SEC rushes to defend turf after ACC's claim

[hokie4redskins]

A question once deemed laughable now must be asked: Which one is the better football conference?

Dave Curtis | Sentinel Staff Writer


DESTIN -- OK, John Swofford. The folks in the Southeastern Conference hear your chest-thumping and see the stats you employ to back it up.

For maybe the first time ever, they are willing to acknowledge the league you lead, the Atlantic Coast Conference, as a peer in college football.

Good job, the SEC says. But the king, at least in this part of the country, hasn't changed.

"The SEC is still on top, but the ACC is now a formidable opponent," Georgia Athletic Director Damon Evans said. "The expansion has helped them tremendously. Their presence -- TV-wise and things of that nature, and the top programs they have -- is much stronger.''

Basic math makes the leagues equals, with 12 teams and eight bowl tie-ins for each. But other numbers -- TV ratings, draft picks, grad rates -- have prompted the ACC to promote itself as the nation's premier football league.

At the ACC's spring meetings two weeks ago at Amelia Island, Swofford boasted of his league's progress. He pointed to the additions of Virginia Tech, Miami and Boston College in the past three years and the success of December's inaugural ACC Championship Game in Jacksonville.

Other ACC officials cited other numbers, such as exposure on ESPN, the network that televises games from both leagues.

Three of the network's six top-rated games last season featured ACC teams, and ACC home games last season did a 2.2 rating, best of any league.

"It certainly validates what we thought in terms of what this grouping of schools could be in the marketplace," Swofford said. "We're very pleased."

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[EersSkins05]

You VT fans should thank WVU for busting that SEC Champion ass in the Sugar Bowl. :thumbsup:

[mjah]

So from the article, it appears that the SEC is disputing their new second-place status based on ...no facts at all.

Or will this be the same nebulous "football tradition" argument that we keep hearing out of the south? The same one that hamstrings the efforts of fair-minded college football fans to create an actual playoff and dispense with the ridiculous madness of bowls that, by their very construction, permanently confine all but a small handful of teams to the back of the bus?

We hear it already from those whose league has seen more glorious days: "But the BCS is tradition!"

So was slavery.

No champion of any real sport should be decided by voting. By some computer somewhere, desperately clawing at an ever-changing array of numbers to simulate -- simulate! -- an actual game played by actual teams on an actual gridiron. Especially not a smash-mouth, real-man game like football!

But, I digress. I'd start a countdown until we start hearing, "I don't care about them numbers: y'all know the SEC is just better, yuk yuk." But it appears that no countdown is necessary; the rhetoric has already started.

Never let the actual facts get in the way of a good "tradition." :laugh:

[EersSkins05]

^^^^

I completely agree.

[PleaseBlitz]

So from the article, it appears that the SEC is disputing their new second-place status based on ...no facts at all.

Or will this be the same nebulous "football tradition" argument that we keep hearing out of the south? The same one that hamstrings the efforts of fair-minded college football fans to create an actual playoff and dispense with the ridiculous madness of bowls that, by their very construction, permanently confine all but a small handful of teams to the back of the bus?

We hear it already from those whose league has seen more glorious days: "But the BCS is tradition!"

So was slavery.

No champion of any real sport should be decided by voting. By some computer somewhere, depserately clawing at an ever-changing array of numbers to simulate -- simulate! -- an actual game played by actual teams on an actual gridiron. Especially not a smash-mouth, real-man game like football!

But, I digress. I'd start a countdown until we start hearing, "I don't care about them numbers: y'all know the SEC is just better, yuk yuk." But it appears that no countdown is necessary; the rhetoric has already started.

Never let the actual facts get in the way of a good "tradition." :laugh:


Right now im torn on the BCS/Playoff issue for a multitude of reasons.

The SEC is still the superior conference. Not sure how this is even being disputed RIGHT NOW by the ACC. Maybe someone could explain this to me?

SEC had 3 teams in the top 10. LSU, Georgia, and Bama. ACC had 1. VT.

SEC had 5 teams in the top 15 (above plus Florida and Auburn) ACC had 1, VT.

LSU beat the ever-loving :pooh: out of Miami in the only direct bowl action.


Who is saying the ACC is superior in football to the SEC?

[The Evil Genius]

Right now im torn on the BCS/Playoff issue for a multitude of reasons.

The SEC is still the superior conference. Not sure how this is even being disputed RIGHT NOW by the ACC. Maybe someone could explain this to me?

SEC had 3 teams in the top 10. LSU, Georgia, and Bama. ACC had 1. VT.

SEC had 5 teams in the top 15 (above plus Florida and Auburn) ACC had 1, VT.

LSU beat the ever-loving :pooh: out of Miami in the only direct bowl action.


Who is saying the ACC is superior in football to the SEC?

but but but but the acc beat each other up so no team other than vpi could be a top 15 team.

oops, so did the sec.

What would really be sad this year is if the BE has 2 teams finish above the ACC top team.

[mjah]

What would really be sad this year is if the BE has 2 teams finish above the ACC top team.
It would be downright incredible if the BE had 3 football teams worthy of serious national attention by the end of the season.

For the sake of your smack game, you'd better pray for another simultaneous down year for Florida State, VT, and Miami. Of course, if history is any indicator, you'll be waiting about 20 years for that perfect storm to come along again.

ACC football :cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

It would be downright incredible if the BE had 3 football teams worthy of serious national attention by the end of the season.

For the sake of your smack game, you'd better pray for another simultaneous down year for Florida State, VT, and Miami. Of course, if history is any indicator, you'll be waiting about 20 years for that perfect storm to come along again.

ACC football :cheers:


Obviously, the Big East isnt going to be mentioned as the top football conference, or the 2nd or 3rd. But for the ACC to pressume to be on the same level as the SEC right now is laughable.

[bubba9497]

Obviously, the Big East isnt going to be mentioned as the top football conference, or the 2nd or 3rd. But for the ACC to pressume to be on the same level as the SEC right now is laughable.


Exactly, one year after adding two national powers to the conference, and a third formidable opponent in BC, Hardly makes them dominant.

Invitations were made to both Miami, and FSU in the past to join the SEC.. both refused, preferring to join a conference they felt they could dominate.

The main reason the SEC is the dominate conference is it head to head record against other conferences on a yearly bases. and no conference can go as deep of the number of quality teams as the SEC. Most only have one maybe two great teams, and the rest mediocre at best.

from year to year you may have a conference rise up and challenge the SEC for a year or two, but year in and year out the SEC is in the top three of all then dominant categories. If The ACC can maintain the levels they posted this past year consistently for 5-10 years then they have the right to boast of being an equal to the SEC.

[PleaseBlitz]

Exactly, one year after adding two national powers to the conference, and a third formidable opponent in BC, Hardly makes them dominant.

Invitations were made to both Miami, and FSU in the past to join the SEC.. both refused, preferring to join a conference they felt they could dominate.

The main reason the SEC is the dominate conference is it head to head record against other conferences on a yearly bases. and no conference can go as deep of the number of quality teams as the SEC. Most only have one maybe two great teams, and the rest mediocre at best.

from year to year you may have a conference rise up and challenge the SEC for a year or two, but year in and year out the SEC is in the top three of all then dominant categories. If The ACC can maintain the levels they posted this past year consistently for 5-10 years then they have the right to boast of being an equal to the SEC.


Bubba reads the NCAA Forum? Who knew? :whoknows:


You had me right up until the end. If the ACC posts the same level they did this year, the merger will be deemed a colossal failure. 1 top 15 team? Where are people getting this idea that the ACC is so damn good from? They certainly didnt prove it this year on the gridiron.

Do they have multiple teams that can flourish and finish top 10? Sure. But i'll start recognizing the ACC as a great football conference when they prove it on the field. They havent done that yet.

The SEC is just sick.

[hokie4redskins]

Colossal failure?

:laugh:

Man, you couldn't hide your biased hatred and jealousy if your life depended on it. Failure by ACC standards would still be an "up" year in the Big East.

Was the ACC better than the SEC this year? It's debatable. Here are some interesting numbers for you.

Conference Overall Winning Percentage:

ACC: .570
SEC: .564

Reeheeheealllllllly. Now I know you 'eer fans are mathematically challenged seeing as you can't see how 34 > 17, but .57 is indeed greater than .56. But I'm not going to sit here and clamor about .006 of a point. What these numbers DO show is that the SEC and ACC are about dead even (though slight edge in the ACC signifies and slightly deeper conference does it not?). And this is only after ONE friggin' year of the new ACC.

When blue chippers see how many ACC players went to the NFL vs. the SEC (I don't have the exact numbers, but isn't it something like 51-34 in favor of the ACC?) which conference do you think they'll want to play for? As Beamer said, the ACC is just getting started.

Now I know you'll hit back with, "WELL LSU BEAT MIAMI SO NYA!" Yeah well, Virginia Tech beat WVU who beat Georgia who beat LSU who beat Miami who beat Virginia Tech. It's truly a vicious cycle, kind of like 'eer fans' pointless and countless arguments. But hey, any given Saturday, right? By your own admission, the Big East will never be considered a top conference. Yet the Big East champion smacks around the SEC champ and now you're waving SEC banners all the sudden just to spite the ACC? Please.

Point is, which conference was better this year can be debated for an eternity. But to say the ACC being better than the SEC is "laughable" only proves your inferiority complex.

Now that you've been completely pwn3d, Blitz, feel free to pretend like you're ignoring this post. I understand.

:thumbsup:

[PleaseBlitz]

Christ, why do i even bother?

Colossal failure?

:laugh:

Man, you couldn't hide your biased hatred and jealousy if your life depended on it. Failure by ACC standards would still be an "up" year in the Big East.

Was the ACC better than the SEC this year? It's debatable. Here are some interesting numbers for you.

Its not even debatable. 5 top 15 teams vs. 1. Thats not a debate.

