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bubba9497
April-3rd-2005, 03:51 AM
Redskins' D could use influx of youth

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2026936&type=story

Inside Linebacker

Unrestricted free agent Antonio Pierce signed with the Giants, and there doesn't appear to be a player on the roster ready to replace him. Although Mike Barrow has excellent experience and plays with great intensity, knee problems forced him to miss all of last year and he has lost a step with age.

Brandon Barnes, who is currently listed as the backup, signed with Washington as an undrafted rookie free agent last year and will likely never develop into an every-down player. With that in mind, expect the Redskins to use an early-round pick on a linebacker who has the natural ability to push for playing time this year.

Florida's Channing Crowder, Georgia's Odell Thurman and Oklahoma's Lance Mitchell are three of the best interior linebackers available in this year's draft. Washington may choose to fill this need by moving Lemar Marshall inside. If it takes this approach, depth will need to be added on the outside.

Defensive end

Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams blitzes frequently, so getting pressure from his defensive ends isn't as important as it is for some other teams. That said, adding a defensive end who can consistently get to the quarterback would give Williams more freedom in his play calling.

With RDE Phillip Daniels turning 32 during the offseason and coming off a season-ending wrist injury, now would be a good time for Washington to add a playmaker here. Iowa's Matt Roth and Notre Dame's Justin Tuck possesses outstanding quickness and the athletic ability to make some plays in the backfield.

In addition, don't be surprised to see the Redskins sign or use a late-round pick on an end even if they draft one early, as Renaldo Wynn turns 31 this year.

Cornerback

Shawn Springs returns as the starter on one side, but unrestricted free agent Fred Smoot signed with Minnesota. While Walt Harris has excellent starting experience, he gives up more big plays than he makes when he's asked to line up on the outside and is a much better fit at nickel back.

There is also a glaring lack of depth here, as none of the cornerbacks on Washington's roster appear ready to compete for the nickel back role if Harris has to start. The Redskins should use a first-day pick on a corner who can push Harris for playing time such as Florida State's Bryant McFadden.

Defensive tackle

Washington has re-signed Joe Salave'a, who is a high-motor player who should provide excellent depth behind starters Brandon Noble and Cornelius Griffin. However, Noble turns 31 and Salave'a turns 30 during the offseason, so look for the Redskins to infuse some youth and depth here.

Strong safety

This may not appear to be a need at first. Matt Bowen, who started the first five games of the season last year, is expected to return from a season-ending injury, and Washington signed Pierson Prioleau to improve the depth behind him. Prioleau played under Williams while the two were in Buffalo together and should make a smooth transition.

It's also worth noting that Williams frequently rotated his safeties last year and could very well do the same last year. The problem is Bowen and Prioleau aren't upper-echelon starters, and ideally there should be a little more stability at this position. Look for the Redskins to draft a developmental prospect on the second day.

Offensive guard

Randy Thomas and 2003 third-round pick Derrick Dockery return as the starters, but Dockery hasn't progressed as hoped. Although Washington will likely give Dockery one more season to start realizing his potential, it must start preparing the possibility he remains inconsistent.

Look for the Redskins to use a second-day pick on a guard who can provide adequate depth this year and possibly push Dockery for playing time next year.

Tight end

Robert Royal made strides last year and is expected to return as the starter, but he isn't a great in-line blocker. Although Michael Sellers and 2004 third-round pick Chris Cooley can line up at tight end in certain situations, both are better fits at H-Back.

In addition, Brian Kozlowski is an unrestricted free agent who isn't expected to return and Jabari Holloway failed to appear in a game last year. With depth an issue, Washington should use a late-round pick on a tight end.

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Cowboys need impact offensive lineman


Offensive tackle

Torrin Tucker is a powerful run blocker who flashes the ability to dominate the point of attack, but he lacks the athletic ability to hold his own in pass coverage and shouldn't be an every-down player. In fact, Dallas selected Jacob Rogers in the second round of last year's draft in an effort to replace Tucker as the starter opposite Flozell Adams.

The problem is Rogers failed to progress as expected, so Tucker started 13 games. Although Kurt Vollers provides some depth, he isn't dominant in any one area. Expect the Cowboys to sign or draft a tackle who will push Rogers as well as Tucker for playing time.

Florida State's Alex Barron and Oklahoma's Jammal Brown possess a good blend of bulk, power and athletic ability. Dallas may move Adams to the right side and Rogers to the left side, as Rogers may be a better fit on the left side. As a result, the Cowboys can take the best available tackle and then shift the personnel to get their best offensive linemen on the field.

Defensive end

Although Greg Ellis returns on the right side, LDE Marcellus Wiley failed to make a significant impact last year and Dallas released him. Eric Ogbogu progressed as a pass rusher last year, but he lacks the power to hold his ground against the run and may never develop into an every-down player.

Kevin DeRonde hasn't appeared in a game since he signed with the Cowboys as an undrafted free agent in 2002. Dallas is expected to run more 3-4 schemes this year, so it needs an end who can hold his ground in a two-gap scheme.

USC's Shaun Cody and Vanderbilt's Jovan Haye are projected early-round picks who have the strength to anchor at the point of attack and shows good quickness when rushing the passer.

