MERGED-Ken Lucas a Panther - BIG BONUS

[Taylor Made]

Ken Lucas heading to the Panthers for 14 MILLION. :puke:

Reported Fox Sports Radio/Jay Glazer?

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115335

[pr11fan]

omg, if he got that what is somebody gonna offer smoot. God this sucks so bad. :puke:

[Drex]

Fred Smoot will sign with someone for at LEAST this amount in signing bonus.

Also, it's going to be pretty expensive to secure the services of Samari Rolle.

[pr11fan]

Smoot likely just went up to 15 million minimum. Rolle I would guess 16 million. Hmm, wr or cb at #9...........:cue jeopardy theme:

Moss, Patten, Jacobs anyone?? Maybe with the other Rolle or Pac-man at #9.

[bubba9497]

poor Inmate....he'll be heart broken

[vnmenon1]

Great... Now smoot will want 20mil :doh:

[RabidFan]

Sign Troy Brown for backup DB and go with Harris and Wilds and other soon to be undrafted players or just get a 2nd pick for Gardner and draft one....solved

[Kilmer]

To me this is expected. Agents know what they are doing and if Smoot is holding firm you know it is because the agent knows what the market will be.

[Zen-like Todd]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3436332

Note that the article doesnt say it was all in a signing bonus. It's probably a 10-12M SB and a roster bonus the following year.

Panthers land Lucas, Wahle

FOXSports.com
Posted: 3 minutes ago

FOXSports.com has learned that minutes after getting lineman Mike Wahle to agree to a major deal, CB Ken Lucas agreed to a massive contract that is believed to average $8 million per year over the first two years. The deal is also believed to have a split bonus and will total $13.5 to $14 million over those two years in bonus money.


Lucas was extremely attractive on the open market because of his size and athleticism. The Seahawks didn't re-sign him because they viewed Bobby Taylor as their No. 1 corner, although others around the league love the potential that Lucas shows.

Lucas has missed just two starts in the last four seasons and in 2004 had his best season by picking off six passes. Lucas will likely team with Chris Gamble as the starting corners for Carolina, although Ricky Manning, Jr. will figure into their plans as well.

As for Wahle, the Panthers are pondering whether to start him at guard or tackle but will likely begin with him at the left guard slot.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

If our FO had signed Smoot to 13.5 or 14 million BEFORE the start of FA.

Just like Pierce. We didn't anticipate the prices these guys would command.

Our mistake.

[Posse81]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2004103

Carolina Panthers: The Panthers have reached agreements in principle with two of the top free agents at their positions -- Packers offensive lineman Mike Wahle and Seahawks cornerback Ken Lucas.

As of Thursday afternoon, the team was working out the final details of the contracts, but they expected to conclude the transactions by the end of the day. Lucas, considered the best free agent cornerback, is expected to get a six-year deal for around $36 million, including a signing bonus of around $13 million. Wahle, a guard who can play tackle, is supposed to get close to $5 million a year on a five-year contract, including a signing bonus of around $10 million.

Lucas had his best season with the Seahawks. He was an alternate to the Pro Bowl and led the team with six interceptions. His specialty is his pass coverage, but he also is willing to come up and make a few hits on the run.

With Wahle, the Panthers acquired versatility. He has been one of the better guards in the NFC, but he has the flexibility to play tackle.

[The X-Factor]

Good god, I thought the corner market was going to go down after the new rules were initiated. Lucas isn't even a premier corner and he's getting paid massively.

[TaylorPickSix]

WE basically have to keep Smoot now, or else we're screwed

[Buford]

well, two things.

#1 What teams still need a starting DB?

#2. How much cap room do these teams have?

[RonJeremy]

Skins are screwed...fffuuudddggeeee!!!

[bpoch]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2004103&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

6 years $36 Mil/ $13 Mil bonus

[dchogs]

is smoot even visiting anywhere??? i haven't seen anything about him

[Renegade7]

Smoot's gone.

[Grumpy Vet]

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[Bazooka Tooth]

13 is way too much for Lucas IMO

[Buford]

Originally posted by Renegade7
Smoot's gone.


ok, to where? before Rolle and Law?

[FLSKINSFAN]

:rubeyes: Man, the cornerback market is completely outrageous. If we want to get a corner, it looks like it will have to be in late April.