Conference Overall Winning Percentage:

ACC: .570
SEC: .564

Reeheeheealllllllly. Now I know you 'eer fans are mathematically challenged seeing as you can't see how 34 > 17, but .57 is indeed greater than .56. But I'm not going to sit here and clamor about .006 of a point. What these numbers DO show is that the SEC and ACC are about dead even (though slight edge in the ACC signifies and slightly deeper conference does it not?). And this is only after ONE friggin' year of the new ACC.


Are you serious with that one? If you are, i really cant help you. Though, we already knew that.

When blue chippers see how many ACC players went to the NFL vs. the SEC (I don't have the exact numbers, but isn't it something like 51-34 in favor of the ACC?) which conference do you think they'll want to play for? As Beamer said, the ACC is just getting started.

Again, you are arguing something where you admittedly dont know the facts. :doh:

Now I know you'll hit back with, "WELL LSU BEAT MIAMI SO NYA!" Yeah well, Virginia Tech beat WVU who beat Georgia who beat LSU who beat Miami who beat Virginia Tech. It's truly a vicious cycle, kind of like 'eer fans' pointless and countless arguments. But hey, any given Saturday, right? By your own admission, the Big East will never be considered a top conference. Yet the Big East champion smacks around the SEC champ and now you're waving SEC banners all the sudden just to spite the ACC? Please.

When did i say the Big East will never be considered a top conference? God, this whole inability to read and comprehend thing is really hurting you.

I didnt even say anything about WVU beating UGA. I did say that there were FIVE (5) SEC teams in the top 15. 1 ACC team. How do you argue that? And head to head, LSU did if fact, stomp the **** out of mighty Miami, in a bowl game, when it counted.

Point is, which conference was better this year can be debated for an eternity. But to say the ACC being better than the SEC is "laughable" only proves your inferiority complex.

Ok, its debatable. Then again, you could debate that the sky isnt blue. You look silly doing it, but it can be done.

That winning percentage thing really makes me chuckle. I hope Bubba comes back and sees that. :laugh:


#5 > #7. :loser:

[hokie4redskins]

Thats not a debate. Are you serious with that one? If you are, i really cant help you. Though, we already knew that. Again, you are arguing something where you admittedly dont know the facts. :doh:

Not sure why you dismiss conference winning percentages.

When did i say the Big East will never be considered a top conference? God, this whole inability to read and comprehend thing is really hurting you.

Um right here about five posts up. You'd think you would've edited that before you made this absurd remark. What were you saying about reading again?

Obviously, the Big East isnt going to be mentioned as the top football conference, or the 2nd or 3rd. But for the ACC to pressume to be on the same level as the SEC right now is laughable

:laugh: :laugh:

I didnt even say anything about WVU beating UGA. I did say that there were FIVE (5) SEC teams in the top 15. 1 ACC team. How do you argue that? And head to head, LSU did if fact, stomp the **** out of mighty Miami, in a bowl game, when it counted.

This is an arbitrary argument. In the top 25, there were 5 ACC teams and 5 SEC teams. Florida (12), Auburn (14), Miami (17) and BC (18) all had identical records at 9-3. What's your point? Again, look at the overall winning percentages. They're nearly identical. Why do you dismiss this again? Given the fact that the voters had the nerve to rank WVU two spots above a team that WHOOPED them discredits the rankings altogether. :D

That winning percentage thing really makes me chuckle. I hope Bubba comes back and sees that. :laugh:

Actually, I think it'd be even funnier to hear you come up with some weak explanation as to why the winning percentage argument is faulty.


#5 > #7. :loser:

34 > 17 :loser:

And the cycle continues...............

[PleaseBlitz]

Obviously, the Big East isnt going to be mentioned as the top football conference, or the 2nd or 3rd. But for the ACC to pressume to be on the same level as the SEC right now is laughable.

Where does it say "ever"? In fact it says "right now." Your reading skillz need work. Badly.

Please make the case that the ACC is better than the SEC. Yes, you both have 5 teams in the top 25, but the SEC's are in the top 15 or top 10. The top team in the SEC is ranked higher than the top team in the ACC, 2nd is higher than 2nd, and so on and so forth. Please make the case that the ACC is better than the SEC. Please.

Talk about blind homerism. But keep pimping your conference instead of your school. :laugh:

[hokie4redskins]

Where does it say "ever"? In fact it says "right now." Your reading skillz need work. Badly.

Please make the case that the ACC is better than the SEC. Yes, you both have 5 teams in the top 25, but the SEC's are in the top 15 or top 10. The top team in the SEC is ranked higher than the top team in the ACC, 2nd is higher than 2nd, and so on and so forth. Please make the case that the ACC is better than the SEC. Please.

Talk about blind homerism. But keep pimping your conference instead of your school. :laugh:

Dude, your "right now" was in reference to the ACC and SEC, NOT the Big East. Read it again, slowly this time. It's funny. You trash my reading skills when you can't even comprehend your OWN posts.

But let's presume you did indeed mean the Big East (which you didn't). So you're insinuating a conference comprising of Syracuse, Cincinnatti, Rutgers and South Florida will one day rise and be the unquestioned king of Div 1A football?? :laugh: Keep dreaming dude.

And I'm not saying the ACC is better. IMO, they're equal........right now. Is that clear? And I'm basing this on conference winning percentages and 5 teams in each conference being in the top 25. And you still haven't told me why you dismissed the winning percentages. Hmm, wonder why. Maybe 'cuz you can't?

I'm "pimping" my own conference because the whole point of this thread was comparing two of the best CONFERENCES. Again, worry about your own reading skills. But if you insist I pimp VT instead.......ok.

34 - 17

Seriously man, just walk away.

[Major Harris]

hokie, you were starting to be a decent contributor to this forum. you're laughable here.
i'm not even going to argue about who's better between the sec and the acc. they're both very good. i'd say the sec right now, but it can be argued both ways.

i just love how YOU bring up the big east and the tech/ wvu game in a debate about the acc/ sec. :doh:

[hokie4redskins]

hokie, you were starting to be a decent contributor to this forum. you're laughable here.
i'm not even going to argue about who's better between the sec and the acc. they're both very good. i'd say the sec right now, but it can be argued both ways.

i just love how YOU bring up the big east and the tech/ wvu game in a debate about the acc/ sec. :doh:

I admire your loyalty to a fellow 'eer, but his arguments are weak and blatantly biased. I'm simply refuting and exposing them as such. If you don't like it, then I don't know what to tell you. But please drop the holier than thou act. Seriously, did you have anything of substance to add to this debate or did you just want to take a pot shot? If the former, then by all means proceed.

[Major Harris]

I admire your loyalty to a fellow 'eer, but his arguments are weak and blatantly biased. I'm simply refuting and exposing them as such. If you don't like it, then I don't know what to tell you. But please drop the holier than thou act. Seriously, did you have anything of substance to add to this debate or did you just want to take a pot shot? If the former, then by all means proceed.
what debate are we talking about?
the one about who's the better football conference between the acc and the sec? i think i added my :2cents: on that.

but if we're talking about who has the cleaner image right now, the vtech athletic program or the one in morgantown, well, i don't consider that a debate. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

Bubba reads the NCAA Forum? Who knew? :whoknows:


You had me right up until the end. If the ACC posts the same level they did this year, the merger will be deemed a colossal failure. 1 top 15 team? Where are people getting this idea that the ACC is so damn good from? They certainly didnt prove it this year on the gridiron.

Do they have multiple teams that can flourish and finish top 10? Sure. But i'll start recognizing the ACC as a great football conference when they prove it on the field. They havent done that yet.

The SEC is just sick.

Right now im torn on the BCS/Playoff issue for a multitude of reasons.

The SEC is still the superior conference. Not sure how this is even being disputed RIGHT NOW by the ACC. Maybe someone could explain this to me?

SEC had 3 teams in the top 10. LSU, Georgia, and Bama. ACC had 1. VT.

SEC had 5 teams in the top 15 (above plus Florida and Auburn) ACC had 1, VT.

LSU beat the ever-loving :pooh: out of Miami in the only direct bowl action.


Who is saying the ACC is superior in football to the SEC?

Obviously, the Big East isnt going to be mentioned as the top football conference, or the 2nd or 3rd. But for the ACC to pressume to be on the same level as the SEC right now is laughable.



Colossal failure?

:laugh:

Man, you couldn't hide your biased hatred and jealousy if your life depended on it. Failure by ACC standards would still be an "up" year in the Big East.



Now I know you'll hit back with, "WELL LSU BEAT MIAMI SO NYA!" Yeah well, Virginia Tech beat WVU who beat Georgia who beat LSU who beat Miami who beat Virginia Tech. It's truly a vicious cycle, kind of like 'eer fans' pointless and countless arguments. But hey, any given Saturday, right? By your own admission, the Big East will never be considered a top conference. Yet the Big East champion smacks around the SEC champ and now you're waving SEC banners all the sudden just to spite the ACC? Please.

Point is, which conference was better this year can be debated for an eternity. But to say the ACC being better than the SEC is "laughable" only proves your inferiority complex.

Now that you've been completely pwn3d, Blitz, feel free to pretend like you're ignoring this post. I understand.

:thumbsup:


This is an arbitrary argument. In the top 25, there were 5 ACC teams and 5 SEC teams. Florida (12), Auburn (14), Miami (17) and BC (18) all had identical records at 9-3. What's your point? Again, look at the overall winning percentages. They're nearly identical. Why do you dismiss this again? Given the fact that the voters had the nerve to rank WVU two spots above a team that WHOOPED them discredits the rankings altogether. :D





34 > 17 :loser:

And the cycle continues...............


just read thru this exchange and tell me how pb started the whole wvu/vtech debate.......

