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chiefhogskin48
May-30th-2004, 09:52 AM
I think Cosby's comments are something that just about everyone agrees with, but are just afraid to say. Black communities/families have got to make a fundamental shift in how they view education, work, and morality.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040525.shtml

Bill Cosby has provided a lot of laughs for millions of Americans over the years but black "leaders" were not laughing after he lashed out at those black parents who buy their children expensive sneakers instead of something educational. He also denounced both those children and those adults in the black community who refuse to speak the king's English.

"Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads," Cosby said. "You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth." He also mocked those who referred to "the incarcerated" as "political prisoners."

At this gathering on the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, some in the audience laughed and applauded but the pillars of the black "leadership" establishment -- the head of the NAACP, the head of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and the president of Howard University -- were "stone-faced," according to the Washington Post.

Theodore Shaw of the Legal Defense Fund then "told the crowd that most people on welfare are not African Americans, and many of the problems his organization has addressed in the black community were not self-inflicted."

Other groups are not perfect -- but is that an excuse for doing self-destructive things?

Bill Cosby and the black "leadership" represent two long-standing differences about how to deal with the problems of the black community. The "leaders" are concerned with protecting the image of blacks, while Cosby is trying to protect the future of blacks, especially those of the younger generation.

Far from just bashing blacks, Cosby has given generously to promote black education. But he is still old-fashioned enough to think that others need to take some responsibility for using the opportunities that were gained for them by "people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education."

Now, in too many black communities, dedicating yourself to getting an education is called "acting white."

These are painful realities and they do not become any less real or any less painful by hushing them up. Nobody enjoys being made to look bad in public. But too many in the black community are preoccupied with how things will look to white people, with what in private life would be concern about "what will the neighbors think?"

When your children are dying, you don't worry about what the neighbors think. When the whole future of a race is jeopardized by self-destructive fads, you put public relations on the back burner.

There are still whites out there who think that blacks are innately incapable of achievement -- and some of them support affirmative action for that reason. But there is plenty of evidence that innate ability, or even developed mental skills, are not the big problem.

Not only blacks with low test scores, but even blacks with high test scores, do not do as well academically as whites with the same test scores. Among Asian Americans, it is just the opposite. They do better than whites with the same test scores, whether in educational institutions or in economic activities.

Years ago, Cosby urged a group of young blacks to put more effort into their studies, the way Asian students do. "Do you know why they are called Asians?" he asked. "Because they always get A's."

The differences among all these groups are in one four-letter word that you are still not supposed to say: work.

Anyone who has taught black, white, and Asian students will know that they do not work equally. Studies show it but you don't need studies. Just go into a university library on a Saturday night and see who is there and who is not there.

In some places, you might think it was an all-Asian university, judging by the students in the library on Saturday night.

How surprised should you be when you go into a classroom on Monday morning and find out who is on top of the work and who is struggling to keep up?

What Bill Cosby said was no laughing matter. It is closer to being something to cry about.



©2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

fmorris
May-30th-2004, 10:17 AM
Bravo to Bill, and Mr. Sowell. Black, white, or asian, there are no short cuts (or angles) to higher education. In the end, there has to be a personal commitment of hard work. Or maybe that's an outdated ideal?

rfdc
May-30th-2004, 10:48 AM
chiefhogskin48, Thanks for the article - still bringing in some good readings!


Yes! Refreshing!

I agree on that and would like to add that African American, Black or whatever the preference is, networks, need to do one additional thing.

Stop showing other mediums of adult entertainment, every time you show a good movie production, stop mixing up contradictions with the same and gospel, religous productions, within the same network. It is rapidly turning off the Black youth from taking words of the gospel seriously, as they see the immediate contradiction from the network.

That is a negative I hear from younger teeens here. "Why they got to show all adult entertainment, racially charged lyriced rappers, on the heels of religious programming???" I have no idea, but they clearly see that the network is making money, which is fine, but at the expense of sending their little brothers and sisters (the 11- 16 year olds, who are still up watching this and getting more confused than the older ones.

