Chris Henry trying to outdo Marcus Vick?

[SkinsHokieFan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2470257

Bengals' Henry arrested for third time since December

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

The troubled offseason of Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry has continued, with the one-year veteran arrested early Saturday and charged with speeding and operating a vehicle under the influence (OVI), the Ohio State Highway Patrol has confirmed.


Henry
The arrest is the third since December for Henry, who was already facing possible league sanctions under the terms of the NFL personal conduct policy. Henry is also the second Bengals player arrested this week. Rookie linebacker A.J. Nicholson, a fifth-round selection in the April draft, was charged Saturday with burglarizing the apartment of a former Florida State teammate.

Sgt. Kevin Long of the Ohio State Highway Patrol said Henry was stopped on Interstate 275, on the east side of Cincinnati, at 1:18 a.m., after being clocked driving 82 mph in a 65 mph zone. Because officers detected the odor of alcohol, a field sobriety test was conducted, and Henry was subsequently transported to the Milford, Ohio police station.

Long said that Henry registered a .092 reading on the blood-alcohol test. The legal limit in Ohio is .08.

"Mr. Henry agreed to the test and he was polite, courteous and cooperative the entire time," Long said, citing the police report. "He was issued a traffic citation and he [eventually] left with a friend. There was no bail involved and he was issued a court date."

Henry is scheduled for a Friday appearance in Clermont County Municipal Court. The speeding charge, Long said, is a minor misdemeanor. The OVI charge is a first-degree misdemeanor. Any fines or further sanctions resulting from the incident will be determined by the court.

Citing club policy, Bengals public relations director Jack Brennan on Sunday afternoon declined comment on the Henry arrest.

Henry, 23, faces a felony gun charge in Florida stemming from a Jan. 29 incident in which he allegedly possessed a firearm outside an Orlando nightclub. Henry is charged with possession of a concealed firearm in that incident, a third-degree felony in Florida, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Two other charges from that incident, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and improper exhibition of a weapon, were dropped.

Last week, Henry's trial date on the concealed weapon charge was delayed until late August. The trial was originally to have started last Tuesday. A pretrial hearing will be convened Aug. 8.

In December, the former West Virginia University standout was arrested in Covington, Ky., and charged with possession of marijuana. Henry pled guilty to the charge to avoid jail time, paid a fine of $250 and agreed to spend 28 days in a drug rehabilitation program, a stipulation which he has already completed.

A third-round choice in the 2005 draft, and the 83rd player selected overall, Henry signed a five-year, $2.79 million contract that included a signing bonus of $865,000. He quickly earned a spot as Cincinnati's No. 3 wide receiver, behind starters Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh, a key role in an offense that often relies on spread-type formations.

Henry appeared in 14 games, starting five, and had 31 receptions for 422 yards and six touchdowns.

Under the NFL personal conduct policy, he could be subject to a fine, a suspension, or both.

[hokie4redskins]

This story is a figment of our imagination. Eers are angels. PB said so.

[EersSkins05]

How did I know that there was going to be a thread relating Chris Henry to WVU athletics...

What they do after they leave the school is none of my concern. (Especially when that person was essentially kicked off the team for being a ****head in the first place. There's a reason my WVU fansite has a weekly award called the Chris Henry ***hole of the Week.)

It's the conduct during their time at the school that indicates a thuggish program.

[The Evil Genius]

How did I know that there was going to be a thread relating Chris Henry to WVU athletics...

What they do after they leave the school is none of my concern. (Especially when that person was essentially kicked off the team for being a ****head in the first place. There's a reason my WVU fansite has a weekly award called the Chris Henry ***hole of the Week.)

It's the conduct during their time at the school that indicates a thuggish program.


A valid point that some people here cannot wrap their minds around. And while I do not condone speeding, and very much do not condone driving while intoxicated, I would think that this isn't of the major infraction that brings a black eye to a program (like a rape of a minor, or robbing your teammates, or beating your gf/wife which goes on in other programs).

What it speaks of is immaturity. Busted for pot, busted for a concealed firearm, and busted for speeding/DUI. Seems like Mr. Henry has a lot of growing up to do.

