Mountaineers national champs and skins superbowl champs

[WVUforREDSKINS]

This is a possiblity....What a season it would be for me as a fan of both. I'm just bored and had to post that.


:dallasuck

[diesel22]

I do not believe Rodriguez's offense is set up to win a national championship. It provides a lot of thrills for fans but when they get into a game where they have to man up and run down the clock, I don't see that zone running play doing the trick ( especially with a TB who is likely 185 lbs soaking wet.) That kid can fly -- and fits the offense well. I am just not sure that the system and personnel are what's needed to win a championship. I do give them a hell of a lot of credit for holding on agains UGA though -- showed a lot of guts not to fold when GA started storming back.

[rincewind]

Hey Diesel -

[Inxsive]

This is a possiblity....What a season it would be for me as a fan of both. I'm just bored and had to post that.


:dallasuck


I didn't realize that the NCAA had a coal mining league. If you're talking football you guys have a decent chance this year since you don't have to play the Hokies anymore.:cheers:

[Jody]

I'd bet the Hokies are pretty glad they don't have to play WV this year.

[Inxsive]

I'd bet the Hokies are pretty glad they don't have to play WV this year.

Well, WVU was pretty good last year and got blown out at home by 17 to the Hokies. WVU is the best of the remains considering the top 3 teams left the conference. Hokies might struggle some this year as they recover from dirtbag Vick hurting the program.

[Jody]

Top 3 teams left the conference? I don't think so.

But I do agree on the "dirtbag Vick" comment.

[diesel22]

Hey Diesel -
Attached Imageshttp://www.extremeskins.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24323&stc=1



You know it -- Hail to the Victors Valiant !!

http://www.skylinepictures.com/UM_Wolverines_m25_large.jpg

[SkinsHokieFan]

Top 3 teams left the conference? I don't think so.

But I do agree on the "dirtbag Vick" comment.


WVU is 4th at best in the ACC

Damnit, here we go again, we did have a thread specifically set up for this, and now its ruined!!!!

[PleaseBlitz]

WVU is 4th at best in the ACC

Damnit, here we go again, we did have a thread specifically set up for this, and now its ruined!!!!


4th best in the ACC????? C'mon. VT beat WVU before they had their 2 stars, Slaton and White breakout, and before VT's annual late season meltdown. These 2 guys BOTH are getting Heisman love, Slaton especially.

WVU is top 5 preseason judging by every poll that has come out so far.


PS. WVU for Redskins.....you just made a whole bunch of friends man. :cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

I do not believe Rodriguez's offense is set up to win a national championship. It provides a lot of thrills for fans but when they get into a game where they have to man up and run down the clock, I don't see that zone running play doing the trick ( especially with a TB who is likely 185 lbs soaking wet.) That kid can fly -- and fits the offense well. I am just not sure that the system and personnel are what's needed to win a championship. I do give them a hell of a lot of credit for holding on agains UGA though -- showed a lot of guts not to fold when GA started storming back.



SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET. RichRod is one of the best coaches in the nation and Slaton is getting Heisman love. WVU won the ****ing Sugar Bowl and we still get no respect. Thats fine, we dont care. #5 speaks for itself. We return almost everyone.

I believe D is a OSU fan. OSU is the consensus #1, and they should be. But i think someone is getting worried........

[Diggs]

This is a possiblity....What a season it would be for me as a fan of both. I'm just bored and had to post that.


:dallasuck

There is a bigger possibility than you think. WVU has a very nice schedule to get there. Skins will be much improved and it would help to have playoff games at FedEx. However, going undefeated in ANYTHING is tough.

Why not though, right? :cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

Well, WVU was pretty good last year and got blown out at home by 17 to the Hokies. WVU is the best of the remains considering the top 3 teams left the conference. Hokies might struggle some this year as they recover from dirtbag Vick hurting the program.


Again. WVU lost ONE game. And out of conference game that didnt mean **** besides bragging rights. VT got blown the **** out at home by Miami. Beat again by FSU in the biggest game of their season. And then limped by L'ville, while making asses of themselves and embarrassing their program on national TV. :whoknows:

[Diggs]

Who's gonna be the new VT QB anyway? Not this guy anymore... :laugh:

http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/vickinhiding.jpg

[PleaseBlitz]

Who's gonna be the new VT QB anyway? Not this guy anymore... :laugh:

http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/vickinhiding.jpg

:laugh:

Diggs rehashing old ****........still funny though.



Mr. I Pull Gats for Happy Meals is on his way to Canadia from what i understand.

[SkinsHokieFan]

4th best in the ACC????? C'mon. VT beat WVU before they had their 2 stars, Slaton and White breakout, and before VT's annual late season meltdown. These 2 guys BOTH are getting Heisman love, Slaton especially.

WVU is top 5 preseason judging by every poll that has come out so far.


PS. WVU for Redskins.....you just made a whole bunch of friends man. :cheers:


Yes, 4th in the ACC. You don't get to play Rutgers, UConn, and terrible Pitt and Cuse teams in the ACC

You play Virginia Tech, Miami, FSU, and then a mid tier consisting of BC, Georgia Tech (who is my sleeper pick for the ACC), Clemson, and NC State

That 2005 team is 4th best in the ACC. When the 2nd best ACC team cruises by the top Big East team, in their house, and then wakes up and scores 22 in the 4th to beat the 2nd best Big East team, and FSU and Miami handle the Big East opponents they faced in 2005, I have no doubt in my mind WVU is in the 2nd tier of the ACC

If Virginia Tech and Miami were still in the Big East in 2005, do you honestly think you win the Big East and go Sugar Bowling? And if VT and Miami were on your schedule, do you think prognosticators are saying WVU ends up in the Fiesta Bowl this year? You would have to host an absolutley loaded UM team, with a returning QB, returning RB, and returning key starters on D, and come to Blacksburg, where you have one win since 1994, including an unranked VT squad beating a number 7 WVU squad, if the ACC didn't raid the conference.

Luckily I look at things objectively, and objectively speaking WVU SHOULD end up in the Fiesta. Cake schedule, returning key starters, and no dominant team in college football, along with a high ranking to start the year, equals money in my pocket with WVU in the Fiesta


And just an aside, my buddy Pete loves the fact that he made all these Marcus photoshops and now they are all over the internet. That and the washed up Matt Lienhart photoshop, keep posting them guys! :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Yes, 4th in the ACC. You don't get to play Rutgers, UConn, and terrible Pitt and Cuse teams in the ACC

You play Virginia Tech, Miami, FSU, and then a mid tier consisting of BC, Georgia Tech (who is my sleeper pick for the ACC), Clemson, and NC State

That 2005 team is 4th best in the ACC. When the 2nd best ACC team cruises by the top Big East team, in their house, and then wakes up and scores 22 in the 4th to beat the 2nd best Big East team, and FSU and Miami handle the Big East opponents they faced in 2005, I have no doubt in my mind WVU is in the 2nd tier of the ACC

If Virginia Tech and Miami were still in the Big East in 2005, do you honestly think you win the Big East and go Sugar Bowling? And if VT and Miami were on your schedule, do you think prognosticators are saying WVU ends up in the Fiesta Bowl this year? You would have to host an absolutley loaded UM team, with a returning QB, returning RB, and returning key starters on D, and come to Blacksburg, where you have one win since 1994, including an unranked VT squad beating a number 7 WVU squad, if the ACC didn't raid the conference.

Luckily I look at things objectively, and objectively speaking WVU SHOULD end up in the Fiesta. Cake schedule, returning key starters, and no dominant team in college football, along with a high ranking to start the year, equals money in my pocket with WVU in the Fiesta


And just an aside, my buddy Pete loves the fact that he made all these Marcus photoshops and now they are all over the internet. That and the washed up Matt Lienhart photoshop, keep posting them guys! :laugh:



:laugh:

FSU bowl game......crushed.

Miami bowl game......crushed.

VT bowl game......barely beat #2 in the Big East........and embarrassed themselves in the process.






WVU?????? Won the Sugar Bowl. <--------that would be a period.




#5.

[Diggs]

Yes, 4th in the ACC. You don't get to play Rutgers, UConn, and terrible Pitt and Cuse teams in the ACC

You play Virginia Tech, Miami, FSU, and then a mid tier consisting of BC, Georgia Tech (who is my sleeper pick for the ACC), Clemson, and NC State

That 2005 team is 4th best in the ACC. When the 2nd best ACC team cruises by the top Big East team, in their house, and then wakes up and scores 22 in the 4th to beat the 2nd best Big East team, and FSU and Miami handle the Big East opponents they faced in 2005, I have no doubt in my mind WVU is in the 2nd tier of the ACC

If Virginia Tech and Miami were still in the Big East in 2005, do you honestly think you win the Big East and go Sugar Bowling? And if VT and Miami were on your schedule, do you think prognosticators are saying WVU ends up in the Fiesta Bowl this year? You would have to host an absolutley loaded UM team, with a returning QB, returning RB, and returning key starters on D, and come to Blacksburg, where you have one win since 1994, including an unranked VT squad beating a number 7 WVU squad, if the ACC didn't raid the conference.

Luckily I look at things objectively, and objectively speaking WVU SHOULD end up in the Fiesta. Cake schedule, returning key starters, and no dominant team in college football, along with a high ranking to start the year, equals money in my pocket with WVU in the Fiesta


And just an aside, my buddy Pete loves the fact that he made all these Marcus photoshops and now they are all over the internet. That and the washed up Matt Lienhart photoshop, keep posting them guys! :laugh:

To be fair, these "terrible" Pitt and 'Cuse teams are the ones that routed VT in their last few seasons in the Big East during VT's second half downward spiral as PleaseBlitz mentioned. We are now speaking in hypotheticals, If WVU was here, if VT was there. It is what it is. VT and Miami left the Big East (I don't recognize BC as they have never won a conference championship), WVU stayed. WVU is prospering. It's good to be king! :D

BTW, I know some guy who did some of the photoshops too. Great stuff indeed! :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

:laugh:

FSU bowl game......crushed.

Miami bowl game......crushed.

VT bowl game......barely beat #2 in the Big East........and embarrassed themselves in the process.






WVU?????? Won the Sugar Bowl. &lt;--------that would be a period.




#5.

Translation. I got nothing on SHF ;)

Of course, now I gotta put this gif in here again, cuz this is all we did to WVU the past decade

http://hokiestone.net/v/WardBlock.gif

To be fair, these &quot;terrible&quot; Pitt and 'Cuse teams are the ones that routed VT in their last few seasons in the Big East during VT's second half downward spiral as PleaseBlitz mentioned. We are now speaking in hypotheticals, If WVU was here, if VT was there. It is what it is. VT and Miami left the Big East (I don't recognize BC as they have never won a conference championship), WVU stayed. WVU is prospering. It's good to be king! :D

BTW, I know some guy who did some of the photoshops too. Great stuff indeed! :laugh:

I guess being king of the worst is better then competeing amongst the best. Me personally, I would rather compete in the majors, rather then dominate the minors after all the big dogs left, but thats just me. Enjoy it!


