Per CPND, David Patten is visiting Redskins Park Today

[MorgantownHokie88]

I wish it was David Givens not Patten.

[bubba9497]

interesting

[Griff]

He brings a winning attitude...

[herrmag]

When was the last time we had a bonafide #1 WR? I like Patten, but wouldn't consider him a "great" receiver.

[Johnny Punani2]

Originally posted by MorgantownHokie88
I wish it was David Givens not Patten.

Me too...

[Oldskool]

he's no better than Jacobs, Thrash or McCants.

Pass.

[DUSTINMFOX]

2004 44 800 18.2 48 7 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0

CAREER 236 3519 14.9 91 20 11 111 10.1 29 1 3 1

Height: 5-10
Weight: 190 lbs.
Pos: Wide Receiver



Age: 30
Born: August 19, 1974, Hopkins, SC
Experience: 8 years
College: Western Carolina

[Rocky21]

44 catches for 800 yards and 7 touches last year.

[ciresolstice]

Patten has an upside though..hopefully he has another notch/level we havent seen, might be a solid pick up to bolster the wr ranks.

I'm liking the way this offseason is going so far..except for losing Pierce but not overpaying, and getting solid guys to bolster the team that have some experience, but are still relatively young. Along with keeping many of our guys. Albright was signed, nice to have stability/consistency at the Long Snapper Pos. along with Big Joe, etc.

[Hooper]

This is exactly the kind of WR I thought Gibbs would go after. Been on a winning team and will give you everything he has.

[pr11fan]

I like patten a hell of alot more than Gardener, no he isn't as physically talented but he gives you everything he has, that kind of attitude is contagious. If he comes reasonably cheap go ahead and sign him.

[Buford]

blue collar system guy. He won't get huge money and nobody should be pissed if we sign him.

However, if we ship out Coles and Gardner...we still need to draft a guy in the 1st.

[Oldskool]

he'll be 31 years old by the start of the season.

Dont you guys think there is a reason why NE didnt resign him??

[sonsofwashington]

nm. i like tacos

[Hooper]

Gibbs is going to turn the skins into a blue collar into a team of hard-working, no frills guys. I love it.

[cscmtp]

if we're paying the league minimum for him, fine. otherwise, i can't say i like him anymore than what we already have on the roster...

[Boy2Der]

I definetly think this would be a great pick up because we still need to find someone to replace gardner

[SKINtil8tin]

Patten isn't a bad pick-up if we don't have to overpay for him...Has more playoff experience than most of the guys on the team. Could be a reliable #2 (in a worst case scenario) if we lost Gardner, Coles and none of our receivers really stepped up. Hopefully we get a true #1 somewhere down the line and that isn't even remotely the case.

[Hooper]

The Pats were after Mason, who turned down more money from them than the Ravens gave him because his wife is from Baltimore. I hope making her happy makes up for Kyle Boller missing him over and over.

[inmate running the asylum]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1790

If we replace Gardner, McCants and maybe Coles, we are going to need 3 new receivers.

Patten is a solid #3 receiver and comes from a winning program. And his 44 catches and 18.2 YPR avg are not bad either. He has caught as many as 61 passes. He's at least as good as Gardner, although older, and certainly more proven then McCants.

The downside is he will be 31 soon, but the upside hopefully is that he won't cost that much. :)

[sonsofwashington]

I think his stats are pretty nice......18.* ypc. 44 catches for 800.....What did Coles have? 90 for 999-........yeah.

[mookie0720]

Worthless pickup this would be.

He's not any better than what we have now.

He's also 31.

[FLSKINSFAN]

We could be looking at Patten and Moss next year. Patten is a steady vet, and a winner. We'll see what happens.

[dfbovey]

If we sign Patten and the Coles trade goes through... that would give us:

Santana Moss
David Patton
Taylor Jacobs
James Thrash
Darnerian McCants

I don't like that line up unless Taylor Jacobs makes a huge step up in production and becomes a legit #2 WR.

Or

Mike Williams slips to us.

