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bulldog

January-2nd-2005, 05:30 PM

1. Gardner - exemplifies Bart Simpson quote of 'underachiever and proud of it'. 4 years and still waiting for a strong 1a or 2 receiver to emerge in uniform #87.

2. Smoot - Smootie says he wants to remain a Skin but my guess is he wants to be paid Ty Law or Champ money based on one season of #1 corner play. A $15 million bonus for Smoot is not in the cards, not with the need to shore up the pass rush from the front four.

3. Matt Bowen - Bowen didn't do anything wrong. He just got hurt and that allowed a group of younger, cheaper players to show the staff they could step up and play. Andre Lott and Ryan Clark have better speed and are better pass defenders than Bowen and Sean Taylor is already there to deliver the big hits.

4. Chad Morton - the addition of Antonio Brown to the active roster for a late season tryout is evidence the staff is looking for a more cost effective (and productive!) option on returns. Morton is listed as a running back but at 180 doesn't have the size or durability to be a factor in the regular offense.

5. Michael Barrow - the Redskins may be tempted to bring Barrow back as insurance for 2005 against a Pierce injury but in the end I think the 35 year old Barrow will be too pricey for a backup and will be cut after June 1.

6. Raymer and Friedman - the Redskins will never be able to work a downfield passing game as long as every decent DT in the NFL is able to hook up for 1-2 sacks against the interior of the line. Raymer and Friedman came to the Redskins as backups and I think that is a fair approximation of what value they currently have. Raymer could be kept as a backup but there may be younger, cheaper options available in the offseason.

7. Darnerian McCants. This one is less a certainty but the fact a guy with a newly extended contract and with players struggling in front of him at WR remained inactive for the first 9 games indicates that somebody on the staff doesn't like him. Coles will return as will Thrash for ST. Jacobs is still cheap on his rookie contract. If we draft or sign a major WR I think Darnerian may be moved.

8. Renaldo Wynn. This is another 50/50 shot. Wynn clearly had a bounce back year from 2003 as he was healthy for the first time since joining the team in 2002. But his salary escalation is enough that the team should be getting a 8 or 9 sack DE out there and Renaldo at 30 is not capable of that type of production vs the pass. He is solid vs the run, however and could be retained as a character vet.

As an epilogue, I think the decision NOT to resign Smoot is an indication the Skins will attempt to rework Samuels' deal to keep him in Washington.

I also expect the team to resign Pierce and bring back role players Salave'a and Evans on the DL.

fdarugar

January-2nd-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by bulldog
1. Gardner - exemplifies Bart Simpson quote of 'underachiever and proud of it'. 4 years and still waiting for a strong 1a or 2 receiver to emerge in uniform #87.

2. Smoot - Smootie says he wants to remain a Skin but my guess is he wants to be paid Ty Law or Champ money based on one season of #1 corner play. A $15 million bonus for Smoot is not in the cards, not with the need to shore up the pass rush from the front four.

3. Matt Bowen - Bowen didn't do anything wrong. He just got hurt and that allowed a group of younger, cheaper players to show the staff they could step up and play. Andre Lott and Ryan Clark have better speed and are better pass defenders than Bowen and Sean Taylor is already there to deliver the big hits.

4. Chad Morton - the addition of Antonio Brown to the active roster for a late season tryout is evidence the staff is looking for a more cost effective (and productive!) option on returns. Morton is listed as a running back but at 180 doesn't have the size or durability to be a factor in the regular offense.

5. Michael Barrow - the Redskins may be tempted to bring Barrow back as insurance for 2005 against a Pierce injury but in the end I think the 35 year old Barrow will be too pricey for a backup and will be cut after June 1.

6. Raymer and Friedman - the Redskins will never be able to work a downfield passing game as long as every decent DT in the NFL is able to hook up for 1-2 sacks against the interior of the line. Raymer and Friedman came to the Redskins as backups and I think that is a fair approximation of what value they currently have. Raymer could be kept as a backup but there may be younger, cheaper options available in the offseason.

