Wizard's Summer League starts tonight!

[finkle22281]

I can't wait to see the summer league team play! I'd like to see Andray Blatche score 30 points and have 15 boards....He should at least score 20!

Hopefully Nick Young will tear it up as well as Dmac and McGee.

I predict Young will lead the Wizards in scoring tonight

Blatche will lead the team in blocks

Dmac will lead the team in rebounds

Pesh will lead the team in 3 Pointers attempted

Not sure who will lead the team in assists?

[pedigroove]

I'm excited as well. The first game is against the Trail Blazers tonight at 8:00 pm on Comcast.

Oh and Dee Brown will lead the team in assists. I like our Summer League starting five of Brown, Young, McGuire, Blatche, and McGee.

Pesh has been nursing a sprained ankle so he might not play a lot.

I can't wait to see if Veremeenko is any good.

[finkle22281]

starting five of Brown, Young, McGuire, Blatche, and McGee.
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Is this what you want it to be, or what it is?

Sounds like a good starting line-up to me! Is Brown definitely playing? I can't wait to see McGee....I don't remember ever seeing him play in college, besides highlights before/during/after the draft.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Is this what you want it to be, or what it is?

That is the official starting line-up.

[finkle22281]

nice...I like it

[pedigroove]

This is from Ivan Carter's Wizards blog in the Washington Post:

-Speculative starting unit depending on the seriousness of Pech's injury: Brown and Young at guard, McGuire and Blatche at forward and McGee at center.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/

[Gary Clark Fan]

Are the games on tv? time and channel please

[twenty-eight]

Tonight @ 8pm on ComcastSportsNet

[BayouBrave86]

I think we have by far the most talented roster at the Summer League.

[the burgundy and gold]

so pumped for tonights game. I can't wait to see the starters play.

[skinsfanno9]

I hear Greg Oden has bowed out. That's a bummer. I really would have loved to see McGee go against him. Ah well, the game should be fun anyways.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

what do you mean greg oden bowed out? hes still injured?

[ACW]

Will Thomas from GMU got cut :mad:

[skinsfanno9]

what do you mean greg oden bowed out? hes still injured?

They say he's doing better but apparently Portland sees no point in rushing him to competition, so no - no Oden. :(

[skinsfanno9]

Will Thomas from GMU got cut :mad:

Yeah, that really blows. I knew he'd have a problem switching to SF though - he's pretty much a prototypical PF, although 3 inches too short.

I think Thomas is probably destined for Europe. But perhaps he can catch on in the D-League and can improve his ball handling and mid-range shooting. I really loved watching him at GMU, and would like to see him make it in the NBA some dya.

[ACW]

Yeah, that really blows. I knew he'd have a problem switching to SF though - he's pretty much a prototypical PF, although 3 inches too short.

I think Thomas is probably destined for Europe. But perhaps he can catch on in the D-League and can improve his ball handling and mid-range shooting. I really loved watching him at GMU, and would like to see him make it in the NBA some dya.Ditto. It's a shame. If will was 15-20 lbs. heavier, or 2-3 inches taller, he'd make a fine backup ala Millsap. Oh wll, he'll be fine overseas.

[the burgundy and gold]

games on now btw!

[Thinking Skins]

McGee is looking a bit hesitant. He's not challenging enough shots and not going up for enough rebounds.

[Thinking Skins]

And whoever is doing the screen text is horrible.

They had messed up the score once, counting a Portland fg as wizards points, and they just said that bayless was a wizards guard....exhausting.

[mojobo]

And whoever is doing the screen text is horrible.

They had messed up the score once, counting a Portland fg as wizards points, and they just said that bayless was a wizards guard....exhausting.
ya these games definitely arent made for tv, its more for the NBA TV internet thing so the quality isn't that great.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

One summer league game down and I'm prepared to call it now:

McGee is going to be a good player. Might take a couple of years but it will happen.

Feel free to blast me if it doesn't. I'm not worried though.

Oh and as far as Blatche looking more buff: Honestly the only difference I see is a shaved head.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Ugh. Blatche holds on to the ball we have a shot to win. Instead it flies out of his hand, straight to the opposing player (Bayless I believe), who then hits a layup while being fouled by Blatche. Then McGee drops the ****ing rebound on the missed FT. Ugh.

