Can Moss and Patten beat #1 and #2 corners?

[vnmenon1]

As much as I try to be optimistic, this question always comes back to me...

The Jets werent pleased with Moss and some felt he may've soon been downgraded to #3 WR spot..

Patten was also a #2 WR and he is aging... not to mention he played along Tom Brady.

Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
David Givens 56 874 15.6 50 3
David Patten 44 800 18.2 48 7

Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Santana Moss 45 838 18.6 69 5
Justin McCareins 56 770 13.8 43 4

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So, ultimately I want to know this: Can these AFC East recievers turn into a solid pair of NFC east recievers who can beat team's top two corners?:logo: :2cents:

[Die Hard]

What do you think Gibbs thinks?

And who's opinion really counts?

[vnmenon1]

Honestly we don't know what Gibbs thinks. We'll only know after the draft.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by vnmenon1
Honestly we don't know what Gibbs thinks. We'll only know after the draft.

So, the fact that Gibbs signed Patten and traded for Moss... isn't an indication that he believes the offence can compete with that talent?

Fair enough.

[Die Hard]

Do you mind entering your opinion if YOU think they can compete with that talent.

I just want to make sure it's in writing :)

[vnmenon1]

I will put it in writing... I don't think Moss and Patten are good enough to be 1 and 2 recievers, but I hope they will be ;)

Gibbs did trade for Moss, yes, but would he have traded for Moss if Coles wanted to play here? No.

We dont know if he thinks he got fair value in trading Coles for Moss, but what we do know is that he did get something instead of just an outright release -- and this may be the real reason Moss is here: to get something instead of nothing.

[KirkNC]

Moss, Patten, is only part of the Redskins WR core, forget not Jacobs he has talent in spades. All Thrash ever does when given the opportunity is make plays. Lot's want to count McCants out, me I think he will be right in the mix. DMac and JG are now on the same page and Mccants is a go to guy for our starting QB- Ramsey. Those 5 will prove to be more than just solid. There will be over 2800 yards between them.

[RedDawg36]

The question is not "can Moss/Patten beat #1+#2 corners", it's:

Can our O-line hold off a D-line long enough to find the open man?

[vnmenon1]

Originally posted by RedDawg36
The question is not "can Moss/Patten beat #1+#2 corners", it's:

Can our O-line hold off a D-line long enough to find the open man?

Hmm... I agree with that as well.

[skinzfan4life]

Why cant they? Moss did all year in the "superior" afc so why wouldnt he be able to do that in the NFC? And all patten was done is have a helping hand in 3 supers bowls, so i have a feeling they both can do just fine against other teams corners.

[Mister Happy]

Moss is not the 3rd best receiver on that team. He's arguably the best.

Honestly, would you rather be getting Justin McCareins or Wayne Chrebet?

[mookie0720]

I also put it in writing that I don't feel PATTEN will consistantly be able to beat #1's and 2's, but I think Moss has a better chance.

However I am skeptical on both.

[Dickens]

Definitely a fair question. Yes given enough time any one can get open. But straight up not sure if Moss and Patten can beat the best CBs one on one most of the time. But I think a lot is going to have to do with the schemes here.

[Lurman]

Eventually, yes. Consistently, no.

And remember this is with incomparable QBs and offensive lines, in terms of production.

[fdarugar]

You guys forget that two years ago Moss put up 75 rec, 1100 yards, and 10 td and that Patten a few years ago had 61 rec. These guys are capable of carrying the load but I do think there will be another player added to the mix.

[Darth Tater]

In a Joe Gibbs offense, the question is not really can they beat anybody, its only a question of can they execute (catch the ball and get where their supposed to be on time). If they execute, they may not beat their men but that'll mean that something else must be available.

[Prosperity]

Originally posted by Die Hard


So, the fact that Gibbs signed Patten and traded for Moss... isn't an indication that he believes the offence can compete with that talent?

Fair enough.