7. Darnerian McCants. This one is less a certainty but the fact a guy with a newly extended contract and with players struggling in front of him at WR remained inactive for the first 9 games indicates that somebody on the staff doesn't like him. Coles will return as will Thrash for ST. Jacobs is still cheap on his rookie contract. If we draft or sign a major WR I think Darnerian may be moved.

8. Renaldo Wynn. This is another 50/50 shot. Wynn clearly had a bounce back year from 2003 as he was healthy for the first time since joining the team in 2002. But his salary escalation is enough that the team should be getting a 8 or 9 sack DE out there and Renaldo at 30 is not capable of that type of production vs the pass. He is solid vs the run, however and could be retained as a character vet.

As an epilogue, I think the decision NOT to resign Smoot is an indication the Skins will attempt to rework Samuels' deal to keep him in Washington.

I also expect the team to resign Pierce and bring back role players Salave'a and Evans on the DL.

Gardner - His chances are "50/50".

Smoot - Looks like he's going to leave the team on bad terms a la Champ Bailey. :puke:

Bowen - Lott and Clark looked very good this year its going to be interesting to see what happens in camp between these 3 for the starting job.

Morton - Gone.

Barrow - Could be cut if we can't resign Pierce, he will definately be retained if Pierce leaves. :puke:

Raymer and Friedman - Gone.

McCants - This all depends on the Gardner situation, if Rod sticks around McCants is gone, if Rod gets traded, it will be a battle in camp for the #2 spot (Jacobs, McCants, Thrash) assuming we don't acquire a FA WR.

Wynn - I'd really like to see him restructure but if he doesn't hes gone as well.

SkinsGuy

January-2nd-2005, 05:48 PM

I think you are pretty much on target (if Smoot is asking for a Champ Bailey type deal).

The only 3 I would quibble with is Bowen (he's a good hard hitter and there is nothing wrong with depth at safety), Wynn (kinda.... he'll be here unless we can find a suitable replacement), and Barrow (again he's good and he doesn't cost THAT much. I think he is only gone if this knee problem is permanent).

Skins Guy

Vladimir L

January-2nd-2005, 05:49 PM

[B]1. Gardner - I say demote his ass to a 3rd WR. Bring in a better WR.

2. Smoot - 50/50

3. Matt Bowen - Will be gone it makes no sense to have a guy with a 15 million dollar contract at safety we could get a good Guard or Center

4. Chad Morton - See ya later

5. Michael Barrow - 2.5 Mil signing bonus! the guy is cheap bring him back. We might not get pierce back but with him I'd feel like he'll be safe person to hold on to.

6. Raymer and Friedman - What a pair of bums

7. Darnerian McCants - after the way Jacobs played today and Thrash he is gone.

8.Pierce - 50/50 money money money

9.Wynn - The guy is solid plays the run well but could be gone. This defense doesnt need lineman who rack up 15 sacks.

10. John Hall - Injured and avg kicker

11. Rock Cartwright - Play special teams or you'll be gone

12.Joe Sala'vea - key guy needs to stay but $$$$$$$$$$$$ we have other good back ups

13.Lavar - With Dan you never know 50/50

Ignatius J.

January-2nd-2005, 06:00 PM

here's why you're wrong about bowen.

bowen makes plays in ways that ryan clark and all the other safeties don't.

It's as simple as that.

You don't get rid of playmakers, and that's what bowen is.

