Barack Hussein Obama admits cocaine use..

[Air Force Cane]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

articles coming out now about his admitted marijuana and cocaine use during high school, college and law school. First candidate in US history to admit to it..

http://web.mac.com/citywifi/iWeb/Site/obama%20cocaine_files/obama-cocaine.jpg

[Thanos]

It was mentioned in his two books.This is old news.

Have fun.

[rincewind]

So in other words, he is honest about his past - unlike some people sitting in the Oval Office today?

[Sarge]

There probably aren't too many people today running for office that can say they have never at least tried drugs.

That said, the guy is still an empty suit

[Spaceman Spiff]

So in other words, he is honest about his past - unluck some people sitting in the Oval Office today?

Beat me to it.

[iheartskins]

AWESOME AFC!!!! Score one for the Republicans! Suck it Obama!

High five dude. Amazing find and hilarious cartoon man--especially with the incredibly funny use of bold and italics. Who do they have writing these things?! Boy-o-boy!!

[Ford]

He's not squeaky clean like W, but what are you gonna do? .. :rolleyes:

[Thanos]

AWESOME AFC!!!! Score one for the Republicans! Suck it Obama!

High five dude. Amazing find and hilarious cartoon man--especially with the incredibly funny use of bold and italics. Who do they have writing these things?! Boy-o-boy!!

Who said the GOP is behind this>? I bet the DNC leaked this to derail him early.

Gotta love politics.

[iheartskins]

Who said the GOP is behind this>? I bet the DNC leaked this to derail him early.

Gotta love politics.
I was channelling fansince62 for about as much scathing sarcasm as I can muster on a cold January day. Apologies if that wasn't patently obvious--crap, still channelling. :)

[Larry]

I was channelling fansince62 for about as much scathing sarcasm as I can muster on a cold January day. Apologies if that wasn't patently obvious--crap, still channelling. :)

Is that "channeling", or "shoveling"? :)

[iheartskins]

Is that "channeling", or "shoveling"? :)
You be the judge, Larry. :)

[jrockster21]

Oh man...drug use in college? What is this world coming too. :(

[Buford]

I especially like the part where AFC goes with the talking points instead of thinking for himself, and uses the guys middle name in hopes that people think there is some kind of islamofacist connection or something.

Keep the streak alive dude! 36 years without an original thought!

[Zguy28]

Didn't CNN run a pic of Osama Bin Laden with the caption "Where is Obama?" :laugh:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/194999,CST-NWS-obama03.article

[chomerics]

Didn't CNN run a pic of Osama Bin Laden with the caption "Where is Obama?" :laugh:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/194999,CST-NWS-obama03.article

Yea, that liberal bias shows again :rolleyes:

I wonder if AFC questioned Bush's cocaine past, as well as his DUI arrest? Something tells me the answer is no.

[Bang]

So he's like most of us.
Up two respect points.

~Bang

[Zguy28]

Yea, that liberal bias shows again :rolleyes:Its why I only watch local News affiliates now and not the Big Three.

I wonder if AFC questioned Bush's cocaine past, as well as his DUI arrest? Something tells me the answer is no.I know, people change. At least he was up front about it. Too bad I'll never vote for him though because of his Pro-Abortion stance. :2cents:

[DCsportsfan53]

So he's like most of us.
Up two respect points.

~Bang

:laugh:

Basically, that's about the size of it. At least he's man enough to admit it, unlike most politicians.

[Zguy28]

:laugh:

Basically, that's about the size of it. At least he's man enough to admit it, unlike most politicians.Yes but did he inhale? :laugh:

[Buford]

doesn't matter. Dude peaked too early, and doesn't really have the political experience when it comes down to it.

Then again, nobody thought the President did either (maybe he still doesn't).

I think he's running to eventually get a V.P. running spot.

[rincewind]

AFC posts an overly partisan attack thread, doesn't title the thread properly, gets kicked around (by people on both sides of the fence), and doesn't come back to his own train wreck of a thread... I'm glad ES hasn't changed in the New Year. :)

[Sarge]

I think he's running to eventually get a V.P. running spot.


Ding ding

[jrockster21]

I think he's running to eventually get a V.P. running spot.


I think an Edwards/Obama ticket would do really good things...:2cents:

[Zguy28]

AFC posts an overly partisan attack thread, doesn't title the thread properly, gets kicked around (by people on both sides of the fence), and doesn't come back to his own train wreck of a thread... I'm glad ES hasn't changed in the New Year. :)Just another day/year here in the ES Tailgate. :D

[Air Force Cane]

Some of us actually have civilian jobs which do take us away from the board.

as to your points- what is incorrect about the thread title? Please enlighten me..

I detect a bit of trepidation from the libs on this one. I seem to remember when libs were saying,

"don't worry about Dean's habit of shooting his mouth off- he is honest and people like that!"

:laugh:

[rincewind]

Some of us actually have civilian jobs which do take us away from the board.

as to your points- what is incorrect about the thread title? Please enlighten me..

I detect a bit of trepidation from the libs on this one. I seem to remember when libs were saying,

"don't worry about Dean's habit of shooting his mouth off- he is honest and people like that!"

:laugh:



Are you referring to my post? I can't tell as you didn't quote anything.

[Fergasun]

Who does cocaine in law school? It wasn't college, but LAW SCHOOL... we're talkin' about LAW SCHOOL... this isn't college, but LAW SCHOOL.... LAW SCHOOL man...

[skinsfan44]

So in other words, he is honest about his past - unlike some people sitting in the Oval Office today?

And just like Clinton when he said he didn't "inhail." :rolleyes:

[Riggo-toni]

1.) I couldn't care less, especially since he's open about it.

2.) What's the fascination with this guy? He apparently is a good or perhaps even excellent speaker, but he's never accomplished anything significant as far as I know. He makes one good speech and suddenly everyone wants to anoint him as the next big thing. People are such friggin' sheep.

[jrockster21]

Who does cocaine in law school? It wasn't college, but LAW SCHOOL... we're talkin' about LAW SCHOOL... this isn't college, but LAW SCHOOL.... LAW SCHOOL man...


Ummm...don't know how to break this to you, but cocaine is a rich-man's drug. 90% of law students are rich kids; the connection is obvious. I'd bet most law schools have a relatively high percentage of cocaine usage...:whoknows:

[Major Harris]

i guess i'm a loser because i respect the mans honesty.

[whlinder]

I especially like the part where AFC goes with the talking points instead of thinking for himself, and uses the guys middle name in hopes that people think there is some kind of islamofacist connection or something.


I thought the same thing... It is quite sad.

[Fergasun]

Ummm...don't know how to break this to you, but cocaine is a rich-man's drug. 90% of law students are rich kids; the connection is obvious. I'd bet most law schools have a relatively high percentage of cocaine usage...:whoknows:

And furthering the connection... that would mean most lawyers use cocaine... and which profession is the one with the most Senators and House members...
I don't buy the 90% figure, even 50% seems high... Law School doesn't seem like the environment to do cocaine in, maybe I'm just a naive little child...

[Air Force Cane]

You libs don't even realize how much you live on talking points from the DNC or Daily Kos-

yet are the first to yell "look at the Karl Rove talking points".

it is kind of humorous actually- your responses are pavlovian.

Maybe you should take your "GOP talking points" issue up with CNN? (not exactly a strong supporter of the White House)

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/moos/2006/12/11/moos.obama.not.osama.affl&wm=10

[ChiefBigMeat]

Nice to see he scares Republicants enough to warrant this type of attention ....

As for not accomplishing anything ... He was the first black president of the Harvard Law review and recently a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

I'd have to say it's beneficial for him for this to get play now just to get it overwith early so it won't be a factor later :2cents:

[Larry]

2.) What's the fascination with this guy? He apparently is a good or perhaps even excellent speaker, but he's never accomplished anything significant as far as I know. He makes one good speech and suddenly everyone wants to anoint him as the next big thing. People are such friggin' sheep.

One of Larry's Laws of Politics is that a politician's appeal is inversely proportional to how much you know about him.

Ross Perot was a darling candidate. Unitll the media finally pinned him down and made it obvious that he was dodging cuestions about where he stood on the issues.

Colin Powell was just about appointed King, back when nobody knew if he was a Democrat or a Republican. (John McCain is riding the same kind of wave.)

Ahnold got elected Governator by successfully not telling the voters what he was going to do once he got there. Ignorance and name recognition were all he needed.

I think one reason for this is: As long as, say, Obama, doesn't say how he feels about, say, Iraq, then everybody can project onto him, and assume that he agrees with me.

