4 more to go Barry

[jbooma]

Till you hit 700 :cheers:

Just wait till Sunday to hit that ball since I will be in San Fran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

if they actually pitched to the guy he might have 80 in a season :notworthy

[Bigkatt]

Originally posted by jbooma
Till you hit 700 :cheers:

Just wait till Sunday to hit that ball since I will be in San Fran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

if they actually pitched to the guy he might have 80 in a season :notworthy

Yep......and if he didn't take Roids he might hit 12 in a season :cheers:

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by Hog53


Yep......and if he didn't take Roids he might hit 12 in a season :cheers:

Yeah, right.



:rolleyes:

[Stu]

I saw the title and thought Marion Barry got picked up for something again.

[Cskin]

Here's to hoping he never breaks the record. Ungrateful piece of sh*t. Bloated roid rage racist moron.

[portisizzle]

I was feeling good about this guy until the Balco steroid disaster. In fact I have four of his darling roookie baseball cards just waiting for the day when he breaks the record. Now I am sure this record will (should) have an astericks by it.

In a way i feel sorry for the guy.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Cskin
Here's to hoping he never breaks the record. Ungrateful piece of sh*t. Bloated roid rage racist moron.

the man has been tested, so untill he tests positive why don't you :stfu: :)

[portisizzle]

Booma, he may have been tested, but that is not to say that he was never doped up. Anyone who looks at Giambi, Sosa, Bonds...........etc. knows a human body just does not grow that large and still remain flexible enough to produce bat speed.

Bonds doped up, bank it.

[TheDoyler23]

To be considered (in my book) the 'greatest homerun hitter of all time' he needs to hit @ least 800, maybe 850.

With potential steroids, body armour, watered down/expansion pitching, and smaller ballparks, he needs to hit way more than Ruth or Aaron.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by portisbowwow
Booma, he may have been tested, but that is not to say that he was never doped up. Anyone who looks at Giambi, Sosa, Bonds...........etc. knows a human body just does not grow that large and still remain flexible enough to produce bat speed.

Bonds doped up, bank it.

he could have used an over the counter supplement which is legal, and everyone is doing so untill he has been tested positive just give it a break and enjoy history, we may never see anything like this again

the fact Henry is rooting for him should tell you something, and don't think that players in the past didn't cheat also, baseball has always been known for cheaters

[Renegade7]

Roids might help you get stronger, but it doesn't help you hit a 90 mile per hour fast ball. If it was a case where you could take steriods and be able to hit the ball like there's a magnet on your bat)the ball made out of metal) don't you think they would be a lot more people doing it? Bonds is dominating, and it's not because of roids. It's because he's that good.

[afparent]

I will give Bonds this, of all the athletes who were under the BALCO radar, he is the only once whose performance hasn't slipped.

I also believe that more people are "juiced" up then we will ever know. Think about it....we know people have been caught so you are telling me that a "natural" athlete can out perform the ones who are on it. I find that hard to believe.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by Renegade7
Roids might help you get stronger, but it doesn't help you hit a 90 mile per hour fast ball. If it was a case where you could take steriods and be able to hit the ball like there's a magnet on your bat)the ball made out of metal) don't you think they would be a lot more people doing it? Bonds is dominating, and it's not because of roids. It's because he's that good.

I was not questioning the man's talent of hitting a 90+ mile fastball. I was questioning the fact that when he hit a ball well how far can it go. In other words, how many homeruns did Bonds hit under the influence of steroids that would have otherwise been warning track outs.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by jbooma


he could have used an over the counter supplement which is legal, and everyone is doing so untill he has been tested positive just give it a break and enjoy history, we may never see anything like this again

the fact Henry is rooting for him should tell you something, and don't think that players in the past didn't cheat also, baseball has always been known for cheaters


Cheating does not make it right, though. And the steroid issue is one that will smear his accomplishment for all time and eternity. Ten years from now we should look at statistics in baseball (HR, Slugging Percentage) to identify the real effects of drugs in baseball. Scary.

[afparent]

Originally posted by Renegade7
Roids might help you get stronger, but it doesn't help you hit a 90 mile per hour fast ball. If it was a case where you could take steriods and be able to hit the ball like there's a magnet on your bat)the ball made out of metal) don't you think they would be a lot more people doing it? Bonds is dominating, and it's not because of roids. It's because he's that good.

Yes but the roids build mass and strength. that combined with bat speed makes the ball go a long way

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by BDBuddy23
To be considered (in my book) the 'greatest homerun hitter of all time' he needs to hit @ least 800, maybe 850.

