Lavar and Sean Taylor

[LaVarIsDaMan]

at one point...these two guys are gonna need to be resigned...possibly making it near impossible to sign both of them...

if the situation came up..


would you go for the young stud whos destined to be one of the greatest

or

the proven pro-bowl linebacker with undeniable speed and strength that pretty much makes him an actual beast

[DUSTINMFOX]

Slow down homey...

We've got good threads on the board

I'll play anyways.....:D

[dfitzo53]

I hesitate to say Arrington is injury prone, but he has missed his share of games. If that continues/worsens, Taylor may be more worth the re-sign. However, LaVar's influence in the locker room is probably impossible to overestimate. They're both excellent players and I'd hate to lose either one of them.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Injury risk and behavior are key (a few years from now)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well by the time this situation comes up Lavar will be close to his 30s if not in his 30s.

Sean Taylor is under contract for 6 more years. He will probably have to re-structure in 2 or 3 years.

Lavar re-structured last year. We are ok with him for a while

[LaVarIsDaMan]

just a little anxious to talk to these people whos opinions ive been reading for a while

thanks for the advice tho

[LaVarIsDaMan]

true...

i would have to think lavar would end out his contract here...

he has to be one of the highest-paid linebackers in the league...

sean taylor will most likely restructure next year depending on injuries and stuff like that.

[DUSTINMFOX]

Welcome :cheers:

Advice....

Think before posting. Something I can't ever seem to do :D

[RedskinzOwnU]

i like lavar, but i don't see a need to resign him unless we need to restructure for cap room. I think he still has many years left on that contract. I'd be in favor of locking taylor up for his career. Safeties can make more of an impact as they get older anyway, just look at what rodney harrison did in the superbowl.

[JeffSchmeff]

Why will Taylor need to restructure soon on a rookie contract? It's more like he'll demand to be restructured with a new bonus after he proves he's one of the top in the league at his position. Lavar is entering the 2nd season of a new contract. Lets hope he can get that knee worked out.

[LaVarIsDaMan]

that's what i was tryin to say jeffschmeff...

if he has an all-pro season like i expect him too, he's gonna want to restructure his contract instead of making like 3 mil a year.

[Disco Dave]

Both

[Major Harris]

noooo, please don't make me choose between these two!

[rdsknbill]

I hope tha Taylor plays out his rookie contract. I've been a huge fan of Lavar since his Penn State days

Can't make that choice

[TXREDSKINS44]

That's a tough one!

[ciresolstice]

Taylor of the two.

[TheGreek1973]

I think we have a few years where we have to think about this unless STaylor has a monster year next year (very probable) where we need to do somthing with his contract. Don't forget however he is very young still so the Redskins are not in any hurry plus I believe his contract has many incentives where if he meets them then he stands to make huge money.

[Doozinbrah]

If I had to pick between the two, I'd say Taylor. That being said, I have watched LA play since he was at PSU and feel he is probably my second fav. all time Redskin behind Monk. But last year showed we could play without him and be dominant. Not saying he is not worth it but he could be replaced. I'm still not sure on Taylor though. If I had to pick based on attitude and personality I'd take LA. But based on ability to change a game at any given second, got to go with Taylor.

[GangstaSkinz]

Its to hard to tell right now, in five years i'd say choose taylor over arrington. arrington is older and has a had a few injuries. hopefully both will be skins for life.

[J33Edwards]

I think Lavar is a phenominal athlete but I question his football smarts...I would easily rather keep Taylor, its easier to plug a linebacker in to adequately replace Arrington.

[big z]

our D was awesome last year with Lavar on the sideline.....i gotta lot of love for #56, cuz he leaves it all on the field, but i'd lean toward taylor at this point....especially with washington in the fold and our CB situation being the mess that it is.....

[Mr. S]

Lavar is just as much a pure athlete as Taylor. Anyways, both guys are locked up on paper for 6 and 7 more years I believe. Taylor wont demand a huge contract, he will probably make the pro bowl next season, and his escalators would kick in hardcore. Plus, wasnt his signing bonus like 14 million? Thats a pretty good bonus on a rookie contract. Lavar has more fire as a redskin, he has openly talked about wanting to be a skin for life. Taylor has not yet. I personally see Taylor being a guy who will leave if the number varies by 1-2 million.

[triple6mafia]

sean taylor...arrington is amazing, but taylor is just too good

[Warhead36]

Taylor. I think he's got more football instinct than Arrington does.

Both will be Skins for Life. :)

[JonBlaze]

Taylor has best ever type potential. Arrington doesn't.

[asnpcwiz]

Can't deny the man that put Aikman out of business...Lavar is the man.