Outside linebacker

Dexter Coakley has signed with St. Louis and 2003 fourth-round pick Bradie James may not be ready to replace him. James possesses good range and is relentless in pursuit, but he lacks ideal recognition skills and gets caught out of position at times.

Look for the Cowboys to use a first-day pick on a linebacker who can push James for playing time and step in should he struggle. With Dallas recording just 32 sacks last year and running more 3-4 schemes, adding an outside linebacker who has the burst and closing speed to effectively rush the passer will be the priority. Tennessee's Kevin Burnett and Southern Miss' Michael Boley fit this description.

Free safety

Five-time Pro Bowler Darren Woodson has retired and Roy Williams will move from free to strong safety to replace, him but who will start opposite Williams is unclear. Although Keith Davis plays with a mean streak and provides adequate depth, he lacks the speed to cover the deep half of the field and shouldn't be an every-down player.

Look for Dallas to use a middle-round pick on a safety who can push Davis for playing time while improving depth as a result.

Cornerback

The Cowboys signed Anthony Henry, who will start opposite 2003 first-round pick Terrance Newman, but depth remains an issue. Pete Hunter and 2004 fourth-round pick Bruce Thornton are both coming off season-ending knee injuries.

Their injuries forced Jacques Reeves and Lance Frazier to play significant roles last year, and they struggled. Expect Dallas to add a corner with the cover skills to compete for the nickel back role.

Wide Receiver

Quincy Morgan returns as the starter on one side. Keyshawn Johnson turns 33 and Terry Glenn turns 31 this summer, so the Cowboys would be wise to start grooming possible replacements.

Dallas needs a receiver who will improve depth and push for playing time in its multiple-receiver sets.

Offensive guard

Dallas signed Marco Rivera, who's expected to start on the right side if he's healthy. However, he has undergone back surgery to repair a bulging disc in his lower back. While 2002 second-round pick Andre Gurode has good starting experience and can step in should Rivera miss any time, he doesn't appear to be the long-term solution here. In fact, the Cowboys signed Rivera to replace him.

It's also important to note that Larry Allen is 33 and on the downside of his career. The Cowboys need to start grooming a possible replacement. Considering Allen's age and the durability concerns surrounding Rivera, Dallas would be wise to use a late-round pick on a guard.

Running back

Julius Jones, a second-round pick in 2004, should be the starter for years to come, but he missed eight games with injuries last year and Eddie George is an unrestricted free agent who won't be back.

Although ReShard Lee, Erik Bickerstaff and Woodrow Dantzler provide adequate depth, none is ready to assume the backup role. Look for the Cowboys to draft a back in the middle rounds or sign one consequently.

Quarterback

Dallas signed Drew Bledsoe to replace Vinny Testaverde, an unrestricted free agent who isn't expected to return. With questions surrounding Drew Henson's readiness to step into the backup role, look for the Cowboys to sign or draft a quarterback capable of competing with him for that job.

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Eagles need complements for Kearse, Owens


Defensive End

Unrestricted free agent Derrick Burgess signed with Oakland, so Philadelphia needs a defensive end who can compete for the starting slot opposite Jevon Kearse. Hugh Douglas re-signed and will return for another year, but the 33-year-old has clearly lost a step with age and isn't the long-term answer.

Jerome McDougle, a first-round pick in 2003 who has had problems staying healthy, hasn't progressed as expected. Jamaal Green, a fourth-round pick in 2003, missed his entire rookie season after fracturing his right ankle and appeared in just eight games last year.

With Kearse starting on the right, where he is more effective, the Eagles should look to add an end who's comfortable lining up on the left side. Wisconsin's Erasmus James, Oklahoma's Dan Cody and Iowa's Matt Roth are projected first-round picks who have the combination of power, explosiveness and range to make an immediate impact.

Wide receiver

Terrell Owens is one of the best in the league, and his ability to produce after the catch makes him an ideal fit for the West Coast scheme, but he needs a stronger supporting cast. While Todd Pinkston shows flashes of developing into a quality No. 2 receiver, he is inconsistent, and physical corners generally have success jamming him at the line.

Freddie Mitchell has made more noise off the field than on it, and there is a good chance he gets released before the start of the season. Even if he returns, it will be to compete for the No. 3 role. Greg Lewis is developing into an effective slot receiver and should only continue to get better with experience. However, he too lacks ideal size and strength, so it's unlikely he ever develops into an every-down receiver.

Billy McMullen, a third-round pick in 2003, has caught a total of four passes over the past four seasons. Philadelphia needs a receiver who can take advantage of the single-coverage opportunities Owens creates by drawing so much attention from opposing defenses.

Oklahoma's Mark Clayton, Utah's Steve Savoy and Miami's Roscoe Parrish are projected first-day picks who run crisp routes and catch the ball well.

Running back

Brian Westbrook is a perfect fit for the West Coast offense because he catches the ball well and can turn the short gain into the big play. He also shows great burst and elusiveness as a runner, but he doesn't have great size. As a result, Philadelphia shouldn't feel comfortable asking him to carry a heavy workload. Dorsey Levens, who backed Westbrook up last year, is an unrestricted free agent who isn't expected to return.

