View Full Version : Grunfeld's Third Move Will Be Trade of Jamison
bulldog
April-21st-2006, 11:15 PM
Gilbert Arenas was the first move in bringing the team back to respectability.
The trade that shipped troublemaker Kwame Brown to LA for Caron Butler was the second move that provided a second scorer so teams could not key on Arenas outside.
The final move for this team is to make a trade and break the logjam up front.
I think enough time has passed for everyone to see that Thomas and Haywood are not the answer inside.
Antawn Jamison playing the PF spot is good enough to help get the Wizards into the playoffs, but for this team to really be a contender a player with his skills and size should be at small forward.
The trouble is there isn't anyone in the pipeline at PF or C if Jamison plays the SF.
So, it appears Grunfeld's only asset (assuming Arenas and Butler stay) to deal for a proven front court defender and rebounder is Jamison.
Andray Blatche is an interesting player at 6'11 who has good overall skills but is still too far away for the team to count on him in 2007 for any real push in the East.
If the Wizards are going to be better than the #5 seed this time next year there has to be a shakeup of the roster at the 4 and 5 spots.
the burgundy and gold
April-21st-2006, 11:23 PM
Ben Wallace is going to be a free agent(unless resigned). We'd be rediculas if we signed him again.
Chachie
April-21st-2006, 11:26 PM
Keep AJ. Send the 2 bigs and a small for 1 BIG.
GOSKINS_08
April-21st-2006, 11:32 PM
I think Jermaine Oneal is also a FA.
Skins11
April-21st-2006, 11:34 PM
I think Jermaine Oneal is also a FA.
That would be intriguing. The guy is really injury-prone though.
We did have "the next Jermaine O'Neale" in Kwame Brown just a year ago :laugh:
Big C
April-21st-2006, 11:41 PM
actually jamison is grundfeld's "2nd move" since he traded for him one year after we got gilbert.
PCRoughrider
April-21st-2006, 11:48 PM
We don't need a replacement for Jamison, we need a player, in addition to, Jamison.
bulldog
April-22nd-2006, 12:23 AM
but that's the trouble. the Wizards aren't going to be picking high enough in the draft to find an impact player up front unless they are VERY lucky in having someone free fall.
in order to get something good you have to give up something good. especially now as the Clippers and Cavaliers are no longer giving away their good young players.
in this case I think the Wizards can recover from the loss of Jamison's scoring touch if the club is able to finally get the defensive push and rebounding it has been missing.
Big C
April-22nd-2006, 02:01 AM
isnt al harrington a free agent aside from ben wallace? like ive said before, a strong rebounding center would be the perfect aquisition for us. however, if we cant get anyone, al harrington would be a decent option at PF and slide jamison to SF, Butler to SG. though we will lose some defense
Winslowalrob
April-22nd-2006, 04:32 AM
AJ is unfreakintouchable. Gibby is amazing, but he is not a leader, and Ernie knows that AJ has to be around for his leadership ablities alone. And he is a freakin nasty player to boot. Quit hatin on AJ, our team is fine and we don't, I repeat DON'T lose games because of freakin AJ and his position at PF.
no1fanofno21
April-22nd-2006, 08:35 AM
no one is gonna trade for jamisons big contract. What happened to John Ramos?!?!
nuposse87
April-22nd-2006, 12:00 PM
Nene anyone?
Warhead36
April-22nd-2006, 12:02 PM
What about Jamison, Blatche, and a 1st to Toronto for Chris Bosh? Bosh is a FA, so it would have to be a sign and trade.
Arenas, Butler, and Bosh is a SICK combo that could make us an instant title contender. Bosh is still young so trading Blatche isn't a big deal, and the 1st is like 18th overall so it's not that big of a deal to give it away.
Toronto would keep Jamison for a year, then trade him in the summer of 07, because Jamison's contract expires in 08 and in 07 he'll be a very valuable trading piece as it's something like $15 Mil expiring.