Damn McGee just drained a 3.

I'm telling you all Javale has talent. Pleasantly surprised. He's already, IMHO, just as good as Blatche is.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Oh and is Pech hurt or something? I don't recall seeing him at all tonight. Not a good sign if he can't even get burn in the ****ing Summer League.

[mojobo]

Oh and is Pech hurt or something? I don't recall seeing him at all tonight. Not a good sign if he can't even get burn in the ****ing Summer League.
I think they said hes injured, he'd definitely be in there if healthy.

[PapaDRoc]

I think they said hes injured, he'd definitely be in there if healthy.
Yea Ivan Carter reported something earlier about Pech being a gametime decision because of an injury.

The end of the 4th was very sloppy bball by the Wiz, but you gotta love the spot up three from McGee at the end. I'm not really sure what to take from these games, but its just cool seeing a bunch of the young guys playing ball. Plus we got to see the newest Wizard in action.

[twenty-eight]

Oh and as far as Blatche looking more buff: Honestly the only difference I see is a shaved head.

His arms and shoulders look bigger

edit: and I really enjoyed watching Dee Brown tonight

[the burgundy and gold]

not the most entertaining game to watch. Bayliss played really well. I'm not thrilled about any of the Wizards performances to be honest. I hope for a better showing next game.

[vegeta613]

One summer league game down and I'm prepared to call it now:

McGee is going to be a good player. Might take a couple of years but it will happen.

Feel free to blast me if it doesn't. I'm not worried though.

Oh and as far as Blatche looking more buff: Honestly the only difference I see is a shaved head.


McGee only had like 2 rebounds

If anyone remembers the Cavs series what exactly killed us again??

We don't need a Center who wants to spot up and shot 3 pointers

We need one who can rebound and defend

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

McGee only had like 2 rebounds

If anyone remembers the Cavs series what exactly killed us again??

We don't need a Center who wants to spot up and shot 3 pointers

We need one who can rebound and defend
Good thing he had 3 blocks.

Did you watch the game? Serious question. Cause he wasn't spotting up trying to drain 3's. He took a shot at one late in the game in transition when the team was trying to come from behind. And he made it. The rest of the game he was posting people up. He runs the court extremelly well for a 7-footer. He is huge. His arms are no joke. He was challenging shots all game. I was more than happy with what I saw.


He'll be a good player.



On a sidenote: LOL at Nick Young having 9 fouls.

[BayouBrave86]

Haha what in the hell, how did we lose this game? Hell, pure talent alone should get these guys wins throughout this summer league. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[finkle22281]

He's already, IMHO, just as good as Blatche is.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....so I'm not going to blast this statement.....but I don't think McGee is better than Blatche at anything....except maybe at not getting 5 stupid fouls called on him each game!

Blatche rebounds better, passes better, and shoots better.

[finkle22281]

Did you watch the game? Serious question. Cause he wasn't spotting up trying to drain 3's.


actually he spotted up for one at the very beginning of the game...also took another long shot that he missed....all in the first coulple minutes of the game. McGee needs to put on about 30 pounds of muscle and get another year and a half of experience before we see him coming off the bench getting regular playing time.

[LiveStrongSkins]

:laugh: Leave it to Young and Blatche to still be in foul trouble when you get 10. Honestly, it was refreshing to see the on the ball defense from Brown. Even though Bayless went over the top of him on a few shots, he didnt allow the type of penetration that plagues AD. He got his hands on passes and displayed good quickness. Nick Young still plays a little out of control as does Blatche. I agree with GACOLB, wheres this weight Blatche has put on?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....so I'm not going to blast this statement.....but I don't think McGee is better than Blatche at anything....except maybe at not getting 5 stupid fouls called on him each game!

Blatche rebounds better, passes better, and shoots better.
I'm sorry but I just don't get the infatuation that some have with Blatche. Like I said earlier, I like him as a person, think he's a pretty cool and funny dude and all, but I just don't see it. I exaggerated a little bit, maybe just a little, but honestly Blatche doesn't play big at all so, strictly from a big man POV, I'm not sure I don't take McGee over Blatche.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

:laugh: Leave it to Young and Blatche to still be in foul trouble when you get 10.

