9, 25, and Gardner to Dolphins for their second overall? KFFL reporting.....

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Redskins | Could Package Deal to Move Up to No. 2 Pick - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:32 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could offer their two first-round draft choices (No. 9 and No. 25 overall) along with WR Rod Gardner to the Miami Dolphins for the No. 2 overall draft choice.

[DonMagicJuan]

this is old i think...well someone already posted this but yeah, i think its BULL**** because it says REDSKINS COULD....all smoke being thrown...

[wwninja420]

All these rumors. I dont like this one at all, so I guess I'll just say what happens, happens. I trust Gibbs completely so I cant hate on him now.

[EvoSkins]

49ers | Unlikely to Trade Down, Plan to Select No. 1 Pick - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:11:08 -0700

Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan said he knows which player he plans to select with the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft and while the team has entertained offers to trade down, there is a good chance they will not work out a deal to move out of the top overall slot. As reported, the candidates for the 49ers to select are believed to be QBs Aaron Rodgers (California) and Alex Smith (Utah) along with WR Braylon Edwards (Michigan).

[skinstzar]

They better throw in Jason Taylor. That would make 5 players for one and I don't think we would do that without some veteran in return.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

That sounds stupid. The 9/25 should be enough to move up(maybe throw in a late pick to make the value match.)

Gardner too? Now, if it were Gardner and the 9, sure.

[LightenupSandyBaby]

Originally posted by DonMagicJuan
this is old i think...well someone already posted this but yeah, i think its BULL**** because it says REDSKINS COULD....all smoke being thrown...

as much as I would like to believe this bull.... i wouldn't put it pass Snyder to make that kind of a bone head move!

[Sarge]

And here I thought we'd pick up some lunch pail O-linemen.

I smell a danny in any trade of this nature

[SEANTAYLORISDAMAN]

i love that idea skinstzar, a guy like jason taylor would be perfect, but, i hate the idea of this trade, maaan would this suck

[Jimbo]

Because Nolan is playing it close to the vest, no trade with the Fins would materialize until the Niners make their pick so while all of these possibilities are floating about, nothing will happen until then.

[zoony]

not gonna happen

[TODD]

I think it very well could happen. I don't see us standing pat with that #25 pick w/ our 9, especially now with Pac-Man a shoe-in for #6.

[Park City Skins]

Here is what just popped up about 4 mins ago on Google.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10473-2005Apr22.html

Redskins Poised to Trade Up in Today's Uncertain Draft

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 23, 2005; Page D01

The Washington Redskins remained well positioned to move into the top of today's NFL draft as team officials remained huddled at Redskins Park last night assessing their options.

The Redskins hold the ninth and 25th picks in the first round and, according to numerous league sources, have made it clear to clubs with picks at the top that they are willing to talk trade.

The Redskins have identified Michigan receiver Braylon Edwards as the best player available, sources said, and scheduled a final conference-call interview between him and team officials yesterday. When asked about the conversation with Edwards, Coach Joe Gibbs responded, "We're talking to a lot of people right now."

Gibbs said last night that the Redskins would continue to look at various scenarios through late in the evening and he expected to be back at Redskins Park very early. The draft begins at noon.

Like other teams interested in moving up, the Redskins' ability to consummate a trade for a pick in the top three or four remained clouded by the uncertainty that has defined the days leading up to the draft. Most experts agree there is no clear No. 1 player, leading many teams, including San Francisco, which holds that first pick, to consider several scenarios. The Redskins have approached every team in the league about either trading up or down, team officials have said, but with the 49ers still signaling that they might take Edwards or trade down rather than take a quarterback with the first selection as of last night, other deals remained in limbo. Miami is eager to deal the second pick, several league sources said, and as of last night trades with Washington, Cleveland (third overall pick) and Tampa Bay (fifth overall) were all possible.