[EersSkins05]

Not to be construed as defending Chris Henry or defending drinking and driving in any way, but it should be noted that being .012 over the legal limit for DUI isn't THAT much. That's like 1 beer in a 2 hour period.

[hokie4redskins]

How did I know that there was going to be a thread relating Chris Henry to WVU athletics...

What they do after they leave the school is none of my concern. (Especially when that person was essentially kicked off the team for being a ****head in the first place. There's a reason my WVU fansite has a weekly award called the Chris Henry ***hole of the Week.)

It's the conduct during their time at the school that indicates a thuggish program.

Fair enough, but Henry was probably a ****head numerous times and got numerous second chances before he got kicked off the team. Uh, kinda like Marcus Vick? Yet VT is the thug school even after we discipline him and kick the brother of the dude who put VT on the map off the team?

Yeah, ok. Oh the hypocrisy.

:rolleyes:

[EersSkins05]

Fair enough, but Henry was probably a ****head numerous times and got numerous second chances before he got kicked off the team.

Please cite examples.

Thank you.

[PleaseBlitz]

I think im at a .092 right now and I havent drank since saturday. Lightweight.

[hokie4redskins]

Please cite examples.

Thank you.

Are you joking? You said yourself he got kicked off for being a ****head. YOU cite the examples. Obviously you know more about Henry than I do considering you give out an "award" in his name. Or, are you insinuating that he acted like a douche one time and RRod booted him? Um, ok.

VT kicks a legend's brother off the team for the same reason, yet we're a thug program. Again, you all are hypocrites.

[The Evil Genius]

Are you joking? You said yourself he got kicked off for being a ****head. YOU cite the examples. Obviously you know more about Henry than I do considering you give out an "award" in his name. Or, are you insinuating that he acted like a douche one time and RRod booted him? Um, ok.

VT kicks a legend's brother off the team for the same reason, yet we're a thug program. Again, you all are hypocrites.

Chris Henry's problems at WVU solely stem from on field celebrations and quitting routes (although it might be missing practices, honetly I am hazy on the 2nd part).

Selfish & immature no doubt, but his troubles with the law have come after WVU, as far as I know.

[PleaseBlitz]

I find it very very comical that Hokie4skins doesnt actually KNOW the circumstances surrounding Chris Henry being dismissed from the WVU football team, but he ASSUMES that its as bad as Marcus Vick. :laugh:

Trust me, its not even in the same universe.

[EersSkins05]

Well, I guess if you don't know why Chris Henry was forced/allowed to leave WVU or what he got into while he was there, your wrongful categorization of him in the likes of Marcus Vick is more understandable.

Chris Henry was suspended from the team his junior season (his last) for drawing two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (leading to his ejection) in one game (against Rutgers), and then flipping off the fans on his way to the locker room. That suspension was for one half of the Temple game the following week (and I criticized Coach Rod on my site at the time that it was far too lenient.)

Later, word came out that he hadn't attended any classes in nearly a month, and he was suspended for the Pitt game that was eventually the deciding game in WVU's season. After he kissed enough *** and made up the work in the classroom, he was reinstated for the Gator Bowl, in which he acted like the prima dona we had come to realize that he was.

Because of his unwillingness to conform to the concept of "team" and (so the rumors went, which were probably true) the final grades he made during the fall semester of his last season, he was asked not to return for his senior season- something he had apparently been planning for all along.

Not once was he arrested. Not once was off-field conduct (other than going to class) an issue.

He just acted like a punk ON THE FIELD, which I why I called him a ****head, and why our site dedicated the CHAW award to him.

Compare that to Vick being arrested a whopping 4 times while a member of the Virginia Tech football team and you'll understand how the two are dissimilar, and WVU fans are not, in fact, "hypocrites."

[hokie4redskins]

Well holy crap, it sounds like Henry and Vick are long lost soul mates then, doesn't it? Considering his off-field transgressions since he left WVU, it's probably safe to assume he did the same crap while AT Wvu. They're both thugs, they both got kicked off the team for the same ****. Yet WVU is somehow exempt? HA! Yes, you're hypocrites.