You mean Blatche picks up stupid fouls?

[finkle22281]

I'm sorry but I just don't get the infatuation that some have with Blatche. Like I said earlier, I like him as a person, think he's a pretty cool and funny dude and all, but I just don't see it. I exaggerated a little bit, maybe just a little, but honestly Blatche doesn't play big at all so, strictly from a big man POV, I'm not sure I don't take McGee over Blatche.

Blatche has improved ever year he has been in the league....w/ Etan coming back, Blatche will not be expected to will in as the reserve 5 roll....he will get to move back down to his natural position: 4. I'm not one of those people who are crowning blatche the next KG....but I think he will turn into a very solid player....once he gets a little more consistent, gets his game under control, and maturs a little more (you have to remember...he is a 21 year old kid....do you remember your maturity at 21?.....I remember mine) he will be a much better player.

.....I too, didn't see any weight difference in blatche....he needs to put on 20 pounds of solid muscle.

[LiveStrongSkins]

Here is my pet peeve about Blatche. I have never seen a player so long and tall, play below the rim. It is the most annoying thing about my two professional teams. Seeing a Redskin drive stall with a missed field goal doesnt even pale in comparison to a flat footed Blatche finger roll that gets thrown into the 4th row.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Blatche has improved ever year he has been in the league....w/ Etan coming back, Blatche will not be expected to will in as the reserve 5 roll....he will get to move back down to his natural position: 4. I'm not one of those people who are crowning blatche the next KG....but I think he will turn into a very solid player....once he gets a little more consistent, gets his game under control, and maturs a little more (you have to remember...he is a 21 year old kid....do you remember your maturity at 21?.....I remember mine) he will be a much better player.

.....I too, didn't see any weight difference in blatche....he needs to put on 20 pounds of solid muscle.
Eh I'm not holdin my breath. I understand the maturity thing (really, I do) but to me you either have it or you don't. I just don't see Blatche having IT. Not to be anything more than a role-player.

When I was 21 I didn't always have my priorities straight but whatever priority I did have I went full-throttle (unfortunately.)

I liked what I saw from McGee. I think McGee is more physically talented than Blatche from jumpstreet. Now whether he has the aforementioned IT remains to be seen. I do know that Blatche doesn't have it now and that he probably never will have it. (Again, unfortunately.)

Here is my pet peeve about Blatche. I have never seen a player so long and tall, play below the rim. It is the most annoying thing about my two professional teams. Seeing a Redskin drive stall with a missed field goal doesnt even pale in comparison to a flat footed Blatche finger roll that gets thrown into the 4th row.

Agree 100%. **** is beyond furstrating. I can't recall ever seeing Blatche dunk. I'm sure he has, but I don't remember it.

[Rocky21]

The Wiz played like they caught a bus from DC to Philly, caugfht a late flight to Los Angeles, rode on a bus from Cali to Vegas, dropped their bags at the hotel and then caught a bus to the arena. I'm not surprised they didn't play great playing together for the first time in a game after that.

McGee played like a rookie big man playing in his first pro game. He will learn how to transition his game hopefully. Blatche picks up the most meaningless fouls of any player I have seen in a long time but he and Young seemed to be playing well together. Dee Brown looks unpolished but promising. Could be another great find from EG.

[finkle22281]

Eh I'm not holdin my breath. I understand the maturity thing (really, I do) but to me you either have it or you don't. I just don't see Blatche having IT. Not to be anything more than a role-player.

When I was 21 I didn't always have my priorities straight but whatever priority I did have I went full-throttle (unfortunately.)

I liked what I saw from McGee. I think McGee is more physically talented than Blatche from jumpstreet. Now whether he has the aforementioned IT remains to be seen. I do know that Blatche doesn't have it now and that he probably never will have it.

All we need him to be is a role-player! We have Gil and Caron for years to come as our one-two punch....our pippen/jordan type combo.

We need Blatche to get his 10/10 each game and to block shots.

I actually think he will be more than that....but that's all we really need him to be.

McGee is too soft to me....and he can't shoot. Granted...this statement is all based on one summer league game....so it isn't worth much....that is what I see so far.