Unfortunately, we haven't yet reached the point where someone can run for President without at least a token of a position, however vague, about whatever trivialities the media has decided are "the" issues.

His popularity will drop every time he kind-of answers a question about any issue. In fact, every major vote he takes is going to be publicized. (And will cost him.)

[Air Force Cane]

maybe Teddy Kennedy is part of these right wing talking points then also..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos&eurl=

[dfitzo53]

You libs don't even realize how much you live on talking points from the DNC or Daily Kos-

yet are the first to yell "look at the Karl Rove talking points".

it is kind of humorous actually- your responses are pavlovian.

Maybe you should take your "GOP talking points" issue up with CNN? (not exactly a strong supporter of the White House)
I don't think you can say, "Hi! I'm here to throw **** on your candidate!" knowing full well that other prominent politicians have had similar histories, and expect any real discourse.

[ChiefBigMeat]

One of Larry's Laws of Politics is that a politician's appeal is inversely proportional to how much you know about him.

Ross Perot was a darling candidate. Unitll the media finally pinned him down and made it obvious that he was dodging cuestions about where he stood on the issues.

Colin Powell was just about appointed King, back when nobody knew if he was a Democrat or a Republican. (John McCain is riding the same kind of wave.)

Ahnold got elected Governator by successfully not telling the voters what he was going to do once he got there. Ignorance and name recognition were all he needed.

I think one reason for this is: As long as, say, Obama, doesn't say how he feels about, say, Iraq, then everybody can project onto him, and assume that he agrees with me.

Unfortunately, we haven't yet reached the point where someone can run for President without at least a token of a position, however vague, about whatever trivialities the media has decided are "the" issues.

His popularity will drop every time he kind-of answers a question about any issue. In fact, every major vote he takes is going to be publicized. (And will cost him.)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

He umm... just published a bestselling book about his positions, outlook and things he would like to see accomplished in government. Title: The Audacity of Hope now available at any bookstore near you.

[SkinsFan#1]

Regardless of his drug use, Obama does not have a chance in the upcoming election

[jrockster21]

And furthering the connection... that would mean most lawyers use cocaine... and which profession is the one with the most Senators and House members...
I don't buy the 90% figure, even 50% seems high... Law School doesn't seem like the environment to do cocaine in, maybe I'm just a naive little child...


I was not implying that 90% of law-students use cocaine, I was saying that 90% of law students are rich kids...that is a number I have pulled out of my butt, although I'm sure that a huge percentage of kids in law school come from affluent backgrounds.

[Fergasun]

jrock,
Understandable. I just think cocaine use in highschool and college could be considered a "mistake". But if he kept doing it in law school, how do we know he stopped after law school? Obviously he didn't think it was a mistake at the time.

[Air Force Cane]

More from "right wing" CNN News "situation room"..

the libs make such prescient points :applause:

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5490/606/320/455748/cnn-%20obama-%20osama.jpg

[Zguy28]

Ummm...don't know how to break this to you, but cocaine is a rich-man's drug. 90% of law students are rich kids; the connection is obvious. I'd bet most law schools have a relatively high percentage of cocaine usage...:whoknows:

And furthering the connection... that would mean most lawyers use cocaine... and which profession is the one with the most Senators and House members...
I don't buy the 90% figure, even 50% seems high... Law School doesn't seem like the environment to do cocaine in, maybe I'm just a naive little child...I'm curious now, cause I've known rich kids and poor kids who used cocaine. Why don't we ask some folks who might know?

Isn't Iheart a lawyer? We're you a coke-head in law-school?

[rincewind]

I'm curious now, cause I've known rich kids and poor kids who used cocaine. Why don't we ask some folks who might know?

Isn't Iheart a lawyer? We're you a coke-head in law-school?



My wife went to law school - she's probably never even seen coke.



My best friend never attended a day of college - he's an addict.




Cocaine WAS a rich man's drug, but I believe crack and the 90's changed that.

[Bang]

Does anyone live under the laughable illusion that we're ever going to find a person who DOESN'T have a smudge or two in their past?

Perfection doesn't exist.


Oh, and for the record, I seriously doubt we'll EVER have another leader in this country. We won't allow it.
If Jesus came back and ran for office, whichever party was the opposition would claim he changed water into wine because he's a hopeless alcoholic.

We're a nation of fingerpointers and holier-than-thou types.

Just because a person has a few youthful indiscretions doesn't mean much. Almost all of us have a youthful indiscretion or five. Or nine.
Now if Obama did coke last NIGHT, yeah I'd have a problem with him holding office. But 20 years ago? Pfah.
We should open up a confessional thread so we can see how perfect we are when we measure up against these guys we tear apart for the same stuff we do or did.

~Bang

[Ignatius J.]

Obama may be unelectable. He's a die hard liberal. He's way more liberal than I am, and yet, I can't shake the feeling that he's the best canidate for president to appear in my lifetime. Those who say they don't know what he stands for are lazy. Just like the kids who claimed that kerry had no plans. He did, you just didn't bother to look. Don't fall for the hype. If you want to know what he stands for so you can make an informed decision, read his book, the audacity of hope. You might still hate him, but then at least you'll make an informed decision.

So given that I disagree with Obama on so many issues, why do I think he's more than an empty suit?

I think issues are over-rated big time. There's a reason why supreme court justices aren't supposed to face a litmus test. As a citizen I don't have all the facts. That's why it is so important to have someone in office that you can trust. I honestly can't tell you that I know for a fact whether we should be drawing down troops from Iraq or sending more. Nobody does. While I have my own opinions on the matter, I want a president who the nation can trust.

He can inspire. No one doubts this, they just doubt the value of this trait in a president. I actually think it may be one of the most important jobs the president can do. Imagine a president capable of rallying the country around an ideal. Suppose he steps into office and realizes that we really can't just leave iraq. That in order to win the war on terror, we'll have to put 40,000 to 100,000 more troops on the ground. We need a president that is capable of convincing us that this is the right thing to do with such vigor that enlistment rolls swell again to the levels they took in the wake of 9-11. Can anyone doubt that obama is the candidate most capable of having this effect on people?

He is intelligent. This is probably a knock on him to most of the country, but listen to how the man argues. It is a calm rationalization that seeks out the best in every opponents word. Read his book. Obama doesn't set up straw men to knock down. He knows that republicans are right on many issues. He believes that there are severe limitations to the ability of the welfare state to erase poverty. He acknowledges the weaknesses of his own position, but is still willing to fight for his ideals. His responses are measured, and represent the best solutions he can find to difficult situations. Implicit is the knowledge that no man is perfect, there are no harmless cures, and all success takes sacrifice.

More than anything, he is a leader. What has he accomplished? Go back to his days as a community organizer, where on basically no salary at all he worked with chicago's poor blacks to try and get basic repairs done on thier apartments. Repairs that included retrofitting asbestos covered pipes. In law school he was the editor of the harvard law review. Even if you don't care that he was the first black to do so, it is still a major accomplishment. In the senate, he is leading a charge for ethics reform, despite being even the junior senator in a minority party.

This is a great link for some of his ideas, and you can see that a few have already passed.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama

You want great ideas to help american manufacturing? How about this from the above link.

"Energy Policy
Starting in March of 2006 Sen. Obama began to enunciate his own view of U.S. energy policy. Obama started by offering the big three U.S. automakers a deal to get more fuel efficient vehicles to market. Obama's plan would call on the federal government to "pay 10 percent of the $6.7 billion in annual health costs for retirees that are weighing down General Motors, Ford and Chrysler if they'll commit to building more fuel-efficient cars".[24] "

Obama would never claim he has all the answers, but he's willing to propose serious solutions. More than that, he's willing to listen to opponents. How do I know he at least listens? When he is going over his reasons for supporting a certain issue, he often takes a moment to paraphrase the opponents views. But somehow, instead of constructing scarecrowss to knock down as he will, he frames his opponents arguments in such a convincing way that you can't help but notice that his arguments against himself are better than the arguments his opponents are throwing at him. That to me is a sign of someone who is capable of understanding the real issues on the table. And isn't it time we came to expect that from a president?

Barack Obama. He's my new favorite mulatto. He should be yours too.

[jrockster21]

Great post, IJ. I agree that Obama is a very good candidate for president. I just hope that we have progressed enough to look past his skin color (both sides of the fence) when it comes time to choose a new leader. I have a feeling that we are not. :(

I haven't read his books yet, but I just got his newest one for Christmas...I look forward to reading it.

