A. Brown...Wow, what is not to like?

[sfskins]

Antonio Brown was clocked at 4.18 seconds in the 40 yard dash when he played for Gregg Williams at Buffalo last year. You can read it at this ESPN archive:
Link below...

His opponent in the 40 yard dash, Devin Hester of the Univ. of Miami, was...

If we even consider bringing Chad Morton back then we need to check the front office's brain cell count.

Hail!!!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/ffl/pl (http://)

[laurent]

If he can't hold onto the ball it won't matter how fast he is or how many defenders he can juke out.

Morton may not have been the playmake we envisioned but I don't recall him losing any games for us since he got here.

Can't say the same for Brown.

[inmate running the asylum]

Thats funny, when I compare the stats of Morton and Brown its obvious that Morton has clearly been the better player in punt return avg; kickoff return avg; touchdowns; as a running back and as a receiver. And Brown was cut by Buffalo. Morton has never been cut by any team.

Furthermore Brown is strictly a kick returner and has never caught a pass or run the ball, although he does have a 17 yard reverse play to his credit.

Morton is scheduled to make 545k and Brown 380k. Hardly any difference worth crowing about there either. :rolleyes:


Chad Morton
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187613

Antionio Brown
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/401367


And who says Antonio Brown ran a 4.18 forty? It turns out it was ANTONIO BROWN who was blowing his own horn when he SAYS he ran a 4.18 forty when interviewed by Buffalo Bills News. :laugh: Now if Antonio Brown came in SECOND to Santana Moss, I know damn well he didn't run a 4.18, because Santa Moss ran no where near that at the combine or his private workout. :laugh:

Return Specialist Antonio Brown Learns Patience
By buffalobills.com
February 4, 2004

Q: What is your 40 time? -Keith Cook (Moreno Valley, CA)

AB: At Buffalo, 4.18.

Q: What was your time in the 60-meter dash at the Big East championships and what was Santana Moss' time? -Steven Kann (Scottsdale, AZ)

AB: I think it was 6.6 or 6.7. Moss won by eight tenths of a second. It was a photo finish.

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About Santa Moss:
He set a conference record for the indoor 60 meters with a 6.83 time that earned him Most Outstanding Track Athlete honors. He has blazing speed and has been timed in the 4.3 range on several occasions.
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So if Moss set a record with a 6.83 60-meter dash, you know damn well Brown also didn't run any 6.6 or 6.7. :laugh: Of course these sportswriters never take the time to check anything out.

Brown is fast, but not nearly as fast as he claims. Now if you want to argue quickness, thats a different story. Quickness can't really be measured or compared. And Morton does appear to be more of a straight-line runner. I also think Morton fair-catches a higher % of punts then Brown. :rolleyes:

[lucky*13]

Ya,ist he the guy who fumbled away a punt in the second Dallas
game............When we were ahead with little time left.

[Brown 43]

Hey, A. Brown is a nice player. But lets not give him Pro bowl status at this time. He has been in Football for a few years and hasn't really done anything just yet, there maybe a reason? Let's keep our fingers crossed and hopefully he turns into something!

[red zone]

Inmate wrote:Brown is fast, but not nearly as fast as he claims. Now if you want to argue quickness, thats a different story. Quickness can't really be measured or compared. And Morton does appear to be more of a straight-line runner. I also think Morton fair-catches a higher % of punts then Brown.

Inmate, A Browns 40 yd dash time has been discussed on this board before. While at WVU he peeled off sub 4.2s with regularity. Further, he played plenty of wide-out for WVU. Does he have Jerry Rice hands? No. However, he sure as h*ll gets a D-coordinator's attention every time he steps on the field.
:2cents:

[Dead Money]

Originally posted by inmate running the asylum
And Brown was cut by Buffalo. Morton has never been cut by any team.

Just wait a little while inmate, just wait...

[Ernie5]

I wouldn't 100% write off Chad Morton for next season just yet.

[BleedinBurgundyandGold]

Originally posted by inmate running the asylum
[B]Thats funny, when I compare the stats of Morton and Brown its obvious that Morton has clearly been the better player in punt return avg; kickoff return avg; touchdowns; as a running back and as a receiver. And Brown was cut by Buffalo. Morton has never been cut by any team.

Furthermore Brown is strictly a kick returner and has never caught a pass or run the ball, although he does have a 17 yard reverse play to his credit.

Morton is scheduled to make 545k and Brown 380k. Hardly any difference worth crowing about there either. :rolleyes:


I have to agree when you consider long term averages, etc. However, I just dont have any confidence in Morton and Brown, after the returns he made in the past 3-4 games has got my vote. The best part about this situation is that they COMBINE for just under $1M next year so both guys will get a shot at returns.

[NYSkins1]

Originally posted by inmate running the asylum
And who says Antonio Brown ran a 4.18 forty? It turns out it was ANTONIO BROWN who was blowing his own horn when he SAYS he ran a 4.18 forty when interviewed by Buffalo Bills News. :laugh: Now if Antonio Brown came in SECOND to Santana Moss, I know damn well he didn't run a 4.18, because Santa Moss ran no where near that at the combine or his private workout. :laugh:

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Q: What was your time in the 60-meter dash at the Big East championships and what was Santana Moss' time? -Steven Kann (Scottsdale, AZ)

AB: I think it was 6.6 or 6.7. Moss won by eight tenths of a second. It was a photo finish.