Deshawn Stevenson had very high expectations coming out of high school....he really didn't pan out to be what everyone expected. The past two years Deshawn has filled a very important role w/ the wizards.....being their best long range shooter, best defender, and brings the scrappy blue collar work ethic to the team....I think he is an extremely valuable piece (when he isn't calling out Lebron right before a playoff series w/ the cavs). So I still have hope for Blatche.

[Thinking Skins]

not the most entertaining game to watch. Bayliss played really well. I'm not thrilled about any of the Wizards performances to be honest. I hope for a better showing next game.

I wonder if that flight delay stuff had anything to do with their crappy performance. It was pretty bad watching them though.

[finkle22281]

On a different note....I was very pleased w/ Dee Brown....I would like him to take it to the whole more and pose some kind of scoring threat....this will just make him all the more dangerous if he can draw an extra defender inside before he kicks it out.

I was impressed with Elegar....who I hadn't even heard of.

I was disappointed Wallace didn't get more PT....he came into the game hit a long J, never committed a turnover and they pulled him out and never put him back in.

So we have 1 roster spot left pending McGee and Brown make the team.....I actually think we need to send either Pesh or McGee to the D league and sign a vet SF to play behind Butler.

[ACW]

Elegar...CAA alumnus (Drexel). Should've been Will Thomas instead :mad:

[finkle22281]

NBA.com has Elegar an alumni of Wake Forest and Jonathan Wallace an alumni of George Mason.....and they get payed for that ****!

those are pretty bad mistakes....I bet there are many many more through-out the website!

[earl]

McGee only had like 2 rebounds

If anyone remembers the Cavs series what exactly killed us again??

We don't need a Center who wants to spot up and shot 3 pointers

We need one who can rebound and defend


I totally agree. What the hell we are so close to taking the next step and we draft a project soft 7 footer who faded away and shot long jumpers against the odenless blazers.

I'm not impressed. its like we keep drafting the same guy. Pech, blatche and now mcgee. Soft big guys who think thier guards. I think he scored 2 or maybe 4 points in the paint. and 2 rebounds? pathetic. guys like darrell arthur, joey dorsey and richard hendrix were available for us and they are ready to contribute now. Don't get me wrong at 18 2 of the 3 mentioned would be a reach but damn we could have traded down and got what we needed. A tough defensive minded big guy. I mean right now our toughest players are a 6-8 SF in DOM and caaron butler. :doh:

Furthermore listening to EJ talk during the game and calling him a "project" that will take several years to develope really upset me. In true EJ fashion I bet Mcgee sees next to no time. Meanwhile other teams, including teams that advanced further then us continue to not only find gems in the later parts of the rounds but also give them opportunity to flourish immediately. think about the playoffs this year, stuckey, powe, al horford and others contributed and gained confidence and experience meanwhile nick young almost didn't even het to play in the playoffs.

other teams draft guys that can contribute, we treat the draft like it's worthless. We draft guys and trade them away for cash. We draft guys that have to wait a year overseas, or better yet never actually come over. We draft projects and potential and thats why the wiz will always be a project franchise and have potential to actually make some noise in the playoffs.

[Gary Clark Fan]

So the rookie wasnt that impressive?

[Clutch03]

I totally agree. What the hell we are so close to taking the next step and we draft a project soft 7 footer who faded away and shot long jumpers against the odenless blazers.

I'm not impressed. its like we keep drafting the same guy. Pech, blatche and now mcgee. Soft big guys who think thier guards. I think he scored 2 or maybe 4 points in the paint. and 2 rebounds? pathetic. guys like darrell arthur, joey dorsey and richard hendrix were available for us and they are ready to contribute now. Don't get me wrong at 18 2 of the 3 mentioned would be a reach but damn we could have traded down and got what we needed. A tough defensive minded big guy. I mean right now our toughest players are a 6-8 SF in DOM and caaron butler. :doh:

Furthermore listening to EJ talk during the game and calling him a "project" that will take several years to develope really upset me. In true EJ fashion I bet Mcgee sees next to no time. Meanwhile other teams, including teams that advanced further then us continue to not only find gems in the later parts of the rounds but also give them opportunity to flourish immediately. think about the playoffs this year, stuckey, powe, al horford and others contributed and gained confidence and experience meanwhile nick young almost didn't even het to play in the playoffs.

other teams draft guys that can contribute, we treat the draft like it's worthless. We draft guys and trade them away for cash. We draft guys that have to wait a year overseas, or better yet never actually come over. We draft projects and potential and thats why the wiz will always be a project franchise and have potential to actually make some noise in the playoffs.