[The Evil Genius]

Only in Blacksburg do 4 arrests = 0 arrests.

[PleaseBlitz]

Only in Blacksburg do 4 arrests = 0 arrests.


No, were suppossed to ASSUME that Henry got arrested a coupla times. So what if it didnt actually happen.


Oh, and then there is this one:

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. -- West Virginia University's football team has lost three players for failing to meet program standards off the field, said Sports Information Director Shelly Poe.

Junior backs Pernell Williams and Tyler Benoit, along with defensive lineman Chad Mayse, have left the program. Poe declined to comment further, citing privacy issues.

Word is they met NCAA standards. They didnt meet RichRods standards.

[EersSkins05]

Well holy crap, it sounds like Henry and Vick are long lost soul mates then, doesn't it? Considering his off-field transgressions since he left WVU, it's probably safe to assume he did the same crap while AT Wvu. They're both thugs, they both got kicked off the team for the same ****. Yet WVU is somehow exempt? HA! Yes, you're hypocrites.

Oh, we're assuming crimes now. Okee dokee... :rolleyes:

I guess you're also assuming that every time Marcus Vick broke the law, he got caught? :laugh:

You're right though- they both are thugs. The difference is that Chris Henry wasn't a thug at WVU. He was just an ***hole. He was booted from the team for not making grades and getting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

That's a weeeeeee bit different than being handed the reigns of his team after being arrested for wreckless driving/marijuana possession and contributing to the delinquincy of a minor (acquitted on statutory rape charges), wouldn't you say?

[Major Harris]

hokie4, your determination is almost admirable.

[The Evil Genius]

Look guys, no one's program is squeaky clean. They can't be if they want to compete at the Div I level - that's a fact of life. College kids make stupid decisions, and coaches (from Joe Pa to Steve Spurrier) handle their kids in almost the same way - they give them the benefit of doubt.

Chris Henry's problems with the law (Pac Man Jones's also) have come after leaving the program. I would attribute most of those problems to 2 things - immaturity and having more $'s than anyone should.

It doesn't excuse them from their actions, nor does it excuse WVU from having these pricks come out of their program (I wish to god they came from somewhere else).

That said, WVU's ties to them ended when they both choose to leave school early. Why did they leave school? Well that's "debateable", but I think Pac Man left for the dollars and Henry for the "glory". And only one would have been welcomed back - Pac Man - with open arms.

[hokie4redskins]

I guess you're also assuming that every time Marcus Vick broke the law, he got caught? :laugh:

As much as you're assuming that Henry never broke the law because he never got caught.

:rolleyes:

Please dude. Let's say Henry's last name was say........oh, I dunno, VICK, little brother of an NFL superstar, where every movement he made was placed under a microscope. You think Henry would've evaded the attention from cops?

You're right though- they both are thugs. The difference is that Chris Henry wasn't a thug at WVU. He was just an ***hole. He was booted from the team for not making grades and getting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

Um ok, he never lived the thug life until the second he left Morgantown. Whatever you say.

:laugh:

That's a weeeeeee bit different than being handed the reigns of his team after being arrested for wreckless driving/marijuana possession

You mean the same thing Henry was busted for? Just making sure. I suppose Henry didn't touch the ganj in college, huh?

:rolleyes:


WRs aren't generally "handed the reigns [sic]". Vick (QB) was "handed the reigns [sic]" after a year SUSPENSION with the acknowledgment that if he f'd up again, he was out. He f'd up and was booted. What did you expect Beamer to do? Boot Mike's little brother after one strike after all he did for the university?

You eer fans are seriously reaching here. Just drop the holier than thou act, admit that your program has the same thug problems, and this argument is over.

[EersSkins05]

You eer fans are seriously reaching here. Just drop the holier than thou act, admit that your program has the same thug problems, and this argument is over.

You're assuming that Chris Henry, never arrested while at WVU, was committing multiple crimes that he was never caught/charged/tried for, while assuming that Marcus Vick just got caught because he was in the public eye as Michael's younger brother?