[hokie4redskins]

MH, you weren't even a part of this argument so I'm not getting into a he said/she said debate with you.

And you've been around long enough in this forum to know that the VT/WVU debate can be sparked at the drop of a hat or in a discussion about the Duke Lacrosse team.

But if you go back and look closely at this debate, I was simply defending against clouded and biased logic. To not even consider the SEC and ACC being equal hegemons in college football is asinine no matter how you try to spin it, or where your allegiance truly lies.

If you want to bring this discussion down to sewing circle levels, you're on your own.

Enjoy.

[mjah]

F-ing A. Can't you WVU and VT people give it a rest?

You have a dedicated thread for this crap. Go use it.

Anyway, the SEC has a serious challenger and the BCS sucks. Can't we just talk about something pleasant, like the low gurgling noise we'll hear from the champion-by-computer system as it is slowly strangled to death?

[Major Harris]

MH, you weren't even a part of this argument so I'm not getting into a he said/she said debate with you.

no need to debate. i listed it right there for you.


And you've been around long enough in this forum to know that the VT/WVU debate can be sparked at the drop of a hat or in a discussion about the Duke Lacrosse team.

true dat.


But if you go back and look closely at this debate, I was simply defending against clouded and biased logic.


so he can't have an opinion that doesn't jive with yours because he's an 'eer fan? :rolleyes:


To not even consider the SEC and ACC being equal hegemons in college football is asinine no matter how you try to spin it, or where your allegiance truly lies.


well, he provided some back up in the form of top 10 and top 15 rankings. what do you bring to the table?

like i said: the sec is better right now, but the acc isn't far behind at all. it's not illogical to think it will pass the sec this upcoming year or soon after. that's my OPINION.

If you want to bring this discussion down to sewing circle levels, you're on your own.

Enjoy.

:laugh:

[Major Harris]

F-ing A. Can't you WVU and VT people give it a rest?

You have a dedicated thread for this crap. Go use it.

Anyway, the SEC has a serious challenger and the BCS sucks. Can't we just talk about something pleasant, like the low gurgling noise we'll hear from the champion-by-computer system as it is slowly strangled to death?

don't say you people. there's one person in this thread perpetuating the vtech/ wvu debate.

[mjah]

It takes two or more to argue.

Always.

[PleaseBlitz]

Dude, your "right now" was in reference to the ACC and SEC, NOT the Big East. Read it again, slowly this time. It's funny. You trash my reading skills when you can't even comprehend your OWN posts.

Please dont tell me what my own post say and mean. Ive used the words "right now" in SEVERAL POSTS.

But let's presume you did indeed mean the Big East (which you didn't). So you're insinuating a conference comprising of Syracuse, Cincinnatti, Rutgers and South Florida will one day rise and be the unquestioned king of Div 1A football?? :laugh: Keep dreaming dude.

Again, when did I say unquestioned kings? Your bias infects your conprehension skills. Just try reading the words in front of you for what they are. And for a VT fan to say that those schools CANNOT rise up and be contenders is pretty funny to me, considering that is EXACTLY what VT did in the Big East. Go ahead, ask SHF, he'll tell you the same thing.

And I'm not saying the ACC is better. IMO, they're equal........right now. Is that clear? And I'm basing this on conference winning percentages and 5 teams in each conference being in the top 25. And you still haven't told me why you dismissed the winning percentages. Hmm, wonder why. Maybe 'cuz you can't?

Its clear. Clear that you dont know what you are talking about. 5 top 15 teams is better than 5 teams 15-25. How freaking hard is that to comprehend? And the winning percentage thing is easily dismissed in that the SEC teams loses OOC games to much better teams than the ACC. For instance, Auburn lost to 2 teams, a GT team that was ranked at the time and #15 Wisconsin. 2 OOC loses, to 2 good opponents By comparison, the OOC schedule for Miami included Colorado, South Florida, and Temple. 3 TERRIBLE teams. Then they lost to LSU. See, the schedules arent even. And your .06% difference is pretty funny too. I think that means the difference in record was 1 game. BTW, Auburn? 4th in their conference. Miami? 2nd. Auburn was ranked higher.

Feel free to post that on the Hokie message board if you need help refuting any of that. Though, they didnt help you last time. :whoknows:

I'm "pimping" my own conference because the whole point of this thread was comparing two of the best CONFERENCES. Again, worry about your own reading skills. But if you insist I pimp VT instead.......ok.

34 - 17

Seriously man, just walk away.

The SEC and the ACC ARE 2 of the best conferences, id say 2 of the top 3. But when it comes to these 2, there is a CLEAR pecking order, thats all im saying. I cant believe you cant admit to that. Just like you cant admit to Marcus Vick being an embarrassment to your program and just like you cant admit that the BE's BCS berth is safe for the forseeable future, despite all the facts being right in front of you. Just goes to show why everyone pretty much considers you a joke in this forum. :whoknows:

[Major Harris]

It takes two or more to argue.

Always.
no it doesn't.



yes it does.



no it doesn't.


but seriously, mjah, read the posts. only hokie4 is bringing the tech/ wvu thing to the table. pb is staying on point, and i'm just providing commentary.

[mjah]

Nice try. :D

[hokie4redskins]

Please dont tell me what my own post say and mean. Ive used the words "right now" in SEVERAL POSTS.



Again, when did I say unquestioned kings? Your bias infects your conprehension skills. Just try reading the words in front of you for what they are. And for a VT fan to say that those schools CANNOT rise up and be contenders is pretty funny to me, considering that is EXACTLY what VT did in the Big East. Go ahead, ask SHF, he'll tell you the same thing.



Its clear. Clear that you dont know what you are talking about. 5 top 15 teams is better than 5 teams 15-25. How freaking hard is that to comprehend? And the winning percentage thing is easily dismissed in that the SEC teams loses OOC games to much better teams than the ACC. For instance, Auburn lost to 2 teams, a GT team that was ranked at the time and #15 Wisconsin. 2 OOC loses, to 2 good opponents By comparison, the OOC schedule for Miami included Colorado, South Florida, and Temple. 3 TERRIBLE teams. Then they lost to LSU. See, the schedules arent even. And your .06% difference is pretty funny too. I think that means the difference in record was 1 game. BTW, Auburn? 4th in their conference. Miami? 2nd. Auburn was ranked higher.

Feel free to post that on the Hokie message board if you need help refuting any of that. Though, they didnt help you last time. :whoknows:



The SEC and the ACC ARE 2 of the best conferences, id say 2 of the top 3. But when it comes to these 2, there is a CLEAR pecking order, thats all im saying. I cant believe you cant admit to that. Just like you cant admit to Marcus Vick being an embarrassment to your program and just like you cant admit that the BE's BCS berth is safe for the forseeable future, despite all the facts being right in front of you. Just goes to show why everyone pretty much considers you a joke in this forum. :whoknows:

I caught you in your own web of contradictions and you know it, but ok, fine, I'll just let you continue to contradict yourself.

Well which one is it then? Is the Big East forever damned to the lower echelon of big time college football or is it a contender? The mere fact that you even consider the Big East contending for top conference exposes your blind homerism.

It's funny you use Auburn as an example because they played GT, who is in the ACC, and who, um, beat Auburn. Yet you don't cite GT's OOC by playing and beating Auburn? :laugh: Continue your speculation. Regarding the rankings, you can split it into 1-15 if you like, but the fact is, 5 teams from each in the top 25. Final rankings are all well and good, but you gotta question them. A GT team who beat Auburn AT Auburn and Miami AT Miami wasn't even ranked at all. I contended the .006% difference only indicated that the conferences were equally matched......now, which is only temporary. I'm only arguing that ACC/SEC comparison is much more even than you acknowledge.

Well, for someone who is such a joke and can't be taken seriously, you sure throw a hissy fit whenever I post. If you don't like what I have to say, don't respond.

The battle lines have been drawn, dude. We know you love WVU and the Big East and hate everything ACC and VT. This blind hatred is apparent in all your posts and I was simply exposing and countering your hate-inspired logic with my own biased opinion. No reason to get in a tizzy. Relax.

[PleaseBlitz]

I caught you in your own web of contradictions and you know it, but ok, fine, I'll just let you continue to contradict yourself.

You didnt catch :pooh: You just cant read.

Well which one is it then? Is the Big East forever damned to the lower echelon of big time college football or is it a contender? The mere fact that you even consider the Big East contending for top conference exposes your blind homerism.

It WILL be a contender. I didnt say it was "right now." And i didnt say it "would never be." That gives it all the time between "right now" and "forever." Goddamn its annoying that i have to explain the english language to you on top of college football. And like everyone else has written, this thread has NOTHING to do with the Big East. I guess you cant read their posts either. :doh:

It's funny you use Auburn as an example because they played GT, who is in the ACC, and who, um, beat Auburn. Yet you don't cite GT's OOC by playing and beating Auburn? :laugh: Continue your speculation. Regarding the rankings, you can split it into 1-15 if you like, but the fact is, 5 teams from each in the top 25. Final rankings are all well and good, but you gotta question them. A GT team who beat Auburn AT Auburn and Miami AT Miami wasn't even ranked at all. I contended the .006% difference only indicated that the conferences were equally matched......now, which is only temporary. I'm only arguing that ACC/SEC comparison is much more even than you acknowledge.

I picked those teams on purpose. Are you saying that GT was a better football team that Auburn? I didnt cite GT's OOC schedule because I was trying to compare 2 even teams b/t conferences and i didnt think GT/Auburn would be fair to GT. GTech lost OOC games to Georgia (they only scored once) and unranked Utah in their bowl. They also lost to VT, NC State, and UVA which is why they werent ranked. 5 loss teams that lose 3 of 4 to end the season dont get ranked.

I will split the rankings into 1-15. Why? Because being ranked #6 and being ranked #21 arent equal. #6 is a better football team than #21. This is the DEFINTION of "ranking." How is this not apparant? Again, its frustrating having to explain the obvious to you.