Multiple sources who have spoken with teams picking in the top 10 believe that the Dolphins remain the Redskins' most likely trade partner, with Miami seeking to add numerous picks under new Coach Nick Saban. However, the Redskins likely would not put a firm offer on the table until they could be assured that Edwards would be there, league sources said, and although sources close to quarterback Alex Smith believe he will be taken by San Francisco with the top pick, until that determination is final, any such deal would be on hold. The Redskins have not expressed interest in Smith, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, and appear to be focusing their efforts to trade up on Edwards. Washington's willingness to deal receiver Rod Gardner, a former No. 1 pick, could also help complete a deal.

The 49ers could take their allotted 15 minutes to select today, attempting to get last-minute offers, which could provoke a team to make a better offer to land a player they feel could not be selected otherwise. Barring the 49ers taking Edwards, or trading the pick to a team that drafts him, several league sources believed the Redskins could put together a strong package to get the second-overall pick. If Washington were to deal those two picks to move up, it would be parting with five total draft picks -- including three first-rounders -- over two trades in order to land the player. The Redskins have not drafted a star receiver since taking Art Monk in the first round in 1980.

The Redskins' ability to trade up crystallized Monday night, when Washington sent its first- and fourth-round picks in 2006 and its third-round pick in 2005 to Denver to acquire the 25th overall pick. Several league sources suggested that the Redskins were gearing up for a run at Edwards, who has a combination of speed and size but was not rated the top receiver by some teams because of a propensity to drop passes. Team officials said the trade was made to give the team flexibility to trade up, move down or use number-one picks in a draft that is deep at cornerback and receiver, the positions to which the Redskins devoted a bulk of their pre-draft player interviews.

If the team does not trade up for a wide receiver, it could still select one today. Mike Williams, formerly of USC; Troy Williamson, South Carolina; Mark Clayton, Oklahoma; and Roddy White, Alabama-Birmingham; are projected first-round receivers in whom the team has shown interest.

Washington also is seeking reinforcement of its defensive line and a source suggested last night that Shawne Merriman of Maryland and David Pollack of Georgia both have impressed team management.

Furthermore, Washington showed interest in Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, with Gibbs visiting him Tuesday; should the Redskins keep both top picks, he could be an option with the 25th choice.

The Redskins have thoroughly scouted the top three cornerbacks available -- Carlos Rogers, Antrel Rolle and Adam Jones -- and one of those players has a strong chance of being selected should the team use its ninth pick. League sources have indicated that Rogers would be the front-runner, but one or more cornerbacks could be gone by the ninth pick. The Redskins could also trade down from the ninth pick or the 25th pick to add more depth to their draft as well.

The team currently holds five picks in this weekend's draft, with selections in the fourth round (112), sixth round (183) and seventh round (222) as well. The Redskins could look at linebacker, offensive line and quarterback on the second day of the draft.

Redskins Notes: Fans can attend the team's draft-day party at FedEx Field today from 11 a.m.-6 p.m. Coach Joe Gibbs will address the crowd on the field at some point, and players including Ray Brown, Rock Cartwright and Chris Cooley are scheduled to be on hand. . . . Of the 75 players currently on the roster, 16 were drafted by the Redskins, and only six were taken after the third round.

[BruinSkin]

Alright let's get some logic straight here. It would not be 5 players for 1. Why? If we didn't make the Denver trade, we'd have the #9, 3rd round pick, next year's 1st and 4th. That's 4 total picks. We traded 3 picks for the 25. If we were to trade the #9 and #25 for the #2, that would equal us trading the #9, 3rd, 1st, and 4th for the #2. That's 4 picks for 1. A total of 5 picks in the end but NOT 5 players.

[Sarge]

OK, so how many of us thought Mike Ditka was a dumbass when he did virtually the same thing to get Ricky "Up in Smoke" Williams?

C'mon, I know you're out there. Raise your hands

[RunPortisRun]

I betting we trade up from #9 to #6.

