(merged) Bonds out for the Season?

[skinzfan4life]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57111-2005Mar22.html

Its looks like he is still having knee trouble and might be out...

personally, i dont like him and dont want him to break the record...but it would have been nice to see him play...if not just for the fact that it would be interesting to see if his output decreased...to provide some steam to the steriod "myth"

[Oldskool]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2018994

I find it funny that there is going to be random drug testing this year, everyone is waiting with baited breath for Bonds to be tested, Bonds goes under the knife for a pretty minor procedure and now may not play for a full year. How long does it take for HGH and steroids to leave your system anyhow?

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Bonds on missing the season: 'Maybe'ESPN.com news services


A dejected Barry Bonds said Tuesday there's a chance he might not return this season because of multiple knee surgeries.


Bonds


"Right now I'm just going to try to rehab myself to get back to, I don't know, hopefully next season, hopefully the middle of the season. I don't know. Right now I'm just going to take things slow. I feel bad for the guys [Giants teammates] because I want to be out there for them," he said Tuesday after meeting with San Francisco Giants trainer Stan Conte for 1½ hours.

"I'm 40 years old, not 20, 30."

When asked directly if he said he might not be back until midseason or next season, Bonds answered, "Maybe. I told you that before I left, remember? You thought I was joking."

The seven-time NL MVP, who returned to spring camp on crutches Tuesday following last week's surgery, made his remarks while sitting at a picnic table outside the Giants' clubhouse with his 15-year-old son, Nikolai, at his side.

While Bonds was defiant and confrontational during his first press conference of the spring on Feb. 22, he was despondent Tuesday, using the word "tired" 14 times during his approximate 10-minute session.

“ You wanted me to jump off the bridge, I finally have jumped. You wanted the bring me down, you've finally brought me and my family down. Finally done it. From everybody, all of you. So now go pick a different person. ”
— Barry Bonds

"I really don't have much to say anymore," Bonds said. "My son and I just going to enjoy life. My family's tired. You guys [the media] wanted to hurt me bad enough, you finally got there.

"You wanted me to jump off the bridge, I finally have jumped. You wanted to bring me down, you've finally brought me and my family down. Finally done it. From everybody, all of you. So now go pick a different person. I'm done. Do the best I can, that's about it."

When asked if there was something specific he was talking about, Bonds said, "Inner hurt, physical, mentally. Done. I'm mentally drained. I'm tired of my kids crying. Tired."

Bonds originally underwent knee surgery on Jan. 31. Four days later he accidentally hit his knee on a table at SBC Park in San Francisco and the knee had periods of swelling. An MRI last week revealed further tears in the knee.

Conte said there was no way of knowing whether the incident on Feb. 4 caused further damage.

"And we don't care," Conte said. "We're starting with a clean slate. We'll try to get it right."

Bonds begins the season third on the career homers list with 703, trailing Babe Ruth (714) and Hank Aaron (755).

Last September, the Giants dropped a provision that would have allowed them to void Bonds' $18 million salary in 2006 if he failed to reach 500 plate appearances this year or 1,500 combined from 2003 to 2005, including at least 400 this year.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report

[ntotoro]

If he does come back next year, how much you wanna' be he'll be about 30lbs lighter... ;)

Nick

[Monte51Coleman]

"You wanted me to jump off a bridge, I finally did," Bonds said. "You finally brought me and my family down. ... So now go pick a different person."

Waaaaaaa.

[NoCalMike]

How dare he blame the media for "my kids are always crying" yeah Barry, maybe they are crying because you cheated on your wife, and that you are a cheater....

[The Evil Genius]

The only thing that so far has kept Bonds production down is the unwillingness of other teams to pitch to him.

Juiced or not juiced, he is the greatest baseball player of most of our generation. Ironically, Bonds will tell you his godfather was better.

[TSmithTheReal#36]

I'm gladand I hope he never plays again. He doesn't derserve to pass Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron.
Bonds=:puke:

[Zen-like Todd]

Yeah right... total "coincidence" that his body breaks down. Just like Giambi's body coincidentally broke down. What shmucks.