[Renegade7]

Signed.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1245279#post1245279

[SkinsNut73]

Originally posted by dchogs
is smoot even visiting anywhere??? i haven't seen anything about him

Exactly what I'm wondering...haven't heard a thing about him.

Of course, I said the same thing about Antonio Pierce at about this time yesterday...and within hours he had signed :(

...better keep my mouth shut...

[Renegade7]

Originally posted by Bufford



ok, to where? before Rolle and Law?

Chiefs, I bet. Either way, if that's the type of money that's going to thrown around at these CBs this year, I don't believe his contract demands will come down. If someone's willing to give that much money to Ken Lucas, someone is dumb enough and desperate enough to throw that much money at Smoot. Rolle's the best avaliabe, but last I heard Law was still in a wheelchair because of his foot.

[Skins4SB]

Did the Panthers really need him that badly? I thought Ricky Manning was pretty solid and Chris Gamble had a decent rookie year.

[Buford]

Roll was in KC today.

what else have you got?

[Drex]

Originally posted by dchogs
is smoot even visiting anywhere??? i haven't seen anything about him

The Lucas deal, and to some degree the Antonio Henry deal with the boys, is exactly what Smoot and his agent were waiting for: the market for CB's during this season's free agency period has been set.

[cfujskins]

GREAT Carolina. Way to f**k the rest of the league over on this one. I needed a good reason to hate the Panthers and I've found it, I'm afraid. This is crazy. Yea, we should of up our offers before FA, but hindsight is always 20/20. "Smoot, wait right there while I go get my checkbook from the car" *sigh*:doh:

[Renegade7]

Originally posted by Bufford
Roll was in KC today.

what else have you got?

Doesn't mean he's signed yet. I'd think San Diego. Pass D was terrible and Marty drafted him. I always thought maybe Denver, but they already have their "shutdown corner". My point though is that it looks like Lucas just set the bar. If we have to give Smoot anything like that, we won't bring him back. I wouldn't want him back.

[RunPortisRun]

Smoot is as good as gone. Like our LBs, we cant pay every DB top dollar. ie. Springs, Taylor.

[ciresolstice]

Wow..even with the emphasis on the rules of the no contact after 5 yards deal corners are still coveted and high priced yikes. I thought it would have drivin the value the other way around.

Appears Smoot is a goner too after that, he'll want as much if not more.

[Hooper]

Jimoh, baby! Jimoh! No one gives a receiver a ten yard cushion on third and short like he does!

[soljaofjesus]

Yup Smoot is gone and so is Rolle.

[VAsBeachBoy]

Hey I gotta novel idea let's stop worrying about CB market and let everyone else got to hell in a handbasket for overspending in a non-cornerback market. We don't need any CBs not even Smoot. Harris, and Springs dominated the third best passing offense in the game last year on our last game. We'll save that cap room and sign a dang receiver...

[soljaofjesus]

Originally posted by Hooper
Jimoh, baby! Jimoh! No one gives a receiver a ten yard cushion on third and short like he does!

I like Jimoh thank you very much and I think he could be a pro bowl caliber CB if given the chance seriously. Smoot Does the same thing. He is always giving the receiver 10-15 yard give mes

[bubba9497]

assumptions around here run rampant

[Phat Hog]

What assumptions? :D


;)

[cfujskins]

Originally posted by ciresolstice
Wow..even with the emphasis on the rules of the no contact after 5 yards deal corners are still coveted and high priced yikes. I thought it would have drivin the value the other way around.

Appears Smoot is a goner too after that, he'll want as much if not more.

You know what? I thought about this and these whole bullsh*t prices come at the fault of Chump. All this is his f**kin' fault. I hope you're happy Champ, cause you did what every athelete hopes to do: change the face of the game.

I just had to vent. I've been so pissed off the past day and a half or so. You guy have to excuse me, I apologize. It's just... it's just...*sigh*:doh:

[redman]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
If our FO had signed Smoot to 13.5 or 14 million BEFORE the start of FA.

Just like Pierce. We didn't anticipate the prices these guys would command.

Our mistake. Or maybe, just maybe, there are teams out there who are overpaying for a position whose value and importance has been reduced due to the illegal contact penalty. I think we ended up getting the better end of the Portis-Bailey deal (a position I did not take a year ago) due solely to the illegal contact rule. The Broncos learned that lesson last year. These teams are going to learn it this year. I'd rather use this money to resign guys like Samuels and pick up role players who contribute than to overpay for guys whose importance is getting diminished by the rules.