PresidentClinton07
April-22nd-2006, 01:31 PM
Nene anyone?
Hes good...but for what we are expecting ....hes not good enough.
MIKEWINK44
April-22nd-2006, 02:05 PM
Jamison is not going anywhere. He is the team leader in the locker room and we started making the playoffs when he was here. 39 double-doubles this year. I think he's staying.
A better move would be to try and get something for Haywood, who doesn't get along with EJ, or Thomas. Thomas has a huge contract though so he might be hard to move. There was no intrest at the trade deadline this year in Etan.
IBleedBurgundy&Gold
April-22nd-2006, 02:09 PM
Jamison is not going anywhere. He is the team leader in the locker room and we started making the playoffs when he was here. 39 double-doubles this year. I think he's staying.
A better move would be to try and get something for Haywood, who doesn't get along with EJ, or Thomas. Thomas has a huge contract though so he might be hard to move. There was no intrest at the trade deadline this year in Etan.
I agree AJ stays.Haywood hopefully starts playing with more heart and signing Etan to that huge contract was the worst thing FO ever did. No one wants that bum.WHat is his vertical 6 in.?
redskinedwizard
April-22nd-2006, 04:58 PM
THIS IS EXACTLLY WHAT I BEEN SAYING! IF U COULD SEARCH, IN PRE-SEASON I SAID THIS SAME ****! WITH JAMISON AT PF WE CANNOT PROGRESS! trade him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kreitmaster
April-22nd-2006, 09:45 PM
I know it was one horrendous game, but Jamison's performance today is exactly why I wanted to trade him. Forget the horrific shooting, the big men man-handled us because we couldn't get a board when our C was guarding the shooter and Arenas was nowhere. We need a PF that can board. I don't mind Jamison at the 3 and Butler at the 2, but Jamison at the 4 has got to end.
Nighthawk
April-23rd-2006, 11:43 AM
which is why we need to get a starting power forward, so we can move AJ to SF and keep Butler at SG with Arenas at PG. When AD comes in a PG, Arenas moves to SG and Butler moves to SF.
EG is a lot smarter than me but I just don't see him trading AJ. Like everybody has said, he's a team leader on the floor and in the locker room.
clathel
April-23rd-2006, 07:33 PM
which is why we need to get a starting power forward, so we can move AJ to SF and keep Butler at SG with Arenas at PG. When AD comes in a PG, Arenas moves to SG and Butler moves to SF.
EG is a lot smarter than me but I just don't see him trading AJ. Like everybody has said, he's a team leader on the floor and in the locker room.
Agreed...we also need a C though....We have 2 draft picks, Haywood, Etan, Hayes and JJ to trade so we should be able to get some good value at those 2 positions for that.
Big C
April-23rd-2006, 10:12 PM
the only way i would trade jeffries is if we got a player like battier (excellent defender)to replace him. jeffries is by far our best defender, and if we lost him, we would give up 120 ppg. haywood has some trade value, id look to package him with a draft pick in order to get some more front court help. we have the 18th pick in the draft, i dont know what prospects will be there, and that pick doesnt have a ton of trade value really
santanaistheman
April-23rd-2006, 10:40 PM
AJ will definitely stay. I agree that we definitely need a force down low but to trade AJ with the toughness, leadership, and versitility that he brings is not the answer. If we trade anyone it will be haywood, thomas, or hayes. I expect at least 2 of those 3 to be gone next year and that we will aggressively pursue the elite big man that we have needed for so long.
KillaCam21
April-23rd-2006, 11:04 PM
Jamison should go. We can no longer afford to have him playing the 4 and because the other SFs on the team are all younger, less expensive, and better defenders, I think Jamison is the odd man out. With Butler, Jeffries, and Hayes we have enough wing players. We need to bring in a guy that can score from the post, block shots, and run the floor. I was watching the Indiana game today, and one of the commentators mentioned that Jermaine O'Neal might be traded by the Pacers if they don't go deep in the playoffs. I'm weary of JO because of his injury problems, but besides that, I think he's a perfect fit for team. I think EG will pull off a trade this offseason to get us a stud PF, and I think he has to trade Jamison in order to do that.
arenasisgod
April-24th-2006, 01:08 AM
Nene anyone?
