Al Harrington?

[method man]

This is from espn.com

The biggest speculation centers on forward Al Harrington, who had a breakout season as the Pacers' top reserve and sometimes starter. Harrington, though, has expressed a strong interest in being a regular starter and may be reluctant to accept a similar role next season.


the guy had a nice season this year with 6 rpg and 13 ppg last season. he is a rebounding small forward unlike jarvis hayes. the article on espn.com stated that he is a good player for how much he is being paid and that the pacers could look to get rid of him due to their glut of small forwards. im not sure what his projected salary is for next season. the article also stated that the pacers are interested in getting an outside shooter or a big man in return. we have both...

i think the wizards could trade stackhouse who only costs 1 or 2 million more than harrington or they can do a sign-and-trade deal with etan thomas or they can explore yet another avenue. they can look to package laettner and stackhouse for harrington.

[Skinned]

I heard that the Bulls might offer their #3 pick for Harrington since this draft was not full of guarantees.

[method man]

A newspaper report out of Chicago claims the Bulls would trade the third overall pick in the draft for Harrington if the Pacers also took on one of their "bad" contracts, such as those belonging to Eddie Robinson or Jerome Williams.

this is according to pro sports daily

i guess you may be rite... who would u rather hav? eddie robinson and dwight howard or stack....well the situation can take a dramatic change if miller retires then the pacers need a replacement...i think the pacers believe stack could really create a real threat in the back court which would take pressure off JO and artest. if we are competing with the bulls, we can add in a sign-and-trade of etan thomas.

[Skinned]

Rick Carlisle was just quoted as saying that the look of next years team will be drastically different. No specifics but the most speculation has gone to what will happen with Harrington.

[method man]

harrington is a guy we should try to get. he is a five or six-year veteran with 13.3 million and 2 years left on his contract which is a bargain. several experts think he has all-star potential. we should try swapping stack for harrington. stack's value will be retained a bit by not exposing him in the expansion draft.

[Skinned]

I can't imagine anyone wanting Stack at this point.:doh:

[fixer26er]

Remember Stack's most productive year in the L was under Carlisle. If anyone was willing to give Stack another shot I'd be willing to bet it'd be Carlisle.

[method man]

o shoot i forgot about carlisle... how was the stack-carlisle relationship in detroit?

[method man]

also wut is the consensus on the board? do you guys want him on our team?

[SAMB0]

I dont know, Id really like to have him to add depth. If Huhes doesn't come back Jarvis can move to sg maybe?

[Saint Joe]

I don't think anyone wouldn't want to have Harrington, he is clearly an up and coming star. However, I can't figure out why Harrington would want to come to Washington. But then again, I couldn't understand why Arenas wanted to come to Washington. I guess because it was between the Wiz and the Warriors, tough choice.

[method man]

skinsfan589,

harrington has 2 years left on his contract. his goal is to probably become a starter in those 2 years and shine. he will probably want a big payday after that. washington is an awesome place for him to play because he will be the no. 2 option after arenas.

[fixer26er]

I am not sure how their relationship was. I can tell you that the year before Carlisle was hired, Stack averaged almost 30 points a game and was just a scorer. The year after(Carlisle's first year) Stack only averaged 21 points a game(still led the team), averaged 5-6 boards, 4-5 assists(led team), was good defender, got to the free throw line and most importantly led the team to a 50 win season.

He bought into Carlisle's system and became the ultimate team player. Hopefully Carlisle remembers.

I really think if Carlisle does, there is a good chance a deal gets done. Reggie Miller is no spring chicken. They are going to need to start thinking about replacing him. I like Fred Jones, but I don't think he is the answer. I think the Pacer's want someone to come in and help them get over the hump. Stack can do that if he is willing to play second or maybe even third fiddle.

I guess it all comes down to if Carlisle still believes in Stack.

[method man]

i was worried about the relationship because carlisle was willing to have stack replaced by another SG in hamilton. But maybe the deal was done so the pistons could add depth with hubert davis maybe or they liked having hamilton's mid-range jumper and the ultimate second-fiddle over stack's selfishness and bad locker room influence.

anyways stackhouse for harrington makes sense for both teams.

[method man]

btw pacers may be amenable to take stack, because his salary is not exactly bad. 8 million per year is somewhat of a bargain for a player his caliber.

[fixer26er]

Originally posted by method man
i was worried about the relationship because carlisle was willing to have stack replaced by another SG in hamilton. But maybe the deal was done so the pistons could add depth with hubert davis maybe or they liked having hamilton's mid-range jumper and the ultimate second-fiddle over stack's selfishness and bad locker room influence.

anyways stackhouse for harrington makes sense for both teams.

I think the deal had more to do with Dumars than it did with Carlisle, from what I understand. That's my only concern about a Wizards-Pacers deal involving Stack and Harrington, that Carlisle may not have enough pull in the personnel department. Bird may not want to add a player with the reputation Stack currently has.