PB, did you just say to yourself "here we go again?" :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Yes, 4th in the ACC. You don't get to play Rutgers, UConn, and terrible Pitt and Cuse teams in the ACC



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No just Duke, Clemson, and UVA. :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No just Duke, Clemson, and UVA. :laugh:


Clemson actually has a lot coming back this year. I expect them to compete for their division title

WVU would not stop Calvin Johnson, would get run over by the athleticsm of UM and FSU, and would be stymied by another damn good VT defense

4 conference losses right there

[PleaseBlitz]

Translation. I got nothing on SHF ;)

Of course, now I gotta put this gif in here again, cuz this is all we did to WVU the past decade

http://hokiestone.net/v/WardBlock.gif



I guess being king of the worst is better then competeing amongst the best. Me personally, I would rather compete in the majors, rather then dominate the minors after all the big dogs left, but thats just me. Enjoy it!


PB, did you just say to yourself "here we go again?" :laugh:


Here we go again???? Whatever do you mean?????? :laugh:

Keep pimping your conference instead of your team. Personally, id rather be Big Fish in small pond and take my chances in a BCS bowl than frequent the Gator Bowl over and over and over again.

Im a WVU fan. Not a Big East fan. You? ACC fan? Ok, then i guess you get to root for Duke too. Dont let Mjah hear that. :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Double post.

[PleaseBlitz]

Clemson actually has a lot coming back this year. I expect them to compete for their division title

WVU would not stop Calvin Johnson, would get run over by the athleticsm of UM and FSU, and would be stymied by another damn good VT defense

4 conference losses right there


Lets see how the "athletcsm" of UM does against us.





I know you sweat Steve Slaton. Its ok, so does most of America. :cool:



Clemson.........:rotflmao:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Here we go again???? Whatever do you mean?????? :laugh:

Keep pimping your conference instead of your team. Personally, id rather be Big Fish in small pond and take my chances in a BCS bowl than frequent the Gator Bowl over and over and over again.

Im a WVU fan. Not a Big East fan. You? ACC fan? Ok, then i guess you get to root for Duke too. Dont let Mjah hear that. :laugh:


Huge Tech fan, you know that

But I'd rather beat the best and be battle tested. Winning the ACC in 2004 meant far more then the Big East titles because of the competition we faced in winning it that season.

You can stay in the little dwindling pond, and with your Duke like recuriting this past year, the pond will get smaller, and smaller

Face it PB, you got nothing ;) :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Lets see how the "athletcsm" of UM does against us.





I know you sweat Steve Slaton. Its ok, so does most of America. :cool:



Clemson.........:rotflmao:


I have no doubt in my mind UM would handle your squad.

Speed kills WVU, because you can pass over the top on the 3-3-5 (just like Marcus did this year to the tune of 15 of 17 and 2 TD's)

Or you spread out the 3-3-5 and run right at it

And with the UM d-line, WVU's spread doesn't work nearly as well because Kareem Brown will be blowing up the backfield, and those fast lb's will cover sideline to sideline.

Sort of like X and Vince Hall and Darryl Tapp did in Morgantown, and that was a bad day for our D.

[PleaseBlitz]

Huge Tech fan, you know that

But I'd rather beat the best and be battle tested. Winning the ACC in 2004 meant far more then the Big East titles because of the competition we faced in winning it that season.

You can stay in the little dwindling pond, and with your Duke like recuriting this past year, the pond will get smaller, and smaller

Face it PB, you got nothing ;) :laugh:

:rotflmao:

Yeah, we got nuthin. :rotflmao:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c376/svonberg/2421225590084002630CFAHtv_ph.jpg


In case you dont recognize, that would be the Sugar Bowl trophy.

[SkinsHokieFan]

:rotflmao:

Yeah, we got nuthin. :rotflmao:




In case you dont recognize, that would be the Sugar Bowl trophy.

Got that a decade ago

http://www.trueppc.com/albums/album528/Picture_006.sized.jpg

Sometimes you make it too easy PB

Its been real as always, I'll continue this nonsense in the morning :laugh:

[diesel22]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET. RichRod is one of the best coaches in the nation and Slaton is getting Heisman love. WVU won the ****ing Sugar Bowl and we still get no respect. Thats fine, we dont care. #5 speaks for itself. We return almost everyone.

I believe D is a OSU fan. OSU is the consensus #1, and they should be. But i think someone is getting worried........

Exactly 1/2 of my post heaps praise on the WV program. I am more than a little confused as to how this equates to me showing "no love" .....:laugh:

Winning a national championship is not an easy thing to do. If someone states that he/she doesn't like your chances of winning a national championship it doesn't automatically mean he/she is disrespecting you. WV needs to win a couple national championships before fans can get upset that other people don't see them as the pre-season favs to win it all. At this point, the only way you would be disrespecting WV would be to say they will finish below .500 --- anything else is very plausible. But thanks for your input just the same :thumbsup:

[PleaseBlitz]

Got that a decade ago

http://www.trueppc.com/albums/album528/Picture_006.sized.jpg

Sometimes you make it too easy PB

Its been real as always, I'll continue this nonsense in the morning :laugh:


Ok, i will freely admit that VT is the best October team in the country.


Unfortunatly for VT, the season ends in January.

[Major Harris]

, and with your Duke like recuriting this past year, the pond will get smaller, and smaller

shf, you're not that :dunce:
how does one who's so :geek:y in the tailgate come here and act the :dunce:??

our duke like recruiting? what the hell did we have to replace?

[Diggs]

I have no doubt in my mind UM would handle your squad.

Speed kills WVU, because you can pass over the top on the 3-3-5 (just like Marcus did this year to the tune of 15 of 17 and 2 TD's)

Or you spread out the 3-3-5 and run right at it

And with the UM d-line, WVU's spread doesn't work nearly as well because Kareem Brown will be blowing up the backfield, and those fast lb's will cover sideline to sideline.

Sort of like X and Vince Hall and Darryl Tapp did in Morgantown, and that was a bad day for our D.

WVU always played well against Miami (yeah, yeah, yeah, Miami was looking ahead--bs). Speed kills? Ask Georgia about that. OUR speed on O killed THEM. Our current D is being built on speed, just wait. We have been recruiting hard hitters with jets and you will see this. I used to dislike our odd-stack D because we don't rush the passer well (3 down linemen), but we disguise coverage well, and fly around and hit hard.

Remember WVU 28 VT 7. Good times!

The easy jab is the "big east is weak" comments. Well, WVU is playing with the cards they were dealt. We got over the flop. Last year, we excelled on the turn. And the river is looking mighty fine from here! :cool:

[Major Harris]

I am more than a little confused as to how this equates to me showing "no love" .....:laugh:

don't take it personal, diesel. pb = :40oz: :laugh:

[Major Harris]

where the hell has diggs been for 2 years? welcome, buddy. :cheers:

me and pb will allow you to help us moderate this WVU forum. ;)

[PleaseBlitz]

shf, you're not that :dunce:
how does one who's so :geek:y in the tailgate come here and act the :dunce:??

our duke like recruiting? what the hell did we have to replace?
:laugh:

The answer to your question is no one.


The easy jab is the "big east is weak" comments. Well, WVU is playing with the cards they were dealt. We got over the flop. Last year, we excelled on the turn. And the river is looking mighty fine from here! :cool:

What SHF doesnt want to admit is that the big winner of the defection of VT and Miami turns out to be WVU. Who went to a BCS bowl? Who got ranked in the top 5? Who is poised to make a national championship run? Yeah. Exactly. :cool:

[Major Harris]

:laugh:

The answer to your question is no one.



What SHF doesnt want to admit is that the big winner of the defection of VT and Miami turns out to be WVU. Who went to a BCS bowl? Who got ranked in the top 5? Who is poised to make a national championship run? Yeah. Exactly. :cool:
no, man tech won.

they get to collapse in december in a better conference now. gator bowl time, they're battle tested. :laugh:

[diesel22]

don't take it personal, diesel. pb = :40oz: :laugh:

Need explain no more :cheers:

I am the only member of my family not born in WV and I know first hand what a WV fan is like when he is on the sauce (which in my experience is about 23 hrs of the day)

[PleaseBlitz]

Need explain no more :cheers:

I am the only member of my family not born in WV and I know first hand what a WV fan is like when he is on the sauce (which in my experience is about 23 hrs of the day)

23.5 :cheers:

[Major Harris]

I am the only member of my family not born in WV
what, they not like you or something?


and I know first hand what a WV fan is like when he is on the sauce (which in my experience is about 23 hrs of the day)
pb isn't your average wvu fan.
24 hours for this dude. :cheers:

[Inxsive]

The Big East is basically a basketball conference now. Lets see, two schools in the top 40 and RUTGERS the 3rd best......LOL!!!!!! Losing Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College destroyed the quality of the Big East. I won't be surprised if they lose their automatic BCS bid soon. 1/2 their teams can't even crack the top 70! West Virginia has a SOS that even the Seattle Sehawks would envy. Come on, when most people hear the words "West Virginia" a joke usually comes to mind not respect. There is a reason for that instinct.

[Diggs]

The Big East is basically a basketball conference now. Lets see, two schools in the top 40 and RUTGERS the 3rd best......LOL!!!!!! Losing Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College destroyed the quality of the Big East. I won't be surprised if they lose their automatic BCS bid soon. 1/2 their teams can't even crack the top 70! West Virginia has a SOS that even the Seattle Sehawks would envy. Come on, when most people hear the words "West Virginia" a joke usually comes to mind not respect. There is a reason for that instinct.

Geeez, this is too easy. If you know the rules of the BCS and for conferences to MAINTAIN their BCS status, you will see that the Big East is doing more then their share (e.g., WVU and Louisville finishing in great BCS standings). Now, WVU is opening the season in top 5, Louisville not far behind. Not only that, but the ACC rep was barely ranked. In the AP Poll! Is the SoS even factored in much anymore? Once Pitt and 'Cuse get their ishh together (according to their top 25 recruiting status, they will) the Big East will have no problem being a top 6 conference.

As far as the jokes re: Wva go, I'm not from there. And what does that have to do with football talk? When you bring that up, it's obvious you're grasping. ;)

[SkinsHokieFan]

shf, you're not that :dunce:
how does one who's so :geek:y in the tailgate come here and act the :dunce:??

our duke like recruiting? what the hell did we have to replace?

Come on MH, you yourself cannot be that dense. It impacts the FUTURE of the program, i.e 3-4 years from now when you do not have Pat White and Steve Slaton to take homo pics of in magazines ;) (refer to the VT, WVU thread if you don't get the joke)

Yes, RR is much like Beamer, finds the right players, not neccessarily the best players, however if you do not have the best, you will have occasional good seasons, rather then sustained greatness (which we know all about, look at 2001-2003, the talent was not like the 1999 nor 2004 or 2005 squads)

:laugh:

The answer to your question is no one.