I love how you completely distrust the rankings and toss them aside since they dont support your argument. You do know that they are compiled by the coaches and sportwriters that actually FOLLOW the game and understand football right?

Well, for someone who is such a joke and can't be taken seriously, you sure throw a hissy fit whenever I post. If you don't like what I have to say, don't respond.

Whenever you post? :laugh:

This is the first thread ive read your posts in in months. I really do have you on ignore. I know, i know, there isnt much point. I know.

The battle lines have been drawn, dude. We know you love WVU and the Big East and hate everything ACC and VT. This blind hatred is apparent in all your posts and I was simply exposing and countering your hate-inspired logic with my own biased opinion. No reason to get in a tizzy. Relax.

Im really not in a tizzy. I actually dont see how you cant reason that a conference that put 5 teams that highly ranked is even with the ACC that didnt. RIGHT NOW, the 2 conference are not equals. Thats all ive said. That isnt blind hatred or hate-inspired logic. I think that is the logical conclusion that any rational person would come to by looking at the teams in those 2 conferences, their rankings at the end of the year, and adding all of this information up in their minds. Im not adverse to starting a poll in the tailgate and seeing what people think. Whaddaya think would happen?

But i suppose you think the ACC is the best basketball conference too, and VT is running the cleanest football program in the nation, and the VT basketball program is in great shape, and :blahblah: too.



Ok, lesson over. Were done here.

[hokie4redskins]

It WILL be a contender.

Don't hold your breath.

I picked those teams on purpose. Are you saying that GT was a better football team that Auburn?

GT beat Auburn this year 24-13 in unfriendly confines. Asking who is better would spark debates of VT/WVU proportions.

I will split the rankings into 1-15. Why? Because being ranked #6 and being ranked #21 arent equal. #6 is a better football team than #21. This is the DEFINTION of "ranking." How is this not apparant? Again, its frustrating having to explain the obvious to you.

I love how you completely distrust the rankings and toss them aside since they dont support your argument. You do know that they are compiled by the coaches and sportwriters that actually FOLLOW the game and understand football right?

You mean the same polls that determine the MNC game in August? The same polls that have teams like Tennessee and Michigan ranked top 5? You mean the same polls that rank teams higher than teams that whooped them? And you expect me to trust polls that rank two teams with the same record in brutal conferences 8 spots apart while at the same time ranking MAC, WAC, etc., schools in the top 25? Again, in comparing these two conferences, there are simply more factors in play than just rankings.

Conference Edge:

Rankings:
SEC (though is there TRULY a difference between a #14 Auburn and #17 Miami who both ended 9-3 which was no doubt sparked by vague computer "opinions"?)

Talent:
ACC in a landslide (NFL Coaches and Scouts will attest to this.)

Depth:
Push (though I'd give a slight edge to the ACC given Tennessee's glorious fall from grace.)

Conference Winning Percentage:
Push

Bowl Tie-Ins
Push

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And this is all after one year. Never did I claim the ACC was better. I only stated conference superiority was debatable and indeed it is.

Im really not in a tizzy. I actually dont see how you cant reason that a conference that put 5 teams that highly ranked is even with the ACC that didnt. RIGHT NOW, the 2 conference are not equals. Thats all ive said. That isnt blind hatred or hate-inspired logic. I think that is the logical conclusion that any rational person would come to by looking at the teams in those 2 conferences, their rankings at the end of the year, and adding all of this information up in their minds. Im not adverse to starting a poll in the tailgate and seeing what people think. Whaddaya think would happen?

I'd imagine the differences in the poll results would be negligible and the debate would, could, and should still rage.

You're entitled to think the SEC is better as I'm entitled to think they're equal. Regardless, in 5 years, ACC superiority will be unquestioned. And that's not up for debate.

[mjah]

this thread has NOTHING to do with the Big East.
I don't mean to intrude on your little WVU-VT argument party/sausagefest, but who was the first person to mention the Big East in this thread? Hint: not a VT guy.

[...]

Good God, now I'm occasionally taking a position here and there in the meaningless Battle of the Backwoods. Can't you WVU and VT homers see that this never-ending argument reduces all of us to animals?

Wait, let me guess. The honorable WVU dudes are just taking up a contrary position -- not arguing. And the VT dudes are just pointing out facts.

Just accept the inevitable. Fold the wilderness in upon itself, move the two campuses together, and merge the two schools into one. The Big East can keep it. I can't even tell you guys apart anymore. If that's not enough to scare you, then all of you have already lost.

:finger:

[Major Harris]

I don't mean to intrude on your little WVU-VT argument party/sausagefest, but who was the first person to mention the Big East in this thread? Hint: not a VT guy.

[...]

Good God, now I'm occasionally taking a position here and there in the meaningless Battle of the Backwoods. Can't you WVU and VT homers see that this never-ending argument reduces all of us to animals?

Wait, let me guess. The honorable WVU dudes are just taking up a contrary position -- not arguing. And the VT dudes are just pointing out facts.

Just accept the inevitable. Fold the wilderness in upon itself, move the two campuses together, and merge the two schools into one. The Big East can keep it. I can't even tell you guys apart anymore. If that's not enough to scare you, then all of you have already lost.

:finger:


so, principal skinner, are you telling us to knock it off?

[PleaseBlitz]

I don't mean to intrude on your little WVU-VT argument party/sausagefest, but who was the first person to mention the Big East in this thread? Hint: not a VT guy.

[...]

Good God, now I'm occasionally taking a position here and there in the meaningless Battle of the Backwoods. Can't you WVU and VT homers see that this never-ending argument reduces all of us to animals?

Wait, let me guess. The honorable WVU dudes are just taking up a contrary position -- not arguing. And the VT dudes are just pointing out facts.

Just accept the inevitable. Fold the wilderness in upon itself, move the two campuses together, and merge the two schools into one. The Big East can keep it. I can't even tell you guys apart anymore. If that's not enough to scare you, then all of you have already lost.

:finger:


Shouldnt Maryland fans take a year off talking about sports? :laugh:

[Major Harris]

Shouldnt Maryland fans take a year off talking about sports? :laugh:
ouch.

[mjah]

You forgot to answer:
who was the first person to mention the Big East in this thread?
By the way, nice National Title trophy case:

http://www.sun-rise.com/displaycases/981772.006.case2.jpg

Wait, I'm sorry. You did win the 1942 NIT, right?

Skinner says, "I wasn't even born back then!"
http://www.thesimpsonsquotes.com/images/skinnerpointing.gif

[Major Harris]

You forgot to answer:



are you saying that eersskins05 post about how wvu beating georgia looks bad on the sec thereby helping the acc look better when comparing the two was actually the first stone thrown? :rolleyes:

[hokie4redskins]

are you saying that eersskins05 post about how wvu beating georgia looks bad on the sec thereby helping the acc look better when comparing the two was actually the first stone thrown? :rolleyes:

Actually MH, if you don't count Eerskins, the next "stone" thrown was by TEG.


What would really be sad this year is if the BE has 2 teams finish above the ACC top team.

Careful now, you might start getting your reading skills criticized.

But seriously, you've offered absolutely zero substance to this thread. All you have done is respark the argument which was seemingly over. You must really enjoy the mudslinging.

[Major Harris]

Actually MH, if you don't count Eerskins, the next "stone" thrown was by TEG.



Careful now, you might start getting your reading skills criticized.

But seriously, you've offered absolutely zero substance to this thread. All you have done is respark the argument which was seemingly over. You must really enjoy the mudslinging.


uh-oh....the most substanceless poster on here thinks i'm joining his exclusive group...........

seriously:
i've offered my opinion that the sec is better right now. i also have said that i believe the acc will pass them soon. perhaps this upcoming season.

sorry for playing your game. i see you like to mudsling by yourself. ;)

[TSmithTheReal#36]

You forgot to answer:

By the way, nice National Title trophy case:

http://www.sun-rise.com/displaycases/981772.006.case2.jpg

Wait, I'm sorry. You did win the 1942 NIT, right?


own3d :laugh:

[mjah]

Not trying to own anyone... just exchanging some friendly banter as necessary.

When it gets hot, turn up the heat. ;)

[EersSkins05]

You forgot to answer:

By the way, nice National Title trophy case:

http://www.sun-rise.com/displaycases/981772.006.case2.jpg



Hokie fans, help me out if I screw this logic up:

30 > 19

:D

EDIT- And don't even let me get into the fact that Maryland fans were POURING out of the stadium when the score was 21-6 with ten and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter.

[Inxsive]

but but but but the acc beat each other up so no team other than vpi could be a top 15 team.

oops, so did the sec.

What would really be sad this year is if the BE has 2 teams finish above the ACC top team.

:laugh: Since it's back on....One loss by a Big Least team will send them plummeting in the rankings. For Example, WVU has one game against a top 40 team(at least Louisville plays 2), they will have no other chances to get any quality wins and if that loss isn't in that one quality game then they will fall even farther.

[mjah]

And don't even let me get into the fact that Maryland fans were POURING out of the stadium when the score was 21-6 with ten and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Probably because they had watched the other 3 quarters and were realists.

But one thing you can say for them: They showed up at home during a tough year -- unlike West Virginia basketball fans.

What was WVU's 2003 basketball attendance? About 7,000 per game, correct? Understandable -- they didn't do much.

2004? 7,000. Again, a half-filled arena could be considered reasonable, I guess. Of course, I'd expect more because the team was good.

2005? Successful regular season. Home attendance is 8,500. What? Elite Eight.

2006? Clearly heading back to the tournament after an Elite Eight year; home attendance is 10,400 thanks to a rash of late-season sellouts. What?

Incidentally, 10,400 is roughly the same attendance that New Mexico gets for its women's basketball team. Oh, and it's worse than three other women's teams.