The deal I propose is Jarvis Hayes for Nene.
The nuggs are in need of three point shooting and I think that if Jarvis can possibly keep his knee in one piece, he can provide that. Both are coming off of knee surgery, so I see both of their injury history giving pause to inquiring gms. They both make about the same salary too.
arenasisgod
April-24th-2006, 01:09 AM
and tawn is golden. Trading him would be team suicide. Trust
redskinedwizard
April-24th-2006, 05:21 PM
it would be suicide cause Arenas would probably have a hissy fit.
TaylorPickSix
April-24th-2006, 06:02 PM
why trade jamison? i don't see how that could HELP this team, unless you bring in someone like a Shaq or a Brand to play center or forward. Otherwise don't break up a good thing.
Keep Jamison and sign a big name FA.
KillaCam21
April-24th-2006, 09:07 PM
why trade jamison? i don't see how that could HELP this team, unless you bring in someone like a Shaq or a Brand to play center or forward. Otherwise don't break up a good thing.
Keep Jamison and sign a big name FA.
We can't afford a big name free agent because we're at the cap. The only way we can afford a big name free agent is if Jamison, Arenas, Butler, or Etan Thomas and Brendan Haywood are moved. Even then we'll likely only be able to get that free agent in the offseason after the upcoming one. The only way to complete this team right now is to make a trade and Jamison is the only player on the team with the value needed to make a move, who also has a cap number that would match the cap number of a player that would be worth trading for. And no, we wont find someone that's willing to take Etan Thomas AND Brendan Haywood off of our hands.
Before you suggest getting some big name free agent, maybe you should have some idea of how the NBA salary cap works.
TaylorPickSix
April-24th-2006, 10:10 PM
With the way the Knicks spent money I was under the impression there wasn't an actual cap in the NBA :laugh:.
In all seriousness, I just don't think it would help this team any to trade AJ when, like arenasisgod said, he is big in the locker room and on the floor.
GOSKINS_08
April-25th-2006, 12:09 AM
I think we should keep Jamison...I really like Jamison how he plays, he can score, and makes some nice shots...He also shoots the 3 very well.
clathel
April-25th-2006, 12:25 AM
AJ is key to this team.
justin_totti10
April-25th-2006, 08:32 AM
we shouldnt trade AJ because he is soooooo vicious in NBA 2K6
Fatty P For The Pulitzer
April-25th-2006, 09:11 AM
Jamison won't be traded. He means too much to the team. Ideally, you want a PF who is a low post monster who can score and board down low. Jamison is not a low post monster, but he can score and board. What we need is a PF/C to play alongside him. Haywood is worthless, and Etan would rather put his energy into his poetry. 6 boards combined from Haywood and Etan is not going to cut it. One of them has to go. If the Knicks really are interested in JJ, we should work out a sign-and-trade and make them take Haywood. We should try to throw in a first too to get Channing Frye and take an expiring contract like Mo Tayler from them. As for the draft, both UConn big men (Armstrong and Boone) should be around at #18. I'd take either one of them in a heartbeat and start them over Haywood and Etan.
And I'm not sure why some people seem to be pinning the Wiz's bad D on Jamison. No one on the team is a good one-on-one defender. JJ is ok because of his length and athleticism, but that's about it. What we need is someone to teach them how to play team D. One of the reasons that a team like Detroit has a great D is that when a player gets beat, everyone instantly knows where to move to so that the man is picked up, and no scorers are left open. The Wiz run around like chickens with their heads cut off when a defender gets beat because EJ has no clue what D is.
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