Is Gibbs Purging the Skins.....

[Giantone]

Does he dump all the malcontents this year or wait til next and start over .Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

[Stricknine]

You're an idiot.

[Westbrook36]

If he was doing that, you would think he would hold onto draft picks like they were gold instead of trading future resources for low first round picks.

I think he wants to win and win now.

[Johnny Punani2]

I think your going to be dumped midgetone...

[skin_finatic]

sheeeesh :doh:

[Oldskool]

:doh: :doh1:

[MCnDaHouse]

He's not purging the Skins except for the malcontents (coles, Gardner) that don't want to be there.

MC

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Originally posted by Stricknine
You're an idiot.

Wow Strick! If he's an idiot, what does that make you?

If you're gonna disagree, disagree with an intelligent comment, not some *****holish comment like that.

[TXREDSKINS44]

Man your an idoit, first off Gibbs would not start all over with this team. Why on earth would we cut Taylor???

[iheartskins]

A sphincter says what?

What?

A sphincter says what?

What?

Exactly. :)

[MonkeySkin]

No way in hell do you get rid of Taylor. Like it or not, he's the BEST player on the team. Everybody gives Taylor a bunch of crap, but Moss is the one that should be getting it about not being at the workouts.

I wish they would trade Moss now.

[Stricknine]

Um Sassy...i didnt think that warranted an intelligent response.

[zoony]

Originally posted by Giantone
Does he dump all the malcontents this year or wait til next and start over .Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

:doh:


You're an idiot.


:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:


But to answer the question... I agree with Westbrook. But I still don't like him. :)

[Dead Money]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
I think he wants to win and win now.

Another idiot plagerizing the mediots.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Stricknine
You're an idiot.

Uncalled for.. He had a valid question... Look at the two posts side by side and there will be no doubt where the label of idiot belongs..

Grow up.

:cuss:

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Stricknine
Um Sassy...i didnt think that warranted an intelligent response.

Nor does your existance, but your mom still beat you didn't she?

[tizzod]

Originally posted by TXREDSKINS44
Man your and idoit

Please don't call anyone an idiot when you put together a sentence like that....

[jrfriedm]

Gibbs is not getting rid of anybody that he feels is going to help the Redskins win and win now. He is trying to find the right group of guys to put out onto the field. He is not going to get rid of Arrington. He will not get rid of Taylor, but I have a feeling that Taylor may not be here in Washington after his rookie Contract is up.

[TXREDSKINS44]

Originally posted by tizzod


Please don't call anyone an idiot when you put together a sentence like that....

:rolleyes:

[wskin44]

We will have plenty of cap room next year. Next year will be a cap picnic compared to this year. Just watch.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by wskin44
We will have plenty of cap room next year. Next year will be a cap picnic compared to this year. Just watch.

Yeah looking forward to next year.. I bet if we have the space, we'll be dumping Brunell and eating his bonus..

[Fifty Gut]

Are you still celebrating 4/20?

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Gfunk703
Are you still celebrating 4/20?

24/7

[Giantone]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
If he was doing that, you would think he would hold onto draft picks like they were gold instead of trading future resources for low first round picks.

I think he wants to win and win now.

At no point do I question Joe Gibbs .It's the Redskin players who are doing that .Arrrington is being an ASS and Gardner, Moss and I don't believe Gibbs likes Taylor,from day 1 Taylor has been a pain . Gibbs wants the old days back and he knows it works(all for one and one for all).These guys are all for them selves and as the Pats have proven it's as much team chemistry as it is talent .And we all know he doesn't want Ramsey as QB.:cheers:

[[[ghost]]]

cut him some slack, he's a n00b, i mean, he's still a cheerleader.


but very stupid remark, nevertheless.

[richard saunders]

Originally posted by Giantone
Does he dump all the malcontents this year or wait til next and start over .Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

At what point do the Giants dump all of their malcontents? Barber and Strahan squabbling. Everyone hates the coach right? Oh yeah, they worked through all that.:rolleyes:

Don't believe everything you read.

[Westbrook36]

Originally posted by Kevin B.


Another idiot plagerizing the mediots.

You are right. Gibbs doesn't want to win now.

I love how Skins fans get upset about things that are going on around the team and misguide their anger towards any fan of another team who has ANY opinion.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally posted by Westbrook36


You are right. Gibbs doesn't want to win now.

I love how Skins fans get upset about things that are going on around the team and misguide their anger towards any fan of another team who has ANY opinion.

Of course Gibbs wants to win now, win next year, win the year after that, etc ,etc.