One can only marvel at the fact that the WVU Coliseum has a listed capacity of 14,000. That would be, at best, let's see here... less than 75% capacity on average, would it not?

Which would be a 20+ year WVU attendance high, would it not? :laugh:

This is the kind of support Morgantown can give to its only national amateur or pro sports institution? Not to mention, a year after almost reaching the Final Four?

How odd.

This surely would be laughably pathetic support, if not for some sort of significant mitigating circumstances to explain such low attendance vs. capacity for a successful team. And clearly the WVU AD must have been roping off nearly half of the seats, or something similarly severe, to keep people away from seeing a successful WVU basketball team in 2005. So let's find some mitigating circumstances for this curious attendance.

Perhaps the live sports market in Morgantown was very crowded during the winter. Lots of competition for the Average Joe's sports dollar would explain the sad, sad support for WVU home games. Perhaps all of those never-say-die, wouldn't-miss-it-for-the-world WVU basketball fans were spending their budgeted sports money on one of the Morgantown metropolitan area's many other big-name schools instead. Or maybe they were out supporting one of West Virginia's many professional winter sports. That certainly would keep them away from WVU basketball -- because nobody has an infinite supply of cash, after all. Or maybe that grueling Morgantown evening traffic kept them away.

Or, maybe... just maybe... during a very successful year, and after an incredibly successful year... WVU's basketball fans just couldn't even be bothered to show up in the first place.

Or in other words, WVU basketball aspired to see a capacity crowd leave with ten minutes left in the game -- because that would mean they somehow managed to actually fill the seats.

To be fair: This year, it looks like WVU finally will reach the point of selling out at home -- at least three years too late.

Finally, for the first time ever, 14,000 people in the state of West Virginia might want to watch West Virginia home basketball enough to turn off the TV, get up off the couch, open their wallets and pay a few paltry bucks for gas. It took not one, not two, but three years of success and a deep tournament run to get to this point.

And now someone's pretending to care about a sellout Maryland crowd leaving a sporting event early, during a bad year?

At least they showed up during a bad year - unlike WVU fans during a good year! :doh:

[EersSkins05]

lots of blah, blah, blah...
And now someone's pretending to care about a sellout Maryland crowd leaving a sporting event early, during a bad year?

At least they showed up during a bad year - unlike WVU fans during a good year! :doh:

Excellent point. Basketball isn't very big in West Virginia. It really never has been. It took the successful seasons of late to get the ordinarily football-only-minded fans to pay attention to the presence of the basketball team at all. (Trust me- I was among the crowd for every home game in the last 4 years- which included losses to teams like Northeastern- and to call WVU basketball fans bandwagon is to assert that there was even a wagon.)

We don't show up in droves to collegiate wrestling matches either, despite the fact that we've had a few nationally ranked squads lately. Why? West Virginians don't really care about collegiate wrestling that much.

WVU does however, care about football, as evidenced by the fact that most home games are sellouts in the above-mentioned 60k stadium, which means that 4% of the entire state's population is in attendence of those games. And even when the chips were down against hated Virginia Tech last year, we stuck it out and hoped for the best.

Contrast this with being down by two scores, to a rival, with 10 1/2 minutes to play, and watching DROVES of fans leaving the stadium- my wife and I were absolutely dumbstruck- in the third game of the season, when you were 1-1 and still had a very reasonable chance in the game (as your late comeback proved, albeit to a half empty stadium).

I might not have been so amazed by the dustclouds left by fleeing Terps fans if I hadn't listened to the barbs, put-downs, and nonsensical sterotypical generalizations that flowed from the mouths of the Terp "faithful" as I sat quietly in my seat, which happened to be located in a Terp section.

I was left saying, "What, all that and you're leaving NOW?"

So please refrain from bringing up our empty "national championship trophy case" in an otherwise unrelated thread if half of your fanbase isn't even going to stick around to watch the end of the game when we whip that ass. :D

[Major Harris]

i wonder what the average attendance for a rifle match has been over the years in morgantown? :whoknows:

[PleaseBlitz]

Perhaps all of those never-say-die, wouldn't-miss-it-for-the-world WVU basketball fans were spending their budgeted sports money on one of the Morgantown metropolitan area's many other big-name schools instead.

I was spending mine on beer at Ragtime.



Edit: This train of discussion is pointless and stupid and certainly doesnt belong in this thread. :2cents:

[EersSkins05]

I was spending mine on beer at Ragtime.



Edit: This train of discussion is pointless and stupid and certainly doesnt belong in this thread. :2cents:

Neither does 9/10ths of the rest of the thread. :2cents: Notice I only popped up when Mjah decided to take a shot at WVU.

[mjah]

i wonder what the average attendance for a rifle match has been over the years in morgantown?
Dunno. Probably about the same as Maryland's attendance for Competitive Cheer. :whoknows:

Contrast this with being down by two scores, to a rival, with 10 1/2 minutes to play, and watching DROVES of fans leaving the stadium
Again, because apparently this is a subtle point: I'd much rather see them show up and leave when losing is probable, than see them pull the Invisible Mountaineer Trick and not show up at all when winning is probable.

Not showing up to see a sure-fire winning season in a revenue sport is the ultimate sign of disrespect to your school. It's a sign that fans are less interested in supporting the school than in merely being part of an event. Anything can be an event. NC State's 4th place parades are events. Events aren't necessarily special.

But your school should be special, and once fans (re-)discover a sport they'll continue to support it -- if they believe in the school as more than just a stadium with a place to park and tailgate. I can tell you firsthand that Maryland finally learned this lesson less than ten years ago, thanks to Debbie Yow (in one of her less controversial contributions to the athletic discourse). Any impartial observer will agree that the results of that sea change in AD philosophy have been very impressive, even given the occasional and inevitable down years.

WVU shouldn't tolerate anything less than full support for the school itself. Revenue sports are called revenue sports for a reason: consistent fan support generates money and exposure for the school in about a billion ways, not just better football teams. Once a traditionally uncompetitive revenue sport becomes successful and visible again, you should immediately expect a healthy fanbase who loves their school to discover and support it.

I understand your frustration over the way the WVU basketball fan scene has played out, as you've clearly been a WVU baskeball fan for long enough to see it happen. Maybe in the future some miracle will occur and WVU fans will be more consistent in their support for basketball, regardless of the results. I'd be a big fan of that -- not just because I used to live in Morgantown, but also because Gary will eventually get rid of his current crop of bums and get his team back to its natural state. It will then be nice to watch the Universe tilt back to its natural state as he beats you like a cheap drum in your own sold-out house. :D

I sat quietly in my seat, which happened to be located in a Terp section.
Your fault. You seem relatively intelligent. Never, ever do that. We have more than our fair share of New Jersey hambone idiots -- though not as many as some other schools who shall go nameless.

So please refrain from bringing up our empty "national championship trophy case" in an otherwise unrelated thread if half of your fanbase isn't even going to stick around blah blah blah
Please refrain from questioning the fortitude of my fanbase if yours hasn't show up yet.

Don't worry -- I'm very patient. :laugh:

By the way -- since your national championship trophy case is completely empty, it occurs to me that maybe you don't even have one. Is the trophy case itself also missing?

[mjah]

EersSkins05:Notice I only popped up after PleaseBlitz decided to take a shot at Maryland.
Fixed that for you.

[EersSkins05]

Dunno. Probably about the same as Maryland's attendance for Competitive Cheer. :whoknows:

And yet we don't chastise you for your failure to attend. Why? Competative cheer isn't that big of a deal there.

Again, because apparently this is a subtle point: I'd much rather see them show up and leave when losing is probable, than see them pull the Invisible Mountaineer Trick and not show up at all when winning is probable.

Leaving before the game is over is ok in certain situations. WVU fans have, from time to time, done the same, as every school does when losing is inevitable. But that's the point here- you were down 2 scores with a full quarter to play. And as your late comeback demonstrated, you were very much in the game when the stadium was being abandoned.

Not showing up to see a sure-fire winning season in a revenue sport is the ultimate sign of disrespect to your school. It's a sign that fans are less interested in supporting the school than in merely being part of an event.

It isn't a sign of disrespect to the school- it's a sign of the disinterest in basketball around here. True, men's basketball is a revenue sport. But if you think that a state completely uninterested in the sport of basketball is going to rise from their slumber overnight, you're mistaken. Morgantown isn't a big enough city to be able to fill non-student sections with fans for weeknight games against non-marquee talent. Those fans have to come in from out of town, and as I previously mentioned, there aren't that many residents of the State of West Virginia.

Relax though, it's happening. (As evidenced by your own acknowledgement of a sold out season coming up, despite the fact that essentially 4 4-year starters and a key role player just graduated and our team should have a down year.)

It will then be nice to watch the Universe tilt back to its natural state as he beats you like a cheap drum in your own sold-out house. :D

Like they did the last time the two teams met?
http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120703aaa.html

Your fault. You seem relatively intelligent. Never, ever do that. We have more than our fair share of New Jersey hambone idiots -- though not as many as some other schools who shall go nameless

Oh, I agree. It's just that Maryland fans are THE most likely fans to resort to stereotypes of West Virginia fans when the on-field/court tide has turned against them. Trust me, I've met fans from South Florida to Boston College, and by FAR Maryland fans are the biggest ***holes. (At least towards WVU fans. Can't speak for other fans.)


Please refrain from questioning the fortitude of my fanbase if yours hasn't show up yet.

Don't worry -- I'm very patient. :laugh:


Again, we show up in the only sport that we really care about. And we stay, even when the home team isn't winning. :D (Lest I remind you of WVU fans outnumbering Maryland fans about 3-1 at the Gator Bowl 3 years ago.)


By the way -- since your national championship trophy case is completely empty, it occurs to me that maybe you don't even have one. Is the trophy case itself also missing?


