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luckydevil
May-24th-2004, 02:36 PM
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000517184

Pew Survey Finds Moderates, Liberals Dominate News Outlets

By E&P Staff

Published: May 23, 2004 4:00 PM EST
NEW YORK Those convinced that liberals make up a disproportionate share of newsroom workers have long relied on Pew Research Center surveys to confirm this view, and they will not be disappointed by the results of Pew's latest study released today.

While most of the journalists, like many Americans, describe themselves as "moderate," a far higher number are "liberal" than in the general population.

At national organizations (which includes print, TV and radio), the numbers break down like this: 34% liberal, 7% conservative. At local outlets: 23% liberal, 12% conservative. At Web sites: 27% call themselves liberals, 13% conservatives.

This contrasts with the self-assessment of the general public: 20% liberal, 33% conservative.

The survey of 547 media professionals, completed this spring, is part of an important study released today by The Project for Excellence in Journalism and The Committee of Concerned Journalists, which mainly concerns more general issues related to newsrooms (an E&P summary will appear Monday).

While it's important to remember that most journalists in this survey continue to call themselves moderate, the ranks of self-described liberals have grown in recent years, according to Pew. For example, since 1995, Pew found at national outlets that the liberal segment has climbed from 22% to 34% while conservatives have only inched up from 5% to 7%.

The survey also revealed what some are sure to label a "values" gap. According to Pew, about 60% of the general public believes it is necessary to believe in God to be a truly moral person. The new survey finds that less than 15% of those who work at news outlets believe that. About half the general public believes homosexuality should be accepted by society -- but about 80% of journalists feel that way.

When the question of which news organizations actually tilted left or right, there was one clear candidate: Fox News. Fully 69% of national journalists, and 42% of those at the local level, called Fox News "especially conservative." Next up was The New York Times, which about one in five labeled "especially liberal."

Not surprisingly, views of how the press has treated President Bush break down along partisan lines. More than two out of three liberals feel the press has not been tough enough on Bush, while half the conservatives feel the media has been too tough.

Still, a little over half of national journalists (53%) give national media coverage of the administration an A or B rating.

While the sample of 547 interviewees is not large, Pew says that this selection represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." Newspapers were identified and circulation ranked using the 2003 Editor & Publisher International Year Book.

In an essay accompanying the survey, the directors of the sponsoring groups -- Bill Kovach, Tom Rosenstiel and Amy Mitchell --declare that broad conclusions about the political findings should be tempered by analyzing some of the details in the findings. For example, they identify strong "libertarian" leanings among journalists, including doubts about the role of "big government."
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Shocked, I tell you

chiefhogskin48
May-24th-2004, 02:45 PM
I also believe a lot of those "moderates" classified themselves as such because they are extremely self-conscious of perpetuating the nation's notion of a "liberal media."

Destino
May-24th-2004, 02:45 PM
Actually what the pew survey found is that Moderates dominate news outlets. Liberals place second, conservatives third.

Reality shines through, no matter how bad people may want to believe otherwise.

Irony of the day: An article attempting to show proof of bias is itself bias.

Note the tone:
"continue to call themselves moderate"

"the ranks of self-described liberals have grown"

"At national organizations (which includes print, TV and radio), the numbers break down like this: 34% liberal, 7% conservative. At local outlets: 23% liberal, 12% conservative. At Web sites: 27% call themselves liberals, 13% conservatives." (note we are given the breakdown for local and internet but not RADIO...hmm wonder why?)

Destino
May-24th-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by chiefhogskin48
I also believe a lot of those "moderates" classified themselves as such because they are extremely self-conscious of perpetuating the nation's notion of a "liberal media."

Or perhaps many conservatives did the same to over blow the "liberal media" myth? Just as likely as your assumption, although the posted article clearly WANTS us to believe what you wrote.

luckydevil
May-24th-2004, 02:50 PM
"the ranks of self-described liberals have grown" (note they don't tell us if conservatives have or not)

"while conservatives have only inched up from 5% to 7%"


(note we are given the breakdown for local and internet but not RADIO...hmm wonder why?)