Bowen and taylor both cause fumbles with thier hits, we need that kind of hard hitting tandem running rampant in the secondary, especially if smoot departs.

bulldog

January-2nd-2005, 06:03 PM

but what about the long completions and touchdowns that Bowen gives up because of his lack of footspeed? :)

Fresh1

January-2nd-2005, 06:03 PM

1. Gardner - see ya buddy

2. Smoot - dito, bring on Antrel Rolle or Corey Webster

3. Matt Bowen - I hope he'll stay, our only white boy left on D:laugh:

4. Chad Morton - See ya!!

5. Michael Barrow - 50/50

6. Raymer and Friedman - Jokers!! We be better off w/ a pair from the CFL or NFL Europe

7. Darnerian McCants - Once again, see ya later Gardner

8.Pierce - 50/50

9.Wynn - If he does go, it would be a very bad decision, one of the most underrated Ends in the league

10. John Hall - ??? Who cares

11. Rock Cartwright - ????? His name is too cool, he stays

12.Joe Sala'vea - As long as he doesn't get gready

13.Lavar - For Dan's well-being, lets hope not. I doubt the Secret Service could keep him safe if He let Lavar go.

What's up w/ old Timmy, I would like to keep him around if Patrick has an injury or mental lapse.

Ignatius J.

January-2nd-2005, 06:09 PM

bulldog....

come on man, bowen was playing out of position as a free safety.

In this defense with taylor taking on more deep coverage responsibilities, bowen can come up in the box and make stops.

Clark doesn't make enough tackles from any position on the field. He is covered up by the spectacular play that surrounds him.

That cover can make up for bowen's weaknesses, while allowing bowen to blitz more often, leaving shawn springs in coverage.

Notice how ryan clark isn't nearly as effective of a blitzer?

KDawg

January-2nd-2005, 06:12 PM

The fact that LaVar is on these lists proves that people do NOT pay attention. We CANNOT cut LaVar due to the cap, nor SHOULD we cut LaVar... Our defense is going to be THAT much better with him.

Vladimir L

January-2nd-2005, 06:14 PM

Clarks job isnt blitzing. Clark covers pretty well thats a safeties job. Bowen is not an amazing safety.

barry wilburn

January-2nd-2005, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by bulldog

7. Darnerian McCants. This one is less a certainty but the fact a guy with a newly extended contract and with players struggling in front of him at WR remained inactive for the first 9 games indicates that somebody on the staff doesn't like him. Coles will return as will Thrash for ST. Jacobs is still cheap on his rookie contract. If we draft or sign a major WR I think Darnerian may be moved.

I don't think McCants' departure is at all uncertain. I absolutely love the guy, but it is crystal clear that the coaches do not. After weeks of being inactive, he made a few big plays against cincey and then proceeded to do nothing until a dumb holding penalty, after which he was deactivated -- never to be heard from again. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I expect that both Gardner and McCants will be gone next year.

afparent

January-2nd-2005, 06:16 PM

i don't think there will be as many changes as you may expect. Gardner for sure. Definitely some movement on the o-line. salary cap moves are inevitable and you can't stop the players that want to leave.

if you are cap friendly and play defense you stay!

HeavyHitta31

January-2nd-2005, 06:17 PM

Smoot would look REAL good in a Dallas uniform....

fdarugar

January-2nd-2005, 06:20 PM

I really like what I see out of Andre Lott, I think he will emmerge as the teams starting SS.

ArmchairRedskin

January-2nd-2005, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by HeavyHitta31
Smoot would look REAL good in a Dallas uniform....

Get out of here you vulture :laugh:

Bowen is really effective as a blitzer, he's good in run support, he causes fumbles, and the clincher........he's a baller on special teams. He's not going anywhere.

bulldog

January-2nd-2005, 06:22 PM

that's okay, HITTA, I like the idea of Drew Henson starting in Dallas in 2005 :)

Broohaha

January-2nd-2005, 06:23 PM

good thread. havent had a chance to read it all but i agree with much of what the OP had to say.

chiefhogskin48

January-2nd-2005, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Ignatius J.
here's why you're wrong about bowen.

bowen makes plays in ways that ryan clark and all the other safeties don't.

It's as simple as that.

You don't get rid of playmakers, and that's what bowen is.

Bowen and taylor both cause fumbles with thier hits, we need that kind of hard hitting tandem running rampant in the secondary, especially if smoot departs.