[herrmag]

Originally posted by sonsofwashington
nm. i like tacos

Dude, you are wasting a post. Burritos, baby, burritos!;)

[Hooper]

Intangibles go a long, long way.

[ciresolstice]

Originally posted by Oldskool
he'll be 31 years old by the start of the season.

Dont you guys think there is a reason why NE didnt resign him??

^^^ didn't realize he was that old//

Doh, I got patten and givens confused. *lol* just looked up thier profiles.

Patten would still bring some consistency though and a guy that gives you all he has.

We gotta hope and pray Mike Williams drops to us @ #9 somehow though. Plax to the Vikes give some glimmer of hope if that goes thru.

[herrmag]

Originally posted by mookie0720
Worthless pickup this would be.



Yoda posts on this board?:D

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater]

This is a good way to get a deep threat for dirt cheap. He's not the answer at WR by any means, but his price tag is not going to stop us from getting other WRs.

I'll bet he gets signed for the minimum or close to it. This is the first time I've ever heard his name all offseason, except when people confuse him with David Givens.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by herrmag

Burritos, baby, burritos!;)


give me gas :fart:

[Drex]

This potential move doesn't say much for Taylor Jacobs' ability.

[cfujskins]

If the deal is at or close to the vet minimum, sure, I'm down for it. Should provide valuble leadership.

[TheBeast36]

i will def. pass on this guy.

[Burgold]

Could be a Henry Ellard type move.

[section 130]

It was just verified on WTEM 980.

[Ernie5]

Now people are complaining b/c he's not high profile enough? Jeez. The guy makes some plays and isn't ridiculously expensive. Also people forget: Givens is an RFA. He will cost us a draft choice!!!!!!!

[joeoconnor]

Well,the Pats didn't re-sign Troy Brown,the guy who for me personifies everything which they're about...So i wouldn't let that put you off.Face it,we're not gonna get a superstar WR this offseason,Mason,Porter and Muhammed are off the market,Burress is not a proven #1 at all,in fact he's only been an above average #2 the last couple of seasons,and Mike Williams WILL be gone by our 9th pick.If we get S.Moss as well,for that little bit of explosivity,to add to Patten,Jacobs,Thrash and maybe McCants,i'll be satisfied.We can even then concentrate on elsewhere,such as TE,DE and possibly elsewhere depending on how the rest of the free agency period works out.

[Mad Mike]

Originally posted by Drex
This potential move doesn't say much for Taylor Jacobs' ability.

Yeah, cause everyone knows you only need one WR. :doh:

Seriously man, Don't ry to read so much into this. Coles looks like he's gone, so does Gardner. Patten is a solid, experienced WR from a winning team. just the kind of guy you want to build depth in your WRs.

[cfujskins]

Originally posted by Ernie5
Now people are complaining b/c he's not high profile enough? Jeez. The guy makes some plays and isn't ridiculously expensive. Also people forget: Givens is an RFA. He will cost us a draft choice!!!!!!!

How can he be a RFA if he is a veteran with well over 3 years exp??:confused:

[stevzy88va]

i dont even know who that is.

[Blue Collar Skins]

I like David Patten. A Blue-collar type WR with a good work ethic and gives it his all on the field. You don't see him dropping many passes. What were people saying about Cornelius Griffin? Salavea? Springs? Now what are they saying about them? I would take a guy who's going to try and play as a team rather than a flashy player any day, because football is a team sport. Not about one man.

[jwpanic]

what's wrong with bringing in a proven winner that will be a helluva a lot cheaper than plexiglass or anyone else?

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Edit: I meant PATTEN is still a very fast deep threat and doesn't drop balls. Not sure just how much he has left in the tank, but he'd be worth a look if we lose both our starters.

[BruinSkin]

Originally posted by cfujskins


How can he be a RFA if he is a veteran with well over 3 years exp??:confused:

David GIVENS is a RFA from Notre Dame. David PATTEN is a UFA. We're interested in having Patten.

[Skins11]

Originally posted by Drex
This potential move doesn't say much for Taylor Jacobs' ability.