With potential steroids, body armour, watered down/expansion pitching, and smaller ballparks, he needs to hit way more than Ruth or Aaron.

Correct me if I am wrong, but both Fenway and Wrigley are bandboxes and they have been around for 50+ years. Does that cheapen the HR hitters who played in both? Was Ernie Banks not worthy of the HOF because he hit 60%+ of his homers in a tiny wind assisted park?

And what does potential steroids mean? Do you think steroid use is up from the 1980's and 1970's? Seriously? Besides the fact that Bonds has never tested positive for any banned drug. But what the hell, guilt by association right?

And again, do you honestly think that pitching is diluted? Modern day pitching blows the 1920's 1910's 1930's pitching away, easily. You don't have pitchers who pitch every 2 or 3 days rest now, you don't have pitchers who have to worry about going all 9 innings...and you don't have pitchers who rely on curve, change, fastball as their only pitches. The splitter and slider have become an effective pitch for many - although they limit the life of the pitcher.

Now, if you want to argue about equipment (i.e. better baseballs and better bats) then you have a point. But you didn't take that route, and thus, I think you wasted everyone's time.

[Predicto]

Bonds has hit in a pitcher's park for his entire career. Candlestick was a pitcher's park, and Pac Bell favors the pitcher more than any ballpark in the majors. Ruth hit in true bandboxes. With a few exceptions, ball parks did not start getting big until the 1960s.

As far as 'roids go, Bonds has not been proven to have taken them, but . I'm sure he took "something." So did Sosa. So did Giambi. So did McGwire. So did every single slugger in the game in the late 1990s. Yes, the guy you like who plays for the team you root for, he took something too. So, I can't make that big a deal of it.

Bonds is the greatest player of the last half century. To deny him his due is to confuse personality (which he lacks) with greatness (which he doesn't). He has carried completely mediocre Giants teams into contention for year after year. His stats are mindboggling. His focus never wavers. The fear he placed in opposing managers is unmatched. I have seen him intentionally walked to bring in a run late in a close game.

You can hate him all you want, but if you don't respect him, you don't know squat about baseball.

[mookie0720]

All of your hated towards Bonds as a player is based on his personality and his alleged steroid use. Even if he is juiced up he still has to hit a 90+ mph fastball 325+ feet. Steroids may send those balls an extra 10 feet or so, but the ones Barry hits are monsterous shots, 400+ feet. Even on steroids Barry would still have to work his ass off in the weight room to get as big as he is today, steroids don't just automatically make you big. If you are going to disregard everything Bonds does simply because of alleged steroid use then discard all the accomplishments of McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Giambi, Sheffield and every other player who started their career small, and ended up huge. Bonds got big over a decade, not over months.

[sonsofwashington]

Just as long as he doesn't get to the top I don't care how many he hits. Barry is not the HR hitter that Arron or Ruth were. I said HR hitter.......not hitter in general. HR hitter HR hitter!

[sonsofwashington]

Originally posted by mookie0720
All of your hated towards Bonds as a player is based on his personality and his alleged steroid use. Even if he is juiced up he still has to hit a 90+ mph fastball 325+ feet. Steroids may send those balls an extra 10 feet or so, but the ones Barry hits are monsterous shots, 400+ feet. Even on steroids Barry would still have to work his ass off in the weight room to get as big as he is today, steroids don't just automatically make you big. If you are going to disregard everything Bonds does simply because of alleged steroid use then discard all the accomplishments of McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Giambi, Sheffield and every other player who started their career small, and ended up huge. Bonds got big over a decade, not over months.

Mark M hits like 71 HR's and then claims he used supplements which I believe are banned now (not sure, anyway he got HUGE quick cause of them). Barry, who never really came close to the single season HR record, hits 73 like a few years later but never admits anything. NO ONE has ever hit over 70.....EVER EVER EVER before these two...not even close.

To me it is obvious Barry is on something and it probably should be banned if it isn't already. HELL...LSD was legal until they banned it! It is so crystal clear that I dont understand why people act like barry is clean. OK he didn't test positive, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is clean. He may get the HR record, ut Aaron and Ruth will still be better HR hitters in my book.


