn't have interactions with dealers, and there are a lot of dealers who deal in more than pot, they wouldn't have access to other drugs. It couldn't become a gateway drug, because it would limit your kids exposure to the criminal element.



Productivity would decline in this country. Again, I am not referring to the casual user but look at countries like Switzerland and Sweden where a significant percentage of their population that uses drugs regualarly are unemployed, unproductive and a burden on their society and health systems. This is well documented but you seem to ignore these "case studies".

Again, I don't see any statistics posted it seems like only hear say. Do you have facts that show what you are claiming? It sounds like I said before, the propaganda has gotten to you. You seem to think these things are correct when they are not,



Pot can lead to other (and stronger) drug use. Look at the many detailed statistics on people in our jails and the common denominators tend to be: alcohol usuage, pot and drug usuage, and broken families. Does this mean people who smoke pot will use cocaine or other drugs? Of course not, but the likelihood does increase dramatically.

Again, show me some statistics, I have plenty myself. As I mentioned above, the introduction between drug dealer and user would be eliminated if pot becomes legal. You wouldn't see marijuana used as a "gateway" drug.

You also throw in marijuana use as a reason for the person being in jail (assuming he's not in jail for posession), but the real reason you mentioned is the broken family. This is the real reason the person is in jail, not becuase they smoked MJ. Just because somebody smoked pot, doesn't mean they will go to jail. It's another urban myth put forth by our government as a reason against legalizing it.



And finally, I do think the USA is a moral country in comparison to Great Britain and Canada. Sometimes a country must stand for principles, but that is why we obviously disagree on the war as well. But you are a Redskin fan, so you can't be too bad!! Take care. :cheers:

I don't agree with you, but that's why I post. Hopefully I can open up a few eyes and sway a few opinions, but since I'm a realist, I know I most likely won't change anyone's opinion. At least I can make them more informed on some of the issues. There is so much Bull $hit that goes on in this world, you often have to wear a helmet, just to keep clean.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

I know quite a few people who smoke pot as well as quite a few who drink. In My own experience both can be done to extremes and produce negative efects. However, pot affects ones personality alot less than booze. For example, two people that are a huge part of my life smoke pot every day and drink very little. Both are extremely inteligent and pleasant to be around wether they are high or sober. Also, both are extremely successfull in thier indeavors, very dedicated, and hard working. Infact I am so impressed with one of them that I am marrying her next week.
Now, I also have two more poeple that are very close to me that drink every day. When they are sober they are pleasant to be around, hard working, intelligent, and motivated individuals. After a few drinks thier personality degrades quickly. They become beligerant, angry, and generaly a real pain to be around. In fact, one of the drinkers has wrecked his car three times in the past year and been extremely lucky to survive all three times. Both of these drinkers have lost thier spouses, alienated thier children and lost numerous jobs due to thier drinking.
Meanwhile both of the stoners have wonderful family relationships and are extremely successfull in their careers.
So... IMO drinking is much more mind altering and dangerous than smokeing some dope. I dont think that makeing it legal would cause near the problems that alchohol causes.

[chomerics]

Originally posted by Symbol

Do answer Die Hard's, we had just had a physical 3 weeks prior to the incident, all high school athletes have to have one to play sports in any year. We were getting our physicals for football. His heart stopped after one joint, I was at the party when it happened. We just got there, he hadn't had anything else that day.

If I can somehow get a corinor's report, it's been sometime since he died, 1987 to be exact, then I'll put it up. The only drug, legal or illigal in his system was marijuana. Again, I'm not sure how easy it will be for me to get a copy, but I'll try.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this one. Maybe he did have MJ n his system, it will stay in your system for up to 30 days, but he didn't die of it as you interjected. There has not been a single documented case of a person dying from smoking a joint in the history of the plant. To hit marijuana toxicity levels, you need a 40,000:1 ratio. Yep, you need 40,000 times the amount it takes to get you high to kill you. Compared to alcohol which has a toxicity rate of from 4:1 to 10:1 and it's easy to see why over 5000 people die of alcohol poisoning each year and none from MJ poisoning.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

Oh yeah, I like the way it smells....

[tkatz]

T.Katz: You are 17 and give absolutely no indication that you have any awareness that if someone is busted for dealing, their life as they know it will forever be changed. A permanent criminal record. Likely inability to get hired for any reponsible job that would pay a really good strategy. Possible jail. College choices either eliminated or severly restricted.

Be very very very careful. Use good judgement. Dont do anything stupid that could negatively affect the rest of your life. It only takes one single rumor to the police to get a person nailed.