No. But half of Byrd Stadium was in the fourth quarter... :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Post 31.
I don't mean to intrude on your little WVU-VT argument party/sausagefest, but who was the first person to mention the Big East in this thread? Hint: not a VT guy.

[...]

Good God, now I'm occasionally taking a position here and there in the meaningless Battle of the Backwoods. Can't you WVU and VT homers see that this never-ending argument reduces all of us to animals?

Wait, let me guess. The honorable WVU dudes are just taking up a contrary position -- not arguing. And the VT dudes are just pointing out facts.

Just accept the inevitable. Fold the wilderness in upon itself, move the two campuses together, and merge the two schools into one. The Big East can keep it. I can't even tell you guys apart anymore. If that's not enough to scare you, then all of you have already lost.

:finger:

Post 33.

Shouldnt Maryland fans take a year off talking about sports? :laugh:


:whoknows:

[TSmithTheReal#36]

If you meant by taking off from talking about Basketball and Football, I can see what you're saying.
But if you want to talk about sports in general this past year Maryland dominated WV.
4 National Championships to 0

[PleaseBlitz]

If you meant by taking off from talking about Basketball and Football, I can see what you're saying.
But if you want to talk about sports in general this past year Maryland dominated WV.
4 National Championships to 0


Thats true, i forgot about that.

[mjah]

And yet we don't chastise you for your failure to attend. Why? Competative cheer isn't that big of a deal there.
I was having fun with you. You missed the point, though: it's not a matter of whether a sport is popular in your particular state. It's a matter of how important the sport is to your athletic department's health and future.

Basketball is important. Comparatively, rifle or cheer are not, meaning you aren't necessarily harming your school by failing to attend. I'm not ragging on WVU's rifle attendance. Why? Because while the rifle team's accomplishments certainly must be a point of pride for WVU, they aren't essential to a healthy athletic program. But revenue sports attendance is important. Whatever facility you have, you want to fill it up. I should hope that a WVU sports fan would see anemic basketball support as an embarrassment.

Frankly, I'm amazed that West Virginia has isolated itself from basketball. I mean, look at the places within a two-state radius of you:

Kentucky
Maryland
Indiana
Ohio
New York
North Carolina
Michigan

All of them are somewhere between very interested and downright rabid when it comes to basketball. It's unconscionable that West Virginia wouldn't be at least as supportive of their men's basketball team as Texas Tech is of their women's team. But I guess news of "the other revenue sport" is finally reaching Morgantown.
Leaving before the game is over is ok in certain situations. WVU fans have, from time to time, done the same, as every school does when losing is inevitable.
Yes, you have. Nice to see you acknowledge that.

But that's the point here- you were down 2 scores with a full quarter to play. And as your late comeback demonstrated, you were very much in the game when the stadium was being abandoned.
You and your ten minute quarters.

Maryland fans were probably embarrassed to be losing a regular season game to a team they obliterated when the nation was actually watching. Better to slink out and regroup. ;)

But again:

Maryland fans: Showed up when the chips were down; then went home.
WVU fans: Never even showed up when the cards were stacked in their favor.

I know who I'd want supporting me: the folks who actually show at least some support!

It isn't a sign of disrespect to the school- it's a sign of the disinterest in basketball around here.
While being disrespectful to WVU, it also obviously shows a lack of interest in basketball.

How many dook student basketball fan nerdlings go to dook football games? And yet dook is located in prime territory for college football fans. How many people would say dook has a well rounded athletic department and fanbase? Maybe, nobody on Earth? They have placed every one of their eggs in a single basket (no pun). Better hope nothing happens to basketball in Durham.

Showing up for revenue sports is the duty of a do-or-die fanbase. Maryland has finally figured this out, and WVU should too. (dook probably never will, but if they do it will be long after the death of Herr K.)

True, men's basketball is a revenue sport. But if you think that a state completely uninterested in the sport of basketball is going to rise from their slumber overnight, you're mistaken.
Why not? It has happened elsewhere. A great many elsewheres, in fact. Half a season of success and -- boom -- the fans awaken. Almost instant sellouts. Happened at Maryland. Happened elsewhere. The real question -- I have no answer for it -- is why a state almost completely surrounded by basketball has no interest until years after a successful product is dropped in their backyard. It doesn't take three years for the out-of-towners to drive to Morgantown for a new sport.

Virginia Tech outdrew WVU for basketball in 2005. WVU barely managed to squeak out an attendance advantage over VT in 2006 -- by roughly 500 fans a game. For a team coming off an Elite Eight appearance. Baffling.

I really don't have an answer for this conundrum. From what I've seen in here, nobody else does either. It's just weird.

there aren't that many residents of the State of West Virginia.
During your Elite Eight year, Marshall got half of your basketball attendance for FAR less than half the product. In Huntington. There are plenty of people in West Virginia.

Like they did the last time the two teams met?
It takes time for the Universe to right itself. Be patient. Patient like a West Virginia basketball arena waiting for 80% attendance.

Well, okay, that last bit was gratuitous. You won't have to spend an entire generation waiting.

by FAR Maryland fans are the biggest ***holes. (At least towards WVU fans. Can't speak for other fans.)
I can't control the Loo-woong Islanduhs who show up to the games in their Maryland shirts and Yankees hats. Sorry. I'd love to be rid of them. Of course, so would most of the Eastern seaboard.

But you also have to realize, with all due respect, that making merciless fun of West Virginia is pretty much a legally mandated aspect of living in Maryland. It's the natural pecking order. And just as we keep giving you the Lucy Van Pelt treatment, I'm sure you guys serve as a designated older, wiser, nastier brother to some other part of the country. Some chunk of Kentucky, or something. And so it continues from region to region, all the way down to a slice of Idaho that then has nobody to pick on. We really should be worried about those guys. They have lots of guns.

You'll be angry about that last paragraph. You'll claim that you aren't angry -- you just pity us, or rest well at night knowing we're all [insert obscene body part reference here]. Or you'll claim that you just ignore it because you know better. You'll tell me not to have such a high opinion of my home state, because it's no good. But deep down that paragraph will get to you because you know it's true. :silly:

Again, we show up in the only sport that we really care about.
No need to reiterate that. The attendance stats tell the whole story.

Lest I remind you of WVU fans outnumbering Maryland fans about 3-1 at the Gator Bowl 3 years ago.
Ah, yes. The total destruction of WVU in front of millions of viewers, as I recall. A score of 41-7. Systematic disassembly. We did love Scott McBrien. He threw three TDs and rushed for a third. Thank God you guys didn't have him. Thanks again for letting him slip right through your fingers.

I wish you had outnumbered us 5-1. You were dead silent for a surprising amount of time.

If you're in the stands but not cheering, is that better than leaving early?

I guess it is a step in the right direction, relative to the no-show support WVU basketball has received.

Could you please send a picture of your national championship trophy case?

Here's a 4th-quarter Byrd Stadium sellout (2003) in advance:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/md/nonsport/facilities/2003/byrd-stadium-400x267.jpg

All in good fun, all in good fun... :cheers:

[Major Harris]

this is officially train wrecked. if a mod EVER comes in here, please lock this puppy down. :laugh:

[mjah]

BCS must go.

[EersSkins05]

We've covered most of the ground before, as you've chastised a state for not caring about the sport you care about. As I told you, relax. It's coming.

(And if you're going to bring up Marshall's attendence at all, please note that Huntington is at least AS large as Morgantown (probably bigger) and located 20 minutes away from the biggest city in West Virginia. Try again.)

With regard to the "new" arguments:



Maryland fans were probably embarrassed to be losing a regular season game to a team they obliterated when the nation was actually watching. Better to slink out and regroup. ;)


Are you forgetting that this game was also nationally televised (ESPN2). Much like the year before (ESPN), a game you also lost? You would think for a state with such a superior attitude (in athletics and otherwise), you'd be moderately comfortable in the knowledge that you could score twice in 10.5 minutes.


Maryland fans: Showed up when the chips were down; then went home.
WVU fans: Never even showed up when the cards were stacked in their favor.

I know who I'd want supporting me: the folks who actually show at least some support!


Exactly when were the chips down? You were 1-1, for God's sakes. If that's the chips being down, obviously the Maryland Terrapins were preseason national title candidates in 2005... lol

But you also have to realize, with all due respect, that making merciless fun of West Virginia is pretty much a legally mandated aspect of living in Maryland. It's the natural pecking order...

You'll be angry about that last paragraph. You'll claim that you aren't angry -- you just pity us, or rest well at night knowing we're all [insert obscene body part reference here]. Or you'll claim that you just ignore it because you know better. You'll tell me not to have such a high opinion of my home state, because it's no good. But deep down that paragraph will get to you because you know it's true. :silly:

If you want to lump the Long Islanders as the only collection of the Maryland fan base that represents ***holes, feel free. Whatever makes you feel better about the fanbase, I suppose. The people I refer to, after many encounters, including each of the last 4 meetings on the football field (and a couple of times in Orioles/Redskins games as I wore a WVU hat) are decidedly not limited to out-of-staters, as your smug characterization listed above evidences.

We're not angry, we don't pity you, and we won't ignore you, but you are still ***holes, as are any group of people that refer to generic, sterotypical generalizations about a wide number of people in an attempt to have the last word on an individual member. These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.

Ah, yes. The total destruction of WVU in front of millions of viewers, as I recall. A score of 41-7. Systematic disassembly.

Millions of viewers? Well, maybe if you count all of the Maryland fans that stayed home... :laugh: (A prelude of things to come, as it were.)

We did love Scott McBrien. He threw three TDs and rushed for a third. Thank God you guys didn't have him. Thanks again for letting him slip right through your fingers.

No prob. Thanks for Steve Slaton and Owen Schmitt. Something tells me we'll get a little more out of those two than you did McBrien. (We already have, actually.) :D

Could you please send a picture of your national championship trophy case?