Care to explain how signing an inexpensive receiver means Gibbs is doubting Jacobs - in an offseason where we could lose our two starting WRs?

[bubba9497]

cheap talent over high priced under achiever

[Funkyalligator]

Yup...Patten would be a good signing....if we could sign him to vet min(for 2-3 years) so it only counts a small portion against the cap...he has good hands and decent speed....the type of receiver that we need as Ramsey develops.....

[jbooma]

Originally posted by bubba9497
interesting

he would be our speed guy, but not a #1, i like Patten, and is cheap

[bubba9497]

Lets see

Coles- gone or at least on the **** list
Gardner- Gone
McCants- On the outs, maybe gone
Thrash- #4 guy Special Teamer

Yeah bringing in another WR spells doom for Jacobs :rolleyes:

[gaterskins]

Originally posted by Bufford
blue collar system guy. He won't get huge money and nobody should be pissed if we sign him.

However, if we ship out Coles and Gardner...we still need to draft a guy in the 1st.

Hey Bufford, whats up with the sig? man I just eat lunch, im about
to :puke:

[garg8050]

Maybe all we need is a little more speed at the WR position. It was clear last year that our WR's (specifically Coles and Gardner) were not getting any separation. That really limits your opportunities for big plays in the passing game and yards after the catch. If we do end up with Moss and possibly Patten, on top of solidifying the O-line, Gibbs should have more opportunities to throw the ball downfield.

First of all, Moss and Patten are faster than Coles and Gardner, collectively. That should improve their ability to get separation. And secondly, with the interior O-line improved, Ramsey should have more time in the pocket to take those shots downfield.

If we do end up signing Patten, I think it's a solid move.

[KingGibbs]

Originally posted by Hooper
Intangibles go a long, long way.

Yes they do. but, he's not that "sexy" m-f'er that everyone wants.

[G.Smitty]

I think this signing would spell doom for McCants and not Jacobs.

Now I could be wrong on this but I think Patten is a good special teams performer. He is also very fast and has good hands, and while not a great reciever I think he would be a slight upgrade over James Thrash as a slot reciever.

I don't think he will sign for the vet minimum on the second day of free agency but he will probably get something like a million dollar signing bonus. At that price I think he would be a good signing and further proof that our team is heading in a different direction in our offseason philosophy.

[BD]

I think Patten would be a #3 in the system next year - and I like him in that role. He's more of a deep threat than a possession guy, and he's a decent run blocker too.

Frankly, I like the fact that he's a low-priced veteran. We still need to draft a first round legit #1 receiver, though.

A WR roster that was:

1: Draft Pick (Williams or Williamson or Clayton)
2: Coles
3: Patten
4: Jacobs
5: Thrash
6: DMac or Antonio Brown

Would grade from my perspective as a slight improvement.

BD

[shims3]

Pump the brakes...David Patten? Why do we need another small WR? I say pass on him....

[ohioskinfan]

i like this, at least were adressing the wr issue even if its a contraversial choice

[Mr. S]

well, if he's cheap, I wouldnt mind taking him. Hard worker, from a blue-collar type team. He's not any better than who we have, but he's got experience, and if Coles and Gardner are both going, we need a guy with experience. Thrash and Patten would help develop Jacobs nicely, and maybe we are still trading for Santana Moss. Ill be happy with this lineup:

Moss, Jacobs, Thrash, Patten, and (hopefully) McCants. Draft a guy as well like Mark Clayton or Troy WIlliamson who have potential.

[shims3]

Originally posted by BD
I think Patten would be a #3 in the system next year - and I like him in that role. He's more of a deep threat than a possession guy, and he's a decent run blocker too.

Frankly, I like the fact that he's a low-priced veteran. We still need to draft a first round legit #1 receiver, though.

A WR roster that was:

1: Draft Pick (Williams or Williamson or Clayton)
2: Coles
3: Patten
4: Jacobs
5: Thrash
6: DMac or Antonio Brown

Would grade from my perspective as a slight improvement.

BD

There is NO REASON to hold Jacobs back and promote Patten as our 3. I like Thrash as our #4 and Jacobs as our #3. We then will need to draft a big WR.