:rolleyes:

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by ntotoro
If he does come back next year, how much you wanna' be he'll be about 30lbs lighter... ;)

Nick

Not unless they start testing for HGH - which is unlikely since it requires a blood test and not the standard urine test.

Its HGH (not the typical steroids) that Bonds is alleged to have used.

[NoCalMike]

Originally posted by T.E.G.
The only thing that so far has kept Bonds production down is the unwillingness of other teams to pitch to him.

Juiced or not juiced, he is the greatest baseball player of most of our generation. Ironically, Bonds will tell you his godfather was better.

He was definately one of the best ALL-AROUND players, without the juice, but he was definately NOT the best homerun hitter in the league, not even close btw, until he roided up.

[manichispanic]

A wise man once said, "2 is not a winner, and 3 no one remembers."

If he's at the #1 spot, he'll hear steroids till he dies, and his kids will hear it until they die. AT #3 all time, its not as glamourous as #1, and wont get as much media attention if he hasnt past the 2 greatest hr hitters of all time.

[Hooper]

Someone serve this guy a warm glass of the Shut the F--K Up. He has no one to blame for his problems but himself.

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by NoCalMike


He was definately one of the best ALL-AROUND players, without the juice, but he was definately NOT the best homerun hitter in the league, not even close btw, until he roided up.

In what year are you suggesting he roided up? The year he hit 73?

[skinzfan4life]

TEG - if it turns out he is or was on the juice, then there is no way that he can be the best of our generation.

[36SKINS56]

Well that is one way of getting out of drug testing

[Predicto]

Originally posted by skinzfan4life
TEG - if it turns out he is or was on the juice, then there is no way that he can be the best of our generation.


Everyone of consequence in our generation was on the juice, or on something. Everyone. You are naive if you think otherwise.

[portisizzle]

:jump:

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by skinzfan4life
TEG - if it turns out he is or was on the juice, then there is no way that he can be the best of our generation.

Agreed. But, so far, there is no actual proof - only he said/she said allegations.


Which, to me, is unfair.

Bonds is, no doubt, a 100% a-hole. That doesn't implicate him though.


edit...yay 5000 posts finally!

[Fred Jones]

He also doesn't have to play to get paid. SF still owes him his contract. What a crybaby.

[portisizzle]

:jump:

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by T.E.G.


Agreed. But, so far, there is no actual proof - only he said/she said allegations.


Which, to me, is unfair.

Bonds is, no doubt, a 100% a-hole. That doesn't implicate him though.


edit...yay 5000 posts finally!

You are correct, i guess at the same time there is no more evidence for him then most of the other accused....

I just dont like him and would like to see him not get the record becuase he has no respect for the game of baseball.:2cents:

[Bugs']

It's about as much of a coincidence as his head blowing up to the size of a ripe mellon....

I used to be a huge baseball fan...and the steroids crap ruined it for me....it is dark times...:(

[The Evil Genius]

I disagree - imho, it's the teams that walk him rather than pitch to him that have no respect for the game of baseball.

[SonnyRules]

Originally posted by Bugs'
It's about as much of a coincidence as his head blowing up to the size of a ripe mellon....

I used to be a huge baseball fan...and the steroids crap ruined it for me....it is dark times...:(

The last strike did it for me, but I agree with you...time to get rid of my McGuire rookie card.

[skinzfan4life]

This does not bother me one bit, for someone to have as much disrespect for the game as him, he shouldnt get to pass Babe and Hank. And if it turns out he took steriods he should be banned from the Hall and the game....and at the same applies to everyone else who took them.

[codeorama]

I personally hope he never plays another game and proof comes out that he is/was a steroid user so there's no argument.
Based on some of the rumors that he is the target of the Balco investigation, I have a good feeling that Bonds is going down and will be proven to be a cheater.

[Buford]

Originally posted by T.E.G.
I disagree - imho, it's the teams that walk him rather than pitch to him that have no respect for the game of baseball.

its one of those rules I hate, like fouling on purpose at the end of basketball games.