Slow down there fella! Take a couple of deep breathes! Woosah Woosah .. .LOL! This was a summer league game, the first summer league game at that. It is a time for young players to work on there game and get one-on-one instruction from the coaches. This isn't the team that will take the court come November.

This is the first time these guys have all taken the court together. They don't know their rolls yet within the confines of Summer League play yet. I saw the same thing last year. Give them some games to adjust. And you are judging the McGee on his first game ever as a pro. It's just silly to say that he is soft after one game ... as silly as it would be for someone to say he will make the allstar team if he would have dropped 30 last night.

[ACW]

From the blog on the Wizards site, here is why one Summer League game means nothing: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/slbox_010719_wassea.html
Look at the 1st stat line :laugh::doh:

[Obibyn23]

Haha what in the hell, how did we lose this game? Hell, pure talent alone should get these guys wins throughout this summer league. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.


Did you hear about their travel adventure? I guess not. Lets just say they couldnt leave out of Baltimore the night before, so they took a bus to Philadelphia, then fianlly boarded a plan the day of the game, flew out to somewhere (I forget what airport but it wasnt in Vegas) had to take a bus somewhere for an hour, then get on another bus for another hour until they got to the arena an hour before the tip off...

With a travel plan like that, I wont hold it against them...besides...its not about wins and losses in these summer league camps.

[PapaDRoc]

From the blog on the Wizards site, here is why one Summer League game means nothing: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/slbox_010719_wassea.html
Look at the 1st stat line :laugh::doh:
:laugh: Exactly why it is hard to tell what you can take away from these summer league games. If I remember correctly Jarvis Hayes also consistently went off in SL, and he isn't even on the team anymore.

[Clutch03]

From the blog on the Wizards site, here is why one Summer League game means nothing: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/slbox_010719_wassea.html
Look at the 1st stat line :laugh::doh:


We need to pick this guy up!! Wait a minute I think I fell for this one before.

[Obibyn23]

From the blog on the Wizards site, here is why one Summer League game means nothing: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/slbox_010719_wassea.html
Look at the 1st stat line :laugh::doh:


LOL, I bet all Wizards fans (myself included) were ewwing and aaahhing after seeing that back then. Good point though..it just goes to show you how meaningless these games are.


There is little to no defense being played in these leagues, not to mention the offensive plays are vanilla at best, top that off with everyone is mostly playing for self...and you will get 27 point performances from Kwame Brown and 40 point performances from Donte Green.

After watching last nights game, I can honestly say I wont watch another one

[Rocky21]

What the hell we are so close to taking the next step and we draft a project soft 7 footer who faded away and shot long jumpers against the odenless blazers.

I'm not impressed. its like we keep drafting the same guy. Pech, blatche and now mcgee. Soft big guys who think thier guards. I think he scored 2 or maybe 4 points in the paint. and 2 rebounds? pathetic. guys like darrell arthur, joey dorsey and richard hendrix were available for us and they are ready to contribute now. Don't get me wrong at 18 2 of the 3 mentioned would be a reach but damn we could have traded down and got what we needed. A tough defensive minded big guy. I mean right now our toughest players are a 6-8 SF in DOM and caaron butler. :doh:

Furthermore listening to EJ talk during the game and calling him a "project" that will take several years to develope really upset me. In true EJ fashion I bet Mcgee sees next to no time. Meanwhile other teams, including teams that advanced further then us continue to not only find gems in the later parts of the rounds but also give them opportunity to flourish immediately. think about the playoffs this year, stuckey, powe, al horford and others contributed and gained confidence and experience meanwhile nick young almost didn't even het to play in the playoffs.

other teams draft guys that can contribute, we treat the draft like it's worthless. We draft guys and trade them away for cash. We draft guys that have to wait a year overseas, or better yet never actually come over. We draft projects and potential and thats why the wiz will always be a project franchise and have potential to actually make some noise in the playoffs.I nominate this post (the day after the first game of Summer League) for the Overreaction Hall of Fame.