[Liberty]

AWESOME AFC!!!! Score one for the Republicans! Suck it Obama!

High five dude. Amazing find and hilarious cartoon man--especially with the incredibly funny use of bold and italics. Who do they have writing these things?! Boy-o-boy!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Larry]

Isn't Iheart a lawyer? We're you a coke-head in law-school?

Well, to be a more accurate response to the assertion, you'd have to ask him if he was a rich cokehead. After all, he might have been one of the 10%.

:)

[DCsportsfan53]

Does anyone live under the laughable illusion that we're ever going to find a person who DOESN'T have a smudge or two in their past?

Perfection doesn't exist.


Oh, and for the record, I seriously doubt we'll EVER have another leader in this country. We won't allow it.
If Jesus came back and ran for office, whichever party was the opposition would claim he changed water into wine because he's a hopeless alcoholic.
We're a nation of fingerpointers and holier-than-thou types.Just because a person has a few youthful indiscretions doesn't mean much. Almost all of us have a youthful indiscretion or five. Or nine.
Now if Obama did coke last NIGHT, yeah I'd have a problem with him holding office. But 20 years ago? Pfah.
We should open up a confessional thread so we can see how perfect we are when we measure up against these guys we tear apart for the same stuff we do or did.

~Bang

:applause:

I agree wholeheartedly, especially with the sections I highlighted. It's sad that we've come to that point in our PC crusade but it is what it is. Strong leaders will usually have mistakes and flaws, invariably, it's just sad that we can't look past those because we're ALWAYS trying to find a way to villanize the other guy.

[DjTj]

Barack Obama. He's my new favorite mulatto. He should be yours too.Sounds like someone has fallen in love. :cloud9:

Obama is certainly an inspiring speaker with a great mind for policy and legislation, but it remains to be seen whether he can lead the country - he hasn't even won a seriously contested big election yet. I would like to see him try though, and it would definitely be a fun ride.

[Ignatius J.]

Way to sidestep the hard hitting issues brought up in my post DjTj. :)

I think someone's a little jealous that my new boy is on TV a lot more than yours is. And what's with the democrats infatuation with the pretty boys?

[Larry]

Obama is certainly an inspiring speaker with a great mind for policy and legislation, but it remains to be seen whether he can lead the country - he hasn't even won a seriously contested big election yet. I would like to see him try though, and it would definitely be a fun ride.

Abraham Lincoln lost every election he was ever a candidate in, except one.

(Not certain that's a good comparison to make. Just pointing out.)

[Diablo23]

He said Conan was going to be his running mate :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ECRWiCWT9k

[rincewind]

Abraham Lincoln lost every election he was ever a candidate in, except one.

(Not certain that's a good comparison to make. Just pointing out.)



:secret: Lincoln was a two-term President.

[Zuck]

There probably aren't too many people today running for office that can say they have never at least tried drugs.

That said, the guy is still an empty suit


I'd take an empty suit over the empty headed dude we have now any day.

[DjTj]

Way to sidestep the hard hitting issues brought up in my post DjTj. :)

I think someone's a little jealous that my new boy is on TV a lot more than yours is.Haha - what do you want me to say? I wholeheartedly agree with you that issues are overrated and that what we really need is a leader that can inspire us and bring the country together. I think Obama could definitely be that guy.

It's really too early to be fighting primary battles, especially when I really don't expect Obama to run this time around, but I guess if you want me to argue against you, I would temper your enthusiasm a bit because almost every politician has some kind of inspirational leadership story that draws people in ... John Kerry in his youth was that guy for the anti-war movement but when it came time to run for President, he flopped (or flip-flopped). Ted Kennedy is probably the most accomplished legislator in the Senate right now and also a fiery speaker, but he carries too much baggage (like the subject of this thread) that makes the White House unattainable. We've got Harold Ford, Jr. here in Memphis who fell just short of House Speaker a few years ago and just short of the Senate this fall. There's 10 Senators from Harvard Law (and 7 from U.Va ;) ) so there's no shortage of legal acumen among the nation's leadership.

When it really comes down to it, I think it's pretty hard to determine how great a President will really be ... but deciding on the basis of how inspired you are is certainly far superior to taking a laundry list of issues and checking off each one.
And what's with the democrats infatuation with the pretty boys?
As far as pretty boys, I think AJ_Skins might have pointed out at some point that all Democrats were either female or gay. ;)

[War Paint]

I swear, this Barack Obama media lovefest is worse than Tony Romomania. Obama hasn't said anything with substance. He's a typical Jessie Jackson without the hate whitey attitude, yet the liberal media is trying to make him the second coming of Gandhi :laugh: . Geez.... :doh:

[tizzod]

So he's like most of us.
Up two respect points.

~Bang

Exactly. Why is it so hard for these people to come out and say, "guess what? I'm human. It happened, it's over, won't happen again." Then move on to things that people should actually care about.

I couldn't care any less what someone did when they were 20. They are in their 40's and 50's now. I did some seriously stupid stuff back then that I would never consider doing again. As did most of us, I would assume.

People can, oh my God, actually grow up and mature! Can you believe it???

[tizzod]

Does anyone live under the laughable illusion that we're ever going to find a person who DOESN'T have a smudge or two in their past?

Perfection doesn't exist.


Oh, and for the record, I seriously doubt we'll EVER have another leader in this country. We won't allow it.
If Jesus came back and ran for office, whichever party was the opposition would claim he changed water into wine because he's a hopeless alcoholic.

We're a nation of fingerpointers and holier-than-thou types.

Just because a person has a few youthful indiscretions doesn't mean much. Almost all of us have a youthful indiscretion or five. Or nine.
Now if Obama did coke last NIGHT, yeah I'd have a problem with him holding office. But 20 years ago? Pfah.
We should open up a confessional thread so we can see how perfect we are when we measure up against these guys we tear apart for the same stuff we do or did.

~Bang


That sound you all just heard was the hammer hitting the nail squarely on the head.

[rincewind]

I swear, this Barack Obama media lovefest is worse than Tony Romomania. Obama hasn't said anything with substance. He's a typical Jessie Jackson without the hate whitey attitude, yet the liberal media is trying to make him the second coming of Gandhi :laugh: . Geez.... :doh:



How is he comparable to Jesse Jackson?

[Buford]

How is he comparable to Jesse Jackson?

in the way that he doesn't like either of them. :)

[Liberty]

How is he comparable to Jesse Jackson?

He is black and War Paint doesn't like him

[War Paint]

LOL. I don't like Jessie Jackson and it's not because he's black. Nice try Liberty. Out of all the politcal threads I've read here, your comments Liberty are always the most laughable of them all.

As far as his cocaine past, I could really care a less. Everything I've seen of him is a typical liberal stance. I'm pro-life. He isn't. He says the typical liberal talking points about the mess in Iraq, but doesn't offer any solutions. He spews out the "I disagree with Bush's policies". Well Obama, what liberal doesn't.

Here is the perfect example of Obama. Someone pro-life asks him his stance. He responds by saying "my views may be different from someone else's, but that doesn't mean we can't work together to find common ground." Well whoopdie-do. I've NEVER heard that before. That is the most cliche quote in politics.

[redskin81]

News flash!!!!! They all have skeletons including the current pres. ( He cant spell current) Obama will make a great president if elected.

[Liberty]

I didn't say you hated him because he was black I said that and the fact that you don't like him are what they have in common.


But your lack of any explanation may very well point that way

[War Paint]

I hope he runs for president. I would love four more years of republican rule.

[War Paint]

I didn't say you hated him because he was black I said that and the fact that you don't like him are what they have in common.


But your lack of any explanation may very well point that way

Why is that Liberty? Because everything is race to you? That maybe how your mind functions, but I judge a man on an individual basis, not race. I cleary stated why I feel the way I do. You judge men on race. That's the difference between how you think and I think.

[PleaseBlitz]

Wouldnt it be great if, instead of trying to cover up everything, a candidate admit everything he's ever done, said he regrets it, learned from his mistakes, and is a better person for it.

Then says, hey, you should vote for me anyways and heres why, and lists all of the reasons a rational american citizen (ie, not all you hardline righties and lefties that are just voting your party line anyways) would vote for him (or her).


Right, im crazy. I know.

[rincewind]

LOL. I don't like Jessie Jackson and it's not because he's black. Nice try Liberty. Out of all the politcal threads I've read here, your comments Liberty are always the most laughable of them all.