I guess I just don't see how Bowen could even be considered a playmaker? :whoknows:

I remember a few picks off of ricochets, and two nice sacks in the Tampa game, but little else. Clark has outplayed him.

mookie0720

January-2nd-2005, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by ArmchairRedskin

Get out of here you vulture :laugh:

Bowen is really effective as a blitzer, he's good in run support, he causes fumbles, and the clincher........he's a baller on special teams. He's not going anywhere.

But he is TERRIBLE in pass coverage and in the open field.

chiefhogskin48

January-2nd-2005, 06:30 PM

He's not even a good tackler, btw. He doesn't wrap up, but then again no one did before Williams got to town. :(

He also was notorious for taking bad angles.

HeavyHitta31

January-2nd-2005, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by bulldog
that's okay, HITTA, I like the idea of Drew Henson starting in Dallas in 2005 :)

What a coincidence, me to!

illone

January-2nd-2005, 06:33 PM

McCants cares more about his music career than he does about his career as a Redskin. Just not the best fit for this team. Joe is looking for a core group of guys who bleed burgundy and gold. McCants isn't a Gibbs type of player, no love lost there. He won't play special teams and doesn't step up in practice. Work ethic in Joe's eyes is lacking therefore BYE BYE DMac.

jtyler42

January-2nd-2005, 06:46 PM

Samuels- He will restructure and come back to complete our bookend T's w/Jansen's return...

Gardner- He will be traded for hopefully a 2nd to 3rd rnd pick...

Smoot- I think he will leave and we will try to work out some kinda deal w/him and the team he wants to sign with for picks...

Matt Bowen- he is 50/50 it's a crapshoot whether or not he will stay...He doesnt really cover well and contrary to popular belief he doesnt make all that many plays...That might change in this D system so he may stay, and possibly get a whole yr to work in it...

McCants- He should also be traded as he cant seem to crack the lineup w/this team, he just needs a change of scenery...we should be able to get anywhere from a 3rd to a 5th rnd pick for him...

Morton- Can you say Antonio Brown! Morton is toast...

Raymer/Friedmann- Friedmann is gone, I think Raymer will stay in a back-up capacity...

Pierce- We will resign "Da General" he is our coach on the field on D...

Wynn- He will be restructerd he is the type of veteran you keep around for leadership + he will be more effective in a reserve role...

Salave'a- He will be resigned he is important reserve in DT rotation...

Rock- I think he will be gone...

Clark- He will be resigned and given a shot at winning starting SS job next yr...

Haley- He will be released, makes to much money...

Lavar- Will be here...Are you kidding me, why would we move him?

Barrow- Will be here and remain as the backup to Pierce in the middle...

bulldog

January-2nd-2005, 06:46 PM

talent alone isn't enough. we learned that lesson with Michael Westbrook in the 1990's.

McCants has the physical skills to be a starting WR in the NFL but doesn't seem to have the competitive fire or commitment to excelling as a player.

He seems comfortable being on an NFL roster and living the NFL lifestyle.

Blondie

January-2nd-2005, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Vladimir L
[B]
11. Rock Cartwright - Play special teams or you'll be gone

What do you think he does now? And, I might add, he does it VERY WELL.

Blondie

ArmchairRedskin

January-2nd-2005, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by mookie0720

But he is TERRIBLE in pass coverage and in the open field.

I disagree he's terrible. He played FS last year when he's a really a SS. He needs to be close to the LOS. I do remember the long TD he gave up against the Giants earlier in the year, but there isn't a safety in the league that hasn't been burned for one. I think we were a lot better in pressuring the QB with him back there. We also blitzed a lot less after his injury. That's gotta tell ya something.

For whoever said he took bad angles, I didnt see any of that this year out of him. He made a lot of solid tackles. Taylor, on the other hand still needs to wrap up better sometimes, although I do like his aggressiveness as far as trying to cause the turnover.