Acceleration plays a big part in the 40-meter. Brown may have better acceleration while Moss is faster overall.

[Newera]

Brown is going to be a better return specialist . . . period. I could see it in just three games with him.

[PleaseBlitz]

If you give Antonio the chance, he will be good. He just needs to get comfortable and I think the sky's the limit when he is returning kicks and punts.

[jimster]

I 'd like to find Morton an additional role of offense, though. Maybe occasionally lined up as a receiver?

[cphil006]

60 meters is 65.6 yards...

60 yards was the race for NFL's fastest man. Darrell Green set the record with a 6.0 60-yard dash...not bad...5 more yards would have been about a 6.4 60 meter...

[skns4life]

ummm...why are people saying brown lost the game for us against Dallas?? after brown fumbled on the punt return with little time left....our defense got the ball back and thats when we went 3 and out...so his punt return fumble has nothing to do with the loss...morton a better PR??? he fair catches EVERYTHING....brown made some pretty nice returns...Morton is way overated as a KR...if he doesnt have the blocking, we might as well start from the 20

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

It's hard to blame that loss on Brown when the offense went 3 and out twice in the last 8 minutes, chewing up a grand total of about 2 minutes between the two drives. It's tough to give up a last minute 45 yard TD pass to lose the game, but the offense deserves the vast majority of the blame for that loss, just like each of the losses.

[cphil006]

Originally posted by skns4life
ummm...why are people saying brown lost the game for us against Dallas?? after brown fumbled on the punt return with little time left....our defense got the ball back and thats when we went 3 and out...so his punt return fumble has nothing to do with the loss...morton a better PR??? he fair catches EVERYTHING....brown made some pretty nice returns...Morton is way overated as a KR...if he doesnt have the blocking, we might as well start from the 20

His punt return fumble in the forth quarter has nothing to do with the loss??? I think it has something to do with the loss. If he hadn't of fumbled, we might had called different offensive plays than later on and might had moved the ball better, the situation was different...different time of the game. A lot had something to do with the loss. His fumble was part of it.

Now, that aside, I think he is an asset to the team. He is explosive...

[skns4life]

Originally posted by cphil006


His punt return fumble in the forth quarter has nothing to do with the loss??? I think it has something to do with the loss. If he hadn't of fumbled, we might had called different offensive plays than later on and might had moved the ball better, the situation was different...different time of the game. A lot had something to do with the loss. His fumble was part of it.

Now, that aside, I think he is an asset to the team. He is explosive...

ran different plays??? THEY WOULD STILL CALL RUNNING PLAYS AND TRY TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK!! the D got our O the ball back and they didnt do anything!

[jimster]

Originally posted by skns4life


ran different plays??? THEY WOULD STILL CALL RUNNING PLAYS AND TRY TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK!! the D got our O the ball back and they didnt do anything!

even if we went 3 and out, had he not fumbled, we could of burned an additional 120-160 seconds off the clock running 3 plays then punting, giving them more difficult field postition to start their drive from.

[cphil006]

Originally posted by skns4life


ran different plays??? THEY WOULD STILL CALL RUNNING PLAYS AND TRY TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK!! the D got our O the ball back and they didnt do anything!

So they would have called the same exact running plays? Defense would have called the same exact plays, too? The mindset of all the players would have been the same? We would have had more time on the clock, therefore everything would have been a little different.

I'm not blaming it on him, I'm saying it contributed to the loss. He is still an explosive returner and I would keep him.

[skns4life]

well then every play and every series contributed to the loss...the ramsey interception (2nd one)...all the three and outs...i just think that fumble was barely significant to the loss

[inmate running the asylum]

Originally posted by red zone

Inmate, A Browns 40 yd dash time has been discussed on this board before. While at WVU he peeled off sub 4.2s with regularity.

I don't believe he peeled off sub 4.2s with regularity and I'll tell you why. If you prove it with an officially timed recording, then I will believe you.

Hey I'm not saying Brown isn't fast, because thats obvious. And he also appears to be quicker then Morton.

But what I'm trying to point out are these sportswriters who just ask a player what his forty time is and then print what the player says as the truth without checking it out. Obviously I have caught Brown in a couple of lies.

Second, I don't believe the hype that comes from university athletic departments about a player's forty time, unless he ran in a competition track meet where the time was officially recorded by someone other than his coaches.

These players that are always saying they had no problem running 4.10's or 4.20's in their forties are bullsh!tting. The reason mainly being that all these forty times are hand-held times by coaches or scouts standing along the sideline. The coaches and scouts then all stand around comparing their stopwatches after the run -- hardly the most accurate way to determine anything. And it also doesn't take into consideration the different type of tracks and conditions when players run: indoor; outdoor; weather; rubber tracks; dirt tracks; etc.

For your information the record forty time at the combine which still stands from 1989, is only a 4.27 (electronically) timed forty. And that was done by Deion Sanders and hasn't been topped since (electronically). The forties at the combine are timed BOTH electronically and hand-held, but isn't it interesting that everyone has such a tough time breaking that 4.27 electronic time. I think that is telling. :rolleyes:

After spending a lot of time researching this subject, I do think that Brown should be kept. Like I said before, he also has quickness and moves, and that can't be measured. :)