[Bang]

Paging Garnell Wildes..
Time to step up, young'n.

~Bang

[Grumpy Vet]

Originally posted by soljaofjesus


I like Jimoh thank you very much and I think he could be a pro bowl caliber CB if given the chance seriously. Smoot Does the same thing. He is always giving the receiver 10-15 yard give mes

I Normally don't jump on folks....but good heavens. Jimoh? That man couldn't cover my dead grandmother. You were kidding about the pro bowl caliber right?

How Jimoh is in the NFL really baffles me. How he's on the Redskins is a true mystery. The only reason I can even fathom is that we need to keep a designated driver on staff to drive Sean Taylor around.

[jimster]

Originally posted by Hooper
Jimoh, baby! Jimoh! No one gives a receiver a ten yard cushion on third and short like he does!

except Smoot

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by redman
Or maybe, just maybe, there are teams out there who are overpaying for a position whose value and importance has been reduced due to the illegal contact penalty. I think we ended up getting the better end of the Portis-Bailey deal (a position I did not take a year ago) due solely to the illegal contact rule. The Broncos learned that lesson last year. These teams are going to learn it this year. I'd rather use this money to resign guys like Samuels and pick up role players who contribute than to overpay for guys whose importance is getting diminished by the rules.

Fine, then someone is going to overpay for Smoot. I guess that's why Minnesota's pass coverage was so excellent, it doesn't matter who you have lining up right?

In any event, Pierce could have been kept had they just done it before FA.

And they may have been able to save 1-2 million(uncertain) by doing Samuels deal before Jones deal was set.

[cfujskins]

Originally posted by soljaofjesus


I like Jimoh thank you very much and I think he could be a pro bowl caliber CB if given the chance seriously. Smoot Does the same thing. He is always giving the receiver 10-15 yard give mes

JIMOH!!!!????:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: He would be lucky to be on the practice squad if he wasn't such a solid ST guy. I HOPE he proves all us doubters wrong though...

[ciresolstice]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin


Fine, then someone is going to overpay for Smoot. I guess that's why Minnesota's pass coverage was so excellent, it doesn't matter who you have lining up right?

In any event, Pierce could have been kept had they just done it before FA.

And they may have been able to save 1-2 million(uncertain) by doing Samuels deal before Jones deal was set.

^^ I agree they need to sign thier guys earlier..but at the same time it's kinda hindsight with the Jones deal.

[GoDannyBoy]

Draft young CB and let him and Wilds fight to start by week 5! Three or four years at a reasonable price. Maybe the guy we draft in the third round is big and fast.

[fdarugar]

Smoot is better than Lucas he will command 16 mil.

[redman]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
Fine, then someone is going to overpay for Smoot. I guess that's why Minnesota's pass coverage was so excellent, it doesn't matter who you have lining up right?

In any event, Pierce could have been kept had they just done it before FA.

And they may have been able to save 1-2 million(uncertain) by doing Samuels deal before Jones deal was set. Interesting that you mention Minnesota. They signed Antoine Winfield last year (from Williams' old defensive squad in Buffalo). Doesn't that mean that their poor 2004 pass defense helps to prove my point?

[Renegade7]

Originally posted by redman
Interesting that you mention Minnesota. They signed Antoine Winfield last year (from Williams' old defensive squad in Buffalo). Doesn't that mean that their poor 2004 pass defense helps to prove my point?

Winfield actually did very well last year. He's one guy though, that was the problem.

[AJWatson3]

i am betting that Smoot receives a contract very similar to this one. just because Smoot thinks he deserves more doesn't mean that somebody is gonna offer it to him and i don't see it happening.

[Califan007]

An upgrade at DE would help balance out any drop off the Skins might get from losing Smoot and replacing him with Wildes or Harris....

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by redman
Interesting that you mention Minnesota. They signed Antoine Winfield last year (from Williams' old defensive squad in Buffalo). Doesn't that mean that their poor 2004 pass defense helps to prove my point?

We have a strong secondary. Minnesota's secondary, aside from Winfield, is very sub-par.

[Phat Hog]

We are done....maybe we look at drafting a CB now, keep Coles, and draft a WR in a later round.