[bird_1972]

I agree that it doesn't seem as though we need a guy like this ... unless we are using this as a ploy to gain leverage in our trade discussions with the Jets.

If they see we are willing to go with a similar WR in Patten (speedster like Moss) then perhaps they might panic and throw in a draft pick with him.

Just a thought.

[Phat Hog]

Probably a good pickup if the price is right... we'll still need to pick someone up in the draft.

[RedskinzOwnU]

jacobs will be a #2 or a #3 next year, even if patten comes, i wouldn't worry about it

[BD]

Originally posted by shims3


There is NO REASON to hold Jacobs back and promote Patten as our 3. I like Thrash as our #4 and Jacobs as our #3. We then will need to draft a big WR.

Yes and no - one factor in all of this is whether the Coles deal for Moss goes through. I think if Coles leaves, Jacobs will have a chance to contend for a starting job, and Patten/Moss will be the slot guys. But that's just a guess after Jacobs was clearly used as a sub for Coles on a couple of occasions.

BD

[Drex]

Originally posted by Skins11


Care to explain how signing an inexpensive receiver means Gibbs is doubting Jacobs - in an offseason where we could lose our two starting WRs?

Certainly. At this point in his career, considering his status as a #2 draft pick, Jacobs should be emerging as a guy who can be a #2 or #3 wr, rendering the need to sign a guy such as Patten, obsolete.

As for losing two starting WR's, let's take into consideration the potential of Santana Moss becoming a redskin. Whether it's Coles himself or Moss via trade, there will be only 1 starting WR position to fill, under the circumstances of Gardner being traded.

[Mad Mike]

Jacobs will almost certainly be our #2, maybe even #1. Patten, Moss, or another similar reciever would be #3. Thrash our #4. It all depends on who we draft.

[Darth Tater]

We need depth at WR, no question. Patten does NOT have the looser mentality. Even though he's not an A1 stud, he does have okay WR skills. If we go with a WR in the first and having Jacobs who is also a pup, we'd want the WINNER mentality to rub off.

[Hooper]

He's a burner. We need just that.

[aspkikn]

Originally posted by BD
I think Patten would be a #3 in the system next year - and I like him in that role. He's more of a deep threat than a possession guy, and he's a decent run blocker too.

Frankly, I like the fact that he's a low-priced veteran. We still need to draft a first round legit #1 receiver, though.

A WR roster that was:

1: Draft Pick (Williams or Williamson or Clayton)
2: Coles
3: Patten
4: Jacobs
5: Thrash
6: DMac or Antonio Brown

Would grade from my perspective as a slight improvement.

BD

A rookie #1 wide receiver. That'll work.

[Ricky Ervins]

One of the things I remember about Patten is he is one of the only NFL players to pass, run and a catch a touchdown in a single game.

[Mad Mike]

"We feel like, from a wide receiver standpoint, we are looking for someone who is talented and fits in with us," Gibbs said. "We're looking for someone we can build around. Taylor Jacobs is a guy we think we can build around and obviously we love James Thrash's ability". - Joe Gibbs

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Drex


Certainly. At this point in his career, considering his status as a #2 draft pick, Jacobs should be emerging as a guy who can be a #2 or #3 wr, rendering the need to sign a guy such as Patten, obsolete.

As for losing two starting WR's, let's take into consideration the potential of Santana Moss becoming a redskin. Whether it's Coles himself or Moss via trade, there will be only 1 starting WR position to fill, under the circumstances of Gardner being traded.

How many WR will the Skins have on their team 3?

Moss & Jacobs & Thrash?

:laugh:

If Patten signed it has no bearing on Jacobs abilities. Patten is simply a quailty depth signing nothing more.

[fpickering]

I don't know what you are all objecting about. This is just the kind of player we want.

No more overpaid stars. We need solid performing team players. Who cares if he is getting up in age. We are drafting one, maybe 2 WRs in the draft to groom.

[Skins11]

Originally posted by bubba9497


How many WR will the Skins have on their team 3?

Moss & Jacobs & Thrash?