But, Something sure seems that going on with Bonds. Something shady.

If the truth comes out, I guess we'll all see.

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by T.E.G.
I disagree - imho, it's the teams that walk him rather than pitch to him that have no respect for the game of baseball.

To me that is not disrespect, it might be them over utilizing a rule but not disrespect. Its disrespecting how Bonds seems to try and discredit Babe Ruth. Thats disrespect, considering the Babe was arguably one of if not the greatest ball player ever.

[skinzfan4life]

I think there is something shady as well...if he wanted to be seen as innocent, he should have tried his hardest to be allowed at the congressional hearing, I understand whats going on with Balco and all but if he fights to be there so he can say, NO i did not take steriods, he looks good.

[RonJeremy]

Bonds is "tired"? He must need some more HGH or 'roids! :mad:

Whole thing is a joke!

[Predicto]

People love to hate Bonds. He is a jerk.

But he does respect the game of baseball. If he was just obsessed with homerun records, he would swing at every close pitch to try to jack a few more out, like a Sosa or Vlad Guerrero, rather than take the base on balls for the good of the team. He has carried mediocre Giants teams to contention for a dozen years.

He is a jerk, but steroids or not, he is the best player of modern times. Other players recognize this, even though many cannot stand him. Baseball writers recognize this, even though they despise him. Opposing managers recaognize this - that is why they will not pitch to him.

[Mufumonk]

Originally posted by T.E.G.
I disagree - imho, it's the teams that walk him rather than pitch to him that have no respect for the game of baseball.

Teams would be more willing to pitch to him if he wasn't standing up there with a full suit of armor on while crowding the plate.

[Predicto]

He doesn't have a full suit of armor. He has a guard over his elbow, which has been injured by pitches before. If you want to hit him in the ass or back, or whatever, you still can do it. Go ahead - he will just rub the bruise and take the base.

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by Mufumonk


Teams would be more willing to pitch to him if he wasn't standing up there with a full suit of armor on while crowding the plate.

Sure they would. Sure they would...its his armor that keeps them from pitching to him.

Sure.

:doh:

[Mufumonk]

Originally posted by T.E.G.


In what year are you suggesting he roided up? The year he hit 73?

I'm guessing he started in the offseason following '93.

[Mufumonk]

Originally posted by T.E.G.


Sure they would. Sure they would...its his armor that keeps them from pitching to him.

Sure.

:doh:

He completely takes away the inside of the plate. He crowds while knowing if he gets hit, he's going to take it on a piece of thick plastic so he has no fear of injury. Personally, rather than give him free passes, I'd just come in under his chin every pitch till he either a. backed off the plate, or b. took one in the earhole. One way or the other, the point gets across.

[Predicto]

You know what. Those people that wear batting helmets are just cowards too. If they had any balls, they wouldn't need em.

[TheDoyler23]

Originally posted by Predicto
You know what. Those people that wear batting helmets are just cowards too. If they had any balls, they wouldn't need em.

The helmet is a safety precaution, but those huge arm plates are just a means to stand in closer to the plate.

Brady Anderson led the league for a few years in being hit becuase if they threw to him inside, he would just stick his arm out and get popped on his elbow.

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by Predicto
People love to hate Bonds. He is a jerk.

But he does respect the game of baseball. If he was just obsessed with homerun records, he would swing at every close pitch to try to jack a few more out, like a Sosa or Vlad Guerrero, rather than take the base on balls for the good of the team. He has carried mediocre Giants teams to contention for a dozen years.

He is a jerk, but steroids or not, he is the best player of modern times. Other players recognize this, even though many cannot stand him. Baseball writers recognize this, even though they despise him. Opposing managers recaognize this - that is why they will not pitch to him.

Before i dispute this or try and make myself look foolish, what do you consider modern times? How far back?

I agree he is good and has a great eye. But if he didnt hit the homeruns no one would say he is great. So if he IS on steriods, then the homeruns become BS, and he just becomes another good ballplayer.

There is no way anyone would call him great if he didnt hit 50 dingers a year.

