Lets not hype Betts up like he's a savior....

[diego1115]

dont let the media and other sources cloud your judgement

i noticed that he didnt have a great game until the 4th quarter when Minnesota virtually quit on the season.....i know if im Minnesota...im not letting a supar offensive line open anyholes if my playoff life depends on it....so lets just take his game as is...a good game

this is the same Betts that if he had become what he was supposed to become (2nd rd RB's SHOULD be starting RBs by their 3rd seasons or its a wasted pick) we wouldnt have had to go get a Portis.....

:point2sky

[ummagumma]

In fairness, was Betts really given a chance to be #1? But otherwise I agree with you. 1 good start does not a career make.

[Dead Money]

I love how everyone is talking about him like he's god today... Did anyone else hear the callers on the JT show...

:puke:

[bulldog]

Betts gained yardage against the #29 rush defense in the NFL. nobody with brains to my knowledge is intimating that this is in any way a breakthrough for Betts vis a vis Portis.

what this game may show however is that Betts can be counted on to be the solid backup we hoped he would be.

Ladell still has a lot of problems in pass coverage and his air blocks have allowed Brunell and Ramsey to take some wicked hits this year.

This has to change in 2005.

You simply can't put a guy out there that is going to get the qb killed.

Clinton Portis at 5'11 and 205 is a good pass blocker as a feature tailback.

Betts at 5'11 and 225 and in his 3rd season should have improved his blocking techniques by now.

Byner still has some work to do with him.

[Akhhorus]

Betts over Portis ROTFLMFAO. Anyone who called in saying the Skins should start Betts over Portis should be banned from ever watching a Redskins game again. He was facing the Vikings' defense, who has let up 4.7 yards per carry this year!

[Dan T.]

Thank you. I won't be able to stand an offseason of people actually arguing that we should get rid of Portis because Betts is more of "a Gibbs-type of back."

[Cdowwe]

This should be the end of the Betts over Portis talk. The last thing we need is another Heath vs Gus off season argument.

[skinzfan4life]

I like betts...but i agree....if you have some one as potentially as explosive as portis you find a way to make him work. If you have to change your sceme a little fine but he is a guy that can bust one at any second.

[canesluver]

Originally posted by Dan T.
Thank you. I won't be able to stand an offseason of people actually arguing that we should get rid of Portis because Betts is more of "a Gibbs-type of back."

Gotta agree with that. He struggled against the 29th ranked rushing defense until the 4th quarter. Not in the same class as Portis, but is a solid back-up. I don't want any silly arguing over the starting halfback either!!

[Golgo-13]

Good I thought I was the only sane one around here after listening to Coach T's show. On Sunday I saw somebody who has some promise as a backup. Somebody who we might want to think about using more often, but he can't even hold Clinton's jock. Let sanity prevail. And yes, the whole "Gibbs type back" thing is driving me crazy. Gibbs has won with more than just bruisers.

[Boss_Hogg]

Originally posted by Akhhorus
Betts over Portis ROTFLMFAO. Anyone who called in saying the Skins should start Betts over Portis should be banned from ever watching a Redskins game again. He was facing the Vikings' defense, who has let up 4.7 yards per carry this year!

Hey dude, I am one of those people. Betts just seams like the type of RB that Gibbs has used in the past. Like the big bruiser/down hill runner that I grew up watching in the 80's/ early 90's.

Think of the past, John Riggins, Byner, and Gerald Riggs, true, Betts has not proved himself to be in the same league as any one of those guys, but still, I like Betts better than Portis.

Portis may be a good athlete but I do not like him as a RB. Has anyone ever noticed how easy he goes down on a run play? In the SF game those little CB's where bringing him down with ease. Maybe I am old school, but I prefer big tough backs that plow through the line and drag 3 or 4 defenders down the field.

Of course, I'm not saying that Portis is bad, he just does not work in the Gibbs system in my opinion. Also in Portis's defense, that OL was awful this year, so maybe we have not seen the real Clinton, who knows.

By the way just like you, the man is entitled to his opinion.

[afparent]

let's just be happy we have a damn good backup

[NorEastNCFan]

I liked how Maas compared Betts to Tiki Barber during the broadcast. I was laughing so hard. I'm thinking that Maas was comparing running style and body type than Barber's past fumble problems. But Betts is no Tiki Barber.

But what I do believe we have with Betts is a perfect compliment to Portis. Portis is more of a dashing back, that hits the hole quick and can burn most people in the open field. Betts is more apt to run between the tackles and smash you in the mouth. It was in his role as spelling Portis on drives that I think Betts was most productive. A change of pace from Portis's style of running.

I think the way these two guys were used this season was the best possible combo for both of these guys. But I don't know if either would be too happy splitting snaps. I believe they both see themselves as starting backs. Again, I'd say they are best used intermittently, to give a change of pace to the game. Sort of like the Thunder and Lightning combo the Giants had a couple of years ago. Just my opinion though.

[Akhhorus]

Originally posted by DrivingBandit


Hey dude, I am one of those people. Betts just seams like the type of RB that Gibbs has used in the past. Like the big bruiser/down hill runner that I grew up watching in the 80's/ early 90's.