No one's showing a consistant program, with the intensity of "The Practice", "Cold Cases" or Law and Order "Criminal Intent" on BET, why? Why the consistant joning gang, misconstruing what white people do or even "over-focus" overstated, reran tired, jokes about white people or the dry tired, over ridiculous, stereotyped to all he** interracial relationship show on national tv (Whoopi Goldberg). We know Black women can be sharp, short tongued, sassy, neck moving, in your face talkers, finger waving not spared. I have 8 sisters to prove it. However, by the same note, I always think Whoopi overplays her roles, trying to hard to make sure you catch her Africano bravado. Toning down isn't as necessary, as emphasizing not trying too hard to impress those in the younger set.

I say be yourself and stick to a "true" way of educating a part of society that is poised yet again to be poisoned by what sells, not what's important. All Black kids aren't going to make rap videos, entertain or play sports in their lives. Some will determine how we live the rest of our lives, when we get cut, drive a car, eat our food or ask for help from the government. As a matter of fact, We (Blacks) could just as well be the biggest and most negative turnaround in economic history, over the next 5 years, if we don't spend more time emphasizing to the youth, what is "really" important in your daily life, not just what you "want".

Cskin
May-30th-2004, 03:05 PM
I saw O'Reilly rip a guy associated with BET TV. O'Reilly indicated that from 11:30 to 6:30pm on a Sat. BET played nothing but provacative videos degrading women, cursing, and glammorizing the Hip-Hop lifestyle. O'Reilly questioned why they would play this type of programming in hours of the day that young African Americans could watch. The representative just kept repeating the talking points given to him by his handlers, that BET has a wide array of programming... including religious programming on Sun. and other documentaries celebrating African American individuals.

The truth is.... BET has caved to the pressure for viewership and ratings by playing the same crap as MTV and VH1.... hip hop music with awful messages continuing to confuse and negatively influence the African American youth.

To me, the problem is poor role models, poor national leadership, and poor priorities of the parents.

Cosby was right on.... maybe a bit harsh with his tone.... but still right on.

TC4
May-30th-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Cskin
The truth is.... BET has caved to the pressure for viewership and ratings by playing the same crap as MTV and VH1.... hip hop music with awful messages continuing to confuse and negatively influence the African American youth.

And the reason all three are now all playing the same crap is because all three are now also all owned by Viacom

http://www.viacom.com/

semiskin
May-30th-2004, 08:57 PM
I love Bill Cosby and I respect him even more for saying this, if anyone has earned the right to say this he has, after everything he's done in terms of promoting the African-American family and culture.

Cskin
May-30th-2004, 09:38 PM
True TC4...thanks for pointing that out. I guess greed of money is more important than positively influencing our country's youth. Sad... very sad.... the moral decay in this country is disgusting.

And to think.... we're celebrating the "greatest generation" for the most part this weekend... people who looked after children and tried to instill the values and principles so they could become productive and successful adults to subsequently raise their children with values and principles.

chiefhogskin48
May-31st-2004, 09:33 AM
I wonder what OurYear56 has to say about this?

BurgundyBomber
May-31st-2004, 09:34 AM
'Black' leaders do not represent the views of all African-American no more than leaders of any other race represents the views of members of their race. In other words, a particular message by a leader, say self-empowerment by Rev. Jesse Jackson and his involvement in the civil-rights movement, may make him leader, but all African-Americans certainly do not agree with all or perhaps even most of his views. So if Bill Cosby or anyone says anything, some leaders are going to disagree and others will agree, just as individual African-American, or Americans will, for that matter. I mean, if someone is sitting in their armchair saying 'What? Dissention in the Black community?!!?' I just don't understand where that person has been or comes from.

And just because BET is basically the only black-oriented network it is not necessarily of or for the Black community, in my view. This was the case before it was owned by Viacom. It's Black Entertainment Television, fer cryin' out loud, I mean, that's like looking for education at an amusement park, concert, or sports arena. Every second Bill O'Reilly attends to BET's faults he should address MTV, USA, Spike, the Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, and any other network that plays questionable content from 6 - 11 or whatever.