What SHF doesnt want to admit is that the big winner of the defection of VT and Miami turns out to be WVU. Who went to a BCS bowl? Who got ranked in the top 5? Who is poised to make a national championship run? Yeah. Exactly. :cool:

My god man, you guys went to one big bowl game. It sounds like 2004 all over again when Corso had WVU as his "sleeper" MNC pick

The reason WVU and the rest of the BEFC will end up losers is one word... money. Virginia Tech athletic revenues are through the roof, and months ago I posted an article on the struggles that the WVU athletic department will face. Smart people running it, they just won't have the funds to keep up with the big time programs

Take a look at the BEFC TV deal now and compare it to 2003. Look at the ACC tv deal and the amounts of money the VTAF is swimming in now. That is what expansion was about, the greenbacks baby

Seriously, enjoy this time, because in 10 years, the BEFC may not even be around, which Trainedgeese realized in the summer of 2003, hence the lawsuits and the vitrol with the way expansion went down. With the assbackwards way the BEFC is set up, and the fact that it has less bowl tie in's now then back in 2003, things will always be grim. Maybe the SEC will invite you all :laugh:

I am just glad to be off a sinking, albeit slowly, ship

[diesel22]

what, they not like you or something?


as a matter of fact - I think you are right -- they punished me by letting me be born and raised in OH


pb isn't your average wvu fan.
24 hours for this dude. :cheers:

[skinfan2k]

declaring WVU as national champs, is like the houston texans winning the superbowl. aint happening

[diesel22]

declaring WVU as national champs, is like the houston texans winning the superbowl. aint happening

I don't think it's that far-fetched....but like I said earlier, not being picked as the favorite is not a sign of disrespect. They have a legit top 10 (perhaps top 5) program. From there -- everyone has a shot at going the distance

[Diggs]

declaring WVU as national champs, is like the houston texans winning the superbowl. aint happening

Well, not really considering WVU is opening the season in the top 5 (some have as high as #1), play in a conference where if they go undefeated, could have a chance to play in the MNC, and they bring back the majority of a BCS game winning squad. The Houston Texans have never had a winning season. Sooo... yeah, not so much.

[SkinsHokieFan]

declaring WVU as national champs, is like the houston texans winning the superbowl. aint happening


WVU certainly has a GREAT chance to win the MNC this year. Like I said earlier, cake schedule, returning team, and high preseason ranking all equal a shot at the big one

Will anyone care down the line when the BEFC is done? Na. But in 2006, you have to put WVU as a contender

[Major Harris]

Come on MH, you yourself cannot be that dense. It impacts the FUTURE of the program, i.e 3-4 years from now when you do not have Pat White and Steve Slaton to take homo pics of in magazines ;)
shf, i think we had something like 13 scholarships available, due to most coming back (don't hold a gun to my head on the #'s, but i know it wasn't many).

surely you see what i'm saying.

surely i have no idea where you're going w/ that.

[PleaseBlitz]

WVU certainly has a GREAT chance to win the MNC this year. Like I said earlier, cake schedule, returning team, and high preseason ranking all equal a shot at the big one

Will anyone care down the line when the BEFC is done? Na. But in 2006, you have to put WVU as a contender


And whats the title of the thread? Exactly. We arent talking about down the road (though with the youth of this team, im certainly looking forward to it) we are talking about THIS season.

Where do all of the preseason polls have us???? Top 5 at least. Most have us top 3.

[The Evil Genius]

You guys do realize that Louisville played without their starting (and star) QB last year in the Gator Bowl. You know, the one who will more than likely playing on Sundays in the near future. The one who could easily be a 1st day selection next year.

Now, had they been missing say, a DE or something - then I wouldn't mention it. But they were missing their field general. And yet, VPI needed a 4th quarter comeback (as well as some well placed stomps) to overcome the 2nd best team in the "inferior" Big East.

Makes you wonder if the win is really worth bragging so much about.

[mjah]

The Houston Texans have never had a winning season.
However, as a brand new franchinse that had never played even a single NFL game, they did beat the Cowboys.

:laugh:

Talk about your NFL lore.

Anyway, preseason rankings mean squat. We already have a dedicated thread for played-out WVU/VT smack. Just wait until they play the damned games before declaring who will or won't make the championship runs.

Oh, and because I know PleaseBlitz wants to see it: Dook sucks.

[EersSkins05]

Come on MH, you yourself cannot be that dense. It impacts the FUTURE of the program, i.e 3-4 years from now when you do not have Pat White and Steve Slaton to take homo pics of in magazines ;) (refer to the VT, WVU thread if you don't get the joke)

Yes, RR is much like Beamer, finds the right players, not neccessarily the best players, however if you do not have the best, you will have occasional good seasons, rather then sustained greatness (which we know all about, look at 2001-2003, the talent was not like the 1999 nor 2004 or 2005 squads)

My god man, you guys went to one big bowl game. It sounds like 2004 all over again when Corso had WVU as his "sleeper" MNC pick

The reason WVU and the rest of the BEFC will end up losers is one word... money. Virginia Tech athletic revenues are through the roof, and months ago I posted an article on the struggles that the WVU athletic department will face. Smart people running it, they just won't have the funds to keep up with the big time programs

Take a look at the BEFC TV deal now and compare it to 2003. Look at the ACC tv deal and the amounts of money the VTAF is swimming in now. That is what expansion was about, the greenbacks baby

Seriously, enjoy this time, because in 10 years, the BEFC may not even be around, which Trainedgeese realized in the summer of 2003, hence the lawsuits and the vitrol with the way expansion went down. With the assbackwards way the BEFC is set up, and the fact that it has less bowl tie in's now then back in 2003, things will always be grim. Maybe the SEC will invite you all :laugh:

I am just glad to be off a sinking, albeit slowly, ship

Ok, this post was so filled with inaccuracies that I thought I was reading the Dominion Post.

1) As was mentioned, we had 14 scholarships to fill. 14. The "future" of the program is currently seen in the sophomore star QB and RB, as well as the incredibly young receiving corps and D. That's what was amazing about our run last year- we did it with freshmen.

2) "My god man, you guys went to one big bowl game." Let me fix this for you. "My god man, you guys WON a BCS bowl game and finished Top 5 with freshmen at the skill positions. Better.

3) The TV money will come. Meanwhile, WVU has already suspended season ticket sales for the upcoming season, individual or package game tickets probably won't be sold, and every single game (including Eastern Washington) will be sold out. Doesn't look like the absence of Miami and VT is doing anything to hurt our gameday revenue.

4) "and the fact that it has less bowl tie in's now then back in 2003" Flat out false. The Big East now has 6 bowl tie-ins. Look it up.


A few other notes from other posts:
A) As for another post referring to the fact that we'll play rutgers, uconn, and syracuse in our league, please keep in mind that you'll be playing duke, wake forest, and virginia. :laugh:
B) And the post saying that we won't be able to run... lets just say that I'll believe we can't run when a year comes that we DON'T finish in the top 10 of the NCAA in rushing... lol And if we need a yard, and it's going to take some pounding, I assure you- we've got just the guy for the job:

http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/OwenSchmitt91905.jpg

(Edit- Keep in mind that this guy squats nearly 700 pounds... lol)

[The Evil Genius]

WVU, under RRod, rarely had a problem running over anyone (and that includes VPI and the U). The problem they (WVU) had usually was manning up on special teams and stopping the pass.

Let's hope those problems aren't evident this year in the big game against Louisville.


BTW - I think Pitt (as much as I hate to say it) will rebound very soon in the BE. They have put too much into the athletic (especially football) program to fail and have a solid coach to boot. Plus, their recruiting classes have been getting high marks.

Of course, you can recruit all the blue chippers you want, but if you can't coach or if those players don't continue to improve - it doesn't mean a damn thing.

[Inxsive]

Geeez, this is too easy. If you know the rules of the BCS and for conferences to MAINTAIN their BCS status, you will see that the Big East is doing more then their share (e.g., WVU and Louisville finishing in great BCS standings). Now, WVU is opening the season in top 5, Louisville not far behind. Not only that, but the ACC rep was barely ranked. In the AP Poll! Is the SoS even factored in much anymore? Once Pitt and 'Cuse get their ishh together (according to their top 25 recruiting status, they will) the Big East will have no problem being a top 6 conference.

As far as the jokes re: Wva go, I'm not from there. And what does that have to do with football talk? When you bring that up, it's obvious you're grasping. ;)

Take a look at the following rankings. I'll give them 6th because the Independents won't get an automatic bid but you have to admit that the Big East is borderline.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm

The Big East only had 3 teams with winning records!
Was WVU even in the top 60 in Strength of Schedule?

As far as the joke issue. The only reason I brought it up was that it's what many people think of right of the bat. You have to admit that if you say the words "West Virginia" to 10 people outside the state the first thing that the majoity of them are going to think of is not "sports powerhouse". I didn't make up all those WV jokes. I might be upset if this was the case for my state/school but that doesn't change the fact that the majoity of people think of the jokes not sports first. Maybe, they might think of the fires you guys like to start after games but I'm not sure if you want to claim that as a "sports thought."

[Diggs]

Anyway, preseason rankings mean squat.

See, that's the thing though.. in this case, they do mean everything because if WVU were not ranked in the top 5 in preseason rankings, they would have no shot at playing for the title. Now, if you mean they don't mean squat as being preseason ranked high means nothing compared to being ranked high after the season (i.e., Tenn. was a preseason top 5 and finished outside of the rankings..ouch)

[Diggs]

Take a look at the following rankings. I'll give them 6th because the Independents won't get an automatic bid but you have to admit that the Big East is borderline.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm

The Big East only had 3 teams with winning records!
Was WVU even in the top 60 in Strength of Schedule?

As far as the joke issue. The only reason I brought it up was that it's what many people think of right of the bat. You have to admit that if you say the words "West Virginia" to 10 people outside the state the first thing that the majoity of them are going to think of is not "sports powerhouse". I didn't make up all those WV jokes. I might be upset if this was the case for my state/school but that doesn't change the fact that the majoity of people think of the jokes not sports first. Maybe, they might think of the fires you guys like to start after games but I'm not sure if you want to claim that as a "sports thought."

I still don't understand your point. You have to understand the Big East was RAIDED..they are in the stage of rebuilding and are on quite the promising path (their BCS rep won their bowl game, their doormat team makes a bowl game and competes well against ASU in AZ, etc.) You are foolish if you think Pitt and 'Cuse won't get their act together-- too much tradition and top notch facilities. So bottom line, the Big East--although obviously not one of the stronger BCS conferences--is doing what they need to retain that status. We'll see what happens when the BCS contract is up.. hell, the Big East could strike a deal with some independants to join (military academies, Notre Dame, etc.) making the conference more dynamic and competitive. You also fail to realize the power TV markets in the Big East with NY, New England, down to Florida, etc.

As far as the WV jokes go, that stuff just belongs on another topic. There are jokes about Mississippi, Arkansas, and other states that struggle with poor economic status. WVU is turning into a powerhouse, like it or not. Rich Rod has created a monster and the job he is doing is simply amazing. I'm from NoVa but am proud of my WVU education. From most of the new people I meet and I bring up WVU, they immediately mention the great elite 8 and sweet 16 BBall run as well as the Sugar BOwl win and great football program.