[LaVarIsDaMan]

whoa, when i started this poll i thought it would be split around 50-50 or at the most 60-40....


where is the love for our best defensive player for the past 5 years??

sean taylor is a beast...can not argue that for a second...

but LAVAR ARRINGTON?!?!?

c'mon people...when we drafted lavar, he had 10 times the hype that sean taylor came out with...

the guys only 27...as far as i see it, lavar still has 7 or 8 good, if not great, years of football left





(can you tell i voted for lavar?)

[JonBlaze]

Lavar is great, but your question asked who would you resign. Age/health becomes a factor in that and Taylor has both over Lavar. Lavar's next contract would also be INSANE when you consider how much he makes already. Taylor will break the bank, Lavar would buy the bank and then tear it down and build a new one.

[ohioskinfan]

i think the true evaluation should come out after this season. taylor will no longer be the rookie, and lavar finally gets to play weak side lb (his position).
this years gonna be fun watching these two

[skin_finatic]

My Main Man Taylor!

[canesluver]

Maybe now that we are acting like a fiscally sound franchise, neither will be a future problem

[demarc007]

Lavar is awesome and I can't wait to see him finally roam free this year BUT Sean Taylor is a STUD SUPREME. I can't even imagine how this guy is going to create havoc having a full year under his belt and playing off instinct instead of thinking about his assignments. Oh my GOD, Taylor better be a Skin for life just like B. Dawk and Roy will be with their respective teams for life.

[jnova]

im just gonna take a guess when i see this site is that arrington will be an old man when taylor is done his current contract plus arrington has got an 8 year 80 million dollar contract taylor has a 6year contract. i mean when taylors done arrington will still have 2 years

[God Help Me, I'm in Texas]

Sean Taylor.
Not only has he been mentioned as perhaps maybe the best pure talent at safety ever to come out of college but as a team the neccesity of us having to guard people like Jeremy Shockey, Terrell Owens and Jason Witten 6 times a year makes him, i think, more vital to this team tomorrow then Lavar. I love Lavar, but I'd go with ST.

[FBChick]

I think that's the whole issue with this poll. It's so far down the road and so much can happen between now and then.

If both HAD to be resigned say next year? I'd probably go with Arrington, as he brings as much off the field as on and that can honestly make a bigger difference from a team stand point then the skills alone brought by Taylor.

But if we are looking at the realistic future of say 4-6 years when contracts may have to possibly restructured. I'd say I would lean towards Taylor, if he manages to mature quite a bit more into a leadership role. He is younger and just see his contributions back in Safety are much harder to scheme around then say an OLB would be.

[budski]

Heres the real problem they way these guys hit, they are going to collide and knock each other out and miss 3 games.

[Shotgunner]

Have'nt we got enough things to think about? These guys are under contract and playing together this year. Let's enjoy them in tandem rocking opposing offenses. :notworthy

[cphil006]

That issue doesn;t need tot be addressed for 6 more years. Taylor will be 27, LaVar will be 33. Is it obvious yet?

[LightenupSandyBaby]

Although they are both a Beast in the open field...Sean seems to have a little better intuition in deciding when to gamble and when not to.

[ERIC THE REDskinsfan]

BOTH

[dfbovey]

I just can't wait to see them both healthy and on the field together for once. Taylor didn't start the first game and Arrington was pretty much injured the rest of the season.

Both of those guys with Marcus Washington thrown in the mix...

it's the Triangle of Terror.

[DonMagicJuan]

how about BOTH!

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by J33Edwards
I think Lavar is a phenominal athlete but I question his football smarts...I would easily rather keep Taylor, its easier to plug a linebacker in to adequately replace Arrington.


To be fair to LA, we haven't really seen him play in GWill's defense for very long. It could turn out that he's capable of 15+ sacks with the way GWill blitzes! Football smarts has always been the knock on Lavar, that he overpursues, etc., but the plays he does make are huge and can be game changing/saving (such as the tackle on Curtis Martin behind the line of scrimmage in the first game of the 2003 season). Taylor is still potential at this point. He played well last season, and the consensus is that he's only going to get better, but that is all conjecture at this point. There's always the possiblity that he has plateaued (hopefully not!)

[illone]

We'll find a way to keep them so long as they want to stay here (god forbid)

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by jnova
im just gonna take a guess when i see this site is that arrington will be an old man when taylor is done his current contract plus arrington has got an 8 year 80 million dollar contract taylor has a 6year contract. i mean when taylors done arrington will still have 2 years


You're assuming Taylor will play out his full rookie contract. If you can name one top 10 pick in the last 5 years that has played through his entire rookie contract (without restructuring) who was not a bust (actually played like a top 10), I'll buy you a coke.

