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bubba9497
March-2nd-2005, 07:25 PM
Matt Jones

He has the size for the red zone jump balls and to block, the speed to go deep, the natural athletic ability, and is a hard working no nonsense type player that Gibbs likes. He can play TE or WR or H-Back... and with it looking more & more like Coles is staying... Jones would be the perfect replacement for Gardner.


plus it looks like Mike Williams maybe gone by #9, it would allow us to trade down maybe get a 2nd to take Jones, and use our 1st rounder for a pass rushing DE

Coles, Jacobs, Jones and Cooley :point2sky

RWJ
March-2nd-2005, 07:27 PM
Redskins have their eye on Williamson. My hopes are that they have a shot at Williams or Edwards first though.

bubba9497
March-2nd-2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by RWJ
Redskins have their eye on Williamson. My hopes are that they have a shot at Williams or Edwards first though.

The Skins like Williamson fior his speed. I do too... but Jones ran a 4.4 forty and has more upside to him IMO

Funkyalligator
March-2nd-2005, 07:30 PM
I wouldn't mind drafting Matt Jones at all.....he could be a great TE for us....his athleticism would be awesome on offense

martino
March-2nd-2005, 07:30 PM
That sounds like a good WR corps. Maybe we dont trade down and we take the best D-lineman in the draft. Jones would still be ours.

bubba9497
March-2nd-2005, 07:36 PM
plus he's a former HOG


;)

DominatingDonkeys
March-2nd-2005, 07:37 PM
Matt Jones is an amazing athlete, but at this point he is a complete project at WR. He was pretty much an option type qb untill he played both WR and QB his senior year. He has a ton to learn and years before he's able to step in and contribute.

REDSKINS STOMP
March-2nd-2005, 07:37 PM
I would be disapointed if the Skins took Jones in the first round. Way too high to take a guy changing position.

soljaofjesus
March-2nd-2005, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497


The Skins like Williamson fior his speed. I do too... but Jones ran a 4.4 forty and has more upside to him IMO

But isnt Matt Jones kinda Raw for a WR?

bubba9497
March-2nd-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by REDSKINS STOMP
I would be disapointed if the Skins took Jones in the first round. Way too high to take a guy changing position.

who said #1????? I said 2nd round maybe third.


Originally posted by soljaofjesus


But isnt Matt Jones kinda Raw for a WR?

I disagree,...by his performance at the senior bowl, he is far from a project.. the kid is a baller. He has soft hands from playing basketball, can jump, run, and run routes as well as anyone else coming out. Playing QB he knows the passing game and is intelligent. Much like the Titans Drew Bennett... but more gifted and faster.

We are keeping Coles we don't have to draft a top WR to be a #1... if Williams is available.. I can see drafting him... but if not Jones would be the best fit .

OWUeagleMD
March-2nd-2005, 07:44 PM
Jones is definitely green, and a project at either TE or WR.

Then again, a power forward from Kent St. that didn't play college football was a project for the Chargers this season, that worked out pretty well.

On the other hand, the Chargers didn't spend a 2nd round pick on Gates, making their gamble significantly less risky.

SkinsHokieFan
March-2nd-2005, 07:46 PM
I would love to acquire Matt Jones. However I do not think in year 1 he would have a major impact.

A year of learning how to play WR would be key and he would be very good in his 2nd season. To expect someone who has barely played the position to come in and be a star right away is stretching it

However with that physical talent and his smart I can see him succeeding

phred2321
March-2nd-2005, 07:48 PM
hopefully, we can trade down for a 2nd round pick and pick williamson with our 1st and jones with the 2nd

bubba9497
March-2nd-2005, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by phred2321
hopefully, we can trade down for a 2nd round pick and pick williamson with our 1st and jones with the 2nd

we have more needs than WR... no way you spend your top 2 draft picks on the same position especially WR

CrazyZeb
March-2nd-2005, 07:52 PM
I'm with ya on this one, bubba. :D

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phred2321
March-2nd-2005, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497


we have more needs than WR... no way you spend your top 2 draft picks on the same position especially WR

i was thinking more in the way of putting jones at TE
especially if he can block


can he block?

DominatingDonkeys
March-2nd-2005, 08:01 PM
If we are some how able to aquire a 2nd round pick, there are quite a few other WR's that we'd select over Jones. Geoff McArthur and Chris Henry are 2 guys in that round range and both will be better pros IMO.