Riiiiiiiight.

(It's not hard to be in the public eye when you're doing 86 in a 65 at 4 am with two bags of weed in your car... lol)

And we're the ones reaching? Really?

[hokie4redskins]

Look guys, no one's program is squeaky clean. They can't be if they want to compete at the Div I level - that's a fact of life. College kids make stupid decisions, and coaches (from Joe Pa to Steve Spurrier) handle their kids in almost the same way - they give them the benefit of doubt.

Chris Henry's problems with the law (Pac Man Jones's also) have come after leaving the program. I would attribute most of those problems to 2 things - immaturity and having more $'s than anyone should.

It doesn't excuse them from their actions, nor does it excuse WVU from having these pricks come out of their program (I wish to god they came from somewhere else).

That said, WVU's ties to them ended when they both choose to leave school early. Why did they leave school? Well that's "debateable", but I think Pac Man left for the dollars and Henry for the "glory". And only one would have been welcomed back - Pac Man - with open arms.


Holy cow!! A logical and well-reasoned WVU fan?? I thought like Loch Ness and Big Foot, they were only character of myth and lore.

Thank you, TEG, for validating my arguments. To the other hypocrites.... :moon:

:cool:

[EersSkins05]

Holy cow!! A logical and well-reasoned WVU fan?? I thought like Loch Ness and Big Foot, they were only character of myth and lore.

Thank you, TEG, for validating my arguments. To the other hypocrites.... :moon:

:cool:

So you agree that their problems with the law came after leaving WVU, and WVU's ties ended with them once they left? Gotcha. :thumbsup:

[hokie4redskins]

So you agree that their problems with the law came after leaving WVU, and WVU's ties ended with them once they left? Gotcha. :thumbsup:

Rather, behavioral indiscretions happen EVERYWHERE. Including Morganhell, er, town.

This is all I've ever said. Finally, a WVU fan had the cajones to admit to this FACT. Kudos to you TEG. Though, I suppose kudos from me might interrupt the WVU circle jerk, so I take it back. Carry on.

[EersSkins05]

Rather, behavioral indiscretions happen EVERYWHERE. Including Morganhell, er, town.

This is all I've ever said. Finally, a WVU fan had the cajones to admit to this FACT. Kudos to you TEG. Though, I suppose kudos from me might interrupt the WVU circle jerk, so I take it back. Carry on.

Yes, behavioral indiscretions happen everywhere. They just seem to happen a little more often in Blacksburg and Tallahassee than most college towns. :D

[hokie4redskins]

Yes, behavioral indiscretions happen everywhere. They just seem to happen a little more often in Blacksburg and Tallahassee than most college towns. :D

Wow, I got TWO 'eer fans to admit it now. Damn, I'm good. Now you just gotta convince the other hypocrites who claim the 'eers are the 10th choir of angels.

Maybe because more people actually give a crap about Blacksburg and Tallahassee?

:whoknows:

[EersSkins05]

Wow, I got TWO 'eer fans to admit it now. Damn, I'm good. Now you just gotta convince the other hypocrites who claim the 'eers are the 10th choir of angels.

Maybe because more people actually give a crap about Blacksburg and Tallahassee?

:whoknows:

I seriously doubt it's the scrutiny (media or otherwise) that is the problem.

[Major Harris]

Wow, I got TWO 'eer fans to admit it now. Damn, I'm good. Now you just gotta convince the other hypocrites who claim the 'eers are the 10th choir of angels.

Maybe because more people actually give a crap about Blacksburg and Tallahassee?

:whoknows:
or maybe because the media finds drunk driving, marijuana possession, and contributing to the delinquency of a minor to be more news worthy than skipping class? :whoknows:

[wvuskinsfan]

this chris henry vick comparson isnt even worth talking about, i watched the bengles press confrence yesterday flipin through channels when i got to nlf network and Marvin Lewis said before we drafted him he had no problems with the law only problems with the coaching staff at wvu, i think he would know the total truth for the fact these teams to deep background checks on these guys before drafting them.