And if you look at his track record it didn't take his ass long to win.

What irritates Redskins fans is when some dolt fan of a loser team comes in here, and in a smug arrogant way offers his 2 cents when none of us wants to hear it and tosses out troll bait such as "on the surface this is the worst trade since the Hershel Walker trade"

But of course this concept won't get through your thick skull

[beastman]

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[MikeB]

Originally posted by Gothtimus


Uncalled for.. He had a valid question... Look at the two posts side by side and there will be no doubt where the label of idiot belongs..

Grow up.

:cuss:

I disagree. It's obvious the thread was designed to irritate.

[richard saunders]

Originally posted by Giantone
Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,

Really?

[Park City Skins]

Good grief. This thread needs a sign. :Warning. Reading this thread can lower your IQ. Proceed with Extreme, ( sorry), caution. Cripes. Not bad enough the original post, ( could have been a little better), then look at some of the responses. Cripes I think I stepped into an Eagles message board. A few of you clearly need naps.

Okay







Originally posted by Giantone


At no point do I question Joe Gibbs .It's the Redskin players who are doing that .Arrrington is being an ASS and Gardner, Moss and I don't believe Gibbs likes Taylor,from day 1 Taylor has been a pain . Gibbs wants the old days back and he knows it works(all for one and one for all).These guys are all for them selves and as the Pats have proven it's as much team chemistry as it is talent .And we all know he doesn't want Ramset as QB.:cheers:


Not sure who Ramset is, but I think that I would have to agree. With a name like that, no way I'd want him either. As for the guy named Ramsey, I'd ask you how "you" know because I've "read" in just the past 2 days how Joe wants him on the Redskins. And ya know, the "old" days had some interesting folks on it too. What Joe is able to do is build a team and chemistry with guys like that on the team.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally posted by Giantone
.Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

Ok I didn't realize what a moronic statement that was.

After 2006 the cap will increase by at least 10 percent if not more thanks to the new TV deal.

Getting rid of the Coles contract along with Samuels re-structuring this past year and not blowing our wads on Smoot and Pierce will actually take us to cap heaven. We are going to have plenty of room next offseason

[Giantone]

Originally posted by richard saunders


At what point do the Giants dump all of their malcontents? Barber and Strahan squabbling. Everyone hates the coach right? Oh yeah, they worked through all that.:rolleyes:

Don't believe everything you read.

Never said they did and look were it's gotten them ???You will admit that this off season is different from last .

[Giantone]

Originally posted by SkinsHokieFan


Ok I didn't realize what a moronic statement that was.

After 2006 the cap will increase by at least 10 percent if not more thanks to the new TV deal.

Getting rid of the Coles contract along with Samuels re-structuring this past year and not blowing our wads on Smoot and Pierce will actually take us to cap heaven. We are going to have plenty of room next offseason

Really .....heaven.....ya might want to double check .:2cents:

[authentic]

Originally posted by Giantone
Does he dump all the malcontents this year or wait til next and start over .Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

speaking of dump, i'd like to take a dump on this post :moon: :crap:

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone


Really .....heaven.....ya might want to double check .:2cents:

Okay. I'm in. Keep in mind this has been a topic just a few times in the recent past. So, visitor from yonder Giants boards, where do the Skins stand with the Salary Cap next year? You know. $____ over and so forth.

Adn I'd still like an answer to the Ramsey question. Thanks.

[Giantone]

Originally posted by MikeB


I disagree. It's obvious the thread was designed to irritate.

Nope it was a honest question . Giants are my team but I live here in DC and if you like football you've got to put up with the Skins .I like Gibbs I wish the Giants had him ,hell they should have kept Fassel .We have our problems and you guys have yours .:2cents:

[authentic]

Not sure who Ramset is, but I think that I would have to agree. With a name like that, no way I'd want him either. As for the guy named Ramsey, I'd ask you how "you" know because I've "read" in just the past 2 days how Joe wants him on the Redskins. And ya know, the "old" days had some interesting folks on it too. What Joe is able to do is build a team and chemistry with guys like that on the team. [/B][/QUOTE]

i agree people need to stop listening to ESPN and "Mike and Mike", implying that Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey. I also agree with how Gibbs runs the team.. when you think about it he's like the Phil Jackson of football, with blending complex personalities to persue a team goal.. i mean for God's sakes hasn't he won 3 SB's?!!?!?!?

[beastman]

Originally posted by Park City Skins
Good grief. This thread needs a sign. :Warning. Reading this thread can lower your IQ. Proceed with Extreme, ( sorry), caution.