[finkle22281]

I totally agree. What the hell we are so close to taking the next step and we draft a project soft 7 footer who faded away and shot long jumpers against the odenless blazers.

I'm not impressed. its like we keep drafting the same guy. Pech, blatche and now mcgee. Soft big guys who think thier guards. I think he scored 2 or maybe 4 points in the paint. and 2 rebounds? pathetic. guys like darrell arthur, joey dorsey and richard hendrix were available for us and they are ready to contribute now. Don't get me wrong at 18 2 of the 3 mentioned would be a reach but damn we could have traded down and got what we needed. A tough defensive minded big guy. I mean right now our toughest players are a 6-8 SF in DOM and caaron butler. :doh:

Furthermore listening to EJ talk during the game and calling him a "project" that will take several years to develope really upset me. In true EJ fashion I bet Mcgee sees next to no time. Meanwhile other teams, including teams that advanced further then us continue to not only find gems in the later parts of the rounds but also give them opportunity to flourish immediately. think about the playoffs this year, stuckey, powe, al horford and others contributed and gained confidence and experience meanwhile nick young almost didn't even het to play in the playoffs.

other teams draft guys that can contribute, we treat the draft like it's worthless. We draft guys and trade them away for cash. We draft guys that have to wait a year overseas, or better yet never actually come over. We draft projects and potential and thats why the wiz will always be a project franchise and have potential to actually make some noise in the playoffs.

I couldn't agree more! It's pretty sad that we only have one player in our starting 5 who we actually drafted!

I wanted us to draft Arthur after he fell so many spots.....we actually could have probably traded back into a spot to draft him....even after taking McGee with the 18th pick.

[Obibyn23]

I couldn't agree more! It's pretty sad that we only have one player in our starting 5 who we actually drafted!




Just curious...why do you think this is....sad? We havent had a lottery pick in years, so....why is this "soooo sad"?



Oh, and for the record, we have no one in our starting 5 that we actually drafted. We got Haywood in a trade with Orlando, and the rest were all FA

[finkle22281]

Just curious...why do you think this is....sad? We havent had a lottery pick in years, so....why is this "soooo sad"?

It's sad because the only draft pick in recent history I remember working out got traded before he hit his prime (rip) and we can't get passed the first round...so we are obviously doing something wrong here!


Oh, and for the record, we have no one in our starting 5 that we actually drafted. We got Haywood in a trade with Orlando, and the rest were all FA
Haywood never played for the Magic....he was a draft day trade....Technically you are right....but he has always played for us....and is a player we got out of college that year....I consider him our draft pick.

[Clutch03]

It's sad because the only draft pick in recent history I remember working out got traded before he hit his prime (rip) and we can't get passed the first round...so we are obviously doing something wrong here!


Haywood never played for the Magic....he was a draft day trade....Technically you are right....but he has always played for us....and is a player we got out of college that year....I consider him our draft pick.


I'm pretty sure we have gotten on the first round of the playoffs. And getting to the playoffs 4 years in a row is doing something wrong? And it wasn't like we were the 7th or 8th seed any of those years. Man I'd hate to know how you feel about a team like Memphis.

This is team is far from an embarrassment. And far from "doing something wrong". If Garnett would have missed most of the season last year or even Paul Pierce for that matter do you think they would have won the championship? They have a Big Three that puts up similair numbers to our Big Three.

[finkle22281]

I'm pretty sure we have gotten on the first round of the playoffs. And getting to the playoffs 4 years in a row is doing something wrong? And it wasn't like we were the 7th or 8th seed any of those years. Man I'd hate to know how you feel about a team like Memphis.

This is team is far from an embarrassment. And far from "doing something wrong". If Garnett would have missed most of the season last year or even Paul Pierce for that matter do you think they would have won the championship? They have a Big Three that puts up similair numbers to our Big Three.

we have gotten out of the first round once in four years. I never said the team is an embarrassment....but you absolutely have to be able to make good draft-day moves to win a championship. It would be nice to have a first round pick pan out once in a while....and stick w/ the team that drafted him!