But Vick on the other hand we already know his problems

[SkinsHokieFan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2484220

And Mr. Henry's problems only continue

And he didn't break the law at WVU? Or did he just get some good coverups in Morgantown? :whoknows:

[hokie4redskins]

Drinking with underage girls? Wow, he IS Vick's soul mate.

[The Evil Genius]

Chris Henry is a dumbass.

[The Evil Genius]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2484220

And he didn't break the law at WVU? Or did he just get some good coverups in Morgantown? :whoknows:

If there were coverups for him at WVU, then WVU should be applauded for its subterfuge. I believe Morgantown is closer geographically to a big city than Blacksburg. How did they get that pesky out of state newspaper located in the city of one of its most hated rivals not to report of CH's devious doings in Mo'town?

[SkinsHokieFan]

If there were coverups for him at WVU, then WVU should be applauded for its subterfuge. I believe Morgantown is closer geographically to a big city than Blacksburg. How did they get that pesky out of state newspaper located in the city of one of its most hated rivals not to report of CH's devious doings in Mo'town?


Considering the spies you all have, I think you have some tricks up your sleeves :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

Considering the spies you all have, I think you have some tricks up your sleeves :laugh:

:D

You got it all wrong, the guy was confused and thought he was watching the making of "We Are Marshall".

[PleaseBlitz]

Hahaha. Yeah, RichRod actually kept this dumbass in line for the most part.


HORRAY FOR RICHROD!

[hokie4redskins]

If there were coverups for him at WVU, then WVU should be applauded for its subterfuge. I believe Morgantown is closer geographically to a big city than Blacksburg. How did they get that pesky out of state newspaper located in the city of one of its most hated rivals not to report of CH's devious doings in Mo'town?

Maybe because his name's not Vick?? This argument is going nowhere. You guys are trying to dismiss thug nature at WVU by saying, "Well, Henry is an asshat and RichRod kicked him off the team, he doesn't count." Guess what, Beamer did the EXACT same thing with Vick. Yet VT is the thug football program. I've dealt with Cowboy fans, Hoo fans, Canes fans, but the hypocrisy spewed from WVU fans is pretty impressive.

:rolleyes:

[SkinsHokieFan]

I love this from PFT

From PFT below
NEW WARRANT ISSUED FOR CHRIS HENRY

On Tuesday, we said that we'd continue to focus on the recovery of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger from injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident unless Chris Henry or A.J. Nicholson or Sean Taylor or Marcus Vick kill someone within the next 48 hours.

We have a winner. Sort of.

WCPO-TV reports that a warrant has been issued for the arrest of Bengals receiver Chris Henry, and that he is wanted for three counts of "unlawful transaction with a minor."

Unless Henry is alleged to have scammed a 9-year-old out of his Pokemon card collection, this thing sounds bad.

Stay tuned.

[Diggs]

I love this from PFT

LOL... gotta love the crack reporting staff that is known as pro football talk. "Bang it here for the rumor mill!" :laugh:

But seriously.. Yes, Chris Henry is a criminal, he has broken many laws now (many charges dropped or pending, but that's neither here nor there). He is probably going to do a :pooh: load of community service since he's a neato professional athlete.

However, he only violated team rules while at WVU (as far as I know). The team punished him accordingly (suspensions, etc.).

Vick, on the other hand, broke numerous laws outside the football program (as well as in the program -- see Stompgate).

Apples and oranges, no?

[SkinsHokieFan]

LOL... gotta love the crack reporting staff that is known as pro football talk. "Bang it here for the rumor mill!" :laugh:

But seriously.. Yes, Chris Henry is a criminal, he has broken many laws now (many charges dropped or pending, but that's neither here nor there). He is probably going to do a :pooh: load of community service since he's a neato professional athlete.

However, he only violated team rules while at WVU (as far as I know). The team punished him accordingly (suspensions, etc.).

Vick, on the other hand, broke numerous laws outside the football program (as well as in the program -- see Stompgate).

Apples and oranges, no?