Again, we don't have one for football or basketball. (Only rifle, wrestling, and boxing) We are, however, closer attaining one than the Terps are any time soon. :D
All in good fun, all in good fun... :cheers:

Agreed. :cheers:

[TSmithTheReal#36]

Just to let you know EersSkins05 I am not one of those MD *******s your referring to just incase we ever meet at a Skins game or Md vs WV game
:thumbsup:

[mjah]

We've covered most of the ground before, as you've chastised a state for not caring about the sport the rest of the nation cares about.
True. It's sad.

And if you're going to bring up Marshall's attendence at all, please note that Huntington is at least AS large as Morgantown (probably bigger) and located 20 minutes away from the biggest city in West Virginia.
My point, which you missed, was that Huntington is no basketball mecca. Nor is nearby Charleston, that booming metropolis of 50,000 people. And yet Marshall, with no chance of going anywhere, got half the attendance of a team destined for Elite Eight greatness. Odd.

Particularly since 60,000 die-hards who bleed blue and gold and love their school can drive allllll the way to Morgantown for a handful of football games. Yet fewer than a quarter of them could have been bothered to show up for a couple handfuls of home basketball games. It's not as if you were playing some Big 10 schlub for each of those games -- you were playing tough opponents! National names!

But I know, I know -- you already explained it. WVU fans didn't care about supporting their other revenue sport. It's not a full explanation, but it'll do for a few seconds until I start wondering about it again.

Exactly when were the chips down? You were 1-1, for God's sakes.
I'd ask why you have latched onto a single game so tenaciously when it's not at all interesting, but I already know it's because you have precious little else to cling to in response to the facts about your basketball attendance.

You're confusing "game" with "season." The season angle is a red herring. Nobody abandoned the team for the season. In fact, the stadium sold extremely well.

During the particular game you attended, folks left because the team was losing in the 4th quarter and had shown basically no signs of life against a beatable team at home. Should they have stayed? Yeah, probably. You've pointed that out quite serviceably. Yet I've been to dozens of Maryland football games, and it's a rare thing for everyone to file out in that fashion. It's unfortunate that you had to be there to see that display, but it truly is atypical. If you try to make any kind of generalization out of it, you're making a mistake.

But just to be sure we're clear on this, here's an example of "game" vs. "season:"

"Tragically few people seemed to care enough to show up for the WVU basketball game" is a true statement.

"Tragically few people seemed to care enough to show up for the WVU basketball season is, well... okay, that's also true.

You're also downplaying Maryland fans' abilities to see through time. How else would they know how to find you anytime you visit? WVU hats don't carry radio beacons (as far as I know).

Are you forgetting that this game was also nationally televised (ESPN2). Much like the year before (ESPN), a game you also lost?
And you think the number of viewers for the regular season games was close to the complete and utter teardown you suffered in front of the Gator Bowl TV audience? Better do your research on that one.

Actually, I checked out the Gator Bowl numbers for you. It was easy. See results below.

Incidentally, on the topic of not showing up: I'm assuming you were trying something new at the Gator Bowl by having the fans show up while the team stayed home.

:laugh:


We're not angry, we don't pity you, and we won't ignore you, but you are still ***holes, as are any group of people that refer to generic, sterotypical generalizations about a wide number of people in an attempt to have the last word on an individual member. These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.
And the Unintentionally Ironic Rhetorical Error of the Year Award goes to...

...EersSkins05!

(Audience tosses batteries in celebration)

I'm not sure why you're stooping to obscene personal attacks on an Internet message board, while simultaneously claiming not to be offended. There's no need for that if this is truly all in good fun. Your cooperation is appreciated.

Millions of viewers?
What does 4.3 million viewers mean to you? Is that less than 1 million? Does WVU offer math classes?

[hokie4redskins]

What does 4.3 million viewers mean to you? Is that less than 1 million? Does WVU offer math classes?

'Eer math skills are pathetic. Trust me.

[PleaseBlitz]

My point, which you missed, was that Huntington is no basketball mecca. Nor is nearby Charleston, that booming metropolis of 50,000 people. And yet Marshall, with no chance of going anywhere, got half the attendance of a team destined for Elite Eight greatness. Odd.

Population 4x as big gets 1/2 the attendance. And you make fun of WVU for math skills. :doh:

Particularly since 60,000 die-hards who bleed blue and gold and love their school can drive allllll the way to Morgantown for a handful of football games. Yet fewer than a quarter of them could have been bothered to show up for a couple handfuls of home basketball games. It's not as if you were playing some Big 10 schlub for each of those games -- you were playing tough opponents! National names!

How much clearer can it be.

WVU = Football school.

Football games are EVENTS that occur on WEEKENDS. There are 5-6 per year.
Basketball. Not nearly the EVENT as football. How often do you see people tailgating a basketball game? Next.

I'd ask why you have latched onto a single game so tenaciously when it's not at all interesting, but I already know it's because you have precious little else to cling to in response to the facts about your basketball attendance.

See below.

You're confusing "game" with "season." The season angle is a red herring. Nobody abandoned the team for the season. In fact, the stadium sold extremely well.

During the particular game you attended, folks left because the team was losing in the 4th quarter and had shown basically no signs of life against a beatable team at home. Should they have stayed? Yeah, probably. You've pointed that out quite serviceably. Yet I've been to dozens of Maryland football games, and it's a rare thing for everyone to file out in that fashion. It's unfortunate that you had to be there to see that display, but it truly is atypical. If you try to make any kind of generalization out of it, you're making a mistake.

Oh, so this was just a one time thing. Glad we got to be the one time. :D

But just to be sure we're clear on this, here's an example of "game" vs. "season:"

"Tragically few people seemed to care enough to show up for the WVU basketball game" is a true statement.

"Tragically few people seemed to care enough to show up for the WVU basketball season is, well... okay, that's also true.

Meh, at least we did some damage in the Tourney. And we arent even a basketball school.

(ps. its "Duke")


And you think the number of viewers for the regular season games was close to the complete and utter teardown you suffered in front of the Gator Bowl TV audience? Better do your research on that one.

Actually, I checked out the Gator Bowl numbers for you. It was easy. See results below.

Incidentally, on the topic of not showing up: I'm assuming you were trying something new at the Gator Bowl by having the fans show up while the team stayed home.

Who's latching on to one game? And if you cared to research it like youve spent all night doing for basketball, WVU fans travel as well as any school in the country when it comes to football. Go ahead, look it up.


And the Unintentionally Ironic Rhetorical Error of the Year Award goes to...

...EersSkins05!

(Audience tosses batteries in celebration)

I'm not sure why you're stooping to obscene personal attacks on an Internet message board, while simultaneously claiming not to be offended. There's no need for that if this is truly all in good fun. Your cooperation is appreciated.


What does 4.3 million viewers mean to you? Is that less than 1 million? Does WVU offer math classes?

I like how you throw in a nice cheap shot before AND after you chastise him for throwing out personal attacks about Maryland fans. Real slick hypocrite. Just goes to prove his point.

[Major Harris]

mjah preaches about staying on topic....no one listens. he says eff it, and jumps right in. way to go skinner!

[EersSkins05]

PB already did a pretty good job of pointing out the discrepancy of logic (I wouldn't go so far as to say hypocritical) in mjah's last post. So I'll stick to what he didn't cover.


And you think the number of viewers for the regular season games was close to the complete and utter teardown you suffered in front of the Gator Bowl TV audience? Better do your research on that one.


You're missing the point entirely, as you have been for the last several pages. I didn't say the Gator Bowl drew less ratings than the two regular season games. Obviously a New Year's Day noon game on a national network is going to have a reasonable drawing power.

But if you're making excuses for the pathetic behavior of the Maryland fanbase on the basis of a game not being "important" enough to stick around for, I wonder what it would take to draw their interest.
Rival? Check
Saturday afternoon game? Check
Still in the game? Check
ESPN crew in the house? Check
Fans remaining in the stands? Fans remaining in the stands? *few cheers* Um, let's move on.

If you're wondering why WVU basketball's attendence has only increased by 7% after a mediocre, NIT season, 14% after the shocking Elite 8 run, and now apparently 29% gain after our second tournament appearance (despite the graduation- note that I said "graduation"... lol- of 4 4-year starters and the key bench player), I really don't think you have much to worry about.

Your love of school/revenue sport analysis is completely moot, as apparently NOW, WVU basketball will have a full house for the upcoming season, despite the fact that the team should be much worse than it has been the previous two years.

So what exactly is your point? I say WV isn't a basketball state, which is why the stadium hasn't been full. Football state needs an introductory period to basketball- that simple. That has occurred now, and the stadium is full. What are you chastising them for? The place is sold out, and we'll have role players and 3 unproven sophomores starting next year. (And we'll probably still be better than UM...)



Incidentally, on the topic of not showing up: I'm assuming you were trying something new at the Gator Bowl by having the fans show up while the team stayed home.

:laugh:


That's ok, Maryland fans AND their team stayed home during bowl season last year... (Instead of just their fans...:laugh: )


And the Unintentionally Ironic Rhetorical Error of the Year Award goes to...

...EersSkins05!

(Audience tosses batteries in celebration)

I'm not sure why you're stooping to obscene personal attacks on an Internet message board, while simultaneously claiming not to be offended. There's no need for that if this is truly all in good fun. Your cooperation is appreciated.


First, and most importantly, there was no irony, intentional or otherwise.

"Obscene personal attacks?" You obviously take the word "***hole" a little more seriously than I do... lol

I am just as carefree with that word to describe the Maryland fans that I've encountered as they are with the sterotypical generalizations that warranted such a classification.

[mjah]

Okay, I'm bored. Let's call this thing. As one of you guys mentioned earlier before, it's a train wreck.