[Inxsive]

I still don't understand your point. You have to understand the Big East was RAIDED..they are in the stage of rebuilding and are on quite the promising path (their BCS rep won their bowl game, their doormat team makes a bowl game and competes well against ASU in AZ, etc.) You are foolish if you think Pitt and 'Cuse won't get their act together-- too much tradition and top notch facilities. So bottom line, the Big East--although obviously not one of the stronger BCS conferences--is doing what they need to retain that status. We'll see what happens when the BCS contract is up.. hell, the Big East could strike a deal with some independants to join (military academies, Notre Dame, etc.) making the conference more dynamic and competitive. You also fail to realize the power TV markets in the Big East with NY, New England, down to Florida, etc.

As far as the WV jokes go, that stuff just belongs on another topic. There are jokes about Mississippi, Arkansas, and other states that struggle with poor economic status. WVU is turning into a powerhouse, like it or not. Rich Rod has created a monster and the job he is doing is simply amazing. I'm from NoVa but am proud of my WVU education. From most of the new people I meet and I bring up WVU, they immediately mention the great elite 8 and sweet 16 BBall run as well as the Sugar BOwl win and great football program.

I am not disagreeing with you that the Big East was raided. The fact of the matter is that the top 3 teams are gone. WVU is a good program but did you expect any of the remaining team to have much of a chance to win the conference? You have to worry about Syracuse and Pittsburg when you remove the cream of the conference and they still do poorely. I mean not winning a game in the Big East, WOW! Duke is awful but 1/2 the teams in the Big East are 'Dukes.' As for TV, Conn and Rutgers don't draw well for football despite being in large markets.

I wouldn't expect people to tell you to your face that the first thing they think of is West Virginia jokes when you mention where you went to school. It's like when I read West Virginia and Education in the same sentence, you just get a little chuckle roll through your head.

[The Evil Genius]

I am not disagreeing with you that the Big East was raided. The fact of the matter is that the top 3 teams are gone. WVU is a good program but did you expect any of the remaining team to have much of a chance to win the conference? You have to worry about Syracuse and Pittsburg when you remove the cream of the conference and they still do poorely. I mean not winning a game in the Big East, WOW! Duke is awful but 1/2 the teams in the Big East are 'Dukes.' As for TV, Conn and Rutgers don't draw well for football despite being in large markets.

I wouldn't expect people to tell you to your face that the first thing they think of is West Virginia jokes when you mention where you went to school. It's like when I read West Virginia and Education in the same sentence, you just get a little chuckle roll through your head.

The ugly truth was that VPI was 7-7 in the Big East the last 2 years of it's membership. It was hardly a top team those 2 years. And yet, it rose to the top of the ACC upon joining it.

Now the question is, were those 2 last years in the BE a mirage? Or were they indicative of the lower teams in the BE getting better?

[Diggs]

The ugly truth was that VPI was 7-7 in the Big East the last 2 years of it's membership. It was hardly a top team those 2 years. And yet, it rose to the top of the ACC upon joining it.

Now the question is, were those 2 last years in the BE a mirage? Or were they indicative of the lower teams in the BE getting better?

When he mentioned the "top 3 teams" left and included BC, that in itself is a joke. BC has never won a conference championship and goes to a schittie bowl every year. You hit the nail on the head, if VT was losing to these so called terrible programs, but now is the top dog in the ACC, then what does that tell you?

[Inxsive]

When he mentioned the "top 3 teams" left and included BC, that in itself is a joke. BC has never won a conference championship and goes to a schittie bowl every year. You hit the nail on the head, if VT was losing to these so called terrible programs, but now is the top dog in the ACC, then what does that tell you?

So did West Virginia lose badly at home to a very good Virginia Tech team or did they lose badly at home to a weak Virgnia Tech team? I would think you'd prefer to get smoked (yes, this is a burn down the town after a loss reference) by a very good team. You can't have it both ways! Are you glad that VT, Miami, & BC left? Other than having an easier schedule, those 3 teams leaving hurt the conference badly.

[The Evil Genius]

So did West Virginia lose badly at home to a very good Virginia Tech team or did they lose badly at home to a weak Virgnia Tech team? I would think you'd prefer to get smoked (yes, this is a burn down the town after a loss reference) by a very good team. You can't have it both ways! Are you glad that VT, Miami, & BC left? Other than having an easier schedule, those 3 teams leaving hurt the conference badly.

You know, this is the same argument moronic Cowboy fans use against Skins fans. We beat you, so we must be better.

And yet, when you point out that "we" finished with a better record and higher ranking, despite the loss, it fails to register.

[Diggs]

So did West Virginia lose badly at home to a very good Virginia Tech team or did they lose badly at home to a weak Virgnia Tech team? I would think you'd prefer to get smoked (yes, this is a burn down the town after a loss reference) by a very good team. You can't have it both ways! Are you glad that VT, Miami, & BC left? Other than having an easier schedule, those 3 teams leaving hurt the conference badly.

Badly? I was at the game and WVU had 2 unforced turnovers inside their 30, giving VT great field position. Not only that, but this game was BEFORE we inserted Pat White and Steve Slaton into their starting roles (which we haven't lost since). I would not say we lost badly. I would be lying if I said that those three traitors leaving was good for the Big East but at this point, good riddance. Let's look at the aftermath:

1) Miami is a disaster as they are no longer the power they once were, are full of thugs and bring shame to their conference

2) VT (see #1)

3) The Big East reacted swiftly and raided C-USA for a top 10 program in football and bball, a decent program in Cincy and upstart South Florida (which is in a hotbed of talent laden area).

4) The Big East has built THE best basketball conference in the land and at the same time has sustained BCS status worthy football (they meet the criteria/rules). The Big East only has 8 teams now. Let's judge them in the next few years.

BTW, who is YOUR team?

[hokie4redskins]

I suppose the "34-17/#5 ranking/we beat Georgia/scrape past #2 Big East/Slaton had not emerged yet/4th in ACC at best" debate could very well last an eternity. So I'll try to avoid the further beating of this already mutilated horse.

I admire 'Eer passion, I really do. But this passion has an underlying vehemence, which IMO, only exposes 'Eer fan insecurities about something.

I don't know if its your realization that VT has owned you for the past 10 years which results in your incessant blitherings attempting to prove once and for all that WVU is better than VT, or, if deep down in your subconscious, you know the Big East and the WVU football program is in a whole heap of trouble in the next 10 years and you're waving your flags now, while you still can.

Regardless, here are the facts.

1) WVU did have a good season and has a lot to look forward to this coming season.

2) The VT/WVU rivalry was a good one that will be missed regardless of the hatred permeating through the respective fan ranks.

3) Since 2000, VT has won 4 of the last 6 by a combined score of 161-99, including the last two to end the series.

4) The Big East is, at best, the 6th best BCS conference in the nation and could be compared to some mid-major conferences.

5) The ACC is arguably the best football conference in all the country.

6) While television and BCS contracts remain uncertain for the Big East in the coming years, VT will be flourishing in the ACC from here until eternity.

These are the facts, and they are indisputable.

Bottom line, it's nice to be a Hokie, especially in the long-term. So, good luck Eers. Enjoy your ephemeral successes while they last. You better make your run this year, because those blue chippers are going to avoid the Big East like the plague in the next ten years, regardless of the "genius" that is RichRod.

[Diggs]

I suppose the "34-17/#5 ranking/we beat Georgia/scrape past #2 Big East/Slaton had not emerged yet/4th in ACC at best" debate could very well last an eternity. So I'll try to avoid the further beating of this already mutilated horse.

I admire 'Eer passion, I really do. But this passion has an underlying vehemence, which IMO, only exposes 'Eer fan insecurities about something.

I don't know if its your realization that VT has owned you for the past 10 years which results in your incessant blitherings attempting to prove once and for all that WVU is better than VT, or, if deep down in your subconscious, you know the Big East and the WVU football program is in a whole heap of trouble in the next 10 years and you're waving your flags now, while you still can.

Regardless, here are the facts.

1) WVU did have a good season and has a lot to look forward to this coming season.

2) The VT/WVU rivalry was a good one that will be missed regardless of the hatred permeating through the respective fan ranks.

3) Since 2000, VT has won 4 of the last 6 by a combined score of 161-99, including the last two to end the series.

4) The Big East is, at best, the 6th best BCS conference in the nation and could be compared to some mid-major conferences.

5) The ACC is arguably the best football conference in all the country.

6) While television and BCS contracts remain uncertain for the Big East in the coming years, VT will be flourishing in the ACC from here until eternity.

These are the facts, and they are indisputable.

Bottom line, it's nice to be a Hokie, especially in the long-term. So, good luck Eers. Enjoy your ephemeral successes while they last. You better make your run this year, because those blue chippers are going to avoid the Big East like the plague in the next ten years, regardless of the "genius" that is RichRod.


I'll let that "what if" crap go with the WVU/VT games. You mentioned that VT has the better of the series since 2000 or something. That's fine, we were in the transition phase of switching over from Don Nehlen to Rich Rod's regime. And if we're talking who owns who, WVU still owns the series. If you know your Big East/VT history, you'd know that WVU drove the effort behind the Big East to extend a helping hand to VT to join the Big East. Beamer modeled his program after Nehlen, but that's another story.

Will the Big East and WVU be in trouble? Big East, maybe. But that's only due to the inevitable split of the football and bball schools. WVU will be just fine. They have great tradition (most football wins in D1A for a team w/o a championship), rabid fan following, and it will stay that way. The only thing that hurts WVU is the state's less than stellar population (or lack thereof). How you could compare WVU, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. to "other mid-major" conferences is laughable. The WAC and Mountain West et al maybe have one "bcs buster" every year or two. The Big East is a viable conference now (meets the criteria for BCS status) and will ONLY GET BETTER. This is the infancy stage of the the "new" conference and it STILL prospered. What will happen 5 or more years from now? Who knows, we'll worry about that then. Regardless, the immediate future looks bright for WVU! :cool:

BTW, thanks for the props 'bout our passion. We love our own and will defend our name like none other. I also support my Skins just as diehard.

:cheers:

[The Evil Genius]

I would imagine that if WVU were to reach the National Conference Game it would get serious look again from the Big 10 (really 11).

Not that it would actually lead to an invite - but winning (or even playing in National Championship games) garners a lot of attention (including recruits) from other conferences.

[The Evil Genius]

I don't know if its your realization that VT has owned you for the past 10 years which results in your incessant blitherings attempting to prove once and for all that WVU is better than VT, or, if deep down in your subconscious, you know the Big East and the WVU football program is in a whole heap of trouble in the next 10 years and you're waving your flags now, while you still can.

Do you realize how much you sound like Cowboy fans who make that argument against the Skins? Football, like all sports, is about as matchup as it is about talent. Is their a big difference in talent between VPI and WVU? No. Rather, Beamer (and his staff) have found a way to beat WVU consistently.

As a WVU fan, there is no shame losing to a rival such as VPI.