Vick in 2003-suspended a game

2004-suspended for entire year

January 2006-thrown out of school

Punishment and terms fit the crime each time. If you think losing a year of eligibilty is a nice vacation, you are dead wrong there

Henry on the other hand was suspended a half against Temple then "encouraged" to enter the draft

Sure

[Bryan_Randall]

Marcus Vick looks like a choir boy next to Chris Henry at this point.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Marcus Vick looks like a choir boy next to Chris Henry at this point.


Eh, I won't go that far

They are both big jackasses who have brought all their troubles on themselves

[Diggs]

They are both big jackasses who have brought all their troubles on themselves

Mark it down, something most, if not all VT and WVU fans can agree on! :cheers:

[EersSkins05]

Maybe because his name's not Vick?? This argument is going nowhere. You guys are trying to dismiss thug nature at WVU by saying, "Well, Henry is an asshat and RichRod kicked him off the team, he doesn't count." Guess what, Beamer did the EXACT same thing with Vick. Yet VT is the thug football program. I've dealt with Cowboy fans, Hoo fans, Canes fans, but the hypocrisy spewed from WVU fans is pretty impressive.

:rolleyes:

Sorry, couldn't let this nonsense slide.

You're right- this argument IS going nowhere. And it's going nowhere because you cite examples of Chris Henry's run-ins with the law AFTER he was kicked off of the football team to argue this:


You guys are trying to dismiss thug nature at WVU...


Did he break the law when he was at WVU? Who knows. All we can say for sure is that he never got arrested for anything, and like TEG said, any big time coverup would be hard to pull off considering that the Pittsburgh Post Gazette has media credentials to WVU sporting events.

Chris Henry is a POS. We knew this. Rodriguez kicked him off the team before he could do anything to give the program a black eye and to create a distraction to the team last year. (Worked out nicely for WVU, it seems.)

Everything Chris Henry does now is a reflection on how much of a POS he himself is. He doesn't have anything to do with a "thug program," as he doesn't play there anymore, and never got into this kind of trouble when he did.

[wvuskinsfan]

henry is a scumb bag, know what would be nice, vick passing to henry in the arena league aka team we dont get it aka we suck at life

[PleaseBlitz]

Marcus Vick looks like a choir boy next to Chris Henry at this point.

Uh, no. :no:

[Inxsive]

Maybe because his name's not Vick?? This argument is going nowhere. You guys are trying to dismiss thug nature at WVU by saying, "Well, Henry is an asshat and RichRod kicked him off the team, he doesn't count." Guess what, Beamer did the EXACT same thing with Vick. Yet VT is the thug football program. I've dealt with Cowboy fans, Hoo fans, Canes fans, but the hypocrisy spewed from WVU fans is pretty impressive.

:rolleyes:


Isn't it funny how WVU fans hardly ever admit mistakes or shortcoming? Maybe they should change their name to West Hypocrite University. My only concern is that they might have problems with ‘them there big fancy words’.

[Inxsive]

Did he break the law when he was at WVU? Who knows. All we can say for sure is that he never got arrested for anything, and like TEG said, any big time coverup would be hard to pull off considering that the Pittsburgh Post Gazette has media credentials to WVU sporting events.

Chris Henry is a POS. We knew this. Rodriguez kicked him off the team before he could do anything to give the program a black eye and to create a distraction to the team last year. (Worked out nicely for WVU, it seems.)

Everything Chris Henry does now is a reflection on how much of a POS he himself is. He doesn't have anything to do with a "thug program," as he doesn't play there anymore, and never got into this kind of trouble when he did.

Come on, is your only measure of being a thug whether you’ve been arrested or not. There are plenty of dirtbags who haven’t been arrested. WVU recruited him, he was on your team, welcome to the club! Do you really think he magically became this way after he left the program. Either he was a thug prior to WVU or WVU made him that way. Take your pick. Accept some responsibility.

[EersSkins05]

Come on, is your only measure of being a thug whether you’ve been arrested or not. There are plenty of dirtbags who haven’t been arrested. WVU recruited him, he was on your team, welcome to the club! Do you really think he magically became this way after he left the program. Either he was a thug prior to WVU or WVU made him that way. Take your pick. Accept some responsibility.

