Changing gears.. list good personnel moves in the Snyder era

[LWC]

I'll start.

FA signing of Marcus Washington. That guy was a stud last year.
Great move.

[Califan007]

Are you only talking FA's??...Or the draft as well??

If FA's, the Griffin has to be on the list, too.

[forbeskin]

Your talking Snyder era in general? Well, then, bringing back Joe Gibbs!

[Jody]

Shawn Springs.

[Coach Williams]

what year did snyder come in ?

[Califan007]

Originally posted by KINGBRICE_28
what year did snyder come in ?
1999...but his personnel involvement didn't start until 2000.

Unless you count firing Casserly, in which case I'd count that in the "Good Moves" catagory as well... :laugh:

[LWC]

Any personnel move. Draft, free agency, whatever.

Drafting John Jansen, 2nd round, 6th pick. #37 overall.
1999.

[grassyglen]

Patrick Ramsey, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley. I forget. Was the the Arrington/Samuels draft in the Synder era?

[Califan007]

Another: Ray Rhodes as DC in 2000...that year, the defense went from 30th the previous year, to 4th overall. Nice call, Snyder... :thumbsup:

[Dead Money]

Well we took a risk on Walt harris when no one else would and he turned out to be a pretty good pickup!

[Califan007]

Originally posted by LWC
Any personnel move. Draft, free agency, whatever.

Drafting John Jansen, 2nd round, 6th pick. #37 overall.
1999.
That was before he officially became owner, though, so it shouldn't be counted as on his watch...

[Art]

There are a ton more good moves than there are bad moves and most of the bad moves can directly be attributed to coaching. Take Trotter for example. Clearly he was a high quality player the staff didn't use correctly. Davis was a player the coaches weren't really using at all.

Probably the worst move the team has made under Snyder turned out to be a smart move when made. Brunell.

The biggest blunders happened under Snyder when Marty was in charge, including giving George a huge contract and cutting him months later, and cutting Centers for having his hat on in a meeting.

[Califan007]

Originally posted by grassyglen
Patrick Ramsey, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley. I forget. Was the the Arrington/Samuels draft in the Synder era?
Yep, it was his first draft as Redskins owner, I believe...

[LWC]

Yeah, Arrington and Samuels was in 2000. Which brings up another good move they made in 99. Moved down to allow the Saints to draft RW. Ended up taking Champ at #7 in round 1.
Used the 1st rounder in 2000 to move up to grab the Samuels/Arrington combo.

[Art]

Originally posted by Califan007
Another: Ray Rhodes as DC in 2000...that year, the defense went from 30th the previous year, to 4th overall. Nice call, Snyder... :thumbsup:

Agreed. And, of course, Smith and Sanders were great players for us in that defense and were very helpful making the leap. Sanders wasn't his former great self, but played well for us in his year.

[Califan007]

Originally posted by Art


Agreed. And, of course, Smith and Sanders were great players for us in that defense and were very helpful making the leap. Sanders wasn't his former great self, but played well for us in his year.
With the offense Norv (finally) got the Skins to generate the season before...and having it lead to the playoffs...I'm not at all surprised Snyder tried to go full-board on defense the next season. From the #4 defensive ranking and a 6-2 start, it seemed like a successful move at the time.

[LWC]

Originally posted by Art
Probably the worst move the team has made under Snyder turned out to be a smart move when made. Brunell.

The biggest blunders happened under Snyder when Marty was in charge, including giving George a huge contract and cutting him months later, and cutting Centers for having his hat on in a meeting. [/B]

Let's try to keep this thread positive!!! :D

[Califan007]

Two more: Antonio Pierce and Fred Smoot...just because they're no longer on the team doesn't negate their "Good Move" status...

[Canadian Hog]

The fact of the matter is that we can go through this exercise with any team in the National Football League and find a series of good moves, and a series of terrible moves for each.

What totally upsets me is the fact that there seems to be a double standard in this league, whereby everybody else's bad moves are forgiven, while those made by the Redskins are magnified by the media on an enormous scale.

Nobody is perfect in this league. If you don't believe me, ask the Eagles, who are still trying to find a way to win a Super Bowl. Funny thing is that they are supposedly one of the "models" on which to build a franchise, while we represent everything that shouldn't be done to build a winner, according to the media.

With the parity in this league, and the potential for a team to come around in the matter of a season, I couldn't give a rat's ***** how much quicker the likes of the Eagles are progressing as opposed to us.

It comes down to championships, and there are 30 other teams in this league who have repeatedly failed in that regard alongside our Redskins over the years.

[Mr. S]

agreeing with Art, we may hate Bruce Smith and Deion, but they played hard for us, and in Bruce's case, a few years. Also a good underrated signing, Joe Salave'a, that guy has performed well for us, and re-signed for a pretty low salary.

[TheLongshot]

Originally posted by Califan007
Two more: Antonio Pierce and Fred Smoot...just because they're no longer on the team doesn't negate their "Good Move" status...

Funny thing is, you can credit Shottenheimer for Pierce.