Trust, good relations, service are all hallmarks of good business. They dont belong in the same sentence or paragraph relating to dealing. Pls. wise up.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by tkatz
T.Katz: You are 17 and give absolutely no indication that you have any awareness that if someone is busted for dealing, their life as they know it will forever be changed. A permanent criminal record. Likely inability to get hired for any reponsible job that would pay a really good strategy. Possible jail. College choices either eliminated or severly restricted.

Be very very very careful. Use good judgement. Dont do anything stupid that could negatively affect the rest of your life. It only takes one single rumor to the police to get a person nailed.

Trust, good relations, service are all hallmarks of good business. They dont belong in the same sentence or paragraph relating to dealing. Pls. wise up.

Who are you addressing your post to? Because it looks like yourself :)

[Chopper Dave]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Who are you addressing your post to? Because it looks like yourself :)

Maybe he was blazed when he wrote that. :high:

Speaking of which, getting out of work at 1:45 has its advantages.....

I never thought aluminum foil could be so useful. :)

[dchogs]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Who are you addressing your post to? Because it looks like yourself :)



do the noises inside my head bother you?

[AJWatson3]

no brainer: yes...

i didn't mean "no brainer" like that....

but then some DEA and many other law enforcement members would lose jobs, and it would cut into their budget, so i don't ever see it happening... because of the friggin' politics.

and whoever wrote that someone died from getting high: that is one major load of BS... stop eating all the crap the gov't feeds you. you can't die from smoking weed... you can read reports (buried and ignored) from the National Institute of Health that state the same, as well as that pot has NUMEROUS medical benefits...
worst case is you get cancer from the carcinogens, but that takes a lot longer than one month to develop.

[atloldskin]

Chomerics, thanks again for your comments. Knowing more about you makes me better appreciate where you are coming from on the issue of legalizing pot. Check back with me in 5-10 years when you have children and let me know if your views have changed at all. Remember, once the government legalizes something, it is very difficult to go back.

[Woofer]

Originally posted by jbooma


You can find it in a hospital :)

SO DH how good is that weed there ;)



Originally posted by Die Hard


I'm sorry dude. I can't deal with you.

I've been on the message board scene for over 6 years... and you are by far the most uninformed individual I've ever come across. You're simply not worth my time.

I'm not a school teacher because I can't deal with kids who don't have the capacity or desire to learn.

Live in your world. You're having fun in it apparently.

I think you both need to go to your rooms and think about what you said that was wrong.

Then come out, smoke a joint together, and get lazy.

But that does not mean I advocate legalizing pot. Half the fun of the buzz is the thrill of the chase.

[Woofer]

Originally posted by The Cowboykiller
I know quite a few people who smoke pot as well as quite a few who drink. In My own experience both can be done to extremes and produce negative efects. However, pot affects ones personality alot less than booze. For example, two people that are a huge part of my life smoke pot every day and drink very little. Both are extremely inteligent and pleasant to be around wether they are high or sober. Also, both are extremely successfull in thier indeavors, very dedicated, and hard working. Infact I am so impressed with one of them that I am marrying her next week.
Now, I also have two more poeple that are very close to me that drink every day. When they are sober they are pleasant to be around, hard working, intelligent, and motivated individuals. After a few drinks thier personality degrades quickly. They become beligerant, angry, and generaly a real pain to be around. In fact, one of the drinkers has wrecked his car three times in the past year and been extremely lucky to survive all three times. Both of these drinkers have lost thier spouses, alienated thier children and lost numerous jobs due to thier drinking.
Meanwhile both of the stoners have wonderful family relationships and are extremely successfull in their careers.
So... IMO drinking is much more mind altering and dangerous than smokeing some dope. I dont think that makeing it legal would cause near the problems that alchohol causes.

I could be wrong, but I thought that alcohol releases ones inhibitions and the truth comes out.

With Pot, you just don't care enough to get angry.

[brandies]

What was the question?

[Morning Wood]

Ok, I'll weigh in on this.

I feel 100% that it should be legal. Yes, I have shared a hit or two in my time, but I am in no way close to being a pot head. Its been about a year and a half since my last "experience". I completely agree with many of the posters here that it should be legal and regulated by the gov. The "war on drugs" is a steaming pile. Make it legal, tax the hell out of it, and put that money to some real use. It won't mean any easier access to kids than they don't already have. Nor do I feel it is a "gateway" any more than beer is a gateway to fishing.