Think of the past, John Riggins, Byner, and Gerald Riggs, true, Betts has not proved himself to be in the same league as any one of those guys, but still, I like Betts better than Portis.

Portis may be a good athlete but I do not like him as a RB. Has anyone ever noticed how easy he goes down on a run play? In the SF game those little CB's where bringing him down with ease. Maybe I am old school, but I prefer big tough backs that plow through the line and drag 3 or 4 defenders down the field.

Of course, I'm not saying that Portis is bad, he just does not work in the Gibbs system in my opinion. Also in Portis's defense, that OL was awful this year, so maybe we have not seen the real Clinton, who knows.

By the way just like you, the man is entitled to his opinion.

ok chief, but just on talent, ability and physical ability, Portis is LIGHT-YEARS ahead of what Betts will ever be. That you cannot argue. Portis has, is, and will always be a better back.

[Skinfan56]

The best thing that could have come from Betts' showing is that he was showcased. Teams got to see what he could do being the main RB, and maybe gibbs and co. were hoping that somebody like Miami may make a trade offer. I like him as a backup, but not more than rock. You will see a whole different scheme of run blocking next year in which Portis will get to the 2nd level and show what he can do. Trading betts would be the best possible thing I think, as I still think Rock is a better goal line back (if thats what people say we need betts for), and theres no way anybody should wanna keep portis off of the field.

[Blondie]

I believe it was a great showcase for Betts also. Some team may have looked at him and decided he was just what they needed......and trade for picks.......something we need.

No, I am NOT saying Betts needs to be traded. Lord knows some people on here don't know how to read and comprehend. They run amuck when they see the word trade in a sentence. I am saying that if a team saw his determination and the gains he made TOTALLY on his own, that someone may seek a trade for him.

Blondie

[Larry]

In Betts' defense, though.

1) He was making a lot of those yards on his own, after getting hit. I saw (what seemed to me as) a lot of second-effort yards.

2) At the end of the game, everybody remember? we're up by 3 with 4:00 to go. And they couldn't stop him? Anybody think it was because our offense was so subtle they didn't know we were going to run? But he got the yards, anyway.

I thought he looked really good.

[skinsfan080]

Lets hype him up and show other teams, maybe they will give us alot for him.

[Larry]

Actually, I could see a team offering something for him. Last year, after he looked really good.

I don't see anybody offering him much based on one game, and the NFL is seriously into "what have you done lately?"

And, I suspect I'd be in the minority of fans who'd like to see Rock move to #2 on the chart.

[Blondie]

Originally posted by Larry
Actually, I could see a team offering something for him. Last year, after he looked really good.

I don't see anybody offering him much based on one game, and the NFL is seriously into "what have you done lately?"

And, I suspect I'd be in the minority of fans who'd like to see Rock move to #2 on the chart.

I am in that line..........but .........as most know........I drew UP that line!!

:laugh:

Rock will gain some weight back this off season and be ready for whatever is placed in front of him.

Gibbs gave him great props today. Nice to have that in his mind through out the off season.

Blondie

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Dan T.
Thank you. I won't be able to stand an offseason of people actually arguing that we should get rid of Portis because Betts is more of "a Gibbs-type of back."

Everyone knows that Portis is a better RB but if Betts can give you what he did yesterday and show he can run the way Gibbs wants it run was paying for Portis and giving away a 2nd round pick now worth it?

[hands11]

Originally posted by Dan T.
Thank you. I won't be able to stand an offseason of people actually arguing that we should get rid of Portis because Betts is more of "a Gibbs-type of back."

No but it would be nice if we got a big back to slam the ball sometimes. I love the speed and moves Portis has but Gibbs likes to have a pounding back also. Betts would be ok but I would want someone a little bigger.

Betts ran well the whole reason when he got the ball.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Larry
Actually, I could see a team offering something for him. Last year, after he looked really good.

I don't see anybody offering him much based on one game, and the NFL is seriously into "what have you done lately?"

And, I suspect I'd be in the minority of fans who'd like to see Rock move to #2 on the chart.

The Rock rocks. I was one who wanted Gibbs to coach the team he had for one year, then go get players. I wanted to see Rock start this year.

I don't think we would have had a worse record if we went into camp with Ramsey & Hassebeck, and Rock, Betts and Mortan.
We would have saved all that committed money and draft picks and would still be in the same spot. One season under our belt. Gibbs getting to know everyone and get reintroduced to the NFL.
Into an offseason knowing what he needed and one step away from turning it around.

[redman]

Originally posted by bulldog
Betts gained yardage against the #29 rush defense in the NFL. nobody with brains to my knowledge is intimating that this is in any way a breakthrough for Betts vis a vis Portis.

what this game may show however is that Betts can be counted on to be the solid backup we hoped he would be.

Ladell still has a lot of problems in pass coverage and his air blocks have allowed Brunell and Ramsey to take some wicked hits this year.

This has to change in 2005.

You simply can't put a guy out there that is going to get the qb killed.

Clinton Portis at 5'11 and 205 is a good pass blocker as a feature tailback.

