Wizards at Sacramento

[Bugs']

Well we hung tough for most of the game...it didn't get out of hand until late in the fourth quarter....There are some things that stand out to why we lost tonight in my mind:

1.) Too many second chance points for the Kings

2.) Too much dribble penetration by the Kings guards

3.) Poor shooting from our reserve unit

4.) Too many turnovers as a team (we had around 20)

Some positives about tonights game:

1.) We never gave up (consistent theme for this year's team)

2.) Good play by Brendan

3.) Good dribble penetration by our guards


Overall, it was a fun game to watch and we made some runs but we just couldn't get over the hump tonight...

[mhd24]

Please, we lost this game because of three people: Eddie Jordan and his two sons: Michael Ruffin and Jarvis Hayes. Why does Jordan continue to play Ruffin? He doesn't rebound (notice he didn't have one rebound in his stint in the first half), he plays terrible defense (notice when the Wizards were down four (and EJ puts Ruffin in for Kwame who was doing a great job on Webber), Webber manages five stratight points? Unless Jordan figures out that the two worst players on the team right now are Hayes and Ruffin, the Wizards will not beat the upper echelon teams of the nba. Eddie Jordan is a terrible coach.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by mhd24
Please, we lost this game because of three people: Eddie Jordan and his two sons: Michael Ruffin and Jarvis Hayes. Why does Jordan continue to play Ruffin? He doesn't rebound (notice he didn't have one rebound in his stint in the first half), he plays terrible defense (notice when the Wizards were down four (and EJ puts Ruffin in for Kwame who was doing a great job on Webber), Webber manages five stratight points? Unless Jordan figures out that the two worst players on the team right now are Hayes and Ruffin, the Wizards will not beat the upper echelon teams of the nba. Eddie Jordan is a terrible coach.

Shut Up! :shutup:

Please, know what your talking about before you bash someone....who had 11 offensive rebounds against the Lakers and was one of the biggest if not the biggest reason we won?!? Hmm? Don't know? Ruffin! There is already a thread bashing Eddie Jordon, go sulk there...and Kwame was not doing a great job on Webber! God...I'm getting sick of all the Kwame *ss kissers and the EJ bashers....We lost to a good team on their court due mainly to turnovers and letting their guards dribble penetrate...is that Eddie's fault....I'm not going down this road....

:stfu:

[mhd24]

Yeah, and Ruffin proceeded to only have one defensive rebound in that Lakers game too. We won that game because of Arenas and Hughes, not Michael Ruffin. Why does Eddie Jordan contually go to Hayes when he playedd horrifically. Peeler is more steady and consistent. Peeler also plays defense.


When Eddie inexplixably put Kwame on the bench at 4:00 minutes to go, he put Ruffin on Webber who preoceeded to dominated Ruffin for a backbreaking 3-point play. Why doesn'tr Eddie play Haywood in the fourth quarters? We were dominated on the offensive glass late because Ruffin and Jamison couldn't rebound and block out. In 14 minutes, Ruffin couldn't mange one measley defenive rebound in the entire game. So what if he got those offensive rebounds, he just gave them back to the Kings because he can't block put tp save his life.

Brendan Haywood was 5-5 and at least blocking out Brad Miller.

[BayouBrave86]

Hayes took some of the dumbest shots I have ever seen. He needs to calm it down out there.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by mhd24
Yeah, and Ruffin proceeded to only have one defensive rebound in that Lakers game too. We won that game because of Arenas and Hughes, not Michael Ruffin. Why does Eddie Jordan contually go to Hayes when he playedd horrifically. Peeler is more steady and consistent. Peeler also plays defense.


When Eddie inexplixably put Kwame on the bench at 4:00 minutes to go, he put Ruffin on Webber who preoceeded to dominated Ruffin for a backbreaking 3-point play. Why doesn'tr Eddie play Haywood in the fourth quarters? We were dominated on the offensive glass late because Ruffin and Jamison couldn't rebound and block out. In 14 minutes, Ruffin couldn't mange one measley defenive rebound in the entire game. So what if he got those offensive rebounds, he just gave them back to the Kings because he can't block put tp save his life.

Brendan Haywood was 5-5 and at least blocking out Brad Miller.

Ruffin might of only had one defensive rebound tonight but he did lead the team in only 13 minutes with 4 offensive rebounds....that's his role...to get offensive rebounds, thats what he is paid to do and he is doing it well...As far as Hayes is concerned, he is in a big time shooting slump and the only way he will get out of it is to play and shoot....I believe he is a lot better than what he has been showing...I just wish he would stop making bad passes.

[endzone_dave]

I didn't get to watch the game last night but winning the 4th game of a "4 road games in 5 days" is extremely difficult. I'll cut the team some slack for losing that one. I'm sure they're glad they got through the trip winning two of them. I am.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

That wasn't really a bad loss. They're a really good team, who is 78-7 against East teams in their home arena. That's not too bad. It was tough because it looked like we kept it close enough to maybe steal it at the end, but we just couldn't make the defensive stops. I have to agree somewhat about Hayes and Ruffin. I love Ruffin's hustle on the offensive boards, but that's about all he can do. I have no idea why EJ plays him so much at the end of games. He's a huge liability offensively, and he's not a great defender. If his man touches the ball, there's a 95% chance that Ruffin will foul him. He doesn't get many defensive rebounds because either someone scores because we don't play good D, or because he fouled someone. And it looked like the Warriors started to do this the other night, and we will start seeing it more and more when we're up in close games, which is intentionally fouling Ruffin to put him on the foul line. He's probably the worst free throw shooter in the league. Ruffin should not be in at the end of games that are close. He's no better defensively than Kwame or Haywood, and they are much better offensively. And Hayes is shooting really bad right now and continues to take bad shots. I like Hayes and think he will be a very good player, but he is hurting the team right now by forcing bad shots at times when we need a basket really bad. I saw it a couple times last night in the few minutes I saw of the game.