Sigh. We've reached the point where nobody's adding anything interesting anymore -- just talking past each other at this point.

Most importantly: This argument isn't bringing us closer together as a family. :(

Oh, well.

Incidentally, I'm serious -- you shouldn't take this stuff personally. Personal insults are distracting. We've been taking cheap shots at each other for 4 pages. The insults are fairly new.

Personal insults in person? Let's get togther sometime, have some beers, insult each other face to face and then pound the living crap out of each other. On a message board... meh.

As always, I'll give myself the last word:

BCS MUST GO.

And of course, the ACC is awesome.

[Major Harris]

BCS MUST GO.

And of course, the Big East is awesome.


i 2nd both of those. ;)

[mjah]

HEY!

http://www.kellygarbato.com/wp-content/cartman002b.jpg

;)

[mjah]

I see you, EersSkins. :D

[EersSkins05]

Okay, I'm bored. Let's call this thing. As one of you guys mentioned earlier before, it's a train wreck.

Sigh. We've reached the point where nobody's adding anything interesting anymore -- just talking past each other at this point.

Most importantly: This argument isn't bringing us closer together as a family. :(

Oh, well.

Incidentally, I'm serious -- you shouldn't take this stuff personally. Personal insults are distracting. We've been taking cheap shots at each other for 4 pages. The insults are fairly new.

Personal insults in person? Let's get togther sometime, have some beers, insult each other face to face and then pound the living crap out of each other. On a message board... meh.

As always, I'll give myself the last word:

BCS MUST GO.

And of course, the ACC is awesome.

...........Mjah................................... .................... Eersskins05
.............V .................................................. ..............V

http://www.womenboxing.com/images/777119%20USA%20Champion%20Stella%20Nijhof%20Score% 204-9.jpg


lol- just kiddin

[mjah]

just kiddin
I should hope so.

Cartman would kick both of those girls' asses at the same time, with both manboobs tied behind his back.

[PleaseBlitz]

Personal insults in person? Let's get togther sometime, have some beers, insult each other face to face and then pound the living crap out of each other. On a message board... meh.




Im all for the first 2. Maybe the 3rd one of we get drunk enough. :cheers:

[mjah]

Actually, I ought to make a point to get out to Morgantown someday and see the old house.

I guess one of you guys is in West Virginia and one of you is in North Virginia, or wherever, so that probably wouldn't work out anyway.

'Cuz you'd definitely want to fight me 2 on 1. ;)

[PleaseBlitz]

Actually, I ought to make a point to get out to Morgantown someday and see the old house.

I guess one of you guys is in West Virginia and one of you is in North Virginia, or wherever, so that probably wouldn't work out anyway.

'Cuz you'd definitely want to fight me 2 on 1. ;)


I go back to Motown as often as i can, almost every home football game and a bunch of bball games, so im there quite a bit.


Did a 50 year old just tell me he could kick my ass? :whoknows:

[Major Harris]

I go back to Motown as often as i can, almost every home football game and a bunch of bball games, so im there quite a bit.


Did a 50 year old just tell me he could kick my ass? :whoknows:

yeah, he did.

i got yo' back, homeskillet.

[mjah]

Uh, that age is completely false. I entered it as a random number when I registered.

But don't tell anyone. And definitely don't post it in a public forum anywhere. I don't want to get in trouble for knowingly supplying inaccurate information.

Oh, and Cartman would do most of my brawling for me, as I can't depart from my kickboxing discipline (only defensive engagement outside the gym, no instigation). So you'd have to contend with his nightstick.

[EersSkins05]

If the fight looked like it was leaning our way, you'd probably just leave early anyway.

(ZING!) lol

[PleaseBlitz]

If the fight looked like it was leaning our way, you'd probably just leave early anyway.

(ZING!) lol



:rotflmao:




Im setting the over under on Mjahs age at 28 and taking the under.

[Inxsive]

If the fight looked like it was leaning our way, you'd probably just leave early anyway.

(ZING!) lol

Well if it took place in West Virginia, the loser would probably just start a fire afterwards!:evil:

[Major Harris]

Well if it took place in West Virginia, the loser would probably just start a fire afterwards!:evil:
we burn when we win. when we lose, we just drink a lil' more. ;)

[Inxsive]

we burn when we win. when we lose, we just drink a lil' more. ;)

Silly me, at least your alcohol tax revenue goes up when you play Virginia Tech!:cheers:

[EersSkins05]

we burn when we win. when we lose, we just drink a lil' more. ;)

Jeez, if he's going to make fun of our couch burning, he should at least get the details right... lol

[Inxsive]

Jeez, if he's going to make fun of our couch burning, he should at least get the details right... lol

True, I should have said winner!:notworthy

Wasn't it like 140 fires? All of those were couches? Is there even 140 couches there? I mean I didn't think you can get a couch into a trailer or is that why they were available to burn, because they were sitting out front?

[EersSkins05]

True, I should have said winner!:notworthy

Wasn't it like 140 fires? All of those were couches? Is there even 140 couches there? I mean I didn't think you can get a couch into a trailer or is that why they were available to burn, because they were sitting out front?

That was the greatest insult I've ever seen from a person with a screenname that is a derivative of a cheesy 80's band... :laugh:

[Inxsive]

That was the greatest insult I've ever seen from a person with a screenname that is a derivative of a cheesy 80's band... :laugh:

LOL, cheesy? Ouch! Now choosing a new lead singer on a TV show, THATS CHEESY!!!:pimp: At least you didn't start with the "Well Hung" line of INXS jokes!

[PleaseBlitz]

Why do people think that mentioning couch burnings is an insult?


We do it because we WANT to. VT fans just dont understand fun. Thats why you've never seen VT on the list of best party schools. Though they'll probably just say the polls are wrong. :laugh:



VT tried to copy us and burned down a house. :doh:

[mjah]

Hey, you guys would know about this.

How many couches would fit in this luxurious West Virginia condo?

http://www.81x.com/Authors/mrjah/underoveralls.jpg

[Major Harris]

Hey, you guys would know about this.

How many couches would fit in this luxurious West Virginia condo?

http://www.81x.com/Authors/mrjah/underoveralls.jpg

never saw that one before. :rolleyes:

:laugh:

i got 3 in it once. of course, i crushed the goat in the process. :D

[PleaseBlitz]

Hey, you guys would know about this.

How many couches would fit in this luxurious West Virginia condo?

http://www.81x.com/Authors/mrjah/underoveralls.jpg


**** the couches. That whole thing would burn great!

[mjah]

Look at the picture, though. There's nobody there.

Must have been a basketball game celebration. :laugh:

[EersSkins05]

**** the couches. That whole thing would burn great!

That would look excellent ablaze on Grant Ave. :cheers:

[Inxsive]

Why do people think that mentioning couch burnings is an insult?
We do it because we WANT to. VT fans just dont understand fun. :doh:

LOL, yes we know you do it because you want to. Rapist rape because they want to, thieves steal because they want to. Did you think we thought that some magical force was causing you to riot?

[Major Harris]

. Rapist rape because they want to,
spoken like a true hokie. :thumbsup:

inxs gets his official hokie pass now. :laugh:

[Inxsive]

spoken like a true hokie. :thumbsup:

inxs gets his official hokie pass now. :laugh:

LOL, At least when a Virginian has sex they leave the family tree.;)

[mjah]

If the fight looked like it was leaning our way, you'd probably just leave early anyway.
Sorry, I was a no-show on this earlier. Delinquent in my duties, I missed the show like a WVU basketball fan.

Obviously your quoted line was a joke -- things couldn't possibly lean your way after you failed to even show up.

You're right -- that's pretty funny! :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Rapist rape because they want to, thieves steal because they want to.

<insert Marcus Vick joke here>

















http://www.members.tripod.com/SoundBytes1/star_wars/sweasy.wav

[mjah]

LOL, At least when a Virginian has sex they leave the family tree.
That's not completley true -- West Virginia's typical family tree does have some branches.

Check it out:
http://danny.oz.au/travel/walks/20030704/p/2707-dead-tree.jpg

[PleaseBlitz]

That's not completley true -- West Virginia's typical family tree does have some branches.

Check it out:
http://danny.oz.au/travel/walks/20030704/p/2707-dead-tree.jpg

Arent you from Morgantown? Or at least lived there? :whoknows:

[mjah]

Arent you from Morgantown? Or at least lived there?
How else would I speak about the place from a position of first-hand knowledge?

[Major Harris]

How else would I speak about the place from a position of first-hand knowledge?
translation:

he lost his virginity to his sister.

[mjah]

Fortunately, we moved before our brains were infected with the rampant Incestis Westvirginius parasite.

But I pray for the poor souls who didn't make it out. May God have mercy on the degenerate souls of their offspring.

[Major Harris]

Fortunately, we moved before our brains were infected with the rampant Incestis Westvirginius parasite.

But I pray for the poor souls who didn't make it out. May God have mercy on the degenerate souls of their offspring.

you talking about my son? that's it. i'm coming to new england.
my goat is slow, so you've got time to prepare. :laugh:

[Inxsive]

you talking about my son? that's it. i'm coming to new england.
my goat is slow, so you've got time to prepare. :laugh:

If you'd stop banging the goat he might move faster! ;)

[mjah]

you talking about my son? that's it. i'm coming to new england.
my goat is slow, so you've got time to prepare.
Given our pathetic road system up here, you'll be in better shape than anyone using a car.

Maybe I ought to throw the deadbolts in about a week, just to be sure.

[PleaseBlitz]

How else would I speak about the place from a position of first-hand knowledge?


Translation: The rivalry got too intense for him too. :laugh:

[mjah]

Translation: The rivalry got too intense for him too.
It's true. I couldn't handle the constant Marshall-WVU rumbles.

After that skirmish between their rifle teams, I was outta there.