Last time I was at Best Buys, they didn't sell a TV specifically for Black folks that only tuned BET. My point is that African-American youth have no shortage of negative influences (all youth for that matter), and if it doesn't come from BET it comes from elsewhere. In the end, their parents must monitor what they watch, and not only at home. They must communicate values and what constitutes acceptable and unacceptable behavior - they've got to parent. I think that we have become so concerned about the external injustices that not enough attention is paid to those internal issues that are within our control and perhaps not so glamorous to attend to.
Bill Cosby didn't invent the concept, someone just asked him an intelligent question while the cameras were rolling.

By the way, if you think only African-Americans watch BET, well you've got company on the armchair.

chiefhogskin48
May-31st-2004, 09:56 AM
Great post, BB.

I think what exists in the media today is a general degredation of morality and values. I can't believe the amount of cursing that is allowed on primetime major network television. Do the networks have any idea how disheartening it is to explain to my 5 yr old nephew what the word '*****' or 'sex' means. Or listening to the curse-fest on the 'reality' shows that permeate the nightly lineups, that aren't even really bleeped out? This is not late-night television, either. Obviously cable networks like Comedy Central push the envelope even further. It's a damn shame. People shouldn't look to TV for moral lessons, but we shouldn't be afraid to turn it on either.

I think O'Reilly is equally critical of all trash networks (like MTV, VH1, etc) and their deletrious effect on all youth. I wish more people would do the same.

Hip-hop is an extremely easy target, because, well, it is as immoral as it gets. Songs about "fuking bitches", shooting people, and worshipping money (bling-bling) above all else... No matter how ridiculous this message is, it resonates among many youth (no matter what their race).

TC4
May-31st-2004, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by BurgundyBomber
Every second Bill O'Reilly attends to BET's faults he should address MTV, USA, Spike, the Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, and any other network that plays questionable content from 6 - 11 or whatever.

You must not watch Bill O'Reilly very much. While he doesn't go after USA, Spike, Cartoon Network, or Comedy Central, he goes after MTV on a regular basis

And as for the networks other that MTV you speak of, what "questionable content" are you refering to exactly? The reruns of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" and "ST:The Next Generation" that Spike TV shows from 7-9? Or the stand up comedy that Comedy Central shows many nights from 7-10, shows where all the cuss words have been bleeped out? As for the Cartoon Network, they don't show anything that bad until 11, when they have a set of cartoons called "Adult Swim", but that is why they show those after 11 PM

Maybe the reason that O'Reilly doesn't go after them is because in their cases there is nothing to go after

scskin
May-31st-2004, 10:56 AM
If Cosby gets so much kudos for saying the obvious, then I wonder what people have to say about the man that has said the same thing for the last 30 years( not Jesse Jackson ). I guess if an entertainer says it it carries more weight. Sometimes we need to check the message not the messenger.

BurgundyBomber
May-31st-2004, 10:00 PM
Thanks Chief. Unfortunately segments of hip-hop culture, particularly violence and materialism, is in vogue right now, and the kiddies have a hard time separating fact from the fiction (although with a few cases like 50 Cent, it might be all fact).

TC4, if Bill O'Reilly rails against all the networks broadcasting mature content from 6 -11, great. I watch him from time to time, but I don't schedule my day around him. Just seems when I catch him he's ranting about Snoop Dog and gangsta rap, which he ought, but I don't hear him say much about other destructive genres. Maybe I missed that too.

But my point (actually Bill Cosby's point probably) really is that crap is going to be available somewhere at any gievn tiem, and addressing the source is only part of the solution. As a parent, it's up to me to monitor what my child watches, not to just turn on the TV and walk away, or perhaps worse yet, watch this crap with 'em.

I agree with scskin that the message is timeless, and that's what ought to sink in.