I think a year in Williams' system will allow Bowen to shine. He sure did look good in the few games he played this year. So did Lott and so did Clark, but I can remember Clark being burned a few times, too. I just don't think you let Bowen go. Especially considering his contributions on special teams.

Special teams is also another reason to keep Jacobs around.

inmate running the asylum

January-2nd-2005, 07:07 PM

I agree pretty much with Bulldog, except for Bowen. Bowen makes plays -- sacks and INT's, and was better since he was moved to SS. Bowen is faster then both Lott and Clark, not the other way around as Bulldog claims. In fact Clark wasn't even drafted because he only has average 4.6+ speed, just like Ohalete.

Clark has filled in well, but the problem with Lott and Clark is they don't make any plays. Lott has been 3 years in the league now and has never made a single INT or sack. Neither has Clark. And neither guy had ever started a game until this season.

Having made only about 16 INT's on the season, the Skins need another playmaker like Bowen in the secondary. Besides, Bowen's salary next year is not that big a deal. :)

bulldog

January-2nd-2005, 07:11 PM

Bowen I think only started ONE NFL game before the Redskins signed him from the Packers :)

I don't agree that Bowen is the team's playmaker in the secondary.

Remember that Williams is a master of allowing players to do the things they do well.

Bowen is a better blitzer than Lott or Clark. Clark is the most physically limited of the three.

But Lott is the best in coverage, having been a corner in college, and is a better tackler than Bowen.

inmate running the asylum

January-2nd-2005, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by bulldog
Bowen I think only started ONE NFL game before the Redskins signed him from the Packers :)

I don't agree that Bowen is the team's playmaker in the secondary.

Bowen is a better blitzer than Lott or Clark. Clark is the most physically limited of the three.

But Lott is the best in coverage, having been a corner in college, and is a better tackler than Bowen.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. :laugh: But Bowen does have several INT's to his credit, even though his season was cut short by injury. Lott was a CB in college, but until the Tampa Bay game he had never even started a game either in 3 seasons. And I didn't mean to say that Bowen is the playmaker in the secondary, only that he is more so then Clark or Lott. Besides, what's wrong with depth? Bowen's salary next year is not that big a deal? :rolleyes:

Sweet Sassy Molassy

January-2nd-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by illone
McCants cares more about his music career than he does about his career as a Redskin. Just not the best fit for this team. Joe is looking for a core group of guys who bleed burgundy and gold. McCants isn't a Gibbs type of player, no love lost there. He won't play special teams and doesn't step up in practice. Work ethic in Joe's eyes is lacking therefore BYE BYE DMac.

I agree. I think DMac is sealing his fate with the organization. I think back to when I saw him on Monday Night Live after the Giants game. The guys asked him what he thinks was the contributing factor to their success in the game and all he would talk about is them adding the 4-Wide to the gameplan. He's saying stuff like, "I've never seen any team without a 4-Wide set. I mean it's too conservative.", and it seemed like every question they asked him, he was complaining. I found myself, just about every time he started talking, yelling "Shut up Darnerian!". Then he comes right back the next week and makes a stupid holding penalty, after Portis had a nice run that put us in great scoring position. Worst thing about it is, I saw McCants on his way back to the sidelines and he's acting like he did what he had to do. He also seems very preoccupied with his singing career. I don't think he's putting his best foot forward.

Vladimir L

January-2nd-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by bulldog
Bowen I think only started ONE NFL game before the Redskins signed him from the Packers :)

I don't agree that Bowen is the team's playmaker in the secondary.

Remember that Williams is a master of allowing players to do the things they do well.

Bowen is a better blitzer than Lott or Clark. Clark is the most physically limited of the three.

But Lott is the best in coverage, having been a corner in college, and is a better tackler than Bowen.