[EersSkins05]

Ok, we'll go point for point

I suppose the "34-17/#5 ranking/we beat Georgia/scrape past #2 Big East/Slaton had not emerged yet/4th in ACC at best" debate could very well last an eternity. So I'll try to avoid the further beating of this already mutilated horse.

Agreed.

I admire 'Eer passion, I really do. But this passion has an underlying vehemence, which IMO, only exposes 'Eer fan insecurities about something.

Agreed. But the insecurities don't have anything to do with the football team. The insecurities stem from the jokes, the slights, etc. that West Virginians catch constantly. Personally, I'm not bothered by them (I just immediately think the guy perpetuating the stereotype is an *******... lol) But I know many do.

I don't know if its your realization that VT has owned you for the past 10 years which results in your incessant blitherings attempting to prove once and for all that WVU is better than VT, or, if deep down in your subconscious, you know the Big East and the WVU football program is in a whole heap of trouble in the next 10 years and you're waving your flags now, while you still can.

Again, I don't know what financial insecurities you're talking about. WVU has a Top 5 ranked football team, a bball team that's been to the sweet 16 or beyond two years in a row, two of the hottest coaches in the country, and precisely ZERO problems selling tickets to a sporting event containing either of those teams. (It's why we always get the benefit of the doubt with bowl games- everyone knows we travel.) The TV revenue is streaming in from nationally televised ESPN games, even if they're being played at unconventional times.

Also, it may do you some good to realize that in the ESPN 50 States in 50 days poll, VT ranked third on WVU's list of rivals, behind Marshall and Pitt. Southern WV is into the rivalry- the rest of the state isn't.

Regardless, here are the facts.

1) WVU did have a good season and has a lot to look forward to this coming season.

2) The VT/WVU rivalry was a good one that will be missed regardless of the hatred permeating through the respective fan ranks.

3) Since 2000, VT has won 4 of the last 6 by a combined score of 161-99, including the last two to end the series.

4) The Big East is, at best, the 6th best BCS conference in the nation and could be compared to some mid-major conferences.

5) The ACC is arguably the best football conference in all the country.

6) While television and BCS contracts remain uncertain for the Big East in the coming years, VT will be flourishing in the ACC from here until eternity.

These are the facts, and they are indisputable.



Well, hello Smilin' Jack Ross. I agree with points 1,2,and 3. Although the Big East could be considered on par with the Pac 10 this year, I realize that it's not at the level of the ACC/SEC/Big10/Big12. But to say that mid-major conferences are comparable is flat out ignorant. Show me a mid-major with two teams in the top 10 (and I'll guarantee you that the rest of the teams aren't on par with Pitt/Cuse/Rutgers etc.)

Agree w/ 5.

6- Again, there is no uncertainty with the Big East's BCS contract. There never has been. There never will be. The only uncertainty exists in the minds of those who keep leaning on this idea as a crutch to assail the Big East. By every known measure of success with the BCS, the Big East is completely secured in its BCS standing. Show me one indication from a reputible source otherwise, or stop bringing up this non-fact.

Bottom line, it's nice to be a Hokie, especially in the long-term. So, good luck Eers. Enjoy your ephemeral successes while they last. You better make your run this year, because those blue chippers are going to avoid the Big East like the plague in the next ten years, regardless of the "genius" that is RichRod.

Yeah, the blue chippers are going to avoid the Big East like a plague. :rolleyes: That's why Pitt, Louisville, and Syracuse had top 25 classes last year, a list that WVU didn't appear on b/c of the aforementioned 14 available scholarships.

Regardless of your opinion as to WHY Louisville and WVU are top 10 teams, you don't think a few players might like to play for a top 10 team guaranteed to go to an awesome bowl with plenty of media attention every year owing to the fact that the league is primarily located in the area with the most dense population centers in the country?

To close, please note that not once did I take a shot at the Hokies or the ACC in this post or my last. Hopefully you'll come to realize that the Big East bashing is mere posturing by the fans of the teams that jumped ship to make up for the realization that the teams left in the conference seem to be catching a good deal of national attention.

"Your conference sucks. Look at ALL we have over here! We're doing better than ever... No, stop looking at them, media! Their conference is terrible! Their schedule is weak! They're going to get killed in the Sugar Bow.... It was one lucky win! Look at the whole conference! It's much better over here, see? They better enjoy it while it lasts!"

[Inxsive]

Badly? I was at the game and WVU had 2 unforced turnovers inside their 30, giving VT great field position. Not only that, but this game was BEFORE we inserted Pat White and Steve Slaton into their starting roles (which we haven't lost since). I would not say we lost badly. I would be lying if I said that those three traitors leaving was good for the Big East but at this point, good riddance. Let's look at the aftermath:

1) Miami is a disaster as they are no longer the power they once were, are full of thugs and bring shame to their conference

2) VT (see #1)

3) The Big East reacted swiftly and raided C-USA for a top 10 program in football and bball, a decent program in Cincy and upstart South Florida (which is in a hotbed of talent laden area).

4) The Big East has built THE best basketball conference in the land and at the same time has sustained BCS status worthy football (they meet the criteria/rules). The Big East only has 8 teams now. Let's judge them in the next few years.

BTW, who is YOUR team?


Losing by 17 at home if your as good of a team as you say you are is a bad loss. You can make all the excuses you want. So what if this was before you inserted White and Slaton, sounds like bad coaching not to have your best players in the linup in the first place. Keep telling yourself Cinci and South Florida are improving your conferences football quality. I don't which would be worse, saying that when it's not true or the fact that those two teams would actually improve the conference. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think South Florida recently moved to their current location. Being in a 'hotbed of talent' hasn't done them much good to date. Are you honestly telling me that if WVU had gotten an invite to the ACC they wouldn't have gone? If they had gone you would have been unhappy? As much as I dislike Miami your characterization of them being a disaster is ridiculous. They would be at the top of the big east with WVU if they played there still. There are thugs in every program, I agree Miami has more than most. VT got rid of their starting QB because he was a thug. How many programs would do that? Also, I seem to remember old Pacman Jones went to WVU. Wouldn't you call him a thug? I graduated from George Mason, which is not a sports power by any means(we did go further than WVU this year!). I can admit it. I've rooted for VT growing up because family and friends went there and I spent alot time visiting.

[The Evil Genius]

Pac Man/Chris Henry are thugs. Did they do thuggish things at WVU - not that I recall - which is the key difference. Henry's biggest crime was his selfishness and his inability to stop celebrating TD receptions in the end zone.

Henry saw the writing on the wall (that he would be in RRod's doghouse his senior year) and left WVU early. Pac Man saw that he was a likely 1st round choice and left for the early coin. Can't say I blame Pac Man.

That said, WVU hasn't had the trouble (or negative attention) that Marcus Vick brought VPI. It's a shame, but it does appear with Vick and Jimmy Williams recent actions, that Beamer has lost some institutional control of his program.

I only hope that Vick (and Williams on field actions) were the exception rather than the rule.

[Inxsive]

Pac Man/Chris Henry are thugs. Did they do thuggish things at WVU - not that I recall - which is the key difference. Henry's biggest crime was his selfishness and his inability to stop celebrating TD receptions in the end zone.

Henry saw the writing on the wall (that he would be in RRod's doghouse his senior year) and left WVU early. Pac Man saw that he was a likely 1st round choice and left for the early coin. Can't say I blame Pac Man.

That said, WVU hasn't had the trouble (or negative attention) that Marcus Vick brought VPI. It's a shame, but it does appear with Vick and Jimmy Williams recent actions, that Beamer has lost some institutional control of his program.

I only hope that Vick (and Williams on field actions) were the exception rather than the rule.

Come on, you don't give Beamer any respect for booting out his starting QB, especially without a blue chipper behind him?

[Diggs]

Losing by 17 at home if your as good of a team as you say you are is a bad loss. You can make all the excuses you want. So what if this was before you inserted White and Slaton, sounds like bad coaching not to have your best players in the linup in the first place. Keep telling yourself Cinci and South Florida are improving your conferences football quality. I don't which would be worse, saying that when it's not true or the fact that those two teams would actually improve the conference. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think South Florida recently moved to their current location. Being in a 'hotbed of talent' hasn't done them much good to date. Are you honestly telling me that if WVU had gotten an invite to the ACC they wouldn't have gone? If they had gone you would have been unhappy? As much as I dislike Miami your characterization of them being a disaster is ridiculous. They would be at the top of the big east with WVU if they played there still. There are thugs in every program, I agree Miami has more than most. VT got rid of their starting QB because he was a thug. How many programs would do that? Also, I seem to remember old Pacman Jones went to WVU. Wouldn't you call him a thug? I graduated from George Mason, which is not a sports power by any means(we did go further than WVU this year!). I can admit it. I've rooted for VT growing up because family and friends went there and I spent alot time visiting.

South Florida just moved up to D1A a few years ago, and just entered a BCS conference a year ago. They are located in Tampa and share their facilities with the Tampa Bay Bucs. They are getting quality recruits and will be a top 25 program soon, you'll see. Florida has some of the best athletes and USF is already stealing some from FSU and Miami (it does help telling recruits they can start right away).

I never said Cincy was a good football program, but it's a step up from Temple which the Big East booted. UCONN is a rising program with great facilities (just joined D1A a few years back as well). I never said the Big East was better after what the ACC did. I'm just saying they are surviving and (dare I say) thriving despite all the "haters" who wanted to see them fail. I have a sister and many friends that went to VT. Sure, VT beat WVU last year. But, we all know who is the better TEAM right now.

[The Evil Genius]

Come on, you don't give Beamer any respect for booting out his starting QB, especially without a blue chipper behind him?

What choice did he have? It's not like Vick wasn't a public black eye on VPI's program.

Beamer made the only choice he could, in order to save his job (in the long term), his rep, and his alumni's $'s.

[EersSkins05]

What choice did he have? It's not like Vick wasn't a public black eye on VPI's program.

Beamer made the only choice he could, in order to save his job (in the long term), his rep, and his alumni's $'s.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that an institutional decision more so than a head coach decision?

BTW, Diggs, it's worth noting that Central Florida has one of the biggest student populations in the country (I think they're 3rd, but I could be wrong.)

On a completely separate note, isn't it interesting how the VT fans on here accuse WVU fans of insecurity, while raiding a WVU-based thread with page after page of the same tired-ass "the big east sucks" rhetoric?

[Diggs]

What choice did he have? It's not like Vick wasn't a public black eye on VPI's program.

Beamer made the only choice he could, in order to save his job (in the long term), his rep, and his alumni's $'s.

Yeah, he got rid of him. But it took him too long. What Lil Mexi have, like 3 or 4 chances? Then MV1 and him STILL had the balls to say VT made the mistake. They made the right decision, they just should've done it earlier. But you are right, that Vick name is sacred in Blacksburg and MVII was doing his best to tarnish it. So much $$$$$$$$$$$$$ involved.