[hands11]

Originally posted by mhd24
Please, we lost this game because of three people: Eddie Jordan and his two sons: Michael Ruffin and Jarvis Hayes. Why does Jordan continue to play Ruffin? He doesn't rebound (notice he didn't have one rebound in his stint in the first half), he plays terrible defense (notice when the Wizards were down four (and EJ puts Ruffin in for Kwame who was doing a great job on Webber), Webber manages five stratight points? Unless Jordan figures out that the two worst players on the team right now are Hayes and Ruffin, the Wizards will not beat the upper echelon teams of the nba. Eddie Jordan is a terrible coach.

This is why Ruffin plays
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(6.0)

Jarvis plays because he is supposed to be talented and Jordan wants to give him enough minutes to grow. Same things he has done with Jefferies.

Jefferies looks like he is getting better sometimes. I see him dribble/handle the ball much better, and he just looks so much more comfortable, then he reverts to playing scared.

He needs to just play his game. He has to shot when he is open and drive to the hoop. If he misses a few, that fine, defense has to know he will and can hit a 10-15 footer and that he will drive.
This will spread the defence more. I can see why they are so dedicated to making him better. He adds something we dont have in other players at his possition. Speed, ball handling, now if he can just get more aggressive and score more on something other then garbage pts.

As you can see with the Kings, everyone has to be able to score. You can get away with one guy being a Ruffin, Rodman, Ben Wallace type player. You know, someone that just get rebounds, loose balls and sets picks but you cant just have Hughes, Gil, and Jamison your only players who can score with the ball in thier hands. 3 out of 5 being able to score isnt enough to beat the better teams.

Ruffin is doing what he is called on to do.
I cant say the same for Hayes. 4-12. Another poor shoting night.

I was glad they gave Profit a few minutes.

[fixer26er]

Originally posted by Bugs'


Shut Up! :shutup:

Please, know what your talking about before you bash someone....who had 11 offensive rebounds against the Lakers and was one of the biggest if not the biggest reason we won?!? Hmm? Don't know? Ruffin! There is already a thread bashing Eddie Jordon, go sulk there...and Kwame was not doing a great job on Webber! God...I'm getting sick of all the Kwame *ss kissers and the EJ bashers....We lost to a good team on their court due mainly to turnovers and letting their guards dribble penetrate...is that Eddie's fault....I'm not going down this road....

:stfu:

Calm down.

He does know what he's talking about. There's a reason Ruffin is able to gobble up offensive rebounds, no one covers him. He is a liability on offense. It's a whole lot easier to grab offensive boards when you're not being boxed out. What does he do when he gets the boards? He either:

a.) Clanks a shot of the front of the rim.
b.) Get's fouled and clanks his ft shots off the front of the rim if they get that close.
c.) Throws a bad pass.
d.) Gets the ball stolen.

His defensive approach is well, I've got six fouls to give I'd better use them.

Haywood gets just as many offensive boards when he's in the game. The Wizards are a better team when Haywood is in the game. The numbers don't lie. Feel free to take a look.

At least Ruffin attempts to stop someone by fouling them. Hayes just gets torched. I understand he was playing Peja, but there is no excuse for him even being in the game when we need stops. Jeffries should have been playing D on Peja.

This was a close game. EJ inserted Ruffin and Hayes and the Kings pulled away.

I am not kissing Kwame's @ss. He has looked lethargic and frustrated since he's come back. He is obviously not at 100%, but to say that Jamison or Ruffin did a better job on Webber is crazy.

We had a chance to win this game and EJ blew it. Open your eyes. This team has the talent to win these games so there shouldn't be this "We played a good team on their turf" attitude.

[fixer26er]

One of the problems that was apparent last night is that if we are playing against a team with two all-star caliber forwards we'll be in trouble defensively. Jamison couldn't match up with either Webber or Peja, so we saw him playing against Miller, who proceeded to abuse him on the offensive glass. Not bashing Jamison, just pointing out that defense isn't what he is known for.

I hope Jamison has truly grown into this leadership role that he keeps talking about. Because when Kwame is all the way back he should be playing the PF position. I know Jamison had a problem with this in Golden State, he didn't want to move from PF to SF. I hope we don't see that again here, but I don't think we will. Just something to think about.

[hands11]

Originally posted by fixer26er
One of the problems that was apparent last night is that if we are playing against a team with two all-star caliber forwards we'll be in trouble defensively. Jamison couldn't match up with either Webber or Peja, so we saw him playing against Miller, who proceeded to abuse him on the offensive glass. Not bashing Jamison, just pointing out that defense isn't what he is known for.

I hope Jamison has truly grown into this leadership role that he keeps talking about. Because when Kwame is all the way back he should be playing the PF position. I know Jamison had a problem with this in Golden State, he didn't want to move from PF to SF. I hope we don't see that again here, but I don't think we will. Just something to think about.

Ahh, isnt he already playing SF. Jefferies is playing PF.