Although the Eagles have re-signed Correll Buckhalter, injuries forced him to miss the entire 2002 and '04 seasons. Last year's seventh-round pick, Bruce Perry, is coming off a season-ending knee injury as well, making depth that much more of a concern.

Philadelphia could fill this need with a mid-level free agent or a middle-round draft pick. Cal's J.J. Arrington, Louisiana Tech's Ryan Moats and Kansas State's Darren Sproles have the skills to provide good depth in a West Coast scheme.

Tight End

L.J. Smith is expected to start, but he has been hindered by back injuries, and depth is an issue, especially considering Philadelphia runs a fair amount of two-tight end sets. Unrestricted free agent Chad Lewis turns 34 this year and is coming off a foot injury. There is an excellent chance he decides to retire.

If he doesn't return as expected and the Eagles don't add a tight end, Mike Bartrum would likely assume the No. 2 role. Bartum, who is the team's long snapper, turns 35 this offseason and has caught a total of nine passes during his 12-year career.

James Whalen, who the Eagles signed during the offseason, would struggle if asked to play a significant role. Look for Philadelphia to draft a tight end who can compete for the No. 2 role this year and possibly replace Smith as the starter at some point in the future.

Defensive tackle

This may not appear to be a need with both starters returning, but the Eagles need to start preparing for the future because of two contract situations. Philadelphia has placed the franchise tag on Corey Simon, who may decide to leave following the 2005 season.

While head coach Andy Reid has said he will deny the request, Hollis Thomas has asked the team to trade him. It's highly unlikely he'll be in an Eagles uniform in 2006 even if he returns this year.

There isn't a player on the roster ready to replace either player. Sam Rayburn, who played well given the opportunity last year, provides good depth, but he is somewhat of an overachiever who lacks ideal athletic ability and range. As a result, he may never develop into an every-down player. The Eagles need a defensive tackle who can develop into a starter while providing quality depth. They should be able to find one in the middle rounds.

Safety

Michael Lewis and Brian Dawkins are outstanding, but there isn't much depth behind them. Dawkins turns 32 this year, so the Eagles need to start grooming a possible replacement.

While 2004 fourth-round pick J.R. Reed had been expected to fill this need, Reed injured a nerve in his lower leg when he tried to jump a fence during the rookie season. The injury is considered career-threatening and it's unlikely he'll ever be the same player again. With that in mind, expect the Eagles to draft a safety who has the speed, strength and athletic ability to eventually develop into an every-down safety in this scheme.

Offensive tackle

ThomasTra Thomas and Jon Runyan return as the starters, but Thomas is 31 and Runyan turns 32 later this year. With very little depth behind them, look for the Eagles to draft a tackle who has the potential to develop into a starter over time in the later rounds.

Cornerback

Philadelphia's secondary is among the best in the league, and starters Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard are expected to return. However, there is always room for improvement and nickel back Roderick Hood didn't make enough big plays last year. It shouldn't be a shock to see the Eagles take a corner in the later rounds.

Offensive guard

The good new is 2004 first-round pick Shawn Andrews should be ready to step into the starting right guard slot vacated by Jermane Mayberry, who signed with New Orleans, and Artis Hicks returns on the left side. However, Andrews is coming off a season-ending leg injury and Hicks missed some time with a knee injury last year. Having quality depth here is critical.

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Can Tiki keep producing at age 30?


Free safety

The Giants made Omar Stoutmire, who is coming off a season-ending knee injury, a cap casualty. Brent Alexander, who lined up at strong safety at times last year, has lost a step with age and shouldn't be an every-down player at this point. Backup Curry Burns is strictly a situational player that lacks ideal burst and athletic ability. No. 3 Jack Brewer has had problems staying healthy as well and his lack of ideal range makes himself somewhat of a liability in coverage.

The Giants need a safety that has the instincts, cover skills and big-play potential to replace Alexander as the starter. Oklahoma's Brodney Pool and Virginia Tech's Vincent Fuller are two of the best safeties available in this year's draft. The Giants situation at strong safety is also worth keeping an eye on.

2004 fifth-round pick Gibril Wilson exceeded expectations last year and should only continue to get better with experience. However, he is coming off a season-ending neck injury so having quality depth is critical and Shaun Williams has sustained season-ending knee injuries each of the last two years. With that in mind don't be surprised to see the Giants to use a second-day pick on a strong safety.


Defensive tackle

Fred Robbins has developed into a serviceable starter but who will line up opposite remains unclear. 2003 first-round pick William Joseph has been a disappointment thus far, Norman Hand is an unrestricted free agent that isn't expected to return at this point and Martin Chase signed with Jacksonville.

Although signing Kendrick Clancy improves depth, it's highly unlikely he ever develops into an every-down player. The Giants need a tackle that can push Joseph for playing time and eventually replace him should he continue to struggle. Projected first-day picks USC's Mike Patterson and Iowa's Jonathan Babineaux have the power and athletic ability to make an immediate impact.


Running back

Although he finished with a career-high 1,518 rushing yards last year, Tiki Barber turns 30 during the off-season. As a result, the Giants would be wise to start easing the workload of the undersized back and grooming a possible replacement. They have already re-signed Mike Cloud. He is a serviceable backup who also turns 30 before the start of the season and it's unlikely he develops into an every-down back at this point.

Ron Dayne, who obviously failed to progresses as expected, is an unrestricted free agent that won't be back and No. 3 Derrick Ward failed to record a carry during his rookie season last year. Louisville's Eric Shelton, Oklahoma State's Vernand Morency and West Virginia's Kay-Jay Harris have the size and burst to fill this need.


Cornerback

2001 first-round pick Will Allen and 2001 third-round pick Will Peterson return as the starters on the outside but the Giants made Nickel back Terry Cousin a cap casualty and he has signed with Jacksonville. Although 2003 sixth-round pick Frank Walker provides good depth he can be overaggressive and he will get caught of position. The Giants need a corner that has the burst and quick feet to give Walker some competition for the Nickel back role.

Outside linebacker

The Giants like 2004 fourth-round pick Reggie Torbor's ability to provide the big play and he appears to be the heir apparent to Carlos Emmons, who turns 32 this year, on the strong side. However, Barrett Green isn't making enough big plays on the weak side and spent most of last year in head coach Tom Coughlin's doghouse.

Although 2002 fifth-round pick Nick Greisen provides good depth and played well given the opportunity last year, his upside is limited by his lack of prototypical initial quickness and range. Look for the Giants to use a middle-round pick on a linebacker who has the potential to develop into a starter that can make more of an impact coming off the edge.


Offensive tackle

The Giants signed Kareem McKenzie and he should team up with LOT Luke Petitgout to form a quality starting tandem. However, David Diehl is expected to replace Jason Whittle at left guard. Diehl moving inside will weaken the depth at tackle so look for the Giants to use a second-day pick on a tackle.

Wide receiver

The Giants signed Plaxico Burress and he will start opposite Amani Toomer. In addition, 2002 second-round pick Tim Carter and 2004 sixth-round pick Jamaar Taylor should compete for the No. 3 role. However, the loss of Ike Hilliard, who they made a cap casualty, has weakened depth somewhat. Don't be surprised to see the Giants use a late-round pick on a receiver who can contribute on special teams while pushing for playing time in the four and five-receiver sets.

Quarterback

The Giants have signed Jim Miller to back up Eli Manning but Miller is 34 years old and there are no guarantees No. 3 Jared Lorenzen will never develop into a quality backup. Look for them to use a middle-to-late round pick on a quarterback that has the arm strength, mobility and intelligence to compete for the backup role in a year or two.

Disco Dave
April-3rd-2005, 04:10 AM
I agree that Walt Harris is better at playing nickel back rather than being the starter. Maybe we draft a CB.

33
April-3rd-2005, 04:31 AM
Any publication that would go to "virtual" print with this line, loses mass respect from me.


It's also worth noting that Williams frequently rotated his safeties last year and could very well do the same last year.

They didn't name a single player who would be likely at the 9 spot. They left it that we could draft any one of those positions in the 1st. So vague and unsatisfying.

Thanks for the post as always Bubba.

tr1
April-3rd-2005, 07:06 AM
This isn't a bad article.

I do think we'll draft a QB, though.

ktball74
April-3rd-2005, 08:08 AM
He failed to mention Ryan Clark filling in great for Bowen last season. I think our depth at Safety is fine.

Mr. S
April-3rd-2005, 08:19 AM
they forgot about Clifton Smith for MLB. Dont other publications and prospects say he was the 2nd best MLB 2 drafts ago?

dg28daman
April-3rd-2005, 08:33 AM
I agree with what he said about Harris not being a starter. I don't agree with what he said about the safties tho. IMO safety is one position we don't need depth. Every safety we have can play.

Tom [Giants fan]
April-3rd-2005, 08:54 AM
How did losing Ike Hilliard weaken the Giants depth? They replaced him with Burress so that means they have the same depth as last year. This does not make sense. :doh:

skinsanity56
April-3rd-2005, 09:47 AM
They didn't name a single player who would be likely at the 9 spot. They left it that we could draft any one of those positions in the 1st. So vague and unsatisfying.

NO DOUBT

fpickering
April-3rd-2005, 10:53 AM
I agree with all of this except that we need a Strong Safety. We have excellent depth at Safety and one of our guys will end up being the long term solution.

ohioskinfan
April-3rd-2005, 11:10 AM
I just wish we had all the necessary draft picks needed to fill these needs.

Storm
April-3rd-2005, 11:15 AM
according to the article we're likely to draft at every defensive position in the second day--not the most thought out article.

RabidFan
April-3rd-2005, 11:29 AM
Am I the only one who wants to say: Who the hell is Jabari Holloway???:laugh:

Ryan Clark, Clifton Smith, Chris Clemons, Garnel Wilds, Rufus Brown,Andre Lott, Ron Warner are all young players who got some much needed game experience and/or have starter several games....yet we have zero depth on Defense? PLEASE!!!!

As Kent Brockman would say: "Do your Research!"

GIBBSisGOD
April-3rd-2005, 12:09 PM
I personally am getting sold on the idea of taking merriman with our pick @ 9 and than hopefuly trading gardner and maybe a pick to acquire an early to mid 2nd round draft choice and draft the best of the cornerbacks that drop like maybe marlin jackson, corey webster something like that to fill our need at cornerback

thinker
April-3rd-2005, 12:15 PM
I could use an influx of youth.

Park City Skins
April-3rd-2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by thinker
I could use an influx of youth.

:laugh: :laugh:

jimster
April-3rd-2005, 01:08 PM
wow, and here I was thinking our #3 defense ( who were on the filed a lot longer than the #1 or #2 defense) were pretty good, but according to this article we are doomed. :rolleyes:

SonnyJ
April-3rd-2005, 01:38 PM
I am ashamed to say that I have never heard of Brandon Barnes, though apparently he is the next option should Barrow not be up to the task.

Who is Brandon Barnes? :confused:

Park City Skins
April-3rd-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by SonnyJ
I am ashamed to say that I have never heard of Brandon Barnes, though apparently he is the next option should Barrow not be up to the task.

Who is Brandon Barnes? :confused:

I have to work hard sometimes. ;)

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=3802

Career Highlights

Barnes is a young, hard-working player who as a rookie served as a key special teams player in 2004. He also added depth at linebacker. He spent training camp 2004 with the Baltimore Ravens.
NFL Acquisition: Barnes was signed as an undrafted free agent with the Baltimore Ravens in April 2004.

How Acquired: Brown was signed by the Redskins as an unrestricted free agent on October 5, 2004.

2004: Barnes recorded 10 special teams tackles on punt and kickoff coverage units. He also served as a backup linebacker, recording one tackle on the season. Barnes spent training camp in 2004 with the Baltimore Ravens but was released prior to the regular season.

College/Personal: As a Missouri Tiger, Barnes started 17 of 37 games, including all 12 in 2003...Posted 109 tackles (2nd on team) as a senior...Added 10 tackles for loss of 20, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 1 PD, 6 QB hurries, 3 FR and 1 FF...Barnes appeared in all 11 games in 2001 as a special teamer and WR, but moved to the defense in 2002...As a junior (2002), he registered 54 tackles, 2 FR, and 1 FF...At Nebraska, his 1st-career start, he posted 14 tackles, a career high, 12 solo, 1 FR and 1 PD...Was voted "most improved" DB that year...Was lost for the season in 2000 with a broken ankle vs. Clemson in the 2nd week...Started his 1st career game against Western Illinois in week 1...Was redshirted in 1999...Named offensive scout team's "Player of the Week" twice...Two-way player who earned 2nd-team All-state DB honors after tallying 70 tackles at Sikeston (MO) HS...All-Conference and All-District in basketball...Majored in political science...Born 6/12/81 in Sikeston, Mo....Full name: Brandon Edward Barnes.

Fifty Gut
April-3rd-2005, 01:46 PM
It's obvious our lack of young depth is directly related with our lack of draft picks.

SonnyJ
April-3rd-2005, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Park City Skins


I have to work hard sometimes. ;)

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=3802

Career Highlights

Barnes is a young, hard-working player who as a rookie served as a key special teams player in 2004. He also added depth at linebacker. He spent training camp 2004 with the Baltimore Ravens.
NFL Acquisition: Barnes was signed as an undrafted free agent with the Baltimore Ravens in April 2004.

How Acquired: Brown was signed by the Redskins as an unrestricted free agent on October 5, 2004.

2004: Barnes recorded 10 special teams tackles on punt and kickoff coverage units. He also served as a backup linebacker, recording one tackle on the season. Barnes spent training camp in 2004 with the Baltimore Ravens but was released prior to the regular season.

College/Personal: As a Missouri Tiger, Barnes started 17 of 37 games, including all 12 in 2003...Posted 109 tackles (2nd on team) as a senior...Added 10 tackles for loss of 20, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 1 PD, 6 QB hurries, 3 FR and 1 FF...Barnes appeared in all 11 games in 2001 as a special teamer and WR, but moved to the defense in 2002...As a junior (2002), he registered 54 tackles, 2 FR, and 1 FF...At Nebraska, his 1st-career start, he posted 14 tackles, a career high, 12 solo, 1 FR and 1 PD...Was voted "most improved" DB that year...Was lost for the season in 2000 with a broken ankle vs. Clemson in the 2nd week...Started his 1st career game against Western Illinois in week 1...Was redshirted in 1999...Named offensive scout team's "Player of the Week" twice...Two-way player who earned 2nd-team All-state DB honors after tallying 70 tackles at Sikeston (MO) HS...All-Conference and All-District in basketball...Majored in political science...Born 6/12/81 in Sikeston, Mo....Full name: Brandon Edward Barnes.

Thanks, PCS, but it was more in the nature of a rhetorical question :). The author clearly did little research regarding the depth/plan at the position, beyond looking at a roster sheet. Throwing out Barnes' name when I hadn't seen it used anywhere in the context of the MLB position made me slightly confused.

Thanks for the info, anyway, though. :cheers:

bubba9497
April-3rd-2005, 03:39 PM
I thought Khari Campbell & Smith were backups at mlb? :whoknows:

TheDiplomat
April-3rd-2005, 03:48 PM
WOW storm. Who is that beautiful lady in your sig?

Major Harris
April-3rd-2005, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by GIBBSisGOD
I personally am getting sold on the idea of taking merriman with our pick @ 9 and than hopefuly trading gardner and maybe a pick to acquire an early to mid 2nd round draft choice and draft the best of the cornerbacks that drop like maybe marlin jackson, corey webster something like that to fill our need at cornerback

you know, i'm starting to warm up to merriman. almost makes me wish i'd watched more terps football:puke:

pac man is my top choice, other than that, i wouldn't mind merriman in burgundy and gold.

bulldog
April-3rd-2005, 06:11 PM
The Redskins defense is a lot younger than the Patriots was in 2003 when they won the Super Bowl. There are no 36 year old Ted Washingtons or Roman Phifers on the Skins D.

With the way athletes keep themselves in shape these days I don't see corners that are 29 and 30 as necessarily being 'old'.

As recently as 2002 the Eagles made the NFC title game with an over 30 crew that included Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, etc........

Check out the ages of the Raiders defensive unit heading into 2005.

I agree that the team needs to address DE and CB, especially for depth if not for starting talent right away in 2005.

However, I think the team will find a middle linebacker from within the organization or after June 1. I don't see a draft choice for a MLB this time around.

Notice that this article didn't mention Lemar Marshall or Clifton Smith as depth at MLB heading into the minicamps along with Barrow.

Shows somebody hasn't been doing their research.

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by tr1
This isn't a bad article.

I do think we'll draft a QB, though.

I don't really think we'll draft a QB, I just don't see the redskins wasting a pic on it.. Maybe a project QB for the 3rd string if we lose Hassleback, but if Gibbs needs to look for a starter I think he'll take another opprotunity to get a proven free agent. Hopefully someone younger then 35 and someone who isn't named Quincy Carter.

I think the point will be moot after this season when Patrick Ramsey silences the critics =)

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by dg28daman
I agree with what he said about Harris not being a starter. I don't agree with what he said about the safties tho. IMO safety is one position we don't need depth. Every safety we have can play.

I predict that if a CB isn't drafted there will be a reason why, that's because GW knows we have something special in Garnel Wilds. If he does draft a CB in anything later then the first, it'll be purely for depth and to push Wilds to compete for the starting job Next year.

I fully expect to see Wilds in the starting role of CB by the end of the year. Springs and Harris just aren't going to stay healthy all year long. I think the kid will step in and step up. I loved what I saw from him last year in limited action. The kid is absolutely fearless, I love seeing a CB come up to play the run.

That and I think we need a guy on the field with stuff coming out of the bottom of his helmet.

GURU
April-4th-2005, 07:50 AM
The Redskins defense is a lot younger than the Patriots was in 2003 when they won the Super Bowl. There are no 36 year old Ted Washingtons or Roman Phifers on the Skins D.

With the way athletes keep themselves in shape these days I don't see corners that are 29 and 30 as necessarily being 'old'.

As recently as 2002 the Eagles made the NFC title game with an over 30 crew that included Hugh Douglas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, etc........

True, bulldog, but note the way that both of these very successful teams have drafted. They draft with an eye to the future, considering the age and possible free agent departures at certain positions. The Patriots have kept adding defensive linemen, in the first round no less, in the last several drafts. And the Eagles raised quite a few eyebrows when they drafted defensive backs with three out of their 4 top picks a couple of years ago--despite having two Pro Bowl cornerbacks-- and are looking awfully smart for it, now.

Similarly, I think it would be smart to start infusing both the D-line and the CB position with some young talent, with an eye to the future. You're better off doing it now rather than waiting for a starter to go down due to age or injury.


I predict that if a CB isn't drafted there will be a reason why, that's because GW knows we have something special in Garnel Wilds.

Well, I think that's an awful lot of confidence in a player who didn't get killed by Randy Moss for part of one game. I think that's a pretty big leap to project that guy as a starter. Maybe. I wouldn't bet the house on it.


I don't really think we'll draft a QB, I just don't see the redskins wasting a pic on it.. Maybe a project QB for the 3rd string if we lose Hassleback, but if Gibbs needs to look for a starter I think he'll take another opprotunity to get a proven free agent.
While the offense stuggled mightily last year, I still contend that the majority of the problems were NOT talent related. If you break down the individual units, they are relatively young, both in starters and in depth, save for the quarterback position. I will not be surprised one single bit if the Skins add a quarterback somewhere on the second day of the draft--one with physical upside but needing experience and seasoning. I certainly don't see it as a wasted pick, considering that Patrick Ramsey still has a lot to prove. Then you have to consider the fact that Mark Brunell's contract was structured, realistically, as a 3-year deal. Anyone think he is worth restructuring after 3 years, based on last year's play? I believe Gibbs would love to have someone with more upside than Hassleback to bring along, and the sooner the learning process starts, the better.

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 08:02 AM
Well looking at Joe Gibb's track record, he's not going to waste time on a rookie or second year guy if PR falls through, he will get himself a free agent. He may have a rookie waiting in the wings developing while his free agent takes the helm though.

In regards to Garnel Wilds. I just like what I saw, I wasn't even refering to the Randy Moss game, actually forgot about it. But to be a rookie.. And not get killed by the best receiver in the league is saying something. So that's atleast a nice foundation for him to work on..

I wasn't assuming that GW did think Wilds was special, more or less saying that our movements i nthe draft this year will give us a good idea (I think) on what GW thinks of Wilds.

cphil006
April-4th-2005, 08:19 AM
That blue color looks great.

I thought Ryan Clark played well last season as a SS and came in during thte season. With an offseason here under his belt he should only improve. Bowen is coming off major knee surgery, so I look for Clark to win the starting job.

Dirk Diggler
April-4th-2005, 08:58 AM
The 2 most important players on a Greg Williams defense are the 2 corners so I'd be pretty damn surprised if we passed on Rolle or Jones should they be available. And I'd be downright flabergasted if we didn't take a CB on the first day of this draft.

A lot of what you hear right now from the teams (skins included) is posturing. Of course coaches are going to talk about how confident they are in Mr. Noname at MLB or nickel back or how we have big plans for Gari Scott. Few teams will actually come right out and admit that they have a weakness so as not to tip their hand. Still, the smart teams know not only what they themselves need but what other teams need. What's really interesting though is that teams like the Titans and Browns with sooooo many needs are just as hard to figure as teams like the Patriots/Eagles who have few needs and can draft for the future or depth.

Getting back to my point - Springs and Harris are by no means ancient but if Greg Williams is as smart as I think he is, he won't want to grab the reigns in 2007 or 2008 with a couple of starters in their early 30s at the most crucial position in his defense. Corners don't generally take very long to develop but I'd be shocked if he wants to roll the dice hoping that he can get one later in the draft or a year from now when there is certainly no guarantees of a good one being available. Provided of course that Jones or Rolle is available at our pick. I know that there are no guarantees at any position but those 2 players are about as close to it as you will find at the corner spot.

jrfriedm
April-4th-2005, 09:07 AM
We defenitly do need to address CB but I feel confident in our MLB situation. We could always use a little depth, but I think that we set in that area.

GURU
April-4th-2005, 09:13 AM
True, that corners are very important in Williams' defense. But the MOST important aspect of his defense is the production of PRESSURE, above all else.

While everyone would love to have two cornerbacks who can blanket receivers all over the field, it's not a prerequisite ability in Williams' defense. What he asks his corners to do is to be able to disrupt the timing of the receivers, and to be able to play both man and zone coverages. The ability to play sticky man coverage 40 yards downfield isn't as important if your defense is designed not to give QBs the time to look 40 yards downfield.

I know Williams and Gibbs would love to grab a talented young corner to throw into the mix. But I betcha they would love, even more, too add a young talented defensive end to help create some real chaos up front.

I think the odds of finding one of those DEs outside the first round are VERY slim, and there are probably going to be some very interesting CB prospects beyond the first round.

Both positions need to be addressed, but if you're going to play the odds, I'd say you might help your team more, in the long run, by addressing DE first.

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by cphil006
That blue color looks great.

I thought Ryan Clark played well last season as a SS and came in during thte season. With an offseason here under his belt he should only improve. Bowen is coming off major knee surgery, so I look for Clark to win the starting job.

Agreed, he was a nice part of that beast we call the skins secondary. You gotta admit though Bowens was lighting it up before got injured though.

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by jrfriedm
We defenitly do need to address CB but I feel confident in our MLB situation. We could always use a little depth, but I think that we set in that area.

I'm never worried about our CB's, we are kind of like San Fran with QB's, we always seem to have good CB's. ;p

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by GURU
True, that corners are very important in Williams' defense. But the MOST important aspect of his defense is the production of PRESSURE, above all else.

While everyone would love to have two cornerbacks who can blanket receivers all over the field, it's not a prerequisite ability in Williams' defense. What he asks his corners to do is to be able to disrupt the timing of the receivers, and to be able to play both man and zone coverages. The ability to play sticky man coverage 40 yards downfield isn't as important if your defense is designed not to give QBs the time to look 40 yards downfield.

I know Williams and Gibbs would love to grab a talented young corner to throw into the mix. But I betcha they would love, even more, too add a young talented defensive end to help create some real chaos up front.

I think the odds of finding one of those DEs outside the first round are VERY slim, and there are probably going to be some very interesting CB prospects beyond the first round.

Both positions need to be addressed, but if you're going to play the odds, I'd say you might help your team more, in the long run, by addressing DE first.

Have to respectfully disagree here. I think our most pressing need team wide is WR. I'd much rather see us draft a CB or WR then anything else.

The DE pool is a little weak this year imo. Sure there are some guys who stand out but nothing I'd use an early pick on. I'd fill an offensive need first round in a trade down scenerio to nab a second, and then use the second rounder on a CB. And wait till next year to see what the draft can offer us along the defensive line.

Dirk Diggler
April-4th-2005, 10:21 AM
True, that corners are very important in Williams' defense. But the MOST important aspect of his defense is the production of PRESSURE, above all else.