My only measure of being a thug is from breaking the law, getting in trouble, going to jail, getting arrested, etc.

You can't even come up with a rumor of him getting into this kind of trouble at WVU. He skipped classes and acted like a prima donna receiver on the field and at practice. For that, he was expelled.

Anything else is pure speculation.

[EersSkins05]

Isn't it funny how WVU fans hardly ever admit mistakes or shortcoming? Maybe they should change their name to West Hypocrite University. My only concern is that they might have problems with ‘them there big fancy words’.

Once again, you're criticizing the intelligence of an entire state's population while having problems with typos in your critique. :doh:

(And BTW- do you realize how little credit any of your arguments get when you resort to that dumbass stereotypical generalization? The first thing that pops into my, and just about anyone else's head is that you've had to resort to the lowest denominator because you've been owned with facts.)

[Inxsive]

My only measure of being a thug is from breaking the law, getting in trouble, going to jail, getting arrested, etc.

You can't even come up with a rumor of him getting into this kind of trouble at WVU. He skipped classes and acted like a prima donna receiver on the field and at practice. For that, he was expelled.

Anything else is pure speculation.

OK, speculate for us then, was he a thug when he was at the school or did he turn into one once he left?

[Inxsive]

(And BTW- do you realize how little credit any of your arguments get when you resort to that dumbass stereotypical generalization?


So you don't generalize about other schools or teams?

[EersSkins05]

OK, speculate for us then, was he a thug when he was at the school or did he turn into one once he left?

The reason that the phrase "it's just speculation" doesn't hold much credence is that it's senseless to even base an opinion on speculation. That's what it means- we don't know.

It could be that he was a thug all along, breaking laws left and right, but without getting caught while he was at WVU.

It could be that his version of breaking the rules went from a relatively (in retrospect) innocent rebellion of missing class and practice and graduated into full scale law-breaking.

It could be that he avoided breaking the law in college so that he wouldn't ruin his chances to make it to the NFL by getting kicked off the team before he had a chance to play.

It could be that he got his first taste of real money once he made it to the NFL and felt more invincible than ever, leading him to act more recklessly.

It could be that he's a bad apple that has gotten more and more rotten by the year.

The only thing any of us can say with certainty is that if he WAS doing these things at WVU, it was undetected, unreported, and unpunished by those actually in charge of enforcing the law, and that it was only after he left the University (for about a year) that he started getting into trouble.

So you don't generalize about other schools or teams?

I don't automatically assume that everyone in an entire state doesn't understand the word "hypocrite" (even though the word itself, next to the word "ironic," is probably the most misused word in our present-day vernacular) simply because they are from that state, no.

[Inxsive]

The reason that the phrase "it's just speculation" doesn't hold much credence is that it's senseless to even base an opinion on speculation. That's what it means- we don't know.

It could be that he was a thug all along, breaking laws left and right, but without getting caught while he was at WVU.

It could be that his version of breaking the rules went from a relatively (in retrospect) innocent rebellion of missing class and practice and graduated into full scale law-breaking.

It could be that he avoided breaking the law in college so that he wouldn't ruin his chances to make it to the NFL by getting kicked off the team before he had a chance to play.

It could be that he got his first taste of real money once he made it to the NFL and felt more invincible than ever, leading him to act more recklessly.

It could be that he's a bad apple that has gotten more and more rotten by the year.

The only thing any of us can say with certainty is that if he WAS doing these things at WVU, it was undetected, unreported, and unpunished by those actually in charge of enforcing the law, and that it was only after he left the University (for about a year) that he started getting into trouble.



I don't automatically assume that everyone in an entire state doesn't understand the word "hypocrite" (even though the word itself, next to the word "ironic," is probably the most misused word in our present-day vernacular) simply because they are from that state, no.

Strange, I guess what you're saying that you find it ok to speculate when assessing others but not when it's self reflective....interest. I guess you don't speculated on what WVU will do next year, or why they lost to VT, or anything else related to WVU. That would be senseless.