[Major Harris]

I am not disagreeing with you that the Big East was raided. The fact of the matter is that the top 3 teams are gone. WVU is a good program but did you expect any of the remaining team to have much of a chance to win the conference? You have to worry about Syracuse and Pittsburg when you remove the cream of the conference and they still do poorely. I mean not winning a game in the Big East, WOW! Duke is awful but 1/2 the teams in the Big East are 'Dukes.' As for TV, Conn and Rutgers don't draw well for football despite being in large markets.

I wouldn't expect people to tell you to your face that the first thing they think of is West Virginia jokes when you mention where you went to school. It's like when I read West Virginia and Education in the same sentence, you just get a little chuckle roll through your head.
where'd you go to school? just curious.

i'm sure you can chuckle all you want. your ignorance allows you to do so.

[Inxsive]

South Florida just moved up to D1A a few years ago, and just entered a BCS conference a year ago. They are located in Tampa and share their facilities with the Tampa Bay Bucs. They are getting quality recruits and will be a top 25 program soon, you'll see. Florida has some of the best athletes and USF is already stealing some from FSU and Miami (it does help telling recruits they can start right away).

I never said Cincy was a good football program, but it's a step up from Temple which the Big East booted. UCONN is a rising program with great facilities (just joined D1A a few years back as well). I never said the Big East was better after what the ACC did. I'm just saying they are surviving and (dare I say) thriving despite all the "haters" who wanted to see them fail. I have a sister and many friends that went to VT. Sure, VT beat WVU last year. But, we all know who is the better TEAM right now.

You kinda make my point for me here. Filling your conference with team who recently jumped to D1 isn't much of an argument for a quality conference. I always think that if you beat a team soundly you can say you are a better team. FSU and Miami were better than VT last year. I don't know how you say your are better than a team that beat you on your home field by 17pts. It's not like I'm saying you lost to a team VT beat so that means VT is better. This was head to head and even a home game for WVU. No arguments that I can see hold any water. We'll have to determine next year differently since WVU is off the hook head to head.:D

[PleaseBlitz]

Ah, look at how this thread has exploded. I love it. Coupla things i would like to point out, seems TEG and Diggs and EerSkins have this pretty well handled.

#1. I laugh when VT fans call WVU fans insecure or things of that nature, yet they are the ones in a WVU thread whining and complaining, and denying all of the positive things going on with the WVU football team right now. Please, start a VT is great thread, i promise i will leave you alone.

#2. Anyone look at ESPN.com? Anyone notice that a positive story about WVU has appeared on the front page a half dozen times so far this year. VT hasnt had a positive headline since when? Not this year, everything has been about Vick and the other QB that did something dumb. The bowl win was overshadowed by Vick stomping on Dumervil. The game before that they got beat by FSU, so we are looking back to early december? VT right now, whether fans want to admit it or not, are THE team in the nation with the worst rep as far as having a "thug" image. Meanwhile WVU has been getting pub about being ranked in the top 3 preseason, Slaton and White being the dynamic freshman duo, Owen Schmitt being the nations #1 workout freak, RichRod holding coaching clinics and hundreds of coaches attending, and Slaton being on the Heisman short list.

#3. This thread is about WVU having a legitimate shot at a National Title. What the **** does conference have to do with anything. Im so tired of VT kids pimping their conference. Guess what? I hate Pitt, I hate Lville, I hate all of these schools. I dont care if they dont do well. WVU will be just fine regardless, and right now we are looking pretty damn good and im am enjoying it immensely. Every member of the media in the nation loves us. ESPN wants to televise as many of our games as possible. VT fans get to spend their time defending their thuggish program. No thanks.

[EersSkins05]

You kinda make my point for me here. Filling your conference with team who recently jumped to D1 isn't much of an argument for a quality conference. I always think that if you beat a team soundly you can say you are a better team. FSU and Miami were better than VT last year. I don't know how you say your are better than a team that beat you on your home field by 17pts. It's not like I'm saying you lost to a team VT beat so that means VT is better. This was head to head and even a home game for WVU. No arguments that I can see hold any water. We'll have to determine next year differently since WVU is off the hook head to head.:D

It's easy. WVU was better at the end of the year than they were the beginning, as their freshman position players adjusted to the college game. This is evidenced by their rank at the END of the season, as opposed to their rank at the beginning.

Either way, none of this matters. This thread was supposed to be about the bliss of a WVU NC in the same year of a Skins SB victory.

What's funny is that there doesn't seem to be much dissention in the fact that WVU has a great shot at the title. :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

It's easy. WVU was better at the end of the year than they were the beginning, as their freshman position players adjusted to the college game. This is evidenced by their rank at the END of the season, as opposed to their rank at the beginning.

VT fans usually black out from December on. Its a defense mechanism. :laugh:

Either way, none of this matters. This thread was supposed to be about the bliss of a WVU NC in the same year of a Skins SB victory.

:cheers:

What's funny is that there doesn't seem to be much dissention in the fact that WVU has a great shot at the title. :laugh:

Yeah, but the Big East sucks so.................?

[Major Harris]

please, vtech fans, for your own sake, quit. you are being owned in a way that i rarely see on this board.

diggs and 'eersskins for co-mvp!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

[Diggs]

You kinda make my point for me here. Filling your conference with team who recently jumped to D1 isn't much of an argument for a quality conference. I always think that if you beat a team soundly you can say you are a better team. FSU and Miami were better than VT last year. I don't know how you say your are better than a team that beat you on your home field by 17pts. It's not like I'm saying you lost to a team VT beat so that means VT is better. This was head to head and even a home game for WVU. No arguments that I can see hold any water. We'll have to determine next year differently since WVU is off the hook head to head.:D

Well, the point was the Big East had no choice but to go after these programs to fill their conference because of the way everything was handled by the ACC and the benedict arnold of universities. But you'll notice that things are working quite fine by that approach which is VERY promising. Just because team A beats team B, it doesn't mean team A is better than team B. that's why sports have playoff systems and rankings set up. Duke loses to FSU or other crappy bball schools every year, but does that make those schools better bball teams than duke? of course not. btw, duke sucks.

Moral of the story: Redskins AND WVU have great shots at winning their respective championships this year! :D :cheers:

[Major Harris]

please, vtech fans, for your own sake, quit. you are being owned in a way that i rarely see on this board.

diggs and 'eersskins for co-mvp!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:


you guys are wise to listen to my sage advice. :ciao:

[hokie4redskins]

you guys are wise to listen to my sage advice. :ciao:

Sage advice, huh?

thing is, i don't think i bring much to the table.

Ok, whatever. You get your panties all in a wad at the mere mention of a WVU critique by the fan of a team that whooped you. Yeah, you guys aren't insecure at all.

:laugh:

This was the "vehemence" I was referring to in my first post. But, this is rehashing the same BS and I'm trying to avoid the same pointless, vicious cycle.

[Diggs]

please, vtech fans, for your own sake, quit. you are being owned in a way that i rarely see on this board.

diggs and 'eersskins for co-mvp!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

Whoo hoo! I couldn't have done it without my one of a kind passion for WVU athletics as well as my enjoyment to point out the shortcomings in Hokie logic and those who support them. :cheers:

http://www.mos-sports.com/bball/rickeymvp90.jpg

"......but today, I am the greatest!" :laugh:

[Jody]

Come on, you don't give Beamer any respect for booting out his starting QB, especially without a blue chipper behind him?

No respect here. Beamer should've benched his ass the second he stomped on that kid from L'ville, Bowl game or not.

[The Evil Genius]

No respect here. Beamer should've benched his ass the second he stomped on that kid from L'ville, Bowl game or not.

Especially with the other problems that Vick had been associated with (the 1 year alcohol/underage suspension) and the immature gestures to the crowd in Mo'town.

But, I can't blame Beamer sticking with the only QB who get them a win in the Gator Bowl against a team playing a 2nd string QB. ;)

[EersSkins05]

please, vtech fans, for your own sake, quit. you are being owned in a way that i rarely see on this board.

diggs and 'eersskins for co-mvp!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

First of all, I'd like to thank Jesus...

[Inxsive]

Well, the point was the Big East had no choice but to go after these programs to fill their conference because of the way everything was handled by the ACC and the benedict arnold of universities. But you'll notice that things are working quite fine by that approach which is VERY promising. Just because team A beats team B, it doesn't mean team A is better than team B. that's why sports have playoff systems and rankings set up. Duke loses to FSU or other crappy bball schools every year, but does that make those schools better bball teams than duke? of course not. btw, duke sucks.

Moral of the story: Redskins AND WVU have great shots at winning their respective championships this year! :D :cheers:


I love how you call them benedict arnolds when WVU would have jumped at the chance but they wern't invited. West Virginia didn't bring anything to the table. They are located in a depressed state with more meth labs that people with 6 figure incomes. Why do you think things are working fine with adding teams like you mentioned. The only thing that it did was give WVU a cushy schedule. Last time I checked D1 doesn't have a playoff so I don't know why you brought that up. Maybe it's because several of the Big East teams belong in D2 where they do have a playoff.;) I'm not saying that WVU doesn't have a shot at winning alot of games, with the teams on their schedule they better.

Wow, I just looked at their schedule, it's worse than I thought. They play ONE team in the top 40. Here is a rundown of each team they play in terms of their ranking;

101
55
78
90
113
75
18
86
73
56
45
Also, Eastern Washington is not even a D1 team so they don't even show up in the top 119.

If you average the Big east rankings it comes out to 59th. That is horrible! Well if WVU can go undefeated then you better hope that two teams don't because with that weak ass schedule they will lose any tie. In fact I bet there will be some teams with one loss ranked above them.

[Major Harris]

I love how you call them benedict arnolds when WVU would have jumped at the chance but they wern't invited. West Virginia didn't bring anything to the table. They are located in a depressed state with more meth labs that people with 6 figure incomes. Why do you think things are working fine with adding teams like you mentioned. The only thing that it did was give WVU a cushy schedule. Last time I checked D1 doesn't have a playoff so I don't know why you brought that up. Maybe it's because several of the Big East teams belong in D2 where they do have a playoff.;) I'm not saying that WVU doesn't have a shot at winning alot of games, with the teams on their schedule they better.

Wow, I just looked at their schedule, it's worse than I thought. They play ONE team in the top 40. Here is a rundown of each team they play in terms of their ranking;

101
55
78
90
113
75
18
86
73
56
45
Also, Eastern Washington is not even a D1 team so they don't even show up in the top 119.

If you average the Big east rankings it comes out to 59th. That is horrible! Well if WVU can go undefeated then you better hope that two teams don't because with that weak ass schedule they will lose any tie. In fact I bet there will be some teams with one loss ranked above them.
your stereotypes show your true colors.
that, and the fact that you're a gmu alum talking smack in a wv thread on behalf of vtech. assclown.

[Inxsive]

your stereotypes show your true colors.
that, and the fact that you're a gmu alum talking smack in a wv thread on behalf of vtech. assclown.