Happy to oblige.

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[Giantone]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Park City Skins


Okay. I'm in. Keep in mind this has been a topic just a few times in the recent past. So, visitor from yonder Giants boards, where do the Skins stand with the Salary Cap next year? You know. $____ over and so forth.

Adn I'd still like an answer to the Ramsey question. Thanks. [/QUOTE

I'll answer the cap question after the draft and see what else spending is done .As for Ramsey ..Ray Chales can see that Gibbs doesn't think he has it .You will admit that Brunell was his first choice (and still is) and Ramsey is Snyders.:cheers:

[richard saunders]

Originally posted by Giantone
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Park City Skins


Okay. I'm in. Keep in mind this has been a topic just a few times in the recent past. So, visitor from yonder Giants boards, where do the Skins stand with the Salary Cap next year? You know. $____ over and so forth.

Adn I'd still like an answer to the Ramsey question. Thanks. [/QUOTE

I'll answer the cap question after the draft and see what else spending is done .As for Ramsey ..Ray Chales can see that Gibbs doesn't think he has it .You will admit that Brunell was his first choice (and still is) and Ramsey is Snyders.:cheers:

Did you not just read Park City?

Gibbs again repeated himself saying Ramsey's his guy, and starter next year.

Do you think Gibbs is lying to everyone?

[Giantone]

yes

[Giantone]

Originally posted by Giantone
yes

Not that he's lying ,he might believe it but with the way info is comminig from the SKINs Vinny says one thing and Gibbs says another .You tell me .:2cents:

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Park City Skins


Okay. I'm in. Keep in mind this has been a topic just a few times in the recent past. So, visitor from yonder Giants boards, where do the Skins stand with the Salary Cap next year? You know. $____ over and so forth.

Adn I'd still like an answer to the Ramsey question. Thanks. [/QUOTE

I'll answer the cap question after the draft and see what else spending is done .As for Ramsey ..Ray Chales can see that Gibbs doesn't think he has it .You will admit that Brunell was his first choice (and still is) and Ramsey is Snyders.:cheers:


Not even a nice backpeddle.

Uh uh. No way. See. You have, before the draft, stated the Skins will be in cap hell in 2006. So clearly you already know the Skins cap situation. Can't have it both ways Giantone. Either you know it or you don't. You say you know it. Prove it.


Reminder:


Originally posted by Giantone
Does he dump all the malcontents this year or wait til next and start over .Next year the Skins will be in cap hell no matter what ,do you dump Arrington ,Taylor and Moss or whoever ?:cheers:

As for Ramsey, pardon me sir, but as richard saunders stated, Joe stated again today Ramsey is his guy. You were talking about Ray Charles? Feel free to read about it. Oh. And I will not admit Brunell was Joe's first choice because he wasn't. Don't need to rehash that with anyone much less a Giants fan.

[tr1]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
If he was doing that, you would think he would hold onto draft picks like they were gold instead of trading future resources for low first round picks.

I think he wants to win and win now.

Jeebus...the end must be near if I'm defending WB36.

I think he's right about Gibbs wanting to win right away and the picks.

OOoohh...I think I just agreed with WB36.

:doh:

Someone...the gun, please.

[SkinsChick36]

Why don't you go ahead and put up our cap troubles for next year before the draft so we can see the hell we're in for before we sign a big contract with a rookie...or maybe you really have no evidence...:doh:

[brandies]

I think he is doing a semi purge. He is going to build a team with attitude like the patriots. sorry for the name calling here, i think your point is well taken. I guess those who call names, don't have enough knowledge for an intelligent response

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone


Not that he's lying ,he might believe it but with the way info is comminig from the SKINs Vinny says one thing and Gibbs says another .You tell me .:2cents:

Oh, and about that. See. That was covered already. By our own Andyman.


Originally posted by andyman


Actually you are wrong, and it goes to the point of what, I guess, Vinny/the team was trying to get across.

The release/quote said this (and I paraphrase):

"The Washington Post incorrectly reported that the Skins were in discussions with the Raiders to trade the 9th pick in the draft for Buchanon."

"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."


It was very clear in the release that Vinny was talking about the Buchanon situation. The Post, and other media, took the second part of that quote and used it as "proof" that Vinny was not in synch with Gibbs.

So the Post delivers a story that says, in essence, that Gibbs and Cerrato are at odds. And you expect the team to let that stand?