While everyone would love to have two cornerbacks who can blanket receivers all over the field, it's not a prerequisite ability in Williams' defense. What he asks his corners to do is to be able to disrupt the timing of the receivers, and to be able to play both man and zone coverages. The ability to play sticky man coverage 40 yards downfield isn't as important if your defense is designed not to give QBs the time to look 40 yards downfield.

I know Williams and Gibbs would love to grab a talented young corner to throw into the mix. But I betcha they would love, even more, too add a young talented defensive end to help create some real chaos up front.

I think the odds of finding one of those DEs outside the first round are VERY slim, and there are probably going to be some very interesting CB prospects beyond the first round.

Both positions need to be addressed, but if you're going to play the odds, I'd say you might help your team more, in the long run, by addressing DE first.


Well I guess we will find out a few weeks from now should either Jones or Rolle be available along with Merrimen or James. I still don't see either CB being available but it could get interesting if they are.

While I agree that pressure is very important in this defense, it's easier to orchestrate pressure than it is man cover-ability. Williams has already proven that as we essentially had a no-name front seven last season with the best defensive backfield in the league behind it.

I'm sure you will counter that having pressure from your ends allows your CBs to cover less of the field but I'd prefer to take my chances at end rather than CB. Look at Dallas and Kansas City last season. It doesn't take long for NFL offenses to find a weak link in the defensive backfield.

I've long, long lobbied for Dline help since it's been ignored in the early rounds for eons. But with Smoot gone, needs change. We successfully covered for the Bailey loss with the signing of Springs but to hope that Garnell Wilds/Rufus Brown/or a 3rd rounder can cover for Smoot is asking a lot. Yes, I know that Harris is covering for SMoot but that 3rd corner plays the majority of the defensive snaps and you can't hide him.

I guess what it comes down to is that I'd feel more comfortable with Antrell Rolle in the first and Eric Moore in the third than Shawne Merrimen and Travis Daniels. And I think that draft history supports that as the vast majority of your top corners have been off the board in Rounds 1 & 2 over the years b/c teams have scouted that position better than any other.

Oldskool
April-4th-2005, 10:27 AM
god this article is horribly written.

Harris IS a starting caibre CB. No rookie should start in GW's system with the amount of responsability placed on that position.

I guess this guy never heard of Clifton Smith has he? He, Barrow (if healthy) and Marshall should do fine at MLB this year.

G-Prime
April-4th-2005, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Oldskool
god this article is horribly written.

Harris IS a starting caibre CB. No rookie should start in GW's system with the amount of responsability placed on that position.

I guess this guy never heard of Clifton Smith has he? He, Barrow (if healthy) and Marshall should do fine at MLB this year.

Yeah I'm just not sure why everyone is fussing about our D.. We're fine at every position. Yeah I'd like an upgrade along the d line but 1. The draft is weak and 2. It's not a priority in my opinion.

TheLongshot
April-4th-2005, 12:11 PM
I can't say that I like the article either. I don't really see any "needs" per-se on our defense, but there is certainly room for depth across the board (except perhaps at Safety.) I don't expect that if we draft a corner, that he will be in the starting lineup this year (unless Harris is getting torched.)

Really, I think we are pretty open at #9 for a WR/CB/DE, if one falls to that point that makes sense.

Jason

Gohan17
April-4th-2005, 06:19 PM
I'm thinking more and more that we will get the LB/DE from Maryland. I would like a corner but they seem satisfied with Harris and I don't want to see Wilds get buried on the depth chart, I want to see him get a chance.

Williams could do a lot with a guy that is like Dwight Freeny, that would make our D even better.

I would love a Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams, but that just isn't going to happen. I think though our O will be much better with Jansen back and now that we have a good center. Patten is a hard working guy like Gibbs wants and I think Moss is too. I think McCants and Jacobs will help out too.

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bulldog
April-4th-2005, 06:36 PM
the 'core' talent on the Redskins defense including Arrington, Washington, Taylor, Griffin, etc. are all under 30 and will be around for the next several years :)

the fact the Skins have 29-30 year old vets at DE and CB does not make this an aging defense :laugh:

we don't have 32 and 37 year old defensive tackles like the Raiders.

we don't have a 35 year old starting corner like the Bills.

we aren't paying through the nose for geezers on D like we did in 2000.

Pierce? He is 27 and is slated to be replaced by Lemar Marshall who is 28.

Smoot? My feeling is we will end up with Rolle or Jones, who both have the potential to be top shelf corners in the NFL.

Where is the age problem here? :D

G-Prime
April-5th-2005, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by bulldog
the 'core' talent on the Redskins defense including Arrington, Washington, Taylor, Griffin, etc. are all under 30 and will be around for the next several years :)

the fact the Skins have 29-30 year old vets at DE and CB does not make this an aging defense :laugh:

we don't have 32 and 37 year old defensive tackles like the Raiders.

we don't have a 35 year old starting corner like the Bills.

we aren't paying through the nose for geezers on D like we did in 2000.

Pierce? He is 27 and is slated to be replaced by Lemar Marshall who is 28.

Smoot? My feeling is we will end up with Rolle or Jones, who both have the potential to be top shelf corners in the NFL.

Where is the age problem here? :D

Ray Brown? He's the only one I can think of who's what I'd consider too old.