As far as his cocaine past, I could really care a less. Everything I've seen of him is a typical liberal stance. I'm pro-life. He isn't. He says the typical liberal talking points about the mess in Iraq, but doesn't offer any solutions. He spews out the "I disagree with Bush's policies". Well Obama, what liberal doesn't.

Here is the perfect example of Obama. Someone pro-life asks him his stance. He responds by saying "my views may be different from someone else's, but that doesn't mean we can't work together to find common ground." Well whoopdie-do. I've NEVER heard that before. That is the most cliche quote in politics.

Why is that Liberty? Because everything is race to you? That maybe how your mind functions, but I judge a man on an individual basis, not race. I cleary stated why I feel the way I do. You judge men on race. That's the difference between how you think and I think.


You're still not answering how he is comparable to Jesse Jackson.

[rincewind]

Wouldnt it be great if, instead of trying to cover up everything, a candidate admit everything he's ever done, said he regrets it, learned from his mistakes, and is a better person for it.

Then says, hey, you should vote for me anyways and heres why, and lists all of the reasons a rational american citizen (ie, not all you hardline righties and lefties that are just voting your party line anyways) would vote for him (or her).


Right, im crazy. I know.



Yeah - it got David Palmer elected. :D

[PleaseBlitz]

Yeah - it got David Palmer elected. :D


:laugh:


I would have voted for him if he were, you know, real. :)

[War Paint]

You're still not answering how he is comparable to Jesse Jackson.

Geez... it's obvious why I compared them. They both are pro-abortion, liberal, two black men that have or had interest in running for president, both criticize the war but don't offer solutions, etc...

I didn't realize you needed to be spoon fed.

[rincewind]

Geez... it's obvious why I compared them. They both are pro-abortion, liberal, two black men that have or had interest in running for president, both criticize the war and don't offer solutions, etc...

I didn't realize you needed to be spoon fed.



I don't think that is really why you threw his name out there, but whatever.

[Zuck]

Geez... it's obvious why I compared them. They both are pro-abortion, liberal, two black men that have or had interest in running for president, both criticize the war but don't offer solutions, etc...

I didn't realize you needed to be spoon fed.


Obama has stated that we should start moving troops out of Iraq. You may not like his solution but don't say he doesn't have one.

[War Paint]

I don't think that is really why you threw his name out there, but whatever.

Yeah. That's what I thought.

[Zguy28]

Exactly. Why is it so hard for these people to come out and say, "guess what? I'm human. It happened, it's over, won't happen again." Then move on to things that people should actually care about.

I couldn't care any less what someone did when they were 20. They are in their 40's and 50's now. I did some seriously stupid stuff back then that I would never consider doing again. As did most of us, I would assume.

People can, oh my God, actually grow up and mature! Can you believe it???Just ask George Allen how hard it is...

[NOVA2Tampa]

Obama may be a player 20 years from now, but right now, he's still FAR too inexperienced...he has ZERO foreign policy experience. That alone will keep him from winning the Democratic nomination, let alone winning the Presidency.

[Zuck]

Obama may be a player 20 years from now, but right now, he's still FAR too inexperienced...he has ZERO foreign policy experience. That alone will keep him from winning the Democratic nomination, let alone winning the Presidency.


How much foreign affairs experience did George Bush jr. have?



I do think Obama is unexperienced though. He's known for giving some good speaches but he hasn't done anything concrete as of yet. No real track record of doing anything.

[Larry]

Obama may be a player 20 years from now, but right now, he's still FAR too inexperienced...he has ZERO foreign policy experience. That alone will keep him from winning the Democratic nomination, let alone winning the Presidency.

And W, in 2000 (and Clinton, in '92. And Reagan. And . . ) had how much foreign policy experience?

[Duckus]

I am really interested in hearing more about him in the coming months and year. Love his personality and I am looking forward to hearing more about his stance on issues.

His lack of experience does not bother me at all. The difference between him now and him if he were to serve as Senator for the next 20 years is now he does not owe every politician, fund raiser and political operative a favor.

[Spaceman Spiff]

How much foreign affairs experience did George Bush jr. have?



I do think Obama is unexperienced though. He's known for giving some good speaches but he hasn't done anything concrete as of yet. No real track record of doing anything.

Well his cocaine was probably colombian...

[Zguy28]

He can inspire. No one doubts this, they just doubt the value of this trait in a president. I actually think it may be one of the most important jobs the president can do. Imagine a president capable of rallying the country around an ideal. Are you sure you're not talking about this guy?



http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/foghorn.jpg

Where did this guy go?

[EersSkins05]

His lack of experience does not bother me at all. The difference between him now and him if he were to serve as Senator for the next 20 years is now he does not owe every politician, fund raiser and political operative a favor.

Well put.

Jesus, at this point, ANY change in foreign policy would be welcome.

[ntotoro]

How much foreign affairs experience did George Bush jr. have?

I do think Obama is unexperienced though. He's known for giving some good speaches but he hasn't done anything concrete as of yet. No real track record of doing anything.

That's pretty much my deal, too. If he had been more than just a guy who looks nice in a suit giving impassioned speeches, he'd have a chance. As it stands, the other Democrats running against him will eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner, then maybe have a little dessert with whatever remains during the primaries before even getting to the election itself.

[iheartskins]

Back to the important issue: no I did not use cocaine in law school (or ever). :)

[Buford]

Back to the important issue: no I did not use cocaine in law school (or ever). :)

except right now. ;)

[PleaseBlitz]

Back to the important issue: no I did not use cocaine in law school (or ever). :)


Iheart stuck to the meth. :silly:

[stevenaa]

He didn't snort, he sniffed!! :) Who really cares.

[dfitzo53]

Why is that Liberty? Because everything is race to you? That maybe how your mind functions, but I judge a man on an individual basis, not race. I cleary stated why I feel the way I do. You judge men on race. That's the difference between how you think and I think.

Geez... it's obvious why I compared them. They both are pro-abortion, liberal, two black men that have or had interest in running for president, both criticize the war but don't offer solutions, etc...

I didn't realize you needed to be spoon fed.
We all know that race is one factor that connects the two men, and nobody is racist for pointing that out. Only a few posts after you try to imply Liberty is racist, you even make the connection yourself, after originally denying that had anything to do with your thinking. :rolleyes:

Just ask George Allen how hard it is...
In my opinion, people weren't able to forgive and forget in Allen's case because there was a strong perception that he never matured. Anyway, he came away with almost half of the vote, so it's not like he got slammed.

[Liberty]

I am not buying the bs you're selling me War Paint. It's ok to make mistakes just admit it. Barak Obama had the balls the admit his mistakes. You can learn something from him.

[War Paint]

I am not buying the bs you're selling me War Paint. It's ok to make mistakes just admit it. Barak Obama had the balls the admit his mistakes. You can learn something from him.


What mistakes are you refering to? Did I make a wrong assumption of him being pro-abortion? In fact, he's pro-partial birth abortion. That is an issue important to me. He can smile real big and dance around situations that will challenge him, but I can see right through that BS. He's too scared to be interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. Now before you liberals go on a Bill O'Reilly rant, just ask yourselves this. "Why is he avoiding Bill O'Reilly?" Can't Obama handle tough questions? He was on Oprah hitting soft balls, but he's too scared of O'Reilly. If he is this brilliant leader, shouldn't he be able to handle Bill?

[War Paint]

We all know that race is one factor that connects the two men, and nobody is racist for pointing that out. Only a few posts after you try to imply Liberty is racist, you even make the connection yourself, after originally denying that had anything to do with your thinking. :rolleyes:


In my opinion, people weren't able to forgive and forget in Allen's case because there was a strong perception that he never matured. Anyway, he came away with almost half of the vote, so it's not like he got slammed.


Oh I'm sorry. We aren't allowed to say "two black men" now?

I didn't call Liberty a racist. I suggested that he plays the race card. However, I think he doesn't like white men.

[dfitzo53]

Oh I'm sorry. We aren't allowed to say "two black men" now?
You either didn't read my post or didn't understand it. I called you a hypocrite, not a racist.

[Liberty]

What mistakes are you refering to? Did I make a wrong assumption of him being pro-abortion? In fact, he's pro-partial birth abortion. That is an issue important to me. He can smile real big and dance around situations that will challenge him, but I can see right through that BS. He's too scared to be interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. Now before you liberals go on a Bill O'Reilly rant, just ask yourselves this. "Why is he avoiding Bill O'Reilly?" Can't Obama handle tough questions? He was on Oprah hitting soft balls, but he's too scared of O'Reilly. If he is this brilliant leader, shouldn't he be able to handle Bill?