To all the naysayers... My biggest problem with the argument is that people in general don't accept responsibility for their own actions. Its much easier to blame other things for their screw-ups. How many of you drink responsibly? Is it the alcohol's fault if you don't? Is it the gun or the person behind the trigger that kills? If some butterfingered soccermom spills McDonald's coffee in her lap, why the HELL is big-red-shoe-wearin Ronald having to answer questions?????

Put the blame where it should be.

[spm]

I feel that we should legalize it and tightly regulate it. It would be a buttload of dollars for uncle sam. Having it illegal doesn't seem to cut down on the # of people doing it, but it does seem to send a lot of people to jail and ruin their lives. Sure, there are concerns about people on pot being lazy, but I believe booze is a much bigger problem.

I know several people who have gotten very sick from smoking pot, but each time it's turned out the pot was adulterated with some kind of foreign substance. So from my experience pot would be much safer if regulated.

I don't smoke pot (mainly b/c I don't really like the effects--call me crazy) so I have no vested interest in it. I just feel that a) the gov't could make a lot of money off of it and put a lot of black market types out of business, b) regulated pot would be safer, and c) we could stop ruining peoples lives by sending them to jail for a totally minor crime.

[DeaconBlue]

The continued upholding of the illegalization of pot has more to do with punishing hedonists of this world than saving America PERIOD.

[DeaconBlue]

Secondly (by the way) I don't think the anti-pot people will be able to handle how baddly they've been beaten.

[Painkiller]

I'm in the NO column. I had a buddy that hit the bong everyday back in high school. When I look at him now and see how he's ended up.... a lazy bum, and an addict (he said he couldn't get high off of pot anymore so he moved on to heroin, now he's on methadone) I realize I made the right decision by not smoking. Sadly, I think the day is coming when pot will be legal. That's the day humanity takes another step back, instead of another step forward.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by Skinsfan75
I'm in the NO column. I had a buddy that hit the bong everyday back in high school. When I look at him now and see how he's ended up.... a lazy bum, and an addict (he said he couldn't get high off of pot anymore so he moved on to heroin, now he's on methadone) I realize I made the right decision by not smoking. Sadly, I think the day is coming when pot will be legal. That's the day humanity takes another step back, instead of another step forward.

Here, here. Drink up.

[Painkiller]

Originally posted by Die Hard


Here, here. Drink up.

I'm not saying Pot is anymore or less dangerous than alcohol.....in and of itself. We could argue, and compare the two all night, and neither one of us would convince the other they are right. I'm against legalized pot, but if it's eventually made legal so be it. Majority rules. I just never heard of anybody moving on to heroin, because they couldn't get drunk of alcohol anymore. Truth is, alcohol really shouldn't be legal either, as much as I love my beer. As for the people who argue, well people should have the right to do what they want, well maybe. I'm just scared to think of what would happen to the country if pot was legal. Pauly Shore for president! :doh: My :2cents:

[AJWatson3]

actually i don't think it would be pauly shore for president, but imagine if coke were legal... it'd be George W. Bush for President.....:nono:

[Painkiller]

Yeah, and if pot was legal, we would have Bill "slick willie" Clinton for president.....oh yeah, I forgot he never inhaled. :rolleyes: No need to get hostile dude, I'm just sharing my opinon, on a board where clearly the majority is against me on this. That's fine, I don't mind going against the majority. I work in a situation all day where I'm surrounded, and vastly outnumbered by people who would cut my throat if they had the chance... this is kid play.

[bulmer1]

I have known many people who hhave smoked and still smoke pot. The first thing I have to say is that these people are just as active physically and more active mentally than people I know that drink on a regular basis. And by the way only two people that I know have ever done heroin. Yes they started with.......alcohol. Yes people that have a drug problem (cocaine, heroin etc.) amost always smoke pot too, but a person that murders people wouldnt mind getting in trouble for assault either. Another point is that even if its a gateway drug (which its not) thats only because if these kids are smoking it they are already criminals why not try something else that is illegal because if the government says pot is bad but it feels this good what about other drugs. My final point does not include the drug (tetrahydracanabinol) but hemp (tetrahydracanbinoid). Hemp is the most useful fiber in the world. Over 200 products made today could be made cheaper, better, and easier with hemp or hemp seed oil. Heck, Levis jeans were made from hemp because its 5 times stronger than cotton when used in clothes. Also 1 acre of hemp in 10 months produces the same amount of paper as 10 acres of trees in 10 years. Im sorry for rambling but as you can tell I feel strongly about this and have researched it extensively.:rasta: :cannibas: