I Hope Doc Lays Into Coles....

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

I hope Doc lays into Coles this afternoon on the JT Show for his dumb ass comments. I pray he caught wind of the Redskins version of "Meshawn".

C'mon Doc lay some wood buddy!

:point2sky :point2sky :point2sky

[DUSTINMFOX]

Email...quick before he goes on:)

mailto:rickwalker@clearchannel.com?subject On the John Thompson Show

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX
Email...quick before he goes on:)

mailto:rickwalker@clearchannel.com?subject On the John Thompson Show

Just did, are you at work now Dustin?

[DUSTINMFOX]

Yeah..but they're not here today:(

I'm not allowed to talk Redskins to them, or email them..sorry guys

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

No, that's not what I wanted I wanted you to flash your :boobies: to them. :laugh: :laugh:

[Zen-like Todd]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX
Yeah..but they're not here today:(

I'm not allowed to talk Redskins to them, or email them..sorry guys

Talk Jets then! :silly:

[Buford]

so, what are they saying? anything?

[DUSTINMFOX]

Scott Jackson just mentioned it briefly on the update...and of course you know where Al stands..

Coach made a reference about today's players in the NBA and said maybe we could use a few more Dan Snyders :cheers:

[DUSTINMFOX]

The only part of the story that they referenced was the Dan/Coles/Glenn exchange and then that Dan and Coles had reconciled, but Gibbs' and Coles had not....

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

I think they're going to get into it next.. They seem to be tip toeing around it right now. It will come on in full force here in a minute.

[Dead Money]

I sent him an email and he responded...

I asked if this type of conversation (the one the SI article outline) happens behind closed doors all the time. And why Coles would make it public.

He said that it happens all the time behind closed doors, but his only question is why was coles speaking to Dan. He continued with "who is the GM" and then answered, Dan. He finished up by saying that Dan being the GM is only gonna hurt Joe Gibbs in the long run.

I have to say I agree. Nice for him to reply to me too.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Christ, he didn't get back to me. :rolleyes: :laugh:

[CrazyZeb]

I have no problem with Dan threatening Coles. That doesn't mean he's the "GM." We all acknowledge he has a hand in the contracts, etc. Doesn't mean he's picking the talent.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Send him the flat screen Dann-O!!! :evil:

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by Kevin B.
I sent him an email and he responded...

He said that it happens all the time behind closed doors, but his only question is why was coles speaking to Dan. He continued with "who is the GM" and then answered, Dan. He finished up by saying that Dan being the GM is only gonna hurt Joe Gibbs in the long run.



It was nice for Doc to get back to you....

Though I don't see it being a big deal that they talked. It is only news because COLES made it news:rolleyes:

What is wrong with him talking to him??? Especially since it seems like everyone in the front office and coaching staff seems on the same page in regards to Coles.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Here we go... talking about it now.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Here we go....

Coach is saying he loves what Dan is doing....

[RDSKNfaithfull]

here we go

[skins0128]

Coach is blasting Coles right now.

Edit: Thought he was going to, just said Coles is there to follow directions.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Coach said you are there to follow direction....

Coles is judged on how well you follow the script...Gibbs is judged on how well the script is written

[bubba9497]

T^he sad part in all of this, Coles was one of the most respected players for his no nonsense toughness., but after he "quit" on the team, and all of his interviews since... has him coming off petty, selfish, and a jerk.. he has lost almost every bit of respect he earned.

Even wanting out.. he could have went about it in another way, and been professional.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by bubba9497

Even wanting out.. he could have went about it in another way, and been professional.

Exactly....

Coach said Coles needed to learn how to deal with it. He said he's tired of guys that feel like they should be able to change the system because of how much paid...

Coach said...Would Coles go in and tell Lombardi what to do?

:laugh:

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Doc just called Danny our GM:doh:

[DUSTINMFOX]

Al sure is being a little quiet

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Makes you think is Dan all buisness and neglecting to build relationships with people in the orginazation that is needed for long term success?

[pr11fan]

Agree with everything being said, even have to admit I cringed when i first read the story about Dan dealing with Coles and throwing threats around, let Gibbs handle the players. Dan needs to go count his money.

[DUSTINMFOX]

This is why I've always liked their show better than any other local sport talk...

Despite some thinking John Thompson is boring to listen, I normally agree with him 99% on all things...

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull
Makes you think is Dan all buisness and neglecting to build relationships with people in the orginazation that is needed for long term success?

How's that? Not me, we all agree Coles was being rediculous by not only wanting out, but also wanting more money from the Jets. That's what Snyder's threat was about, I don't see the problem.

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Gibbs is the one who hasn't made up with Coles. Dan seems to always smooth his burned bridges after the fact. Gibbs is known to hold a grudge.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

I just like listening to Doc, he's been there and done that at a high level and knows what it takes to be a winner. He doesn't sugar coat anything either. Which is what I like. He's a straight shooter.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


How's that? Not me, we all agree Coles was being rediculous by not only wanting out, but also wanting more money from the Jets. That's what Snyder's threat was about, I don't see the problem.

Did you listen? I was reffering to them not having a relationship at all before the Glenn Comment.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


Did you listen? I was reffering to them not having a relationship at all before the Glenn Comment.

Most people say he shouldn't deal with players at all. You think he should?

[skins0128]

Not sure about all this, Coles said he had two talks with Gibbs, but neither of them satisfied him.

Did he then go to Snyder, when he was not hearing what he wanted to from Gibbs?

[Buford]

another reason why we need a GM.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by skins0128
Not sure about all this, Coles said he had two talks with Gibbs, but neither of them satisfied him.

Did he then go to Snyder, when he was not hearing what he wanted to from Gibbs?

I'm pretty sure his conversation with Snyder only came when trade talks broke down with NY over Coles wanting a new deal.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


Most people say he shouldn't deal with players at all. You think he should?

If he is our GM which Doc just called him basicly yes.

I don't think he should be our GM though so in the long hall NO.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


Did you listen? I was reffering to them not having a relationship at all before the Glenn Comment.

They did and still do have a relationship...

Where you listening to the show. Doc referenced that the reason why Coles and Snyder reconciled was because Snyder overpaid to bring him here in the first place.... They've always had a realtionship

[skins0128]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


I'm pretty sure his conversation with Snyder only came when trade talks broke down with NY over Coles wanting a new deal.

Which is what I was thinking, so how is Snyder at fault here?

He wanted out, Gibbs said we would deal him...

Once an agreement was met, Coles squashed the deal. Then Snyder got involved.

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It was originally reported that Coles visited with Snyder and Cerrato first because he was brought in by those guys in the first place.

[skins0128]

Originally posted by bhayesp
It was originally reported that Coles visited with Snyder and Cerrato first because he was brought in by those guys in the first place.

That would make sense, since Coles has made all these comments about not signing on for this. As is playing for Gibbs.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


If he is our GM which Doc just called him basicly yes.

I don't think he should be our GM though so in the long hall NO.

Ok. I just disagree with Doc on that part. I think he took the conversation between Coles and Snyder out of context.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by skins0128


Which is what I was thinking, so how is Snyder at fault here?

He wanted out, Gibbs said we would deal him...

Once an agreement was met, Coles squashed the deal. Then Snyder got involved.

Yep, I like Snyder's involvement in this case. Hence, my new sig. :)

[DUSTINMFOX]

Who cares if he has a relationship w/players....there his employees.

This whole..."The owner shouldn't be involved at all in the day to day operations" is silly IMO....

How many jobs have you worked at where the owner will tour all of his stores or offices to shake hands and mingle....there's no difference between that and a owner like Jones or Blank being on the sidelines IMO.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


They did and still do have a relationship...

Where you listening to the show. Doc referenced that the reason why Coles and Snyder reconciled was because Snyder overpaid to bring him here in the first place.... They've always had a realtionship

Doc referred to their relationship being Money. Comprehension basically and investment and that is it.l

[skins0128]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


Yep, I like Snyder's involvement in this case. Hence, my new sig. :)

Well as in most "company's", if a subordinate goes "over the head" of his immediate surpervisor...


It is not looked upon favorably by management. That is how I see this scenario.

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Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX
....there's no difference between that and a owner like Jones or Blank being on the sidelines IMO.

I am soooo glad he isn't on the sidelines. I always hated Jones for that. I actually saw Blank talking to Vick on the sidelines in a tight game. I think it was the Saturday Night game against Carolina. On second thought, maybe his presence worked in that one...

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


Doc referred to their relationship being Money. Comprehension basically and investment and that is it.l

Yeah....Doc was saying perhaps that's why they reconciled. But, neither of us know what kind of relationship he has with players.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Was the whole discussion with Dan after Coles squashed the first trade?

I am sorry, but Dan is correct here. It doesn't matter what you signed up for, your ass is being paid quite a lot of money to be a part of the Washington Redskins.

Coles' whole attitude throughout this has really irked me and changed my opinion of him. I really did think he got a raw deal at FSU but now I am seeing why he has ruffled feathers everywhere

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX
Who cares if he has a relationship w/players....there his employees.

This whole..."The owner shouldn't be involved at all in the day to day operations" is silly IMO....

How many jobs have you worked at where the owner will tour all of his stores or offices to shake hands and mingle....there's no difference between that and a owner like Jones or Blank being on the sidelines IMO.

I agree to a point but he should not be making football decisions if he is not qualified. His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


Yeah....Doc was saying perhaps that's why they reconciled. But, neither of us know what kind of relationship he has with players.

True

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


I agree to a point but he should not be making football decisions if he is not qualified. His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

He is qualified....he has to be.... HE OWNS THE TEAM!!!

Every owner has to make some football decisons...coach, players, gm....etc.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

Hasn't he done this?

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


He is qualified....he has to be.... HE OWNS THE TEAM!!!

Every owner has to make some football decisons...coach, players, gm....etc.

He is qualified in Marketing etc. not football he is a fan like you and me who happens to be a little more succesfull financially. Im not positve on his history but of what I know he was a fan in the stands. He did not grown up in a family who was in the buisness.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


I agree to a point but he should not be making football decisions if he is not qualified. His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

I don't think it was a football decision, it was a business decision..... and I want Dan involved in that aspect because he's quite the proven businessman.



Originally posted by skins0128
[B]Well as in most "company's", if a subordinate goes "over the head" of his immediate surpervisor...

It is not looked upon favorably by management. That is how I see this scenario.

By this, you think Coles went to Snyder? In my opinion it was the other way around.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


He is qualified in Marketing etc. not football he is a fan like you and me who happens to be a little more succesfull financially. Im not positve on his history but of what I know he was a fan in the stands. He did not grown up in a family who was in the buisness.

And how many owners grew up in the business of running a football team?

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


Hasn't he done this?

I don't know and neither do you but if he is still making football decisions he does not have faith in somebody or he is just being egotisticall and having fun.

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


He is qualified in Marketing etc. not football he is a fan like you and me who happens to be a little more succesfull financially. Im not positve on his history but of what I know he was a fan in the stands. He did not grown up in a family who was in the buisness.

Didn't exactly help John Cooke... ;)

I think he's getting the right people around him now. It takes more than one season to tell, but I feel confident

Nick

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Technically isn't the Pats/Terry Glenn situation much more vindictive. Snyder ended up granting Coles wish and making up with the guy.

I'm sure Gibbs makes the decisions, but Snyder will always have a presence.

Skins owners have always been contoversial in some way or another.

Before the '91 season Cooke told Gibbs he needed more players like what Jimmy Johnson had in Dallas. Gibbs answered by going 14-2 on his way to his third title.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


And how many owners grew up in the business of running a football team?

A lot of owners inherit their teams. Dan is a fan and nobody questions his motives but the method to his madness if not wrong, deserves to at least be questioned every once in awhile:D

[riggins44]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


And how many owners grew up in the business of running a football team?

Bingo! The players have learned the games since youngsters.
There is no training or schools for those that want to be owners.
You kind of learn from the school of hard knocks.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


I don't know and neither do you but if he is still making football decisions he does not have faith in somebody or he is just being egotisticall and having fun.

Once again, it wasn't a football decision. He was trying to force Coles into the trade when he started demanding a new contract from the Jets.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well it sucks that we don't play the Jets until 2007 and that is NYC. I don't think they visit us till 2010 at the earliest.

Coles will be long gone from the Jets by 2007, he will feel disrespected by the end of the next season saying things like "this is not the same place that it used to be"

[skins0128]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


I don't think it was a football decision, it was a business decision..... and I want Dan involved in that aspect because he's quite the proven businessman.




By this, you think Coles went to Snyder? In my opinion it was the other way around.

It may have been, but it has been said it was Coles who went to Snyder and Cerrato, since they signed him.

Gibbs said he would do what he could, to get rid of the guys that did not want to be here.

The Redskins did this with Coles. Then he wanted a new deal, because he wanted to be released.

I think then Snyder was pissed, so he made the comments and played hardball.

Fine you want out, good, your gone. However, you will go onw OUR terms, not yours.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


I don't know and neither do you but if he is still making football decisions he does not have faith in somebody or he is just being egotisticall and having fun.

You don't think he has entrusted Gibbs' and gave him some authority to how the team is run?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I agree to a point but he should not be making football decisions if he is not qualified. His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

The thing is, he's the owner. The only person who gets a say in what he "should" be doing is him. You're more than welcome to disagree with it, but it's his right as the owner to make whatever decisions he wants.

[BIGGS_DADDY]

Originally posted by bhayesp
Before the '91 season Cooke told Gibbs he needed more players like what Jimmy Johnson had in Dallas. Gibbs answered by going 14-2 on his way to his third title. True, but in the long run Cooke was right.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by DUSTINMFOX


You don't think he has entrusted Gibbs' and gave him some authority to how the team is run?

No doubt he is learning and getting better but he still has a little way to go. Like I said though he does not trust somebody if he still wants to be involved in everyday football operations or he is just like me or you who think we have the answers for our favorite team:cool:

[DUSTINMFOX]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull


A lot of owners inherit their teams.


Your right, some do inherit their teams. But, I'd say the majority buy them straight up.

"Straight Cash Homey"

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins
I agree to a point but he should not be making football decisions if he is not qualified. His involvment should be to hire people he trust to be successfull.

The thing is, he's the owner. The only person who gets a say in what he "should" be doing is him. You're more than welcome to disagree with it, but it's his right as the owner to make whatever decisions he wants.

You are absoloutly right. We have no right to and opinon or question him. If he changed the name to the Washington Snyders would you still feel this way? (The last comment I made was ridiulous but it shows the princiaple)
:laugh:

[DUSTINMFOX]

Czaben and Pollin are actually kind of blasting Coles!!!

[DUSTINMFOX]

Czaben is pointing out that with the Jets Coles was in a RUN first offense...but, he went deep more. He said he thinks thats his main gripe...