Assclown...lol...I guess some stereotypes hold true.:laugh: My fault, I'm sure WV doesn't have many meth labs and it's a hign income state, silly me. Why do you think a GMU grad talking smack on behalf of vtech is a problem. Not Hillbilly enough?:doh1: No comment of the weak ass schedule? You can't admit that it is extremely weak?:doh:

[Diggs]

your stereotypes show your true colors.
that, and the fact that you're a gmu alum talking smack in a wv thread on behalf of vtech. assclown.

There's only so much you can argue with somebody that doesn't know the facts. Facts meaning why things are the way they are... example: Yes, WVU is playing Eastern Washington. Anybody can see that on the schedule and make fun of WVU for playing them. But did they first do the research as to WHY WVU is playing them? If they did, they'd see that another D1 team has reneged on the contract, forcing WVU to scramble to fill that game on the schedule. Hmmm...come to think of it, one of the reasons the Big East has a weaker SoS now is because the ACC raided the Big East, forcing league members to do the same thing. So, WVU and the Big East teams are doing the best with the cards they were dealt, that with things that are out of their control. So.. do they have a weak schedule? Sure. Can we do anything about it? Not this year, only for down the road. It must really irk you that we play patsies and STILL are top 5 and STILL have a chance for a Championship! Good times.

[The Evil Genius]

Assclown...lol...I guess some stereotype hold true.:laugh: My fault, I'm sure WV doesn't have many meth labs and it's a hign income state, silly me. Why do you think a GMU grad talking smack on behalf of vtech is a problem. Not Hillbilly enough?:doh1: No comment of the weak ass schedule? You can't admit that it is extremely weak?:doh:

It appears weak.

The inherent flaw is that you use last year's rankings as a basis for this year's schedule. People try to do that with NFL schedules as well and it always drives me crazy.

A true analysis will onlt be accurate after this year's schedule is played out.


As for WV/meth labs, etc...have you ever been in Motgantown? It's considerably less hick than say, Blacksburg or anything else in western Virginia.

You should know, Nothern Central/Western WV (which is where Mo'town is located) is more blue collar/steelworker than backwoods. Sure, the people may talk funny, but you would here more twang in the Southern part of the state and southwestern part of Va.

And let's not even mention the bastardized panhandle of the state. It's more DC and trees than anything else. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

Assclown...lol...I guess some stereotypes hold true.:laugh: My fault, I'm sure WV doesn't have many meth labs and it's a hign income state, silly me. Why do you think a GMU grad talking smack on behalf of vtech is a problem. Not Hillbilly enough?:doh1: No comment of the weak ass schedule? You can't admit that it is extremely weak?:doh:
didn't say we don't have meth labs. didn't say we're a high income state.
still wondering how this applies. ass clown.

[Jody]

There are probably more meth labs in Va. Beach alone, than any state on the east coast. But that has nothing to do NCAA football, or the fact that WVU would throttle the Hokies this year. I'm sure VT is happy they're in the ACC now. Oh well, maybe we'll meet up in a Bowl game, but I highly doubt that.........don't you.

[Inxsive]

It appears weak.

The inherent flaw is that you use last year's rankings as a basis for this year's schedule. People try to do that with NFL schedules as well and it always drives me crazy.

A true analysis will onlt be accurate after this year's schedule is played out.


As for WV/meth labs, etc...have you ever been in Motgantown? It's considerably less hick than say, Blacksburg or anything else in western Virginia.

You should know, Nothern Central/Western WV (which is where Mo'town is located) is more blue collar/steelworker than backwoods. Sure, the people may talk funny, but you would here more twang in the Southern part of the state and southwestern part of Va.

And let's not even mention the bastardized panhandle of the state. It's more DC and trees than anything else. :laugh:

I used the ranking that was updated today on Sportsline. So if a true analysis can only be made after the season then whats the point of this thread? Why discuss next season at all by that reasoning?

Unfortuantly I spent over 6 months in West Virginia and easter Ohio not too long ago for work. It's depressing, parts are pretty but not the parts where the people are living. I fully admit that parts of WV mentality spill over into VA. Hell, we can't even secure our nation borders! ;) Someone please explain the view that you should start hundreds of fires in your own area after a football game. I don't get it.

[Inxsive]

There are probably more meth labs in Va. Beach alone, than any state on the east coast. But that has nothing to do NCAA football, or the fact that WVU would throttle the Hokies this year. I'm sure VT is happy they're in the ACC now. Oh well, maybe we'll meet up in a Bowl game, but I highly doubt that.........don't you.

Do you think any team in the ACC has an easier schedule than WVU?

[mjah]

Now, if you mean they don't mean squat as being preseason ranked high means nothing compared to being ranked high after the season (i.e., Tenn. was a preseason top 5 and finished outside of the rankings..ouch)
Bingo.

Just play the games.

[Major Harris]

inxsive, you are exposed. you are a bandwagon fan from nova, that forgets that blacksburg is just as hillbilly as the state you make fun of.
you went to gmu.....how 'bout this: gmu was the WORST final 4 team ever.

[Inxsive]

The last thing I'll say with reguards to VT and Miami leaving, you have to be happy they are gone. West Virginia was a combined 4-15 against those two teams in the last 10 years. It clears the way for you guys to dominate the Big East...Enjoy the remains!:cheers:

[Inxsive]

inxsive, you are exposed. you are a bandwagon fan from nova, that forgets that blacksburg is just as hillbilly as the state you make fun of.
you went to gmu.....how 'bout this: gmu was the WORST final 4 team ever.

LOL, I have no dilutions of greatness for GMU unlike you WVU fans. Botom line is that they did make to the final four and beat 3 of the last 5 nations champs on their way. There is a big difference between locals around a college town and AN ENTIRE STATE!:laugh:

[Major Harris]

LOL, I have no dilutions of greatness for GMU unlike you WVU fans. Botom line is that they did make to the final four and beat 3 of the last 5 nations champs on their way. There is a big difference between locals around a college town and AN ENTIRE STATE!:laugh:
what's the difference? the difference is gmu has no following. none. 90% of their fans are bandwagon fans.

i'm assuming dilutions was supposed to be delusions. ;)

i'll just say this, because you obviously aren't worth anymore time:

you came in to a WVU THREAD and started talking smack. once you realized that your arguments held no water, you resorted to the easy route of stereotypes and insults. assclown.

and for the record: it's not an entire state. there are those lost souls that root for the herd. :doh:

[Jody]

The last thing I'll say with reguards to VT and Miami leaving, you have to be happy they are gone. West Virginia was a combined 4-15 against those two teams in the last 10 years. It clears the way for you guys to dominate the Big East...Enjoy the remains!:cheers:

Isn't it funny that the VT guys are suddenly Miami backers? What happend to all the B.C. hoopla? You all talk about the ACC like it's Big 10 football, and that's fine with me, but that doesn't change the fact that WVU would throttle the Hokies this year.....and you know it.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Meth labs? Locals? WTF happened to this thread :whoknows:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Isn't it funny that the VT guys are suddenly Miami backers? What happend to all the B.C. hoopla? You all talk about the ACC like it's Big 10 football, and that's fine with me, but that doesn't change the fact that WVU would throttle the Hokies this year.....and you know it.


Actually not at all. We return another damn good defense, and our special teams would make the difference like it did in the 2004 game

It would be a very similar slug fest, but WVU would not walk away from Blacksburg winners

[Major Harris]

Meth labs? Locals? WTF happened to this thread :whoknows:
i'll tell you what happened...........
a couple of vtech fans stumbled into a wvu thread and started talking smack. they eventually got thoroughly OWNED, so one of them decides to start throwing around stereotypical comments about our great state, even though it had zero bearing on the debate/ ownage.


but we're obsessed. :rolleyes:

[mjah]

I'm pretty sure GMU has earned the right to walk into threads "belonging to" all but 3 other basketball schools in the country and work a little smack magic.

If 90% of their fans are bandwagon, more power to the players for getting to the Final Four with almost no consistent year-to-year support. The GMU bandwagon didn't even exist until this year, so you know those guys matirculated at the school with exactly zero hope for ever going anywhere in the Big Dance.

It's a completely different world for the GMUs of the world than for the majors.

And the fact remains that even if they were casually dispatched once they reached the Final Four, they got there and earned every victory along the way. Those of us who have followed our schools along that path know how hard it is, no matter how good your team is. It's always tough, and only the tough teams make it that far. This year, they were the only area team good enough to get that far.

I say all of this with the assumption that GMU basically won't make any more tournament noise for the rest of our lives, BTW. So feel free to ding 'em for that until they prove otherwise. :D

Their accomplishments this year, however, stand on their own.

But enough rational discourse. Back to the WVU vs. VT lovefest.

[SkinsHokieFan]

please, vtech fans, for your own sake, quit. you are being owned in a way that i rarely see on this board.

diggs and 'eersskins for co-mvp!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:


And this is where I step in

http://www.trueppc.com/albums/album528/Picture_006.sized.jpg

Hello McFly!!!! The ACC Big East raid was all about TV revenues, and the BCS spot.

Lets look at the MONEY, cuz this where it all matters, SHOW ME THE MONEY BABY

Seriously, you Eers cannot be that damn dense? Its like talking to a damn brick wall at times

May 15, 2004
Big East loses big on TV deal

In the wake of the ACC television deal, ESPN and the Big East are renegotiating their television deal. The current deal is said to be worth about $10 million a year. ESPN wants to pay less. The Big East doesn't want to give up any money. So, it's headed to arbitration.

Two facts come into focus here: First, the Big East is going to take a hit financially. Their product is much weaker and appeals to a smaller audience without Virginia Tech and Miami. You have to presume that a future deal will also take the BC departure into account. Add all the teams you like, it will still be a net loss in terms of TV markets and interest. Second, ESPN isn't going to have the slots to offer the Big East. With more and more TV exposure going to the ACC, the Big East teams are going to be pushed over to regional broadcasts for the bulk of their TV exposure.

Even if the Big East doesn't give up any money in the ESPN deal, they still will earn only about a third of what the ACC deal is worth. Ouch.

Big East adds more exciting bowl destinations

Just when you though the bowl season couldn't get any more high-tone in the Big East, in strolls geographically-challenged Michael Tranghese.

The BIG EAST Conference has aligned itself with two new bowls - the International Bowl in Toronto, Ontario, and the Birmingham Bowl in Birmingham, Ala., -- Commissioner Michael Tranghese announced.

So, the post-season games for the Big East are:
1) BCS
2) Toyota Gator Bowl, Jacksonville
3) nothing else worth playing for
3) Vitalis Sun Bowl, beautiful El Paso, TX
4) Meineke Car Care Bowl, balmy Charlotte, N.C.
5) Birmingham Bowl, tropical Birmingham, Al
6) International Bowl, clean, safe, cosmopolitan Toronto, Ontario, Canada

And then there's always the Houston Bowl, presuming it stays afloat. And with eight teams trying to fill six bids, there's little chance of escaping a two-connection flight in favor of an at-large bid.

Try to temper the excitement, Big East fans.