Do Jesse Jackson and Barak Obama have anything in common? Yes they are both somewhat liberal. However Barak Obama and Jesse Jackson have enough different about their background, how they conduct themselves etc that you are just inviting comments like mine. Seriously how many people are in favor of "choice" about half the country, it is a very poor way to classify someone. Another reason I think you are full of BS.

You are just mad you got called out on your bs.

Oh and why do you think I dont like white people? I didn't even know you were white, or that I didn't like you

EDIT: oh you are also Bill O'Reilly sycophant. That must suck for you

[rincewind]

Oh I'm sorry. We aren't allowed to say "two black men" now?

I didn't call Liberty a racist. I suggested that he plays the race card. However, I think he doesn't like white men.



Liberty isn't white? :whoknows:

[War Paint]

You either didn't read my post or didn't understand it. I called you a hypocrite, not a racist.

ditso53, you need a lesson in reading comprehension. Liberty made the idiotic statement about me not liking Obama because he's black. Bye Bye. Thanks for playing. Now if Obama held Alan Keyes views, I would like him.

If Barack Obama was of middle east descent, the democrats wouldn't be putting him on a pedestal because that would be bad politics. It's true and you know it.

[Liberty]

Wrong

I said two things they have in common are that he is black and you don't like either of them
He is black and War Paint doesn't like him

you later said this proving me correct

Geez... it's obvious why I compared them. They both are pro-abortion, liberal, two black men that have or had interest in running for president, both criticize the war but don't offer solutions, etc...

I didn't realize you needed to be spoon fed.

[War Paint]

Do Jesse Jackson and Barak Obama have anything in common? Yes they are both somewhat liberal. However Barak Obama and Jesse Jackson have enough different about their background, how they conduct themselves etc that you are just inviting comments like mine. Seriously how many people are in favor of "choice" about half the country, it is a very poor way to classify someone. Another reason I think you are full of BS.

You are just mad you got called out on your bs.

Oh and why do you think I dont like white people? I didn't even know you were white, or that I didn't like you

EDIT: oh you are also Bill O'Reilly sycophant. That must suck for you

Yeah, I knew you couldn't defend Obama's cowardness in avoiding O'Reilly.

[War Paint]

Wrong

I said two things they have in common are that he is black and you don't like either of them


you later said this proving me correct

Liberty, how in the hell does that prove your point? I made a comparsion of two black men and stated why I didn't like Obama and Jackson, due to their liberal views. You said that I didn't like Obama because he's black. You are just trying to be annoying like you always are in these type of threads.

[Liberty]

You said that I didn't like Obama because he's black. You are just trying to be annoying like you always are in these type of threads.

I said you didn't like Jesse Jackson and Barak Obama (1) and that they were also black (2).

That is two things they have in common.

[Liberty]

Yeah, I knew you couldn't defend Obama's cowardness in avoiding O'Reilly.

Yeah sure that's it. :rolleyes:

[codeorama]

Well his cocaine was probably colombian...


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[War Paint]

I said you didn't like Jesse Jackson and Barak Obama (1) and that they were also black (2).

That is two things they have in common.

No. You said

He is black and War Paint doesn't like him

[Buford]

Dude is a big time O'Reilly supporter.

Remember that time you got all upset because the President only spoke to friendly crowds and to friendly opinion journalists? Yeah, that was crazy. You were like "Bush is a coward, he's scared to take questions from real Americans. Meanwhile Cheney is even more scared that he only goes on military bases where you know he can't be booed".

That was so awesome how you did that. Then you blasted Bush during the 04 election season for not going on Al Frankens show. That was rad too.

[War Paint]

Yeah sure that's it. :rolleyes:


Well, defend why he won't show up on O'Reilly.

[Liberty]

No. You said

Yes I did say that. Does the conjuction "and" somehow confuse you?

[Buford]

Well, defend why he won't show up on O'Reilly.


Cause O'Reilly sucks.

Being called out by him doesn't mean he's a coward. It means he's smart enough to know that O'Reilly is a joke now with his own SNL skits dedicated to his rubbish. Jeez, the guy even lies about his ratings. Like they are publically posted.

[Duckus]

Yeah, I knew you couldn't defend Obama's cowardness in avoiding O'Reilly.

I caught a segment of Bill O’Reilly’s show last night and it was a body language expert giving her expert opinion on the truth behind the Donald Trump and Rosie fight and Bill Parcels/TO situation. Hard hitting stuff…..

Keep fighting that battle against those secular progressives hell bent on world domination.

[Liberty]

Well, defend why he won't show up on O'Reilly.

O'Reilly is a jackass that likes to hear the sound of his own terrible voice who has a knack for either misunderstanding positions or battling straw men his sets up. Because he does that his show isn't conducive to intellectual discussion only to people yelling at each other.

Either way, why the hell would he have to go on his show? He is Bill O'Relly no one gives a ****. At least no one that matters.

[War Paint]

Cause O'Reilly sucks.

Being called out by him doesn't mean he's a coward. It means he's smart enough to know that O'Reilly is a joke now with his own SNL skits dedicated to his rubbish. Jeez, the guy even lies about his ratings. Like they are publically posted.


LOL. Great answer.

[War Paint]

If O'Reilly is this big joke, shouldn't the high and mighty Obama be able to handle himself?

[War Paint]

I guess Obama only feels comfortable on Oprah, where he tries getting the women's vote.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

It's like people who watch O'Reilly are in a cult or something. Weird stuff.

[Duckus]

I guess Obama only feels comfortable on Oprah, where he tries getting the women's vote.

That’s because he is smart and you are not. Who does he need to like him in order to win the Democratic Primary election? Does he need the votes of the people who watch Bill O’Rielly’s show (tons of liberals I am sure) or Oprah. Also take into consideration that he will need to beat Hillary Clinton, a woman, who clearly will have strong female support.

So, let us recap, if his goal is to be President of the United States he needs to win the Dem’s primary. So he probably wants to appeal to democrat women who are Hillary’s base. Who watches Oprah…..hmmmmm…..

See where we are going with this. The reason he is on Oprah is because he understands what votes will get him to the next round.

If he is the NATIONAL candidate then he might go on Fox News and attempt to gain the middle of the country. Right now he does not need it and in fact it would only hurt his chances.

[EersSkins05]

Another great point, Duckus.

Some key points re: his Oprah gig:

1) Oprah is one of the most powerful media forces in the world, like it or not. She really likes him. He'd be a fool to pass up the chance to go on her show and be praised for a solid hour.

2) Every politician in America wants to be on that show, ESPECIALLY politicians with Presidential ambitions.

3) He IS still selling a book, you know.

[jbooma]

Who said the GOP is behind this>? I bet the DNC leaked this to derail him early.

Gotta love politics.

It was Clinton :laugh:

[War Paint]

That’s because he is smart and you are not. Who does he need to like him in order to win the Democratic Primary election? Does he need the votes of the people who watch Bill O’Rielly’s show (tons of liberals I am sure) or Oprah. Also take into consideration that he will need to beat Hillary Clinton, a woman, who clearly will have strong female support.

So, let us recap, if his goal is to be President of the United States he needs to win the Dem’s primary. So he probably wants to appeal to democrat women who are Hillary’s base. Who watches Oprah…..hmmmmm…..

See where we are going with this. The reason he is on Oprah is because he understands what votes will get him to the next round.

If he is the NATIONAL candidate then he might go on Fox News and attempt to gain the middle of the country. Right now he does not need it and in fact it would only hurt his chances.

Like I said before, I hope the crackhead is the democratic presidential candidate.

[skinsfan07]

So in other words, he is honest about his past - unlike some people sitting in the Oval Office today?

George W. Bush..............................I mean.......:doh:

I was still young when I quit drinking alcohol (says Bush at age 40 something).
Also never admitted to using cocaine among other drugs.

[Zen-like Todd]

Like I said before, I hope the crackhead is the democratic presidential candidate.

We already have an alchoholic crackhead for president, or don't you pay attention?

[skinsfan07]

Regardless of his drug use, Obama does not have a chance in the upcoming election


LOL, yea I bet you think Hilary Clinton will win too. :doh:

[skinsfan07]

We already have an alchoholic crackhead for president, or don't you pay attention?

LOL, this guy just keeps setting himself up every time. He got owned earlier and all he could back it up with was " I hope this democratic crackead runs for president", completely forgetting that Bush is already an alcoholic and has used drugs, just not man enough to admit it.

[Cdowwe]

Who writes a memoir at age 34?

[Zen-like Todd]

Who writes a memoir at age 34?