Clark is a converted corner. I have seen 2 or 3 TDS allowed by Clark even less I think. We dont need a play maker in our secondary we have enough. We need guys who can play. Our play makers are:

Pierce
Smoot
Springs
Taylor
Lavar
Washington
Griffin
Clemons*he will be*

inmate running the asylum

January-2nd-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Vladimir L

We dont need a play maker in our secondary we have enough. We need guys who can play.

Oh but we do need playmakers in our secondary. The more the better. Otherwise we lose the turnover battle or ratio. One of the most important statistics in any game is the turnover ratio from fumbles and interceptions -- not the yardage -- in determining who will win the game.

The Skins finished with only 17 INT's in 16 games or a +2 in turnovers. That was 16th. Indianapolis the leader was a +24.
Just about all the playoff teams have a high + turnover ratio. Its even more important then the yardage we measure the defenses on. If the Skins can't increase their turnover ratio, then they will not go very far in the playoffs.

The year we lost the Super Bowl to the Raiders, I recall the team was an unprecedented +41 in turnovers that year. :)

So yes we do need all the playmakers we can get. And Bowen fills that role more then Clark or Lott, although I'm not suggesting we cut Clark and Lott. :)

ArmchairRedskin

January-2nd-2005, 08:07 PM

I like what we got going on as far as Safetys. Why not keep them and let Williams build packages around their strengths? They're all relatively cheap.

OrangeSkin

January-2nd-2005, 08:18 PM

I agree, Bowen stays. He was a beast in blitz packages before he got hurt. Clark doesn't have near the ability when it comes to sacking the QB...Our secondary will be dynamic with Bowen rushing the passer, Taylor prowling in the open field, and Springs and Smoot (hopefully) locking down WRs.

skinsfan51

January-2nd-2005, 08:26 PM

Will someone tell me why Pierce might be gone next year? I honestly don't know. I can't imagine with the year he had, and how much the coaches like him, that the 'Skins would even consider trading him. But I guess anything is possible.

What needs to be considered more, IMHO, is the "Gibbs Factor." i.e. the motivation he brings to a team says a lot. It affects guys in positive ways. I hope to see some guys take a little less money so they can stay and play for Gibbs (like Smoot). But we'll see if any of them have that type of character. It's scarce today.

Maxwarrior

January-2nd-2005, 08:42 PM

Pierce may be gone because he is a free agent. He can sign whereever he wishes.

tex

January-2nd-2005, 10:21 PM

1. Gardner – Makes the tough ones and drops the easy ones. Drives me mad.

2. Smoot - Smootie says he has a gut feeling he’s gone. I believe him, he’s gone.

3. Matt Bowen – Bowen has a high motor. Worth keeping? I think yes

4. Chad Morton – Chad who?

5. Michael Barrow – The Skins did ok without him this year. No need for his services.

6. Raymer and Friedman – Gone Gone .

7. Darnerian McCants – Gone.

8. Renaldo Wynn. Until we get someone better he stays.

* As an epilogue, I think the decision NOT to resign Smoot is an indication the Skins will attempt to rework Samuels' deal to keep him in Washington. – Keeping a home grown talent like Samuels is good if it makes financial sense.

** I also expect the team to resign Pierce and bring back role players Salave'a and Evans on the DL. – Hope your right.

Ignatius J.

January-2nd-2005, 10:35 PM

Bowen is clearly more of a playmaker than clark.

Since bowen joined the skins he has made:

2 sacks, 3 ints, and 3 forced fumbles.

those are called plays.

Compare to ryan clarks 0's.

seriously, this is like saying betts is in the same league as portis. It's dumb.

hands11

January-2nd-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Vladimir L
Clarks job isnt blitzing. Clark covers pretty well thats a safeties job. Bowen is not an amazing safety.

I like Bowen. Hes a stud back there.

Him and Taylor would be amazing.
Add Lavar.
Add a past rushing DE.

This defense could be even better next year.

Maybe one of the best ever if we keep adding the right pieces.