:laugh:

If Patten signed it has no bearing on Jacobs abilities. Patten is simply a quailty depth signing nothing more.


Exactly. Just because we traded for Thrash last year doesn't mean we were planning for him to be our top receiver.

[fpickering]

Here are the WRs from the World Champion Patroits

David Givens 56 874 15.6 3
David Patten 44 800 18.2 7
Deion Branch 35 454 13.0 4


I think this is the type of WR corps Gibbs may be going after.

I personally believe that Patton will fit in real nice along with Coles/Moss, Jacobs and Thrash/McCants and a rookie.

Let's sign him.

[Drex]

Originally posted by bubba9497


How many WR will the Skins have on their team 3?

Moss & Jacobs & Thrash?

:laugh:

If Patten signed it has no bearing on Jacobs abilities. Patten is simply a quailty depth signing nothing more.

Patten catches 44 passes for 800 yards, 18.2 avg with 7 TD's for the world champs, and he is going to sign with us on the second day of free agency, as a result of our need to attain quality depth?

I find that hard to believe. If Patten is coming here, he is coming here to play and perform, not to provide, "quality depth".

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater]

After watching the offense last year, I say we can never have too many deep threats.

[jrockster21]

Coles for Moss is definitely dead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A900-2005Mar2_2.html

(second page of article)

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Drex


Patten catches 44 passes for 800 yards, 18.2 avg with 7 TD's for the world champs, and he is going to sign with us on the second day of free agency, as a result of our need to attain quality depth?

I find that hard to believe. If Patten is coming here, he is coming here to play and perform, not to provide, "quality depth".

at 31 and not re-signed by his old team... he really doesn't have much say in the matter. He was the #3, #4 guys with the Pats last season.... he isn't going anywhere to be the main WR or even a #2.

Just common sense.

[project myu]

Originally posted by jrockster77
Coles for Moss is definitely dead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A900-2005Mar2_2.html

(second page of article)

Also in that article:

"Redskin for life, baby," Samuels yelled at his news conference.

Just reading that sent a chill down my spine! Is there a clip so I can see if actually hearing it will have the same impact as reading it?

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by jrockster77
Coles for Moss is definitely dead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A900-2005Mar2_2.html

(second page of article)

First.- the WP has been wrong repeatedly about what's happening on this deal, plus that was written last night


Second.- FOX reported a couple hours ago, the Jets have started Talks again with Coles agent this morning.

[FLSKINSFAN]

Originally posted by jrockster77
Coles for Moss is definitely dead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A900-2005Mar2_2.html

(second page of article)

That part of the article is from last night. The Jets had talks with Coles agent today. Read the Fox Sports article.

[fpickering]

Originally posted by Drex


Patten catches 44 passes for 800 yards, 18.2 avg with 7 TD's for the world champs, and he is going to sign with us on the second day of free agency, as a result of our need to attain quality depth?

I find that hard to believe. If Patten is coming here, he is coming here to play and perform, not to provide, "quality depth".

Agreed, he is going to play and play a significant role if we sign him.

Look, if Coles leaves then we don't have a legit #1 WR. As an aside how anyone can say Coles is not a #1 is just baffling to me considering he had 90 receptions last year with a bad toe.

That being said, Coles is probably history. So, assuming we get Moss in return then we will not have a true #1 but... does that really matter? Look at the Pats. Who has been their clear cut #1 the past couple of seasons?

A WR corps of the following is fine by me!!

Moss
Jacobs
Patten
Thrash
(rookie TBD).

[fpickering]

Originally posted by bubba9497


at 31 and not re-signed by his old team... he really doesn't have much say in the matter. He was the #3, #4 guys with the Pats last season.... he isn't going anywhere to be the main WR or even a #2.

Just common sense.

Bubba, statistically he was the #2 WR and close behind the #1 WR, Givens.

The pats seem to not place labels on their WRs. If Patten comes here then he will fit in nicely as our 2nd or 3rd most effective WR.

[sith lord]

David Patten is the perfect fit in our offense.Kinda like Ricky Sanders was.