" national organizations (which includes print, TV and radio )"

Destino
May-24th-2004, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by luckydevil
"while conservatives have only inched up from 5% to 7%"
My mistake



Originally posted by luckydevil
" national organizations (which includes print, TV and [B]radio )"
Should have quit while you were ahead. We are given the break down of Local and internet but not TV, Radio, and print. I question that because the number polled is far too small to get accurate picture of anything LOCAL (by it's very nautre there are many) yet they point it out. I'd have too see the actual survey too see what numbers were left out.

I can't find it on the pew site. If you find it link it please.

Still the fact remains the media is by far moderate, not liberal. Even according to these numbers.

luckydevil
May-24th-2004, 02:58 PM
We are given the break down of Local and internet, numbers seperate from those that included in that which your quote is describing. They don't however give us a seperate radio break down, which leads me too believe that we are given the highlights that supports the "media is liberal" myth.

One would think local outlets means radio and TV

Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
May-24th-2004, 03:02 PM
From my personal experience almost no one who calls themselves "moderates" is a conservative or libertarian. Instead, they are usually old-style Democrats who don't hate their country and don't embrace every aspect and program of socialism.

Maybe a few RiNOs in there like COnnie Morella.

luckydevil
May-24th-2004, 03:08 PM
I can't find it on the pew site. If you find it link it please.

EDIT:

A better link

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=829

I did like this part

More Agreement on Safety Net

There is more common ground between news professionals and the public in attitudes toward individual freedom and government assistance for needy people. Identical majorities of local journalists (58%) and the public (58%) say it is more important that Americans be free to pursue their goals without government interference, than that government guarantee that no one is in need.

National journalists are divided over this question * 49% place higher priority on freedom from government interference while 42% say it is more important that the government play an active role to guarantee aid to the needy. Opinion among Internet journalists divides along similar lines: 51% believe freedom from government interference is more important; 43% say a government guarantee of aid for the needy is more important.

However, I am very skeptical ( see Gingrich rise to power)

Cskin
May-24th-2004, 03:45 PM
I think "moderate" is a moniker Liberals hide behind until it's safe to come out.

Kilmer17
May-24th-2004, 03:49 PM
shocking findings...........really.

Ancalagon the Black
May-24th-2004, 06:15 PM
In an essay accompanying the survey, the directors of the sponsoring groups -- Bill Kovach, Tom Rosenstiel and Amy Mitchell --declare that broad conclusions about the political findings should be tempered by analyzing some of the details in the findings. For example, they identify strong "libertarian" leanings among journalists, including doubts about the role of "big government."

Still shocked?

Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
May-24th-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black


Still shocked?

Depends on WHICH journalists, of course. :)

Henry
May-24th-2004, 09:08 PM
I think what Ghost and Cskin are trying to say is that anyone who doesn't claim to be conservative must be a liberal. Well, I hate to break it to you guys, but someone calling anyone who's more liberal that himself 'liberal' isn't all that earth-shattering. :)

Buford
May-25th-2004, 07:53 AM
I was watching Joe Scarborough last night and something jumped out at me. Maybe I'm late on this one.

He'll sit there and complain about media not talking about the good stuff that's happening in Iraq.

Then he'll bring on an expert to do the same....they'll circle tiny headlines from national newspapers........"Hmmmm, see....28 negative stories to this one tiny positive one"

and then that's it.

He used his whole time to complain rather than me the guy who really shows the good stuff that's happening. Schools and Hospitals being built.....or maybe people not starving.

I don't know...........seems like a waste of time.



click

Destino
May-25th-2004, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Bufford 3.3

I don't know...........seems like a waste of time.


Have you ever heard of a "useful myth" how about "working the ref"? That's what the "vast left wing liberal super villain media conspiracy against america™" thing being pushed by the right is all about.

Thiebear
May-25th-2004, 08:18 AM
It works the same as the George Carlin skit:

Anyone that drives slower than you is a moron
Anyone that drives faster than you is crazy

Anyone more liberal than you is a moron
Anyone more conservative is crazy

It's all opinionated....

Who did and didnt show the presidents announcement last night?
Who chose to show cicaida recipe's instead? or a plastic surgery beauty contest......