[MrSilverMaC]

Originally posted by VAsBeachBoy
Hey I gotta novel idea let's stop worrying about CB market and let everyone else got to hell in a handbasket for overspending in a non-cornerback market. We don't need any CBs not even Smoot. Harris, and Springs dominated the third best passing offense in the game last year on our last game. We'll save that cap room and sign a dang receiver...

:laugh: When was it that you saw Harris dominating?

That was Smoot on the other side of the field from Springs, not Harris.


Harris will not be able to fill in for Smoot.


Our D over achieved last year, and it will be next to impossible to repeat without Smoot

[soljaofjesus]

Im dead serious about Jimoh

[redman]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
We have a strong secondary. Minnesota was missing Chavous at safety and their secondary aside from Winfield is very sub-par. . . . yeeessss, and we have a good secondary (Springs, Taylor, Bowen/Clark) and a good all-round defense with Williams, so . . . you see where I'm coming from now? You're actually arguing the very thing that I am. We don't need to pay this kind of money to a CB who can't by himself change the defense by being a "shut down CB on an island" the way that Darrell Green and Deion did a decade ago.

The game has changed. We shouldn't sign players as if it hadn't.

[Grumpy Vet]

Originally posted by soljaofjesus
Im dead serious about Jimoh

Are YOU Jimoh?

[RunPortisRun]

Yum yum. Rolles anyone?

[bobzmuda]

Originally posted by MrSilverMaC


:laugh: When was it that you saw Harris dominating?

That was Smoot on the other side of the field from Springs, not Harris.

Harris will not be able to fill in for Smoot.

Our D over achieved last year, and it will be next to impossible to repeat without Smoot

Smoot didn't play the last game of the year against the Vikings.

Springs was playing with a concussion for the parts of the game he could handle. A good part of the game against the Vikings was Harris and Wilds covering Moss and Burleson.

Just thought I'd help you out.

[TODD]

Good God. That's too much money. We can't give Smoot the money we gave Samuels. Sorry. That's insane.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by redman
. . . yeeessss, and we have a good secondary (Springs, Taylor, Bowen/Clark) and a good all-round defense with Williams, so . . . you see where I'm coming from now? You're actually arguing the very thing that I am. We don't need to pay this kind of money to a CB who can't by himself change the defense by being a "shut down CB on an island" the way that Darrell Green and Deion did a decade ago.

The game has changed. We shouldn't sign players as if it hadn't.

Has it? Even having a shut down corner in 1985 doesn't matter if the REST of your corners stink. I don't think that has changed at all.

You could reasonably argue about the money invested, but we got Springs at 10 million(which was regarded as high, by the way when signed) because of his injury and performance for the last couple years.

[cfujskins]

WOW. I never thought I'd see the day when $10, $11, Hell maybe even $12 Million would be a barain for a quality CB:doh:

I PERSONALLY don't feel the need to hand out all the cash, but even I'll admit that $12 Million to Smoot doesn't sound THAT bad. I can't believe I just said that....I can't believe that I thought Rolle would come around that price.:doh:


Edit: Shutdown Corners no longer exist.

[MrSilverMaC]

Originally posted by bobzmuda


Smoot didn't play the last game of the year against the Vikings.

Springs was playing with a concussion for the parts of the game he could handle. A good part of the game against the Vikings was Harris and Wilds covering Moss and Burleson.

Just thought I'd help you out.


No, from what I saw, Taylor had more to do with covering Moss than Harris did.


How well does it reflect on Harris that the only game of his you can point out, is one where Taylor was spectacular against Moss

[RunPortisRun]

Oh well, cya Smooty. We got Wilds, Harris and at times Taylor to play CB.

Draft a DE.

PS:
John Abraham will be a redskin(I hope) via Coles. Then we draft Rolle and sign Plaxico. That will seal the deal of us winning the off-season super bowl. Wheee!

[sashae]

Antrel Rolle?

[inmate running the asylum]

Originally posted by bubba9497
poor Inmate....he'll be heart broken

I told you this guy was good.......but you guys wouldn't believe me. Of course I didn't think he was THIS GOOD. :)

Its beginning to look like we might have to consider TRADING DOWN now, and drafting a CB. :rolleyes:

[Bang]

Jimoh's play on Special Teams is the only reason he's here, and he's pretty solid in that regard.

I'm going in the tank for Wildes.

~Bang