I'm not bashing the team we have....it is very promising (if we can stay healthy) and I love the players....but the post I was quoting had it dead on!

why are we drafting three players w/ the same make-up who are all projects?

blatche, pesh, mcgee = all small lanky "big men" who are more likely to shoot a 3 than crash the boards.....that isn't what we need!

oh and by the way....Boston's big three is NOTHING like ours! KG is one of the best defensive big men in the game....he can also score and rebound. AJ can't play defense worth a ****!

Ray Allen plays defense.....Gil doesn't

Pierce and Butler are the only two that compare.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

I think they said hes injured, he'd definitely be in there if healthy.

I'm so tired of this bum, what the hell was the purpose of drafting him. He's a dam cupcake....

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

If you have the chance to take a POTENTIAL franchise big man (which is what Grunfeld and some others believe about McGee) then you do it. If it takes three years so be it. Big men don't grow on trees.

I totally disagree with this contention that McGee is the same as Blatche and Pech. I didn't see that at all. I saw legitimate 7-footer who runs the floor like Carl Lewis (for his size) and whose hands reach his knees. Dudes arms really are ridiculous. I saw him repeatedly posting people up. I saw him repeatedly block and challenge shots. A real big man. Did he knock down a 3? Yes. Can he handle the ball? Yes. But that isn't his game and I really don't see how him being able to do that is a bad thing. What I didn't see was some 6'11" Dr. J wannabe (except for the whole dunking part) or a 6'11" Dirk wannabe (if all Dirk did was stand on the 3-point line.) I saw a big man. Period. An athletic Haywood if you will.

From nbadraft.net: (http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/javalemcgee.html)

NBA Comparison: Andrew Bynum/Patrick O’Bryant

Strengths: Long athletic bigman who is absolutely bursting with potential ... Runs the floor exceptionally well ... Improving at a rapid pace on both ends of the floor. Has freakishly long arms: around a 7-6 wingspan which makes him a great rebounder and shot blocker ... Can really become a force defensively when he adds strength and discipline on opponent's shot fakes ... His length makes it extremely difficult for opponents to get shots over ... His offensive game is showing a lot of promise with developing back to the basket skills. He even shows some ability to face the basket and make drives or spot up ... Has a competitive spirit that is not apparent in many bigmen who picked up the game because of their size. A late bloomer who went underrecruited out of Chicago. McGee's parents were both professional basketball players so he has been around the game from a young age ... Shows solid form and touch on his shot ... Has a tremendous frame which should allow him to get much stronger and retain his great agility and athleticism ... Gives great effort and shows very good stamina for a bigman his age ... Added strength will give him better balance and make him a lot more effective imposing his will inside ... Has the potential to be a top 5-10 center in the league someday (if he's patient about entering the NBA) ... Has even shown the ability to knock down shots from college 3, no question influenced by the presence of Nick Fazekas last year ...

Weaknesses: Still must gain maturity. He gets frustrated far too easily and loses his composure quickly when calls go against him, or when he's struggling ... Still growing into his body and game, learning what he's capable of and steadily becoming a factor night in and night out ... Needs to develop some go to moves. A reliable jump hook would make him an absolute force ... Must improve from the free throw line (50% won't cut it). He has solid shooting touch and should be able to raise his FT shooting to at least 70-75 percent over time if he develops a consistent routine and works at it ... Should be wary of leaving school early. It's likely he would be a first rounder this year, but a third year in college would really help him in the long run as he would be much better prepared for the NBA and not run the risk of losing confidence and falling short of his full potential ...

After the pick I was eh about the whole thing. I read up on him, like a lot, and started warming to it. Then last night I saw exactly what I wanted to see. I'm excited about the pick now. Is it a lock that he dominates in three years? Hardly. Is it a possibility? I definitely think so. And you don't pass up that possibility. I'm sorry but you don't.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I want to say that I understand where you all are coming from. I do. I just disagree. And that's that. Time will tell who's right and who's wrong.