The future president of the United States?

[War Paint]

LOL, this guy just keeps setting himself up every time. He got owned earlier and all he could back it up with was " I hope this democratic crackead runs for president", completely forgetting that Bush is already an alcoholic and has used drugs, just not man enough to admit it.

Hey retard, I said earlier that I could care a less about Obama riding the white horse.

[iheartskins]

Keep this civil gents. Thanks.

[redskins59]

LMAO, what a hilarious post. The biggest coke-snorter, not to mention an alcoholic, is the incumbent.
Of course Obama will not win the democratic primary. Why? Because
1. He's black. Of course most Whites are gonna say that they'll vote regardless of skin color, but when it comes to actually voting, some of them will only vote White. There are many Whites who believe this is a White-only country, I kid you not. Given that Whites are the majority in this country, a non-white candidate will have a hard time winning. And no, Condoleeza Rice will never win the republican nomination because she is black. Don't even go there.
2. His middle name is Hussein. He is no Muslim, but he'll be smeared as a rabid muslim fanatic.
3. His last name rhymes with Osama.

You all may think that my last two pointers are trivial, but trust me, they're not. Whoever wins the smear-game has the best chance of winning. Everybody knows that negative ads work like a charm.

[smalex41]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/

articles coming out now about his admitted marijuana and cocaine use during high school, college and law school. First candidate in US history to admit to it..

http://web.mac.com/citywifi/iWeb/Site/obama%20cocaine_files/obama-cocaine.jpg I appreciate his honesty, Take into consideration the fact that most of our presidents have shown deficiencies in their thought processes. Who's perfect ?

[Hooper]

This might have traction -- had he not admitted it forever ago.

Dubya has been dancing around the coke question for years now. Hey, maybe he doesn't remember because he was drunk all the time. Does Obama have a DUI? Bush has at least one and Cheney has two (add his accidental shooting and wow, the man is just a menace). Don't hear AFC talking about that ever.

Personally, I don't think he has a chance. But crazier things have happened. I see the appeal -- on the surface level, which is all much of the country seems to care about, he comes off very well. Intelligent, well-spoken, rational -- it would be a nice change (again, just on the surface level).

Hillary -- please God, no. The last thing we need is someone even more divisive than idiot boy.

I'm curious to see who the big republican candidates turn out to be. McCain will be what, 73 next year?

[Midnight Judges]

LOL, this guy just keeps setting himself up every time. He got owned earlier and all he could back it up with was " I hope this democratic crackead runs for president", completely forgetting that Bush is already an alcoholic and has used drugs, just not man enough to admit it.

Dubya did admit it in a private phone call that he didn't know was being recorded.


On the tapes, Bush discussed strategies for stonewalling questions about past marijuana use.

"Do you want your little kid, to say, 'Hey daddy, President Bush tried marijuana; I think I will?'" said Bush on the tapes. "That's the message we've been sending out. I wouldn't answer the marijuana question."

In a taped segment played on "Good Morning America," Bush also addressed how he would deal with questions about cocaine use.

"The cocaine thing, let me tell you my strategy on that," Bush said on the tape. "Rather than saying no … I think it's time for someone to draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponent,' and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind of crap to go on."



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=516740&page=1

[whlinder]

2. His middle name is Hussein. He is no Muslim, but he'll be smeared as a rabid muslim fanatic.
3. His first name rhymes with Osama.

You all may think that my last two pointers are trivial, but trust me, they're not. Whoever wins the smear-game has the best chance of winning. Everybody knows that negative ads work like a charm.
Exactly. Which is why all these neo-cons insist on spelling out his entire name. I'd like to see all the threads about Hillary where she is referred to as "Hillary Rodham" Clinton, or about McCain with his middle name, or any other potential Presidential candidate.

It's fear-mongering, it's obvious, and it's dispicable.

[Stuckinphilly1]

There probably aren't too many people today running for office that can say they have never at least tried drugs.

That said, the guy is still an empty suit I'd rather an empty suit than the empty head w/have in office now:doh: .

[Stuckinphilly1]

LMAO, what a hilarious post. The biggest coke-snorter, not to mention an alcoholic, is the incumbent.
Of course Obama will not win the democratic primary. Why? Because
1. He's black. Of course most Whites are gonna say that they'll vote regardless of skin color, but when it comes to actually voting, some of them will only vote White. There are many Whites who believe this is a White-only country, I kid you not. Given that Whites are the majority in this country, a non-white candidate will have a hard time winning. And no, Condoleeza Rice will never win the republican nomination because she is black. Don't even go there.
2. His middle name is Hussein. He is no Muslim, but he'll be smeared as a rabid muslim fanatic.
3. His first name rhymes with Osama.

You all may think that my last two pointers are trivial, but trust me, they're not. Whoever wins the smear-game has the best chance of winning. Everybody knows that negative ads work like a charm.

What a DAM SHAME that....

1. You think this way.

2. You are probably right.

I'm white, guessing your black-if I'm wrong I aplaud your candidness. I don't understand WHY any white or black person under 40 (being conservative) still think race is such a big issue. Maybe since I live in the Philly area with a huge cultural mix that I'm not as bias but in the first reason you give shows that YOUR playing a race card. I can understand OLDER blacks and whites being prejudice(sp???) but not people in my generation and younger. My Dad is 66, would I call him a bigot no, a little racist absolutely. Of course I've heard the N word used by him, and plenty of other whites, in a dergatory sense but that doesn't mean I need to think that way. I'm sure you've heard derogatory things said about whites...but it doesn't me YOU have to think that way.

The WORLD has changed completely since my Father's generation, so WHY CAN'T OUR COUNTRY!!! It's a crying shame to everyone that died on 9/11 ALL THE SERVICE MEM AND WOMEN (black, white, hispanic, asia) that this COUNTRY can't come to gripes that WE are the melting pot of the World. Men DIED to give us our Freedoms....now women are too, in a fight to give other Countries the same freedoms.

If there was ONE THING that we should've learned on 9/11 is that this is NOW a Country so diverse in ethnicity that the color of your skin shouldn't make a difference. When I watched the news I didn't see XXX number of white people were killed, XXX number of black people were killed. But you did here XXX number of ______ insert Country.

I know the color of your skin might be black but YOU ARE AN AMERICAN.
I know the color of my skin is white but I AM AN AMERICAN.

Once we can get the old white men that are prejudice out of office and big business than maybe things in this Country can change.

Not trying to attack you Redskins59 but your line of thinking. Both races are prejudice and it's getting on my f-in nerves. If we were sitting next to each other at Fed-Ex Field beating the **** out of the Cowboys in the NFC Conference Championship you'd probably be the second person I'd hug....my wife 1st then whatever Redskin fan is sitting next to me regardless of color. My point being is that race doesn't play into many things in our lives, it needs to STOP being such a point in politics...then, and maybe only then will race stop being a prominent issue in places it doesn't belong....Like racial profiling on the NJ Turnpike, maybe we can lose the phrase DWB..... everyone ask themselves this question....

If you're white and happen to walk down a dark alley seeing a black guy walking towards you---are you going to "think something"???

If you're a black guy walking down a dark alley and see a white guy walking towards you-----are going to think "the white guy is 'thinking something'"???

Frankly, I think the Country is lacking a Strong Black Leader, since racism still does exist, to erge blacks to get out and VOTE!!!! Stop the white stronghold in politics and make a difference. Then maybe we can see some change and realize again, must of us were all BORN an AMERICAN and we'll all die an AMERICAN.

I'll get off my soapbox now, sorry for the long post but I erge everyone to stop looking at the color of a person's skin but rather what's under it. Let's let Redskins Nation be the foundation for a better America for our children then it was for our parents-even us.

I leave everyone with one last thought....maybe if we all just start ****ing each other so the Country turns brown...

Redskin59 :cheers:

[Midnight Judges]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?

[Zguy28]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?Maybe he's from Bowie, MD? :whoknows:

Sorry, that was a bad joke. I'll probably be labeled a racist now. :(

[Midnight Judges]

Maybe he's from Bowie, MD? :whoknows:

Sorry, that was a bad joke. I'll probably be labeled a racist now. :(

:laugh: Nah it was funny.

[skinsfan07]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?

bingo.

[Zen-like Todd]

Exactly. Which is why all these neo-cons insist on spelling out his entire name. I'd like to see all the threads about Hillary where she is referred to as "Hillary Rodham" Clinton, or about McCain with his middle name, or any other potential Presidential candidate.

It's fear-mongering, it's obvious, and it's dispicable.