I sure hope Williams stays here.
If we winning and go deeper in the playoffs, I hope he rides it out and takes over the team when Gibbs is done.

Bugel can stay as offensive coordinator.

hands11

January-2nd-2005, 10:57 PM

Since some of these players like

7. Darnerian McCants – .

are signed, we should be able to get something for them.
I like McCants. I want him to stay. I think he will get things worked out in the offseason and end up being a great player for us. It wasnt just him that didnt play much at WR. We didnt see much Jacobs either. Gibbs had a lot to figure out this year and didnt want to move to many parts during the season while the QB thing was such a problem.

We need to move the pieces around. We have players we can trade for picks or players, then we can get the right kind of players in return.

Westbrook, I mean Gardner, is so gone. He doesnt fit the mold.
Smoot, gone if he wants that kind of money. He would fit if he stayed though.

The only other play who I don't think fits a Gibbs mold is....
PORTIS.

Gibbs isnt a Bling Bling guy. Gardner is, Portis is.
Gibbs like RBs like Byner, Riggo, T Allen.

Im not saying Portis is gone, Im just pointing something out.

NVskinsfan

January-2nd-2005, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by KDawg
The fact that LaVar is on these lists proves that people do NOT pay attention. We CANNOT cut LaVar due to the cap, nor SHOULD we cut LaVar... Our defense is going to be THAT much better with him.

On another note, how about LaVar as DE?

Yusuf06

January-3rd-2005, 12:45 AM

I think the three guys most likely to be gone next season (in order) are 50/50, Morton, and Smoot. For 50/50 the name says it all, Morton's production (or lack thereof) can be had much more cheaply and the relative control we had over the Vikings passing game during Smoot's abscence today says we may not be too willing to pay him big dough if Williams thinks we can get the job done with less.

As for the guys I think will stay, Bowen isn't that expensive and played pretty well before getting injured. DMAC may get another chance to prove himself with 50/50 out of the picture. As for Raymer and/or Friedman one of them may stick around as a backup but I wouldn't be surprised if they're both shown the door as well. At times, they both did a pretty good David "Turnstile" Loverne impersonation. Finally, I'd expect Wynn to re-negotiate his contract since nobody else is going to give him anything other than a vet min. contract.

inmate running the asylum

January-3rd-2005, 01:10 AM

A couple of players Bulldog didn't mention who I think may be gone are as follows:

Jermaine Haley's salary jumps to $1 million next year. With Noble's salary going up to $1.5 million and Joe Salave'a having to be resigned, no way are the Skins going to keep the 32 year old Haley. Haley has been injury prone and has not really been overly productive in the rotation scheme. Look for the promising Boschetti or even the unused and cheaper Chad Killings to replace him next year.

Then there is Lamar Marshall. He is a RFA which entitles him to a minimum of $650k next year. I think the Skins want him back, but if another team signs him to an offer sheet for starting pay -- whatever that is -- the Skins will not match. The reason being that he is going to have to revert back to a backup role behind LaVar anyway.

Besides, I think this team is pretty stacked at linebacker next year anyhow. I mean besides the starters, we have coming back the promising Chris Clemons, ST standout Khary Campbell, the promising Clifton Smith and Devin Lemons and Brandon Barnes who Greg Williams seems to like. Then there is recently signed Maurice Jones who has good workout numbers. And Mike Barrow who more then likely will be cut, if Pierce is resigned. All these guys can't make the roster, although some of them can go on the practice squad. :)

Ian

January-3rd-2005, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by jtyler42
[Matt Bowen- he is 50/50 it's a crapshoot whether or not he will stay...He doesnt really cover well and contrary to popular belief he doesnt make all that many plays...That might change in this D system so he may stay, and possibly get a whole yr to work in it...
[/B]

I think this is a case of 'what he has done for us lately' i.e. not much since he went on IR after the Green Bay game but against Tampa Bay he was exceptional and made some key plays that game. I for one was disappointed to see him go down. It will be interesting to see whether he is cut or not

Having said all that, Ryan Clark came in and really the defense did not miss much of a beat. I think that is the strength of this defense, Bowen, Arrington, Daniels, Barrow all out and still NO.3 (No.1 in the NFC). And all that without really forcing the opposition to throw three and out chasing a game because our Offense had got a sizeable lead :rolleyes:

kingdaddy

January-3rd-2005, 06:47 AM

Bugel can stay as Offensive Coordinator? That's a questionable statement.