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by skinzfan4life


Before i dispute this or try and make myself look foolish, what do you consider modern times? How far back?

I agree he is good and has a great eye. But if he didnt hit the homeruns no one would say he is great. So if he IS on steriods, then the homeruns become BS, and he just becomes another good ballplayer.

There is no way anyone would call him great if he didnt hit 50 dingers a year.

Here's the thing - Bonds has hit 50+ homers exactly one time in his career.

Was he using HGH back in 1993 when he hit 46 homers? I mean, its over his career average of 35 homers per year.

[Predicto]

Originally posted by skinzfan4life


Before i dispute this or try and make myself look foolish, what do you consider modern times? How far back?

I agree he is good and has a great eye. But if he didnt hit the homeruns no one would say he is great. So if he IS on steriods, then the homeruns become BS, and he just becomes another good ballplayer.

There is no way anyone would call him great if he didnt hit 50 dingers a year.


Modern times to me is the past 30-40 years or so.

He has only hit over 50 homers one time in his career.

He was league MVP seven times (and he should have 9 - neither Pendleton nor Kent deserved theirs). He is a Thirteen time All Star.

Offessively - Besides the obvious slugging and home runs, Bonds led the league in onbase percentage nine times and broke all season and career records for walks and intentional walks. This was while playing half his games in noted pitcher's parks - Candlestick and Pac Bell.

Fielding - He has 8 Gold Gloves.

Baserunning - He has 500 steals.

What else is there?

[SkinFaninOKC]

A radio talk show guy who just happens to be a former major league player, Jim Traber, made an interesting theory.

Bonds is in this predicament because he didn't listen to his trainers and now he HAS to take time off to rehab. He has stated that it will be MIDSEASON OR NEXT SEASON before he returns. He dodged the media better than McGwire dodged Congress.

That being said I believe Traber was saying he would go into a type of hiding. After the hiding he would have lost some weight and attribute the hiding to his weight loss. Then he would be clean dodging the steroid testing.

If you ask me Bonds is going to retire THIS SEASON and not even try and pass Ruth.

[capitolpunishment]

I usually don't post alot and dont follow baseball, but Bonds is a disgrace to all sports and a waste of a human being. He makes me so SICK!! POOR ME? What a joke! The reporters are a joke not to harass him after the comments he made. No steroids=No Homeruns , of course he's out for the season!

[HeHateMe]

It will be a great day when he retires short of the record.

[36SKINS56]

well looks like that loser found a way to dodge drug tests...what a pansy...out for about half the season..maybe not back til next season...he said in the interivew about the knee that his son will sit next to him in interviews now so the media can see the pain they are causing his family...i wish there was a smiley of me kicking him in his steroidily enlargened face but this will do



:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :whippin: :whippin: :pooh: :pooh: :shot: :shot:


..he said that hes tired and his family is tired...well i guess thats a side effect of kicking the drugs...as is his knee failing. GOD I HATE BARRY BONDS

[Oldskool]

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96318

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by Predicto



Modern times to me is the past 30-40 years or so.

He has only hit over 50 homers one time in his career.

He was league MVP seven times (and he should have 9 - neither Pendleton nor Kent deserved theirs). He is a Thirteen time All Star.

Offessively - Besides the obvious slugging and home runs, Bonds led the league in onbase percentage nine times and broke all season and career records for walks and intentional walks. This was while playing half his games in noted pitcher's parks - Candlestick and Pac Bell.

Fielding - He has 8 Gold Gloves.

Baserunning - He has 500 steals.

What else is there?

I agree with some of this....

The offensive stuff such as walks and stuff though can not be considered a seperate argument, that ties into the home runs, so (and again i know this is all based upon the assumption of enhancement drugs) you take the homers away, and he doesnt get those walks...i give him the steals and the fielding, but if he was taking steriods and only hitting 30 -40 home runs a season, he would not be viewed as the greatest player of this modern generation.