[monkey66]

I definitely agree that Harrington would be a nice pickup, but not for Thomas. Etan is the only player we have with any low post presence at all.

For Stack? In a heartbeat...

[method man]

the thing with etan is that i think that because he is a restricted FA he will cost twice as much his contract against the cap if we resign him. i am thinking that if etan doesn't sign a 1-year deal that we should go after keon clark as a backup.

[Skinned]

Depends what the Pacers consider his caliber to be???

If Wes Unseld was heading the Pacers front office, we would be getting the young superstar to be in Harrington and the Pacers would end up with Mr. Stackhouse. Sounds like a Webber for Mitch Richmond deal all over again!

[monkey66]

Originally posted by method man
the thing with etan is that i think that because he is a restricted FA he will cost twice as much his contract against the cap if we resign him.

Really? I didn't realize that. Certainly makes it a more difficult decision whether to resign him...

[Skinned]

This hasn't been updated for 2004, but here were the Salary Cap Exceptions up till 2003:

MORE NBA SALARY CAP EXCEPTIONS

(1) Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (“Bird”) Exception. A team may re-sign its own free agent for any amount up to the maximum player salary if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior three consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade).

(2) Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (“Early Bird”) Exception. A team may re-sign its own free agent for the greater of (a) 175% of the player’s salary in the last season of his prior contract, or (b) the average player salary, if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior two consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade). A contract signed using the Early Bird Exception must be for at least two seasons.

(3) Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (“Non-Bird”) Exception. A team may re-sign its own free agent who is neither a “Bird” nor an “Early Bird” player for up to the greater of (a) 120% of the player’s salary in the last season of his prior contract, (b) 120% of the player’s minimum salary for the current season, or (c) if the player is a Restricted Free Agent, his Qualifying Offer amount.

(4) Disabled Player Exception. A team may replace a player who suffers a season-ending injury with one player making up to 50% of the injured player’s current salary, up to a maximum of the average player salary. The Disabled Player Exception is available in the following circumstances:

(a) If the player is injured between July 1 and November 30 and is determined to be out for that season, the team has 45 days to use the Exception; or

(b) If the player is injured between December 1 and June 30 and is determined to be out for the subsequent season, the team has until the following October 1 to use the Exception.



Not quite sure what this implies....anybody?

[method man]

Originally posted by Skinned
Depends what the Pacers consider his caliber to be???

If Wes Unseld was heading the Pacers front office, we would be getting the young superstar to be in Harrington and the Pacers would end up with Mr. Stackhouse. Sounds like a Webber for Mitch Richmond deal all over again!

skinned,

we have two things on ours side.

1. reggie miller the current starter at SG is thinking about retirment (if the pacers do not get anyone in free agency, then their starter at SG is fred jones)

2. the pacers are close to getting to the championship so i am thinking that they would be willing to trade their backup small forward for a top 10 shooting guard when healthy who does not break the bank and who the current coach has coached before (all the pacers have at this point is j.o. and artest and a bunch of role players)

if they want to beat the pistons they will have to get help in their backcourt. i think even our backcourt of arenas and hughes is at least 3x as deadly as tinsley and miller


this is not webber for richmond because unlike us when we did the deal, the pacers are a championship contender.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Skinned
I can't imagine anyone wanting Stack at this point.:doh:

Well start.

Dont forget this guy is only a couple years removed from being a league leader in points. Someone wants that.

He just had a year of rest. He should be fresh come this next year.

I wonder if Detriot know about this knee thing before they traded him.

[Skinned]

It is easy to think that Stack has value based on his early years, but the guy is on the decline and making $8M/year. You are dreaming if you really think that Indiana considers Stack the answer to their problems. You are also dreaming if you think that 8M is not expensive.

[method man]

skinned,

he is going to get 7 million next season and 7.5 mi the season after that. he will not get 8 mil till 3 seasons from now. for someone who scores over 20 ppg, 7 mil is not bad.

[Skinned]

Even at 7 Mill that is very steep. If he was as you said a 20 point scorer still, then great, but unfortunately he is not. With Arenas and Hughes aboard, Jerry will be happy to pitch in 15 if he is lucky enough to stay healthy.

[method man]

he did not average 20 ppg last season because he was still recovering from his injury and didnt have his explosiveness. he still managed to average 14.5 ppg. But if the pacers can be made to believe that stack is still a top 10 SG, this deal is possible

[method man]

if we draft livingston and we cant move stack, y not hughes for harrington. hughes will easily be the starter in indiana. he had a breakout year last year. if we draft livingston, hughes is going to the bench. and he only has 1 year left on his contract which the pacers could potentially like.

[Buford]

I think the new Carolina team would want Stackhouse. He's not a bad player. He went to UNC, he's popular down there.....and it would be HIS team.

I think they take him in the expansion draft because we make a deal to eat part of his salary.

[method man]

rock,

lets pray that happens. if it happens, we would be rolling around in salary cap space. if stack is gone, we can sign 2 above-average to almost-allstar FAs that will make us a playoff contender.