TODD

January-3rd-2005, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by HeavyHitta31
Smoot would look REAL good in a Dallas uniform....

HA. Dream on. He will not be playing anywhere near Texas Stadium... unless he's in a Skins uni.

DC_Native,NC_Fan

January-3rd-2005, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Blondie

What do you think he does now? And, I might add, he does it VERY WELL.

Blondie

Cut the bum. :doh: :laugh:

Oh, wait a minute: :notworthy (Just kidding)

DC_Native,NC_Fan

January-3rd-2005, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Fresh1
3. Matt Bowen - I hope he'll stay, our only white boy left on D:laugh:

To the dismay of the PC crowd out there, i wholeheartedly agree!! :notworthy :cheers:

jimster

January-3rd-2005, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Ian

I think this is a case of 'what he has done for us lately' i.e. not much since he went on IR after the Green Bay game but against Tampa Bay he was exceptional and made some key plays that game. I for one was disappointed to see him go down. It will be interesting to see whether he is cut or not

Having said all that, Ryan Clark came in and really the defense did not miss much of a beat. I think that is the strength of this defense, Bowen, Arrington, Daniels, Barrow all out and still NO.3 (No.1 in the NFC). And all that without really forcing the opposition to throw three and out chasing a game because our Offense had got a sizeable lead :rolleyes:

So by this logic we should cut Jansen too because he hasn't done anything for us lately?

Bowen is a level above Ryan Clark and is relatively cheap, but we did find out that we've got a nice back up for Bowen next year.

I hope we can restructure Wynn and keep him.

Vladimir L

January-3rd-2005, 04:05 PM

The thing with Lavar though he was gone and they still played great. With Jansen his injury might of cost them one or two loss.

ummagumma

January-3rd-2005, 04:18 PM

Let me set the record straight on a few players here in terms of the cap, plus players i've seen on other similar threads...

The following players would cost more to cut than keep if done before 6/1...

Daniels
McCants
Morton
Jacobs

Obviously there are more, but no one is talking aobut cutting Coles, etc...

Some other players could be cut but won't save much money. Examples...

Bowen would save $600K and another $400K after 6/1. So cutting him doesn't save a whole lot. Keep him and build depth and versitility. What a concept!

Barrow barely save $$$ if cut before 6/1 and shouldn't be cut until Pierce is resigned anyway. If he's resigned, of course.

Something I don't understand is why any team would give up anything for Gardner or McCants or even Samuels for that matter. If you can't play for the lowest scoring team in the NFL why would any team want you?

Butz65

January-3rd-2005, 04:28 PM

I don't think any of the WR's outside of Coles and Jacobs are locks to be on this roster next season. I think Thrash is a cheap, experienced veteran that will probably be back but Gardner will most likely be gone.

I think WR is the one position where we may see the Skins make a splash in free agency. My hope is that Dan's got the jet warmed up to go to Carolina and bring back Mushin Muhammed.

The O-line is also up for grabs. Jansen will be back. Samuels to me would be 50/50 except that it would be very expensive to replace him in free agency. The rest of the players (including Thomas) could be cut. I think Molinaro/Wilson will be back for depth.

The current O-line (lack of talent) to me has been the primary reason the offense stunk this year. Gibbs seldom went to 3-4 WR sets because he lacked confidence that the linemen could protect Brunell/Ramsey. Bugel had to dummy down the blocking schemes so these guys could open holes (fleeting) for Portis. I expect significant changes on the line before next season.