I just think that while he is good he gets over hyped, and if he is proven to have taken steriods then that can weight on all of the things that make him considered the greatest of this generation. If it is shown that he has not taken steriods then i will cringe but have to give him the credit he is due.

But i reserve judgement, and if it can not be proved either way that he did or did not take steriods, there will always be a cloud over his head, and the argument of his place in history will always say well what if he was on steriods and the reverse argument will be what if he wasnt on steriods. And its hard to believe that its just a coincedence that he all the sudden is out when all of this came about.

[Waleo32]

Barry used something that is probably true, but the media killed this man really. His Dad died a couple of years ago, and he's really not over it. This man hasn't really had time to grieve. I'm surprised he didn't breakdown sooner.

[Predicto]

Originally posted by skinzfan4life


I agree with some of this....

The offensive stuff such as walks and stuff though can not be considered a seperate argument, that ties into the home runs, so (and again i know this is all based upon the assumption of enhancement drugs) you take the homers away, and he doesnt get those walks...i give him the steals and the fielding, but if he was taking steriods and only hitting 30 -40 home runs a season, he would not be viewed as the greatest player of this modern generation.

I just think that while he is good he gets over hyped, and if he is proven to have taken steriods then that can weight on all of the things that make him considered the greatest of this generation. If it is shown that he has not taken steriods then i will cringe but have to give him the credit he is due.

But i reserve judgement, and if it can not be proved either way that he did or did not take steriods, there will always be a cloud over his head, and the argument of his place in history will always say well what if he was on steriods and the reverse argument will be what if he wasnt on steriods. And its hard to believe that its just a coincedence that he all the sudden is out when all of this came about.



Try this then. Who in the past 30-40 years has been better all around? Who has been close? Junior Griffey, who got his inflated stats playing in a tiny bandbox in Seattle? Anyone? And of those people, if you can think of any, which do you know with certainty did not use any performance enhancers of any type?

There's a reason Bonds has 7 MVPs, and it isn't because people like him, believe me.

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by Predicto




Try this then. Who in the past 30-40 years has been better all around? Who has been close? Junior Griffey, who got his inflated stats playing in a tiny bandbox in Seattle? Anyone? And of those people, if you can think of any, which do you know with certainty did not use any performance enhancers of any type?

There's a reason Bonds has 7 MVPs, and it isn't because people like him, believe me.

He does not have 7 MVP's because people like him, people dont vote, he has it because media likes him. I would guess more people dislike him then like him.

I can not name anyone who is better all around, but if it turns out that he took drugs of some sort to make him stronger, then you can say he has been the best all around, because his numbers have been inflated.

Like i said if it turns out he becomes innocent, then that statement that he is the greatest of this era is 100% true, but until he is found to be 100% innocent that statement can not be made because there is always going to be doubts in everyones mind that he took something.

[Predicto]

the Media hates him. If the media liked him he would have 9 MVPs, not 7.

[rdsknbill]

Don't get me started on this crap.

Baseball is dead to me. I haven't been to a game since the last strike, except for Cal Ripken jr.'s last game.

Barry Bonds cheated. plain and simple. This whole "my knee hurts too bad." and the "You media guys have been mean to me" is a load of $hit.

Cry me a river Barry. :mad:

[skinzfan4life]

Originally posted by Predicto
the Media hates him. If the media liked him he would have 9 MVPs, not 7.

Well most people hate him, so it seems that he is SOL. And the reason he is disliked is because of how he acts and how he treats others and his attitude that makes him seem like he thinks he is bigger then the game.

[Cdowwe]

I think hes waiting til what he hopes is the time the roids are out of his system

[Predicto]

Nah. They are long out of his system by now. Now that the heat is on, no one but maybe rookies trying to make the bigs are using steroids anymore.

[skinzfan4life]

I agree, he isnt stupid enough to continue to take them, and to be honest i know there will be players that do but if any player is at this point they SHOULD be suspended.

[The Evil Genius]

Again, Bonds was alleged to have used HGH - which would be undetectable in the urine tests that MLB uses.

He could still be using it (provided he did use it to begin with) - but I think he would be tempting fate to do so.