Maybe Gibbs can judge Wr's better than he can QB's (damn Brunell :puke: )

[Leonard Washington]

:whew: dunno but i'm nervous

[Grumpy Vet]

I question whether Moss & Patten can beat #1 and #2 CBs, but I've never really paid much attention to them - nor heard much about them. I hope they can.....

...but what many of you are so obviously missing is when you throw Jacobs in there and Thrash.....and D-Mac and Brown and the WR we p/u in the draft......then when Gibbs puts in the 7 Wideout sets - I bet one of 'em gets open.

You figure 2 CBs on the the main two.
You figure 2 Safeties on the next two.
You now have 3 Linebackers on the 3 leftover wideouts = total mismatch against our speedsters.

See - Gibbs is a genius. C'mon extremeskinners -

http://www.mclennan.edu/sbdc/images/box.gif

[canesluver]

I think the WR position is fine. If we don't sign Freddy, pick a CB at the nine pick. Otherwise, trade down and take the best available player in the late 1st round and hopefully the second round.

[Ernie5]

Well, let's see: Patten and Deion Branch managed to do pretty well, so I wouldn't worry too much. Branch and Moss have similar games: small and very fast. Branch is arguably the better receiver and Moss is arguably the bigger HR threat. Add Thrash, McCants, Jacobs & maybe a draft day selection, we're fine. Next?

[LightenupSandyBaby]

If the O-line stays healthy....we will see another year of Portis running until his tongue hits the turf. I just hope our run game is soo solid that PLAY ACTION will work every time. But i still think we need some more depth in the O-Line...and I hope we will address it soon. In a nutshell without better protection it doesn't matter who is running routes for our team. Not even randy moss could get open with the amount of time Ramsey had to throw last year.

[TLusby]

I think everyone worries about the WR too much. As someone already posted the real question is whether the OL will protect Ramsey, and more importantly will Ramsey have the accuracy to put the ball where the WR need it. This is the biggest weakness that I see in PR is clearly his accuracy.

[garg8050]

In today's NFL, especially with the illegal contact rules, speed KILLS! Patten and Moss should have more room to operate/separation than Coles and Gardner had last year simply due to their speed.

It'll be nice to actually get some of those calls (as well as pass interference calls) in our favor for a change.

[Fifty Gut]

Everyone seems to forget how clutch Patten was for Brady during their SB runs, and again, how clutch Moss was in the playoffs last season.

[Moss_83]

Wow. You can see that smokescreens really do work..

Rest assured if Mike Williams falls to #9. He will be a Redskin.

[jimster]

I remember not long ago our WR's were Rod Gardner and Derrius Thompson who aren't exactly burners, but now everyone is worried about Moss and Patten getting open?

Let's not forget Jacobs will be in that mix as well.

[Thrilla4]

whos to say moss and patten wont beat number one corners...all i know is they cant do any worse than coles and gardener did...

[NewGibbsEra]

HMM LET ME SEE....

COULD MOSS BURN SMOOT? YES
COULD PATTEN BURN SMOOT? YES
COULD PATTEN BURN BAILEY? YES
COULD MOSS BURN BAILEY? YES

[Craigerson]

Folks, we might as well give up because all the junior prognosticators have written us off already. :doh:

When the reality is, for years I've been hearing the media say we needed speed, now we have speed and we've made a mistake? Someone please get their stories straight.

[fpickering]

Originally posted by RedDawg36
The question is not "can Moss/Patten beat #1+#2 corners", it's:

Can our O-line hold off a D-line long enough to find the open man?

BINGO. With Jansen back and Rabach at Center our line is almost set. The X factor will be Dockery. Can he eliminate the mental lapses that plagued him last season?
If not then he will be replaced by Ray Brown or someone else.

O line has been our issue for years now and once that is settled, Ramsey will have time in the pocket to find his receivers who will hopefully run precise routes and gain separation.
Hopefully Ramsey can find his 2nd and 3rd option when the 1st is not open.

[Sire]

It's one thing to beat a corner. It's another to block and complete the pass. Next year the Skins will do both. BELIEVE IT.