Barry as the HR champ:puke:

[pr11fan]

The stats don't lie. Up until 2000 his highest hr total was 46 which was 93 when he was 29. Now in 2000 at the age of 36 he hits 49, then 73, 46, and 45. Not coincidentally around 1999-2000 he went from looking like Ken Griffey Jr. to Lavar. Keep in mind that we as humans begin to lose muscle mass little by little around age 30, yet he adds not just a little but an obscene amount of muscle well into his mid 30's. Bonds is a great hitter, one of the best of all time, but that added size ain't a coincidence and it isn't whey protein. I did bodybuilding shows, and worked in supplements while in college so nobody can tell me what the human body can and can't do naturally.

[big z]

700+ homerun club:

ruth
aaron
bonds*

[Predicto]

Originally posted by sonsofwashington
Just as long as he doesn't get to the top I don't care how many he hits. Barry is not the HR hitter that Arron or Ruth were. I said HR hitter.......not hitter in general. HR hitter HR hitter!

If they pitched to him the way they pitched to Aaron and Ruth, he'd have broken the record already. He gets 5 good pitches to hit in a series, and hits half of them out.

[TheDoyler23]

Originally posted by The Evil Genius


Correct me if I am wrong, but both Fenway and Wrigley are bandboxes and they have been around for 50+ years. Does that cheapen the HR hitters who played in both? Was Ernie Banks not worthy of the HOF because he hit 60%+ of his homers in a tiny wind assisted park?

And what does potential steroids mean? Do you think steroid use is up from the 1980's and 1970's? Seriously? Besides the fact that Bonds has never tested positive for any banned drug. But what the hell, guilt by association right?

And again, do you honestly think that pitching is diluted? Modern day pitching blows the 1920's 1910's 1930's pitching away, easily. You don't have pitchers who pitch every 2 or 3 days rest now, you don't have pitchers who have to worry about going all 9 innings...and you don't have pitchers who rely on curve, change, fastball as their only pitches. The splitter and slider have become an effective pitch for many - although they limit the life of the pitcher.

Now, if you want to argue about equipment (i.e. better baseballs and better bats) ...

Ruth was more of a pitcher for Boston than a homerun hitter. But when he did bat, he led the league in a 'deadball' era when nobody hit homeruns. When he first led the league in HR's with 29, the previous years leader was 10.

I didn't say he took steriods, I said that he potentially did. Ken Camanitti never failed a drug test but he's readily admitted to taking steroids during his career.

As for pitchers, It's two different eras. Baseball of the past was a game played more on the ground than air, and Babe Ruth revolutionized the air attack of baseball.

And lets talk about equipment, then. Over the past 10 years, there has been a dedicated effort from MLB to 'juice' the baseball. Not to mention that dozen or so launching pad stadiums that have been built.

When Ruth reached 500 homeruns, nobody ever had 1/2 of that.

I'm not saying that Bonds isn't a great player; he is. Easily the most dominant of the past 20 years. But the hr has been devalued over time.

[Predicto]

Originally posted by BDBuddy23


And lets talk about equipment, then. Over the past 10 years, there has been a dedicated effort from MLB to 'juice' the baseball. Not to mention that dozen or so launching pad stadiums that have been built.

When Ruth reached 500 homeruns, nobody ever had 1/2 of that.

I'm not saying that Bonds isn't a great player; he is. Easily the most dominant of the past 20 years. But the hr has been devalued over time.

Agree in part. The HR has been devalued lately. But people forget that baseball actually juiced the ball for Ruth too. When he started hitting tons of homers, so did everyone else (just not as many as him). These things go in cycles.

Plus, tere may be some launching pads out there, but Bonds plays half of his games in a Grand Canyon of a park.

I'm not saying Bonds is greater than Ruth, and no one could argue that Bonds had as big an overall impact on baseball or sports as Ruth. But Bonds is probably the best player SINCE Ruth.

[afkidd]

Originally posted by jbooma

the fact Henry is rooting for him should tell you something


not sure what that tells me. all i know is henry is a racist and i don't really care for him (or baseball because of people like him).

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by big z
700+ homerun club:

ruth
aaron
bonds*


Exactly, and if the record book does not actually show the astericks then it will surely exist in the minds of baseball fans. Sorry Bonds. Sorry

BTW, I have four of his rookie cards so it was not like I did not love the guys talent. He, along many current atheletes made some real bad decisions.

[Predicto]

Originally posted by afkidd



all i know is henry is a racist and i don't really care for him (or baseball because of people like him).

If that's all you know, then you need to do some learning. If Hank Aaron is cynical about race relations in this country, he has a right to be. He received tons of racist abuse and innumerable death threats for years because he had the audacity to try to take the home run record from the sainted caucasian Babe Ruth. I'd be bitter too.