Betts at 5'11 and 225 and in his 3rd season should have improved his blocking techniques by now.

Byner still has some work to do with him. Bingo.

There's another thing to consider regarding Betts. His superb hands as a receiver should make him our 3rd down back but for the fact that he's not a good blocker as bulldog said. If he can spell Portis on 3rd downs, then that should help keep Portis healthy.

I'd also like to see him run with more determination like he did yesterday, and become our short-yardage and goalline back.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Larry
In Betts' defense, though.

1) He was making a lot of those yards on his own, after getting hit. I saw (what seemed to me as) a lot of second-effort yards.

2) At the end of the game, everybody remember? we're up by 3 with 4:00 to go. And they couldn't stop him? Anybody think it was because our offense was so subtle they didn't know we were going to run? But he got the yards, anyway.

I thought he looked really good.

It is true, no way Portis gets that first down by dragging that player on his back. He was stopped in the backfield and still made it 4 yards. WHEN WE REALLY NEEDED IT.

O Line had nothing to do with that.

Betts hasnt played largly because he has always been hurt.
I wanted to get ride of him because I always felt like he thought he was better then he ever proved. He didn't fight to play when we needed him. He always got chances or players that worked harder like Watson. He was the 2nd round pick so he always got the better treatment.

He may actually be a very good back. Who would know. He has never really played.

[Westbrook36]

If Portis and Betts were both drafted this year by the Skins, and this past season was their rookie years, with rookie contracts, how would next year look?

I think many of you are quick to downgrade one of your own players just so you don't take any luster off Portis. If Betts had the 50 million dollar contract, who would start next year?

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Betts runs hard and is a hell of a back the only question is his durability.

[jbooma]

What was interesting was Gibbs said in all the film he watched and all the advice from our genius talent evaluaters all they say of Betts is he was a third down back only, and now yesterday he proved he was more :doh:

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Dammit, I thought we got past this argument yesterday. :doh:

[QBkilla56]

We got trade bait now with Betts. He is the upper echelon of RB's. We can now trade him for 2 first rounders. /idiot fan from earlier this season for Ogenyule (what ever you spell it)

[Bang]

Originally posted by afparent
let's just be happy we have a damn good backup

there ya go,, I also learned that when we get to the one, we can have him punch it over. Nice back to have for 10 or so carries a game.

~Bang

[denverdan]

Originally posted by Larry
In Betts' defense, though.

1) He was making a lot of those yards on his own, after getting hit. I saw (what seemed to me as) a lot of second-effort yards.

2) At the end of the game, everybody remember? we're up by 3 with 4:00 to go. And they couldn't stop him? Anybody think it was because our offense was so subtle they didn't know we were going to run? But he got the yards, anyway.

I thought he looked really good.

Hype away whats wrong with having two good backs, Gibbs has always used different backs for different situations. I don't think there is any question who the number one back on this team is, but Betts looked good with the exception of a couple of missed blocks, one horrible miss, but everyone makes mistakes. In at least two of our wins, if not three, he played a key role getting first downs with his effort alone.

Take away his fourth quarter in the vikings game and they get the ball a couple more times.

[Nicealot]

At least it looks like we have someone who can make that tough 3rd and 1, 4th and 1 yard which Portis couldn't get for whatever reason...

[BG]

Anyone miss Kenny Watson anymore?

[QBkilla56]

Originally posted by BG
Anyone miss Kenny Watson anymore?

Nope i miss Ki-Jana Carter... :high:

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

We need him around. Screw the trade bait. He's cheap and cheaper than most other backups we could get. If Portis goes down then who would we have if Betts is traded? Chad Morton or someone else from the practice squad?

[Sage]

There is nothing wrong with our 1-2 punch of Portis and Betts. And Betts comes cheap at less than $1M against the cap thru the 2007 season.

C'mon, we could throw both of them on the field in all kinds of situations like Auburn's doing with Williams/Brown out there tonight.

Either one of them could split out wide because they can both catch the ball.

Both are capable of running up the middle and to the outside. While each may be better at one over the other (Betts up the middle, Portis quicker to the edges) they can do either one well enough that seeing Portis in the backfield doesn't mean a sweep and Betts doesn't mean a between the tackles run.

A football genius like Gibbs should have defenses pulling their hair out with these 2 guys in our backfield.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Good post Sage. 20 carries for Portis and about 10-12 for Betts would make for a great combination.

[wickedwitch]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
If Portis and Betts were both drafted this year by the Skins, and this past season was their rookie years, with rookie contracts, how would next year look?

I think many of you are quick to downgrade one of your own players just so you don't take any luster off Portis. If Betts had the 50 million dollar contract, who would start next year? BS. There was a very similar situation with Ramsey and Brunell, and Ramsey is now clearly the starter desipte Brunell's contract.

[mookie0720]

Someone please explain why Betts even IS a 3rd down back? Portis is a better blocker, catches the ball better, makes better plays in the open field...all the things 3rd down backs do. Portis is a better 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down back than Betts period.

[Akhhorus]

Betts is a restricted FA, make him a qualifying offer and if someone signs him, then we get compensation. He got a chance under Spurrier season 2 and he couldnt hack it.