If you go back to the comment of mine that you are referring to I don't see anything in it about the entire state?

Here it is;

Isn't it funny how WVU fans hardly ever admit mistakes or shortcoming? Maybe they should change their name to West Hypocrite University. My only concern is that they might have problems with ‘them there big fancy words’.

Do you see the ‘U” next to the ‘WV”? This might clue you in a bit. Just a thought, but the 'WVU fans' part might narrow my target or do you claim the entire state as fans, sounds like a generalization? Just to be clear, your response to me accusing you of being a hypocrite is that the word is often misused? LOL, good one!

[PleaseBlitz]

OK, speculate for us then, was he a thug when he was at the school or did he turn into one once he left?


Please post exactly what Chris Henry did while he was in school at WVU and under the watchful eye of our coaching staff. Post what he was accused of, what he was convicted of, and what the punishment was by both the WVU coaching staff and the authorities.

I will then post exactly the same thing for Marcus Vick.

No speculation, just facts.

We can compare notes.

[hokie4redskins]

'Eer fans crack me up. Once a thug, always a thug. Henry is a thug now, he was a thug at WVU, and he was probably a thug when he got recruited. The thug life is everywhere in college football. No sense in denying this fact anymore.

[PleaseBlitz]

'Eer fans crack me up. Once a thug, always a thug. Henry is a thug now, he was a thug at WVU, and he was probably a thug when he got recruited. The thug life is everywhere in college football. No sense in denying this fact anymore.

Still waiting for someone to post what he did at WVU that makes him a thug. Tick tock.


And if he was a thug then, would you credit RichRod and the rest of the staff for him NOT getting in trouble with the law while in their program?

[Diggs]

'Eer fans crack me up. Once a thug, always a thug.

Okay, so he gets in trouble, he's a "thug." Every program has them, we've seen the rapsheets for both WVU and VT. Rich Rodriguez and WVU do their due diligence on the recruits and try not to bring in thugs just like most respectable programs. People are naive if they don't think every program (save for the academies--for the most part) has them. Buuuuut... if we are talking about Chris Henry while at WVU, as PB stated, under the supervision of the coaching staff he was a solid citizen outside the football field. When players graduate/drop out/get drafted, they are no longer under control of the University and/or watchful eye of the coaches.. therefore, what can ya do?

We already stated Chris Henry is a jackass. I think the conversation is moot at this point.

[EersSkins05]

Strange, I guess what you're saying that you find it ok to speculate when assessing others but not when it's self reflective....interest. I guess you don't speculated on what WVU will do next year, or why they lost to VT, or anything else related to WVU. That would be senseless.


Your problem here is that you're not properly differentiating between fact and speculation.

Fact- Chris Henry was never arrested while at WVU.
Speculation- Since he did thuggish things later, he must have been a thug then.

When I'm talking about Marcus Vick, I don't have to speculate. It's a fact that he was arrested 4 times before being kicked off of the Virginia Tech football team for good.

Now, I COULD speculate that he probably did a bunch of other stuff that he didn't get arrested for, but I won't, b/c any argument is better supported by facts than speculation (which is why you're not permitted to speculate as a witness in court.)

[The Evil Genius]

A DUI and giving beer to 17 & 18 year olds hardly constitute thuggish nature. The concealed weapon charge might, - but to me this all speaks more about being childish and having too much $'s that you know what to do with.

[SkinsHokieFan]

A DUI and giving beer to 17 & 18 year olds hardly constitute thuggish nature. The concealed weapon charge might, - but to me this all speaks more about being childish and having too much $'s that you know what to do with.


Moral relativism at its finest

[EersSkins05]

Please God, will someone let this stupid thread die...

[hokie4redskins]

.....as he bumps the thread back up to the top.

[EersSkins05]

... it was second when I posted that, after it had dropped down to 5th or 6th in the last few days, but was brought back to life by someone that can't... let... it... gooooooooooo.

[hokie4redskins]

........as he bumps this thread back up to the top.