Um, it's not the neo-cons. They are extremely small in number in the Republican party. It's the evangelical component that creates the most concern, along with the basic kneejerkers (who also exist in the democratic party, they just kneejerk for different things). It's a very bad idea to use the word neocon as a proxy for republicans, because it has a fairly specific meaning.

[Zen-like Todd]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?


Oh stop it. Just stop it. What an intellectually lazy argument. Argue things on their merits, not based on "You're too young/old/not the right gender/religion/have the wrong color skin" to express an opinion on this matter. You're better than that dude, I know you are.

[Liberty]

I think by starting this thread AFC actually got more support for Obama. I know that I didn't really like him until I read this thread and decided to learn more about him.

[Midnight Judges]

Oh stop it. Just stop it. What an intellectually lazy argument. Argue things on their merits, not based on "You're too young/old/not the right gender/religion/have the wrong color skin" to express an opinion on this matter. You're better than that dude, I know you are.

Yeah, you're right that is not a sound argument. My opinion is on this subject is founded on merits and even studies.

[PokerPacker]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?
well that's a racist comment if i've ever seen one.

[redskins59]

What a DAM SHAME that....

1. You think this way.

2. You are probably right.



Actually, I'm not black. Let me clarify myself. I do not think that American blacks care much for Obama either, given that he's not an authentic "African American" or "black", whichever is the PC word. Now, why do I say that? For one, his dad happens to be a Kenyan. Therefore, he doesn't share the whole civil rights/slavery thing that most blacks in America went through. However, if Obama is indeed nominated, most blacks would vote for him in a heartbeat because he's a democrat. So, if you pit Condoleeza Rice(which is not going to happen because Republicans will never nominate a black person to represent them. I mean, this is the same party which embraced dixiecrats, aka ex-Southern democrats after the civil rights movement. Oh, and by the way, don't use the Byrd argument against me. He is one of those dixiecrats who forgot to switch sides. I don't like this ex-kkk member), who is an "authentic" black, but who is seen as a traitor, against Obama, for example, I would guess that black Americans would vote for Obama in a heartbeat. But who knows how things will pan out?
Anywho, I fully believe you when you say that you are not a racist. I mean, you are a young guy, like I am, and most of us are more open-minded than older people. Not saying that all young people have zero bigotry though, mind you. But the reason why I felt that Obama would have a hard time winning is because of people like your dad, who you admitted is slightly a racist(no offense). As I have implied in my previous post, there are Whites out there who will vote against someone if the skin-color is wrong. Even 1% of 300 million is equal to 3 million. That's a pretty big number, you see. Furthermore, there are tons and tons of disenchanted White youths who feel cheated because of Affirmative Action(I for one support Affirmative Action..there are certain ethnic groups which, however, should not be included under Affirmative Action though).

Having said that, I do feel that Al Sharpton is nuts. I like him though. He's a funny guy. He kicks ass. But he's a tad crazy.

Do you all realize how color-conscious this country is? That's expected given the fact that people of all backgrounds are found in America. This is the most color-conscious country in the world, bar none.

[Pedro]

I must admit I don't get the whole 'African American' thing. I don't see white people referred to as 'European American' and they're all from immigrant stock too. Should it not be that people who are American are referred to as 'American'? I think it's devisive but that could just be me.

That being said Obama has displayed the ability to string a few sentences together and displays an ability to empathise with different points of view to his own. That's a good step right there.

As someone who is affected by his Prime Minister being your President's '*****' I'm all for change in your country and mine. The massive decline in civil liberties my country (and yours) has undergone in the name of 'freedom and democracy' is worrying...

[Stuckinphilly1]

If you are white, it's not your place to say whether or not racism is a big deal anymore. How could you possibly know until you walk a mile in a minorities shoes?

Midnight, I don't know if I was shown as logged in or not, if I was I haven't been at my computer all day and I'm just glancing over the following posts now.

Since I was wrong on 59's color I'll stop ASSuming someone's white or black by what they post and I admire his candidness being white and saying a black guy won't win an election. I think he's 100% right that whites will SAY color wouldn't play a part but once the curtain closes.......

I hear what you're saying BUT you said "walk a mile in a minorities shoes?" Well even though I'm white, I've been the minority in plenty of situations. Do I know what it was like to be treated as a slave no, DO YOU???? I've worked in both Mondomin (sp???) and East Point Malls in Baltimore, one of a very few whites to work in a mall where even Santa Claus is black. So I know what reverse-discrimination feels like, if I had to go through life like that IN THESE TIMES, then sure I'd probably have a prejudice against blacks because of the way I was treated JUST because I was white.

I've worked in sales where a black customer would come in and I'd ask if they needed help...they'd say no and walk over to the black salesman that was available.

The point of my whole post was in the very beginning, where I said it was sad that 59 thought that way and that it's sad that he's probably right.

If you read thru the whole post how couldn't you see that I'm against racism and that I feel like it's OUR GENERATION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT AN END TO IT. We can vote now, how many 18-25 year old blacks do you know that vote???? Do you vote???? The last election was the 1st time I did and I probably wouldn't again until there is a black canidate-that qualifies for position....the reason why, to me it's like voting for the smaller foot in my azz. Our government needs TO CHANGE...it won't until we get the rich white old men out of office and have either someone that was brought up in a lower to middle class household (John Edwards) or a minority.

I understand you're point, I really do, but you have to look deeper into mine to get a real sense of where I'm coming from. I guess that's why my posts are so dam long...... I'm going to copy this and PM you on it to be sure you get to read it and urge you to re-read my original post in this thread. Just because generations of minorities suffered HORRIBLE things hundreds of years ago and still have to deal with racism now doesn't mean our Country can't change, it NEEDS TO!!!! Again, if 9/11 taught us anything, it should be that we all die as Americans...not white or black but Americans.

And again, I'm all for the notion that we all just start ****ing so that everyone is just brown!!!

[Midnight Judges]

well that's a racist comment if i've ever seen one.

I don't agree with you that is was a racist comment but I don't think I phrased that very well. It came across really dumb but it applies in a certain context that I am too lazy to ellaborate on

[DeanCollins]

Yes but did he inhale? :laugh:

I think with cocaine, it's swallow :laugh:

[DeanCollins]

"The cocaine thing, let me tell you my strategy on that," Bush said on the tape. "Rather than saying no … I think it's time for someone to draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponent,' and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind of crap to go on."


That's what Clinton should've said about his BJ

[LApunkrocker72]

Obama is definitely still more fit to lead the country than the current bozo in the White House.

Bush is the worst president ever. He shouldn't even be in the White House because he got through crooked means in both 2000 and 2004. He needs to be impeached.

[Om]

I commented to a friend a year or so ago that Obama was a guy to watch--but I erred in also telling him there was no way Barak would let himself get drawn in to the conversation as a potential candidate in '08.

I was utterly convinced he and his handlers would do a good job of getting his name "out there," but would do it with the clear intent of building a resume for at least another four years before throwing his hat in the ring.

I think he's a very promising young politician and a potential future president, but it's just too soon. Whether it was intentional or not, my sense is he's allowed himself to become a flavor of the month and runs the risk of doing potentially permanent damage to what could have been a seminal candidacy in four or eight years.

[Zguy28]

I must admit I don't get the whole 'African American' thing. I don't see white people referred to as 'European American' and they're all from immigrant stock too. Should it not be that people who are American are referred to as 'American'? I think it's devisive but that could just be me.I know. What happened to the 60's dream of a "color-blind world"? In today's PC age the word race has been replaced with culture by the racists of the world. Can you imagine a parade to celebrate the differences in the black race and the white race? What a riot that would probably cause. But celebrating and comparing differences in cultures is called racial sensitivity.

Again, what happened to the color-blind world? :2cents:

[Pedro]

Again, what happened to the color-blind world? :2cents:

Ignorance.

[DjTj]

I know. What happened to the 60's dream of a "color-blind world"? In today's PC age the word race has been replaced with culture by the racists of the world. Can you imagine a parade to celebrate the differences in the black race and the white race? What a riot that would probably cause. But celebrating and comparing differences in cultures is called racial sensitivity.

Again, what happened to the color-blind world? :2cents:Not ignorance, but reality. Just like world peace, free love, and other 60's mantras, the color-blind world was an idealistic dream that likely will never come to fruition.

The truth is that people are not blind, and there are cultural differences that are highly correlated with racial divisions. Forced blindness is probably not a viable solution, but sensitivity and understanding are more achievable goals.