Gibbs was also pointed in noting that the Post story asked him and Vinny very different questions and interpreted their answers to show the two were not on the same page. And you believe the team should let that stand.

I

[Eparadox]

Look, Gibbs has got 4 more years on this team...he wants to max out his draft picks early, and then move into free agency near the end of his tenure.

[TK]

Wow.

Don't know how I missed this train wreck, but there's a few things here that weren't needed at all.


Originally posted by Gothtimus


Nor does your existance, but your mom still beat you didn't she?
Goth, that was totally uncalled for. That's a warning. Next time, it'll be a temp ban.

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Originally posted by MikeB


I disagree. It's obvious the thread was designed to irritate.
I'm almost inclined to agree. What say we give a bit more rope to hang himself with?


Originally posted by Giantone

..Ray Chales can see
Who?

[Park City Skins]

Ray Chales. You know. Ray Charles' 3rd cousin first removed sisters, brother's old roommate. :)

[I.M. Fletch]

Sean Taylor will be a problem every year. He's just very immature, childish, and selfish. He is a very talented player though, but like in the Dallas game...he'll blow it when the team really needs him.

The Redskins will never learn. They continue to trade valueable picks of the future away. I hate to say it, but I believe Joe Gibbs is out of his element in today's football. You might could trade away your picks 20 years ago, but not now.

[ArmchairRedskin]

It's not like what Dallas has been doing is working either. One 10-6 season in the midst of a bunch of 5-11 and 6-10 seasons. :rolleyes:

Also if you wanna judge Sean Taylor's career by his rookie season, then I you'd have to say Julius Jones will injury himself every year and miss the rest of every season.

Maybe you "might could" think about that before passing judgement on the Redskins next time.

[Dead Money]

Originally posted by Westbrook36


You are right. Gibbs doesn't want to win now.

I love how Skins fans get upset about things that are going on around the team and misguide their anger towards any fan of another team who has ANY opinion.

No, I think that you are quoting what you read or heard somewhere else without quoting it. Like Kiper for instance, he has been saying "Gibbs wants to win now" for days...

You heard that and repeated it because you don't have an opinion, you are just repeating what you heard IMHO.

:2cents:

[Giantone]

Originally posted by SkinsChick36
Why don't you go ahead and put up our cap troubles for next year before the draft so we can see the hell we're in for before we sign a big contract with a rookie...or maybe you really have no evidence...:doh:

Ok yer right what was I thinking it's only the Skins that don't have to worry about the cap .:puke:

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone


Ok yer right what was I thinking it's only the Skins that don't have to worry about the cap .:puke:

You brought this back to life after this long for that? :doh: Seems to me you were going get back to us after the draft on the dire straights of the Skins cap situation, ( which is...... interesting in its own right for a few reasons). So was that it? Tell us you had no idea what you were talking about? Or are you just holding out on all the details. Hope one of the 2 because right now all that says up above is basically "oh yeah?"

[TK]

I still find it funny that there's actually a giant troll.

Sad thing is, the eagle & boys fans here are more up to speed then him.

[Park City Skins]

That in itself could be a scary thought.

[Giantone]

Originally posted by TK-IV II I
I still find it funny that there's actually a giant troll.

Sad thing is, the eagle & boys fans here are more up to speed then him.

...wow.:laugh:

[TK]

See what I mean.

Giantone, we're not laughing with you.

[PapaDRoc]

Originally posted by Stricknine
You're an idiot.

Correctly stated :doh:

[Giantone]

Originally posted by Park City Skins


You brought this back to life after this long for that? :doh: Seems to me you were going get back to us after the draft on the dire straights of the Skins cap situation, ( which is...... interesting in its own right for a few reasons). So was that it? Tell us you had no idea what you were talking about? Or are you just holding out on all the details. Hope one of the 2 because right now all that says up above is basically "oh yeah?"

What did your draft picks sign for , oh that 's right you guys know everything about everything . Everyone in the NFL and in the Washington Media knows that the Skins will be in Cap hell next year not heaven as was previously report here ,yep it goes up 10%..so what ?
I'm a Giant troll what do you care what ever I say I'm wrong, Right?:notworthy

[green1975]

WELL JUST ASSUMING HERE, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY ARRINGTON WILL OPT OUT OF HIS CONTRACT SOME KIND OF WAY, THAT'S WHY JOE PROBABLY DRAFTED SOME INSURANCE.