[BD]

Originally posted by aspkikn


A rookie #1 wide receiver. That'll work.

It wasn't a problem for Tampa Bay or Detroit. Clayton and Williams were ridiculously good.

BD

[Drex]

Originally posted by bubba9497


at 31 and not re-signed by his old team... he really doesn't have much say in the matter. He was the #3, #4 guys with the Pats last season.... he isn't going anywhere to be the main WR or even a #2.

Just common sense.

The reason why Patten was expendable to the Pats is a direct result of the emergence of their younger WR's as more than capable replacements, i.e. Givens, Branch, Johnson.

As for his say in the matter, considering his status as an unrestricted FA as well as his statistics from the previous season, I would say that on the second day of free agency, he does has some say in the matter. Considering the teams in the league who could use a veteran presence at the WR position who is battle tested and has experience, I'd say that factors such as finances and playing time would appear to be his motivation for coming here.

[Mad Mike]

Originally posted by bubba9497
Just common sense.

For some people. For others it's a chance to make a giant leap of logic off a very tall cliff. :laugh:

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by fpickering


Bubba, statistically he was the #2 WR and close behind the #1 WR, Givens.

The pats seem to not place labels on their WRs. If Patten comes here then he will fit in nicely as our 2nd or 3rd most effective WR.


Look at his career stats... and the Pats are a passing team

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/c5af9a64.jpg

Quailty Depth

[Renegade7]

I'm feeling it. Pats WR were clutch, and have been for years. 44 catches and 7 TDs? What's the ratio for that? Good, that's what it is. Hit it, where's the ink pen?

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Mad Mike


For some people. For others it's a chance to make a giant leap of logic off a very tall cliff. :laugh:


So true :doh:




:laugh:

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater]

Originally posted by bubba9497

Look at his career stats... and the Pats are a passing team


Gotta love that 18.2 yards per catch.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by bubba9497



Look at his career stats... and the Pats are a passing team

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/c5af9a64.jpg

Quailty Depth

he is still better then anyone we have right now, you do know he started when Givens and Branch went down right :)

His stats are better then our starters :doh:

He would be ahead of Jacobs and McCants and Thrash right now.

[stevzy88va]

i know who he is now

[FLSKINSFAN]

I agree with jbooma... :shot:


As of right now, if he signed I think he would be the number 2. Either way, it would be a great competition for the number 2 spot.

[tr1]

Hey, if he has a good toe, and he catches the ball more than 50% of the time, I think he'll do....

[RedskinzOwnU]

he sounds fine to me. He had about the same # of yards that rany moss had this season with just over half the # of catches - this guy can obviously make plays in a functional offense. Let's hope he can do it for us too if we sign him

[CHUBAKAH]

Originally posted by tr1
Hey, if he has a good toe, and he catches the ball more than 50% of the time, I think he'll do....
Agreed, anything more than Coles and Gardner are an improvement.

[taylor36]

He would make a great #2. Everyone said Mason was the top WR available. Patten is the exact same size. 5-10 190. He scored 7 TDs like Mason and had 3/4 the yards on almost HALF the receptions. Only 44 receptions, but remember, he played for a New England team that like to spread the ball around. He also had a higher average than Mason by 6 yards a catch. SIGN HIM COACH GIBBS

[Gamebreaker]

I would like Patten as a Skin, if he'll be able to reproduce the type of production he did with the Pats. Yet our recieving search better not end here.

[TODD]

I don't know about this. He's not going to be a big enough upgrade over D-Mac/Jacobs. I'd rather give these young guys time than throw money at a guy who was a product of an excellent Belichick system.

[Awgustlab]

I'll take Patten anyday - the guy makes plays and knows how to get in the endzone. Patten in place of Gardener any day.

[citigent]

if he is cheap he would be a great team guy that may help develop taylor, mccants thought he might be gone , and a drafted wr if the skins choose to go the draft route. the whole idea of gibbs turning around the skins and brining in hard working team guys and getting rid of flashy big bonus guys is exactly why we would look at a guy like tis and want to get rid of a disgruntled crybaby like coles.