Matador36
March-2nd-2005, 08:03 PM
Same here :D

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93061&highlight=matt+jones

Oldskool
March-2nd-2005, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497
Matt Jones

He has the size for the red zone jump balls and to block, the speed to go deep, the natural athletic ability, and is a hard working no nonsense type player that Gibbs likes. He can play TE or WR or H-Back... and with it looking more & more like Coles is staying... Jones would be the perfect replacement for Gardner.


plus it looks like Mike Williams maybe gone by #9, it would allow us to trade down maybe get a 2nd to take Jones, and use our 1st rounder for a pass rushing DE

Coles, Jacobs, Jones and Cooley :point2sky

This may happen ONLY if Edwards and Williams are off the board by the time we pick (be that at #9, before then or after then).

bnacpa
March-2nd-2005, 08:57 PM
From what the guy on NFL Network who covered the Combine were saying ... Matt Jones played as WR for the Senior Bowl, but otherwise played QB in college. They were remarking at how intelligent he was to get separation on the post patterns and the athleticism of the jump ball in the endzone. We have had success with converted QB's in the past (see Brian Mitchell), but I do think that he would warrent a mid to lower round pick, but as a 1st or 2nd rounder for a WR may be a little bit of a stretch. If he is still available in the 3rd round, grab him.

Hauss
March-2nd-2005, 09:15 PM
If he is there in the 3rd round, I would take him.

Joeythetapeworm
March-2nd-2005, 09:18 PM
I'm definitely with bubba on this one. Seems like Jones has Randy Moss level athleticism without the whole "being a headcase" thing. Inexperience is something that can be grown out of, and based on what I'm hearing about this guy, he might develop faster than people suspect.

Renegade7
March-2nd-2005, 09:22 PM
I called it first, don't get it twisted. :D

VAsBeachBoy
March-2nd-2005, 09:35 PM
Keep Coles...

Trade down to #24 w/packers so they can get their QB before detroit.

We get #24, #49, and #81.

With #24 we get Clayton.

With second rounder we take either B. McFadden, B. Swancutt, C.webster, Fabian Washington, J. Tuck, or Dave Baas.

With thirds (2) we take 2 out of M.Jones (TE), Reggie Brown, Eric Green, Marcus Johnson, Chris Canty, James Butler (great value for third, major upgrade at SS + HIM AND ST would be one scary backfield)

What options yall like best???

Matador36
March-3rd-2005, 09:23 AM
I would make Matt Jones my 3rd string QB, #2 TE, and #4 WR

Oh yeah and also play him on special teams.

How many spots is that saving on game day? No more excuses not to get McCants in :D

Of course that would mean cutting Boonell and moving Tim to #2 QB.

AJWatson3
March-3rd-2005, 09:32 AM
i think any team that is willing to draft a QB in the first round and have him play WR is absolutely insane. the kid has NO experience at the position, no matter how well he worked out at the combine and the sr. bowl his stock hasn't jumped that much. vincent jackson on the other hand may have snuck into the early second round.... he's a WR.

mookie0720
March-3rd-2005, 11:43 AM
Can someone please tell me why you think Matt Jones would be a TE?

He has 0 experience in blocking, and ran a 4.37 40.

That's faster than almost ALL the WR's.

He has great hands and super speed, how is he any less of a WR than any of the guys coming out this year.

It's much easier to go from playing QB, a non-physical position, to WR, another non-physical position (as compared to TE, RB, FB, OL, defense).

GURU
March-3rd-2005, 01:13 PM
I agree that you want that kind of athleticism on the outside, not inside. Don't buy too much into the Senior Bowl performance. He displayed some raw ability, at times. That was a great one handed catch, but it was also horrid coverage despite the fact that Jones had no separation. His 40 time indicates that he's got very nice straight line speed. But is he elusive at all? Is he quick in and out of his breaks?

Word is that he's intelligent. And his experience at quarterback could be an advantage in learning how to play receiver. And that's the thing--he's still gotta learn how to play receiver. Knowlege and smarts are one thing. But you still physically have to go through the process of learning how to run routes; how to get off press coverage; how to read coverages on the move instead of behind the center. That takes time.

I wouldn't never take Jones any higher than the 3rd round, and he doesn't really start to constitute any value until the 4th round. Indications are that he might be one of those guys who's flat out a "football player." MIGHT be. There's still a great deal of risk with a player who doesn't yet have a position.

The Skins have to seriously consider value with each and every pick because they are short on them. If they had multiple picks on the first day, they might have the luxury of taking a chance and reaching a bit for Jones. But they don't. They have to make each pick count, and there are plenty of more polished players out there, at a number of positions, who could probably contribute more, earlier.

Most of these proposed trade-down scenarios are pipe dreams and highly unlikely. I wouldn't count on it. Gibbs was seen keeping an eye on Jones at the combine, so they are probably evaluating him. But just like they had to do with Antonio Pierce, they must guage Jones' value and stick to it. If they end picking a receiver in the first round, don't count on Jones being a Redskin unless he falls to the 6th or 7th round, which sounds unlikely.

Grumpy Vet
March-3rd-2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497
Matt Jones

He has the size for the red zone jump balls and to block, the speed to go deep, the natural athletic ability, and is a hard working no nonsense type player that Gibbs likes. He can play TE or WR or H-Back... and with it looking more & more like Coles is staying... Jones would be the perfect replacement for Gardner.


plus it looks like Mike Williams maybe gone by #9, it would allow us to trade down maybe get a 2nd to take Jones, and use our 1st rounder for a pass rushing DE

Coles, Jacobs, Jones and Cooley :point2sky

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