[Dan T.]

Related question. . . Who wins in a training camp fight between those two?

[PapaDRoc]

Originally posted by Dan T.
Related question. . . Who wins in a training camp fight between those two?

Lavar- 6'3 253lbs.
Taylor- 6'2 231lbs.

Lavar would win. Its kinda scary how Taylor is only 20 lbs less than one of the elite linebackers in the league.

[Jody]

Taylor could play LB.

He'd probably be pretty good too.

[PapaDRoc]

Originally posted by Jody
Taylor could play LB.

He'd probably be pretty good too.

Yea, no doubt. He's fast as s*** too...

I love him... In fact, since I need to replace my white Coles jersey, I think I am going to get a white Taylor jersey...

I already have Arrington in burgundy :D

[seanyt]

Originally posted by dviands
noooo, please don't make me choose between these two!
Exactly, hopefully it wont come to that. Keep their contracts staggered and hope for the best so your not cranking out the heavy juice all in the same offseason...

[fredskinz]

Both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[STaylorLayintheWOOD]

we will most likely have to give taylor a new contract before his rookie one expires which i dont think will be a problem. i just hope lavar gets healthy and we can have both of them on the field at the same time. Lavar + Taylor = redskins 4 life

[SkinsChick36]

I'm pretty sure Snyder would find a way to sign both of these super stars. In the mean time they are both under contract for a little while...the Skins have bigger fish to fry right now.

http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/EACFFOGIKIIP/TaylorGetty2PG.jpg

[GIBBSisGOD]

I can't imagine our team without one or the other. I'd like to think that we'd MAKE room for them because it would be really tough without these guys.

[roboas]

Lavar has to stay because he's in the Eastern Motors ad

[Chris Worthy]

Originally posted by roboas
Lavar has to stay because he's in the Eastern Motors ad

"Now stay Down Punk!!!!!":laugh:

[WM_Marylander]

I'd probably guess that in 5 years when their contracts are up, I'd want to sign Taylor more. Largely just based upon age, and hopefully ability to replace a LB more easily than a top Safety.

However, if they both needed new deals tomorrow, I'd go for Lavar. Taylor looked awful good this past year, and we didn't need Lavar, but... you'd be paying for potential instead of production. And you can't do that too often and get away with it.


A bigger problem I think is Taylor's feeling like he's being underpaid already by looking at his contract numbers before season 1 was even done. I have a bad feeling he's going to want to test the market once his deal is over. Unless the Skins franchise him (a decent probability) or pay him top dollar in an extension.

[cphil006]

Originally posted by JeffSchmeff
Why will Taylor need to restructure soon on a rookie contract? It's more like he'll demand to be restructured with a new bonus after he proves he's one of the top in the league at his position. Lavar is entering the 2nd season of a new contract. Lets hope he can get that knee worked out.

He wouldn't have much leverage to renegotiate because he is already the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL.

[Warhead36]

When Taylor's contract is up he's going to be worth the most money ever for a FS and maybe even a DB.

We have both. Lets be happy. They will dominate for years. :)

[Boy2Der]

If they don't get us a Super Bowl by the times there contracts are up I say let one or both go unless are defense is in the top ten or around the top ten in the league every year.

[beastman]

Lavar will be on this team for his career. Danny won't let him get away.

[jpark]

Originally posted by LaVarIsDaMan

the proven pro-bowl linebacker with undeniable speed and strength that pretty much makes him an actual beast

Proven??? You wont hear me say much negative about anything Skins related, but here I go...

You won't hear me say that LaVar is bad or anything like that, but he is overrated. I love the guy. He has tons of potential and he could be dominant in this league. However, I would not go so far to say that he is a proven Pro Bowl LB or an actual beast. He has tons of physical ability, but the only thing he has PROVEN is that he is yet to live up to his potential.

If I had to choose between the two, give me Sean Taylor, especially in Gregg Williams' system.

[KingdomBankcard]

I don't know how many people have seen Sean in person. But let me tell you he is a freak. He looks like a linebacker, he's looks bigger than Lavar, partially because of height. I don't remember his exact measurements.

If you study how Williams uses him, I believe as a player he was most responsible for the improvement of the defense and hears why.

He played three positions last year depending upon the offensive personel. He played linebacker, Safety and Cornerback. I was waiting for him to line up at end with a hand on the ground.

He play man on TO and distroyed him at home last year, he outjumped Moss in the endzone and out hung him by double tapping the ball away, three yards in front of me, It was mind blowing you should have seen the look on Mosses face. He couldn't believe.

Physically he is the most complete defensive football player I pesonally have ever seen. He literally could play any position on defense outside of tackle. Maybe he could play tackle he's tough enough.