Lebron = next Magic Jonhnson

RunPortisRun = Next Andyman

[Park City Skins]

Another story.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/11466425.htm

Dolphins discussing trade possibilities with No. 2 overall pick

BY ARMANDO SALGUERO AND JASON COLE

Knight Ridder Newspapers


MIAMI - (KRT) - Nick Saban's first Dolphins draft might offer a boon of picks or talent.

Or both.

The Dolphins could find themselves in position to trade the second overall pick on Saturday for multiple picks - a palatable possibility for a team that must address several roster voids and hopes to rebound from a 4-12 record.

The Washington Redskins, who hold the ninth and 25th picks, seem to be Miami's most likely trade partner, but the Dolphins also have discussed trade parameters with Tampa Bay and Minnesota.

The Cleveland Browns, who hold the third pick, also joined the trade talks with Miami in recent days.

Every team Miami talked to reportedly wants one of two players: Michigan receiver Braylon Edwards or Utah quarterback Alex Smith.

The Redskins are so focused on Edwards that the player's representative, Peter Schaffer, confirmed Friday that Washington called to set up a meeting to talk about Edwards. That meeting was supposed to happen in the evening and possibly include contract discussions.

Although the Redskins might not have the necessary equity in their two first-round picks to acquire Miami's No. 2 pick, it is possible they can also trade receiver Rod Gardner, a four-year starter and former first-round selection.

The Dolphins likely won't decide whether to trade down or use their pick until sometime around 12:17 p.m. today, when they get 15 minutes on the draft clock.

[Kilmer]

This would be bad...actually my worst nightmare.

I pray that this not the plan.

We need more quality players on the team, not another prima donna.

[Tarhog]

Well, which is it Jason? Are the Redskins 'well-positioned', or are they 'poised'. Theres a difference.

[GoDannyBoy]

I would be happier taking Chris Spencer or David Baas at 25 and using the nine on CB than taking Edwards. Another WR isn't going to help if the line can't hold up.

[rdavis2005]

If this goes through, it is a stupid move. We don't have any money to give to Pierce or Smoot but we have millions of dollars as well as multiple draft picks to give to unproven receivers. Paying Moss and Edwards both 25+ million sucks!!! Not to mention the 9 million hit for trading Coles. If we were going to invest this much money into the position why not go out and get Randy Moss, he would of still probably commanded 2 first rounders but at least you're getting a legit superstar. Nothing against Edwards but to give away 4 picks plus Gardner is too much for any player.

[sealskin]

Ok, this would kind of suck. I find it hard to believe we would go out and get two receivers in free agency; then turn around and draft Edwards. We should stand pat and hope Williams falls to us. Williams may be alot like Keyshaun physically but is that a bad thing? I dont like Johnson but he is a very good possession receiver (just what we need). It would be too much to give up to move up and get Edwards. Receiver and tackle are the two positions too risky to make this type of deal. There really is no sure thing. Edwards is talented but I would prefer Mike over him. If Williams is taken before us I hope we take Rogers and Miller. Miller may not be Gonzalez but he reminds me of dallas tightend (name escapes me, from Tennessee). Miller and Cooley would open up the middle of the field for Ramsey and provide a good safety valve for him. Moss, Patten and Jacobs can stretch the field. New England, Indianapolis and Philthy used two tightend sets with good results last year. This would also open up the play action and stop the eight man fronts Portis had too deal with so much. Our O-line if healthy is solid right now with decent depth. Williams or Miller would be the better options in my opion.

[Oldskool]

If we want to trade up we can still get a deal done with either Tennessee or Tampa and still have a 2nd round pick.

I dont see why we need to go all the way to #1 or #2

[Oldskool]

Originally posted by RunPortisRun
I betting we trade up from #9 to #6.

Lebron = next Magic Jonhnson

RunPortisRun = Next Andyman

dont toot your horn too much, ive been putting out this senario for a few weeks now ;)

[richard saunders]

Originally posted by Park City Skins


By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 23, 2005; Page D01


If Washington were to deal those two picks to move up, it would be parting with five total draft picks -- including three first-rounders -- over two trades in order to land the player. The Redskins have not drafted a star receiver since taking Art Monk in the first round in 1980.