Jason

[LWC]

Originally posted by Canadian Hog

What totally upsets me is the fact that there seems to be a double standard in this league, whereby everybody else's bad moves are forgiven, while those made by the Redskins are magnified by the media on an enormous scale.


BINGO. That's kind of the reason I started this thread. Tyring to remind all of us that it's not doom and gloom all the time, especially under Snyder's ownership. But you don't hear about the good personnel moves that the Redskins have made. If Snyder/Cerrato were to blame for poor choices, shouldn't they be commended or applauded for GOOD moves? But I think a writer would be laughed at, or an editor would red line something that said "Snyder made a good choice by ....."

[atloldskin]

Snyder brought in Joe Gibbs! The rest don't matter.

[LWC]

Expanding on that thought a bit. OK, I don't follow Colts news. But here is a team that is just dying for defense. Every analyst says if this team has a defense... yadda yadda yadda.

So last year, they lose M. Washington to the Skins via UR FA. Isn't that very similar to what DC has just gone through with Smoot and Pierce?

Within the media, was there a public outrage over this decision?
Polian must be an idiot, right? TIC.

[DjTj]

Don't forget the Jetskins...

Randy Thomas has proven to be a great signing and an anchor on our line.
Laveranues was a legit number one receiver and a Pro Bowler.
John Hall has been a solid kicker that kept us in some close games.
Even Morton produced well while he was healthy.

[Califan007]

Originally posted by TheLongshot


Funny thing is, you can credit Shottenheimer for Pierce.

Jason
And you can credit Snyder, the "mettling, hands-on, interfering" owner for giving Marty the authority TO make a move with someone like Pierce... ;)

[Larry]

Rock Cartwright :)

I'll second the JetSkins

Trading down and getting Ramsey in the right place.

Under the heading of "profiting from other teams' stupidity", Smoot in the 2nd round. (And the JetSkins). :)

[scruffylookin]

Marco Coleman and Larry Centers.

Two guys who were sitting at home and Snyder "suggested" we go get them. Both guys were instant leaders and were big pieces to our one and only playoff team in a over a decade.

I think the only non-Gibbs Redskins play I can watch over and over and over again and never get tired of is Larry Centers catching that swing pass in OT in SF.

"Larry Centers....wide open....and the Redskins will win the NFC East!!!!"

[BillyKilmer]

Keeping Jon Jansen under contract
Trading up for Cooley
Letting Joe have the budget to get Greg Williams
Marcus Washington a pro bowl LB

[MidPennSkin]

Two other good things the Skins did under Snyder:

Picking up Daryl Gardener and getting a great year's production out of him.

Getting rid of DarylGardener without paying him the outrageous money Denver gave him.

[jpskins04]

casserly drafted jansen and bailey and made the moves which allowed synder to draft samuels/arrington. (saints/panthers trades).
I'm not a marty fan but he made some solid moves - drafted smoot/gardner and signed pierce as a free agent. And one very good move - he fired cerrato.

every team in the league makes good moves (even arizona occasionally). the redskins just make more bad ones than any team in the league.

[Park City Skins]

jp, it just may be because we're Redskins fans that it appears as though the Skins make more bad moves than anybody in the league. I mean, you did mention Arizona didn't you? :)

[Thinking Skins]

Yeah, this is the kind of thread I like to see.

Canadian Hog, I'm glad to see you say what you said about the double standard cause its definately true. Its like we've been labeled the Anti-Christ of Free Agency, so the job of the NFL Braocasters is to preach against us and our actions.

[LightenupSandyBaby]

Joe Gibbs, marcus washington,

[bedlamVR]

Jessy Armsted was a great move and cheap .

Getting SOMETHING for Bailey and Coles when they wanted out . Coles could have easily dragged the offence down again with his negativity and we essentially got Portis and Springs for what Denver paid for Bailey

If you want to discount Bailey and Jansen yu also have to consider one of the worst Redskins decisions in recent years of letting Trent Green go without even trying to resign him was a Norv/Carlie C brain trust move.

[Bonef1de]

Originally posted by BillyKilmer
Keeping Jon Jansen under contract
Trading up for Cooley
Letting Joe have the budget to get Greg Williams
Marcus Washington a pro bowl LB

:cheers: :point2sky :cheers:

[Bonef1de]

Originally posted by Bonef1de


:cheers: :point2sky :cheers:


I think that we made a series of bad moves at the time when 24 hour/ repeating every 30 min sports news became main stream. The media smelled blood like a tiger shark and have been attacking us ever since.

Going 10 - 6 and we can all tell Pastabelly and the rest of the writers around the nation. :finger:

[GoDannyBoy]

I am hoping that they give Taylor Jacobs a chance to play. I think the guy has the determination to be a good player in this league.

[SkinsFTW]

Getting rid of Norv was the 2nd best move ever (after hiring Gibbs) but the timing was bad. Getting rid of Nolan was a winner as well. I can't believe the 9ers are letting that guy run the draft for them.

Signing Marty was good, too bad he wasnt given more than one season but I wouldn't like seeing the Skins make the playoffs every year and lose. Its much better to see the Eagles represent the division with that tendency.

Not signing Kearse or TO last year were 2 more great moves.