I kept thinking last year they need to put him as a receiver and throw jump balls in the endzone, no one could defend him.

When he grows up a bit and the mental stuff becomes second nature, I believe he will be the most dominating defensive player in the League. I also believe if he played receiver he would be number one.

[SilentSkin]

I really like both Tayor and Arrington's game.

However, they both have many things to learn.

I wish Arrington would learn how to rush the QB from a DE stance.
It seems that he just has one move. He would be so much more valuable if he learned a little more of that.

Sean Taylor needs to learn how to time blitzes. Why didn't we se him blitz a lot, it's because there were many times when he would have horrible timing and just be eaten up by the blocks. Either that or he was 10 yards away from the QB (running towards the qb) since the timing was off. Bowens seems to have this part down.

Anyhow, I never liked Taylor blitzing b/c he seemed like a long strider, not in the mold of E.Reed in that case.


---------

I digress.. if I could only sign one, then I would sign Taylor.

We saw what our defense did w/o Arrington.

You could see how our scheming changed a whole lot when Taylor was out against the Packers. That and how awful our pass coverage was in the first half.

I choose YOU, S.Taylor.

[skinsfan51]

Originally posted by LaVarIsDaMan
at one point...these two guys are gonna need to be resigned...possibly making it near impossible to sign both of them...

if the situation came up..


would you go for the young stud whos destined to be one of the greatest

or

the proven pro-bowl linebacker with undeniable speed and strength that pretty much makes him an actual beast

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I don't think Lavar is a "proven pro-bowl linebacker." What has he proven? Yes, he has the speed and strength--which equates into POTENTIAL--but I have not seen him rise to the status of a Derrick Brooks or Ray Lewis. He's talked about in that way, and when he's played against teams fear him (because of what they perceive him to be), but I don't see him as a consistent superstar NFL LB yet. Every year it's, "Well, we'll see if the coaches can get Lavar to play to his potential." (And to his credit he's had a lot of coaches to deal with, so that can hinder a person.) Hopefully this year he'll really have that "break-out" season. I'm all for it. If he stays healthy there are no more excuses.

BTW, I didn't vote because right now I'm even sure I want Sean Taylor to be a Redskin this year, let alone future years. He's dissed our coach and I take offense at that. He's not a team player. I hope the 'Skins don't bow to him and give him anything. Tell him to play or sit out, and move on. There is a time for toughness, and this is one of those times.

[AJWatson3]

while i've got mad love for both players Taylor is the one who is gonna dominate games and revolutionize his position... and he doesn't have a history of injury problems.

[tbonetimay]

kingdom, good point about his freakishness, he does look and play like a predator out there. For what they did last year, I would rather, if held by gunpoint stay with taylor, than LA.

I think we could fill in the LA spot if needed, and not see huge letdowns. To me this is a monster year, and opportunity for LA, and taylor. Lets just hope their additudes/ egos' do not get too in the way, Joe gibbs doesn't deserve that kind of disrespect. Every team has showed a lot of complaining, moaning, and groaning this year to the point where it is almost expected that the stars will gripe about redoing their contracts and the like.

Sorry, I got off the subject, just how I see it.....

Bowen, Taylor, and springs, and the rookie make a solid secondary. To me the LB position is more injury laden as of right now which makes this a close call. Even so, I go with taylor right now.

For my moneys worth, the players that most impressed me on the defense last year was springs, and washington, (third was pierce and s. taylor).

[DJCrash34]

I like both players and think they are or will be terrific players. But if I gotta pick one, I'd have to say Lavar, been a fan of his for years since PSU. He's a great leader, and doesn't have the off the field issues of Taylor. But hopefully we'll be able to keep both without it being a problem.

[red zone]

Can't we live in the moment or at least the near future? Besides I don't see them as mutually exclusive. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed?

[REEGSKINS]

we could just franchise taylor every year cause the the top 5 safety's wont hurt our pocket too much.

[Doctorfro]

Lavar makes me anxious and mad all at the same time. We know the potential but he has yet to reach it for any length of time. And don't get me started on his whining about who cares about him or how the skins screwed him on his contract. If he didn't like the contract he shouldn't have signed it.

Sean has a streetball attitude and he makes me sick. He needs to play ball and if he leads this team to a #1 defensive ranking or deep in the playoffs then we can talk more money. He's just a snot nosed brat.

If they aren't happy here, let em go elsewhere.
:logo:

[Walking Deadman]

Arrington,
much like Samuels will probably be here until he retires or is cut.

Taylor,
Will play out his contract and probably go somewhere else looking for "Champ Bailey" money.

[Shotgunner]

GW did well without LA last season. We need Taylor for the future.:D