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone


What did your draft picks sign for , oh that 's right you guys know everything about everything . Everyone in the NFL and in the Washington Media knows that the Skins will be in Cap hell nect year not heaven as was previosly report here ,yep it goes up 10%..so what ?
I'm a Giant troll what do you care what ever I say I'm wrong, Right?:notworthy

Sigh. Don't know everything about everything, but if the above is any example, it's safe to say we know more than you. You started this thread saying the Skins would be in cap hell. My bad. I assumed you knew the cap situation of the Redskins when you posted that. I should have known by a couple of the following posts you were just being a good little lemming and repeating that what you have heard or read, ( did I say read? :doh: ).

[wskin44]

The press doesn't understand the cap. There are folks on this board who really do understand the cap. From what I have learned from them the 2006 cap situation will be relatively problem free for the Redskins. 2005 was the tough year. You really have to dig for the information, which is not something sports reporters do. The Redskins should be able to do some serous but selective free agent shopping next year. My advice is to keep your eyes on the CBA negotiations and ignore the big name pundits who just mail it in.

[Giantone]

Originally posted by TK-IV II I
See what I mean.

Giantone, we're not laughing with you.

I see you have an ignore feature if I bother you that much use it,:notworthy

[Giantone]

Originally posted by wskin44
The press doesn't understand the cap. There are folks on this board who really do understand the cap. From what I have learned from them the 2006 cap situation will be relatively problem free for the Redskins. 2005 was the tough year. You really have to dig for the information, which is not something sports reporters do. The Redskins should be able to do some serous but selective free agent shopping next year. My advice is to keep your eyes on the CBA negotiations and ignore the big name pundits who just mail it in.
Brunell
Lavar
Portis
Janson
Moss(???)

how much of your cap space is gone in just those players ?

[TK]

Originally posted by Giantone


I see you have an ignore feature if I bother you that much use it,:notworthy
Actually, I have a better feature.

Think of it as a "Global Ignore".

http://www.punchstock.com/image/eyewire/3590727/large/han_066.jpg

[Park City Skins]

Originally posted by Giantone


I see you have an ignore feature if I bother you that much use it,:notworthy


:dunce: Okay. Who wants that one? Way to easy.


Originally posted by Giantone

Brunell
Lavar
Portis
Janson
Moss(???)

how much of your cap space is gone in just those players ?


Well, you're the one saying we're in cap hell and agreeing with the press. You tell us.

[wskin44]

Originally posted by Giantone

Brunell
Lavar
Portis
Janson
Moss(???)

how much of your cap space is gone in just those players ?

At last count the Skins have about $21 mil in option bonuses counting against the 2006 cap. The option is controled by the team, and allows the those bonuses to be prorated out a minimum of three more years. So what the press reads as as $21 mil in 2006 cap money will be reduced to $7 mil at the Skins discretion.

If a new CBA is signed then those bonuses could be pro-rated out even further than 3 years.

In addition the 2006 cap may see a significant increase due to new TV contracts and a new CBA. No one knows (guesses range beween $90 mil and $100 mil), but a safe bet is that the the 2006 cap will be $95 mil. Most press reports are assuming a much lower cap.

[CHUBAKAH]

This Giant guy had an age of 49 by his name. Are people really that uneducated in that area at 49?
:doh:

[wskin44]

I'm surprised that he could turn on his computer.

[PleaseBlitz]

Originally posted by Giantone

Brunell
Lavar
Portis
Janson
Moss(???)

how much of your cap space is gone in just those players ?


Man, i just wasted 11 minutes of my life. I was going to go into this one and mention the actually cap figures this year of each of these guys PLUS the cap relief AFTER this year with the departure of Lav AND the decisions to let go of Pierce and Smoot, AND get into the whole Sean Taylor thing. Then i considered my audience and his apparent understanding of the issues, then i just decided to write this.

[Blondie]

How did i miss THIS one?

I hate to miss an idiot driving by.

Blondie

[bulldog]

Bailey wanted to depart. He is gone. Coles wanted to depart. He is gone. Pierce I think was strictly up to the highest bidder. He would have played in Cleveland if they had offered $1 more than the Giants. Smoot could have returned and I think the move to let him go was a business decision.

So, players are leaving. Guys that for one reason or another don't fit into the long-term plan here.

And that is certainly part of Gibbs' plan. Bring in guys loyal to him and who are willing to give 100% without the attendant whining we have seen from some guys on this team from 2000-2003.

But Arrington won't be leaving. Neither will Taylor.

These guys are signed long-term and are not liabilities except they have big mouths and often speak at the wrong time. But I don't think in either case these players are true malcontents or guys that are looking to divide a locker room.