He's right, we haven't drafted a star wide receiver since Art Monk. But, no one can know for sure that Edwards will be either.

Sometimes I feel like they're going back and forth....one side telling us it would be a boneheaded move, and the other side baiting us with these kind of comments.

Either way they'll bash us...

[Skins3000]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sealskin
Ok, this would kind of suck. I find it hard to believe we would go out and get two receivers in free agency; then turn around and draft Edwards. We should stand pat and hope Williams falls to us. Williams may be alot like Keyshaun physically but is that a bad thing? I dont like Johnson but he is a very good possession receiver (just what we need). It would be too much to give up to move up and get Edwards. Receiver and tackle are the two positions too risky to make this type of deal. There really is no sure thing. Edwards is talented but I would prefer Mike over him. If Williams is taken before us I hope we take Rogers and Miller. Miller may not be Gonzalez but he reminds me of dallas tightend (name escapes me, from Tennessee). Miller and Cooley would open up the middle of the field for Ramsey and provide a good safety valve for him. Moss, Patten and Jacobs can stretch the field. New England, Indianapolis and Philthy used two tightend sets with good results last year. This would also open up the play action and stop the eight man fronts Portis had too deal with so much. Our O-line if healthy is solid right now with decent depth. Williams or Miller would be the better options in my opion. [/QUOTE

Only one tight end goes out on a two tight end set because one have to block because a lineman is out or the quarterback will get crushed. More or less Miller and Cooley are not blocking tight ends so the likely hood of them both being on the field in a two tight end set is slim. The only way you would see Miller and Cooley on the field at the same time, if Miller lines up in the slot.

[Synergist]

That is way too much,, If we gave all that up we would get pounded in the press..

[>>Spearhead>>]

Don't discount the fact that the 9 and/or 25 packaged with Gardner could still just go for more picks.

I'm glad it will be over soon because I have a bad feeling about what this FO is about to do....

[spanishomelette]

A trade up sounds and feels bad to me. Edwards drops passes?..We stll have Gardner for that .. so far.

[Sarge]

I have a bad feeling about this................

Actually, I'm about to :puke:

[mookie0720]

This would be one of the worst trades in the history of football.

Seriously, there is virtually no player in football who would go for 2 #1's and a decent player.

God I hope we don't do this, our front office can't be THIS stupid.

[Califan007]

It's so funny how everyone was saying "Trade Gardner for a bag of chips and a tuna sandwich"....that is, until he's rumored to actually BE traded. Now, giving up the equivalent of a tuna sandwich and chips is "too much" to help move into the #2 spot...lol

By the way, I don't buy for a nanosecond that the Skins are gonna do it...

[JeffSchmeff]

Just say no to Heath Miller. He reminds me of another Anthony Becht.

I think the Skins might make the move up to #2 with the Fins to get Edwards. If we do, lets all hope that he can be a big year 1 producer. The picks the Vikings have are too high to give up for #2, and with this draft generally being regarded as lacking in star power, I don't know how the Dolphins can justify turning us down with this offer. They are lacking in total picks in this draft, and Saban wants to bring in a bunch of people. Hell, they might even be able to snag Rodgers at 9 if SF takes Smith. Also, getting rid of Gardner makes no difference to us since he's in the last year of his deal, and we don't want some disgruntled ball dropper playing for us anyway.

:2cents:

[techiecool]

they trade down from the 9. it's the only logical thing to do. and to be honest cb is not the most important need along defense...it's a DE. last year if it weren't for beyond belief cb play we'd have gotten killed on defense...no pass rush. i'd say their going to trade down a few spots and take merriman/ware. and at 25 they'll go wr. i think g. williams is a big fan of that kid wilds. hey the pats one w/ a ton of rookie CBs.

[ryerye05]

Merrimen is extremelyoverated. Keep the 9 and draft m williams and use the 25th on a remaining corner (washington,jackson,etc)