You guys are playing a frickin bowl game in CANADA



So you guys now play with LESS TV MONEY and in CRAPPIER bowls. The 3rd place ACC team will now go to the Gator Bowl, where as the second place ACC team will hit a bigger pay day in the Peach

Guys, seriously, enjoy your success, despite the fact that you got run over on your home field last year by a 2nd place team, enjoy it real good. Because with revenues dwindling and the fact that the Big 11 nor the SEC is looking to expand (Big 10 would go for ND first before WVU, SEC already has 12) and the inevtiable split between the BEFC and Big East Bball Conference will occur, the clock is ticking

There is a reason I "pimp my conference" Because the damn thing is STABLE, I am not worried about it collapsing in 10 years nor am I worried that recruits won't want to play in the ACC. 4 straight incredibly strong classes (2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006) have laid quite the nice foundation for an MNC run in 2007 and 2008. And in order to get there we will have to beat the best in Miami, FSU, and LSU (play them in 2007) as well as a 2nd tier consisting of quality teams such as NCSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, and BC, who would slap silly the Big East's 2nd tier

I want my conference members to do well, and play well. The Big East was 1-3 in bowl games last year and has a weak product. That is the argument here fellas, your days are numbered. Enjoy the ride though, it really is fun to be in the national title talk and go to a national championship game.

In contrast to that Virginia Tech has seen revenues grow exponentialy

Virginia Tech Athletics Operating Revenues (in millions)
Category 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000
Football ticket sales
and guarantees $13.072 $11.694 $11.376 $6.799 $7.384 $5.470
Men's basketball ticket sales 1.952 1.325 0.599 0.552 0.715 0.490
Women's basketball ticket sales 0.217 0.201 0.158 0.149 0.160 0.154
Conf. and NCAA disbursements 8.818 4.058 3.471 3.920 4.095 6.077
Student activity fees 5.841 5.782 5.775 5.826 5.829 5.660
Contributions 10.392 9.738 6.629 5.775 6.059 4.616
All other 5.438 6.039 5.543 3.886 4.300 3.768
Total revenues $45.730 $38.837 $33.551 $26.907 $28.542 $26.235


There are a couple areas I highligted, one being conference disbursments. In January of 2000 Virginia Tech played in the national championship game, and from that, along with TV revenue sharing in the Big East earned 6 million

In January of 2005, Virginia Tech once again returned to the Sugar Bowl, which had a bowl payout of the same 13 million as the national championship game in 2000 and earned 2 million more, while still not getting a FULL share of ACC revenue sharing.

Seeing how I posted a WVU athletic department finances article a few months ago I do not feel like re-hasing that argument

Point being, our long term future is great. If you guys want to play in a crappy conference which gets fewer and fewer games on TV, enjoy it. Because 12-0 against the likes of Rutgers, UConn, USF, Cincinatti, a 1-10 Syracuse team, and a Wanny coached Pitt team aint exactly murderers row there fellas, and eventually, within the next decade, the BEFC will be a thing of the past because of declining revenues


If I really want to throw salt in the beat down I just gave, I'll talk about you sending a spy in a Benz to Marshall to chart their plays :laugh:

The score now is this

SkinsHokieFan 10 million

WVU fans on ES 0 :laugh:

http://hokiestone.net/v/WardBlock.gif

[Diggs]

And this is where I step in

Hello McFly!!!! The ACC Big East raid was all about TV revenues, and the BCS spot.

Lets look at the MONEY, cuz this where it all matters, SHOW ME THE MONEY BABY

Seriously, you Eers cannot be that damn dense? Its like talking to a damn brick wall at times





You guys are playing a frickin bowl game in CANADA



So you guys now play with LESS TV MONEY and in CRAPPIER bowls. The 3rd place ACC team will now go to the Gator Bowl, where as the second place ACC team will hit a bigger pay day in the Peach

Guys, seriously, enjoy your success, despite the fact that you got run over on your home field last year by a 2nd place team, enjoy it real good. Because with revenues dwindling and the fact that the Big 11 nor the SEC is looking to expand (Big 10 would go for ND first before WVU, SEC already has 12) and the inevtiable split between the BEFC and Big East Bball Conference will occur, the clock is ticking

There is a reason I "pimp my conference" Because the damn thing is STABLE, I am not worried about it collapsing in 10 years nor am I worried that recruits won't want to play in the ACC. 4 straight incredibly strong classes (2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006) have laid quite the nice foundation for an MNC run in 2007 and 2008. And in order to get there we will have to beat the best in Miami, FSU, and LSU (play them in 2007) as well as a 2nd tier consisting of quality teams such as NCSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, and BC, who would slap silly the Big East's 2nd tier

I want my conference members to do well, and play well. The Big East was 1-3 in bowl games last year and has a weak product. That is the argument here fellas, your days are numbered. Enjoy the ride though, it really is fun to be in the national title talk and go to a national championship game.

In contrast to that Virginia Tech has seen revenues grow exponentialy



There are a couple areas I highligted, one being conference disbursments. In January of 2000 Virginia Tech played in the national championship game, and from that, along with TV revenue sharing in the Big East earned 6 million

In January of 2005, Virginia Tech once again returned to the Sugar Bowl, which had a bowl payout of the same 13 million as the national championship game in 2000 and earned 2 million more, while still not getting a FULL share of ACC revenue sharing.

Seeing how I posted a WVU athletic department finances article a few months ago I do not feel like re-hasing that argument

Point being, our long term future is great. If you guys want to play in a crappy conference which gets fewer and fewer games on TV, enjoy it. Because 12-0 against the likes of Rutgers, UConn, USF, Cincinatti, a 1-10 Syracuse team, and a Wanny coached Pitt team aint exactly murderers row there fellas, and eventually, within the next decade, the BEFC will be a thing of the past because of declining revenues


If I really want to throw salt in the beat down I just gave, I'll talk about you sending a spy in a Benz to Marshall to chart their plays :laugh:

The score now is this

SkinsHokieFan 10 million

WVU fans on ES 0 :laugh:




Wait a second. Nobody is arguing that the Big East (football side) got the better of the deal (the basketball, side? wow). But WVU is currently in fantastic shape (as previously mentioned...). We are ranked in the top 1-5 in many expert polls. We have players with heisman consideration. We have one of the, IF NOT THE, hottest coach in the country. We currently have ESPN and other national media outlets knocking down our door. Sure the ACC made a move to make more money, that's obvious. (Will it happen? Maybe not, but that's we play the game.) Like I said, the NBE is still in its infancy and was dealt the shorthand of the stick. They are suriviving as of now. What will happen in 6 years? No idea. No way ND joins a conference. I don't give a crap what Rutgers is doing in 8 years. I worry about WVU and we BELONG in the national title hunt wherever we are, and we've proven that. But, back to the point of the thread which NOBODY can disagree with: :laugh: like it or not, (well, no just keep hating the fact) WVU is in fantastic shape and is going into the season with a great chance at playing for the title. :laugh:

...and what's with the old video of WVU linebacker Kyle Kayden getting blocked during a kickoff return? Should i post videos of kevin jones getting repeatedly stuffed at the line of scrimmage in 2003? or maybe the all-time record between the series? we're talking this year! Good luck to VT, fighting with NC St. Ga Tech, Clemson for the chance at the Gator Bowl. Or you could just blow away the conference and lay an egg in the conference title game again. :doh:

I don't care what some fans say, I hope we bring back this series fast. It is a great rivalry. :cheers:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Hey dude

First don't quote my entire block of text, that is bad form, especially with the graphics and gif in it

And 2nd, the crux of our argument has been, do you honestly think WVU is ranked number 5 and a national title contender if you are either in the ACC or VT, Miami and BC are still in the BE?

[EersSkins05]

Hey dude

First don't quote my entire block of text, that is bad form, especially with the graphics and gif in it

And 2nd, the crux of our argument has been, do you honestly think WVU is ranked number 5 and a national title contender if you are either in the ACC or VT, Miami and BC are still in the BE?

The answer: I don't know, and I really don't care. :laugh:

Hey, maybe VT would be getting this kind of press, attention, and expectations if they'd stayed in the Big East.

As is, at least the University Fatcats are making a ton of money while you're on here complaining that WVU shouldn't be getting the above mentioned attention because of how hard it is in your conference now... lol

Was VT's move smart fiscally? Yeah, probably. Was it smart competatively? Well, take a look at where the two programs stand now and you tell me. I don't see too much doubt in the eyes of WVU fans as they post this:

http://msnsportsnet.com/content/RichRodriguez1506.jpg

And despite our "pathetic" conference, we sure aren't having any problems generating interest or selling tickets. :D

[Inxsive]

what's the difference? the difference is gmu has no following. none. 90% of their fans are bandwagon fans.

i'm assuming dilutions was supposed to be delusions. ;)

i'll just say this, because you obviously aren't worth anymore time:

you came in to a WVU THREAD and started talking smack. once you realized that your arguments held no water, you resorted to the easy route of stereotypes and insults. assclown.

and for the record: it's not an entire state. there are those lost souls that root for the herd. :doh:

Lets review;

West Virginia is in a terrible conference now (only 3 teams even had winning records)

They got smoked by VT by 17 at home.

Miami and VT leaving was a blessing for WVU considering both teams owned them (4-15 over the last 10 years)


Next years schedule is extremely weak, only 1 game against a top 40 team.

All those statements hold water, if not please show me where the facts are wrong. I made generalizations, you started with the individual personal attacks.

Virginia Tech was relevant to a claim that WVU has a shot to win the championship considering they were the one team that WVU lost to and do not have to play them next year. They really don’t have to play anybody, 8 games are against teams in the bottom ½ of D1 or D2.

WVU seems to suffer from little man’s complex. They don’t get any respect, even on the rare occasion when they deserve it, and I’m sure that’s tough for the fans. No one likes to be ignored, even in the woods. :cry:

On a final note, I think it’s great that you chose a login ID of a total professional bust on a professional football board. I know it had to be hard choice between him and let’s say Ryan Leaf.:rotflmao:

[Diggs]

Hey dude

First don't quote my entire block of text, that is bad form, especially with the graphics and gif in it

Hey dude, IDGAF! I was in a hurry. You happy now?


And 2nd, the crux of our argument has been, do you honestly think WVU is ranked number 5 and a national title contender if you are either in the ACC or VT, Miami and BC are still in the BE?

Doesn't matter what I think, what you think, or what Lee Corso thinks. The fact of the matter is that WVU is ranked (in the top 5 at least) number 5 and is a national title contender. No ifs, ands or buts. Only facts.

[Diggs]

(Just a friendly reminder that even sportswriters don't give a crap anymore about the argument that a "watered down" big east is irrelevant to big time college football)

Changing the forecast from doom to boom
March 14, 2006

Matt Hayes

If only he had it in him. If only Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese weren't such a nice guy, such a polished administrator. If only he were someone who'd call a punk a punk.

So while we're all gushing about the big, bad Big East this week as the most entertaining tournament in sports begins, let us reflect on the real madness: Big East football made a huge statement two months ago. And damn near everyone has forgotten about it.

"I'm just not the kind of guy who says I told you so," Tranghese says.

So I'll say it for him, punks.

OK, there's one eensy-weensy problem.