[ironmic]

Regardless of his drug use, Obama does not have a chance in the upcoming election
Of course he doesn't! maybe some of you didn't realize that 1. he is BLACK and 2nd. he has an Islamic name............just being honest....there is a whole bunch of white folk that vote in this country.....YEE HAw!...WHEW!.............feel me :2cents:

[Fred Jones]

I was thinking the same thing OM when Obama put his name in the ring. I think he should have waited another four years.

Concerning his drug use, it's sad. It's sad that he felt like he had to use an illegal controlled substance.

It's also funny to see all the hypocrite Republicans commenting. The current President drank and used more drugs than Obama ever did.

[Liberty]

If a Dem wins this election he would have to wait 8 years and he won't be as appealing

[Ignatius J.]

Oh liberty.... he would have to wait 8 years. Homonyms aren't synonyms...

[Liberty]

dizzam......

[Stuckinphilly1]

Not ignorance, but reality. Just like world peace, free love, and other 60's mantras, the color-blind world was an idealistic dream that likely will never come to fruition.

The truth is that people are not blind, and there are cultural differences that are highly correlated with racial divisions. Forced blindness is probably not a viable solution, but sensitivity and understanding are more achievable goals.

This is what's sad with this GENERATION. Why can't WE be the ones to end it???

[DjTj]

This is what's sad with this GENERATION. Why can't WE be the ones to end it???End what? War? Poverty? Racism?

I think it's unrealistic to think we could ever completely eliminate those things, but we can certainly do things to reduce their impact. And (just to stay on topic i think Obama would agree that) the solution is not to be blind to to violence, economics, or race - closing your eyes never solves any problems.

[Ignatius J.]

To those who think obama shouldn't run this time around, I can't help but wonder what they must assume obama's reasons for running are. I agree he would be a better president later in his life, but that is simply not a question worth asking. The only important question is, who is the best person out there right now, and I think in that respect the answer is clear. There is no better candidate, and therefore, he should run.

Patience is well and good, but in this instance I think we can see that we as a nation are in quite the pickle. I think the war on terror is being bungled in the worst ways. I think that we aren't paying enough attention to what's happening in somalia. I think we are in a world of hurt when it comes to our energy, and for all these reasons I think we need a leader now. If you think obama should wait, somewhere in there I think you are implicitly saying that right now, we don't need the best as president. Waiting may be a luxury I'm not sure we have. Who knows, maybe I'm just being dramatic... maybe DjTj was right... :)

[dfitzo53]

I know. What happened to the 60's dream of a "color-blind world"? In today's PC age the word race has been replaced with culture by the racists of the world. Can you imagine a parade to celebrate the differences in the black race and the white race? What a riot that would probably cause. But celebrating and comparing differences in cultures is called racial sensitivity.

Again, what happened to the color-blind world? :2cents:
There are difference in cultures, and there's nothing wrong with that. Now, it's overly simplistic to distill it down to "black culture" and "white culture," but you're not really saying it's bad to celebrate and compare different cultures are you?

Not ignorance, but reality. Just like world peace, free love, and other 60's mantras, the color-blind world was an idealistic dream that likely will never come to fruition.

The truth is that people are not blind, and there are cultural differences that are highly correlated with racial divisions. Forced blindness is probably not a viable solution, but sensitivity and understanding are more achievable goals.
Well said as usual, DjTj.

End what? War? Poverty? Racism?

I think it's unrealistic to think we could ever completely eliminate those things, but we can certainly do things to reduce their impact. And (just to stay on topic i think Obama would agree that) the solution is not to be blind to to violence, economics, or race - closing your eyes never solves any problems.
Racism comes in part from a very common human suspicion of "the other." Just about every society has its own racial system, whether it's as simple as "us" vs. "them" or something as complicated (although I wouldn't use the word sophisticated) and intimately intertwined with the legal system as ours. People automatically place things, including other people, into categories to make them easier to manage.

I suppose my point here is piggy-backing on what DjTj said. Racism, or at the very least an affinity for "sameness" is as much a part of the human experience as anything else.

[akorn22]

Cocaine use or not. Obama is simply a horrible candidate for presidency. the issues he supports are just generic democrat party issues. He has no plans, no policy, and no experience. Also he has not accomplished any significant political policies. He is soft, and inexperienced. Hardly a person who is ready to lead a country. I sure hope he isn;t the democratic nominee for 08 (not that I will be voting democrat anyway).

If I was the only person in america and had to vote for either Obama or H. Clinton, i would prolly shoot myself first.

[mboyd784]

Who does cocaine in law school? It wasn't college, but LAW SCHOOL... we're talkin' about LAW SCHOOL... this isn't college, but LAW SCHOOL.... LAW SCHOOL man...

We're not talkin' bout the presidency. I'm the NBA MVP and you're talkin' bout LAW SCHOOL.

[mboyd784]

I commented to a friend a year or so ago that Obama was a guy to watch--but I erred in also telling him there was no way Barak would let himself get drawn in to the conversation as a potential candidate in '08.

I was utterly convinced he and his handlers would do a good job of getting his name "out there," but would do it with the clear intent of building a resume for at least another four years before throwing his hat in the ring.

I think he's a very promising young politician and a potential future president, but it's just too soon. Whether it was intentional or not, my sense is he's allowed himself to become a flavor of the month and runs the risk of doing potentially permanent damage to what could have been a seminal candidacy in four or eight years.

After reading this "post", I felt compelled to eat a Vanilla Ice Cream/American Cheese/Wonder Bread sandwich. I ate it in the middle of the road and felt quite insightful while doing so.

[Pedro]

I don't believe that the term 'colour blind' as used in this thread is suggesting you don't see colour but that it has no bearing on your thoughts and actions toward that person i.e. you treat everyone with respect until you get to know them better then you treat them as they show they deserve to be treated.

Be that treating a person well, slapping them upside the head or killing them etc.

Easy to do in a forum discussion but harder to put into practise IRL.

[Om]

To those who think obama shouldn't run this time around, I can't help but wonder what they must assume obama's reasons for running are. I agree he would be a better president later in his life, but that is simply not a question worth asking. The only important question is, who is the best person out there right now, and I think in that respect the answer is clear. There is no better candidate, and therefore, he should run.

Patience is well and good, but in this instance I think we can see that we as a nation are in quite the pickle. I think the war on terror is being bungled in the worst ways. I think that we aren't paying enough attention to what's happening in somalia. I think we are in a world of hurt when it comes to our energy, and for all these reasons I think we need a leader now. If you think obama should wait, somewhere in there I think you are implicitly saying that right now, we don't need the best as president. Waiting may be a luxury I'm not sure we have. Who knows, maybe I'm just being dramatic... maybe DjTj was right... :)
Comes down to what each of us is looking for in a president. We all have different "checklists" and take different roads to our decisions. I have a long list of them I fuse over time into a gut feeling about a guy.

Just ONE those myriad factors I look at is a candidate's mileage and resume. Not mileage in terms of years, but more in terms of real-world experience in generalm and experience in the realities of both domestic and international politics. I believe Barak has been a state legislator and a two-year junior senator.

My president, as well as dealing with the daily minefield of domestic issues, is also going to sit down with world leaders with decades of experience in dealing with the real world and make decisions that affect all of humanity. I like my president to be able to take his seat beside those men and women and not be the least experienced man in the room. There is simply no shortcut to experience.

US Presidents are nothing less than the most powerful human beings on the planet in their time in office. I like them not to be the one person everyone else in the room knows is the babe in the woods of the group.

That's a ham-handed way of trying to make a subtle argument, but I figure no one really wants to read a position paper here ... so I'll leave it at that and let people extrapolate as they will.

After reading this "post", I felt compelled to eat a Vanilla Ice Cream/American Cheese/Wonder Bread sandwich. I ate it in the middle of the road and felt quite insightful while doing so.
Interesting. Care to repeat that without the symbolism so I'll know which of the many interpretations I could make from it is the right one before deciding whether and how to respond. :)

[georgiaredskin2]

If I was the only person in america and had to vote for either Obama or H. Clinton, i would prolly shoot myself first.
Well if you were the only person in America, Obama and Clinton wouldn't be there to vote for, would they? ;)

[Thiebear]

At this point in time I like him...
He's new and a long resume to me means corruption and giving up your principles...
I like Lieberman and McCain more at this time though also..

[Liberty]

You like McCain despite being a proven liar?

[akorn22]

Well if you were the only person in America, Obama and Clinton wouldn't be there to vote for, would they? ;)

haha true that. I guess i would be president then.