[Clutch03]

we have gotten out of the first round once in four years. I never said the team is an embarrassment....but you absolutely have to be able to make good draft-day moves to win a championship. It would be nice to have a first round pick pan out once in a while....and stick w/ the team that drafted him!

I'm not bashing the team we have....it is very promising (if we can stay healthy) and I love the players....but the post I was quoting had it dead on!

why are we drafting three players w/ the same make-up who are all projects?

blatche, pesh, mcgee = all small lanky "big men" who are more likely to shoot a 3 than crash the boards.....that isn't what we need!

oh and by the way....Boston's big three is NOTHING like ours! KG is one of the best defensive big men in the game....he can also score and rebound. AJ can't play defense worth a ****!

Ray Allen plays defense.....Gil doesn't

Pierce and Butler are the only two that compare.

I get what your saying but you can only really judge the Wiz on two of those seasons because that was when all of our starters were healthy. Last season no Gil except for a couple of games and he wasn't healthy then. The year before no Gil or Caron.

Oh and don't forget that Garnett didn't make it out of the first round until last year. And I do believe the smaller of the Big 2 beat the Celtics Big Three during the regular season.

But as far as drafting the same type of players I just don't see them being the same type of player.

Blatche is an athletic PF similiar to Garnett (I'm not comparing the two just saying that is his style of play). He does need to brush up on his post moves.

Pesh is your typical European big man who can shoot from the outside.

McGee is a big man who can block shots and rebound. Even though his rebounding wasn't all that great in last night's game he did average 7 boards a game in college which isn't bad. I think its a plus that he can shoot ... what's wrong with a big man that can shoot? I wish Haywood could shot better.

[finkle22281]

I want to say that I understand where you all are coming from. I do. I just disagree. And that's that. Time will tell who's right and who's wrong.

I respect your opinion...I hope it is correct. I just see blatche working out before McGee....hopefully both of them will

[finkle22281]

I get what your saying but you can only really judge the Wiz on two of those seasons because that was when all of our starters were healthy. Last season no Gil except for a couple of games and he wasn't healthy then. The year before no Gil or Caron.

Oh and don't forget that Garnett didn't make it out of the first round until last year. And I do believe the smaller of the Big 2 beat the Celtics Big Three during the regular season.

But as far as drafting the same type of players I just don't see them being the same type of player.

Blatche is an athletic PF similiar to Garnett (I'm not comparing the two just saying that is his style of play). He does need to brush up on his post moves.

Pesh is your typical European big man who can shoot from the outside.

McGee is a big man who can block shots and rebound. Even though his rebounding wasn't all that great in last night's game he did average 7 boards a game in college which isn't bad. I think its a plus that he can shoot ... what's wrong with a big man that can shoot? I wish Haywood could shot better.

I agree w/ the majority of what you have said....my frustrations are not w/ the team we have...I like the team we have and think they have championship potential if they stay healthy! My frustrations are w/ the draft picks we've made the past 3 or 4 years....w/ the exception of nick young....good pick.

I just wish we would take a 250 lb 6'10 PF who will rough people up and rebound...that is what we need..... I don't give a **** about potential in 3 years to be a POSSIBLE supper star. We don't need anymore super stars....we need a down and dirty PF.

[Clutch03]

I agree w/ the majority of what you have said....my frustrations are not w/ the team we have...I like the team we have and think they have championship potential if they stay healthy! My frustrations are w/ the draft picks we've made the past 3 or 4 years....w/ the exception of nick young....good pick.

I just wish we would take a 250 lb 6'10 PF who will rough people up and rebound...that is what we need..... I don't give a **** about potential in 3 years to be a POSSIBLE supper star. We don't need anymore super stars....we need a down and dirty PF.

Yeah those guys are hard to come by. I think Etan is the closest we have to that. Its even harder drafting those types of guys because most of them end up becoming busts in the NBA.

[earl]

I'm not saying this guy is a bust i just think its crazy that 1. he isn't the defensive force that we need right now. and 2. I think its safe to say barring injury this guy will get minimal minutes this season. Furthermore I bet everyone any amount of money there will be guys drafted after 18 this year that contribute in big ways to better teams thus supercharging thier confidence and careers and the overall state of thier respective franchises. That is what the draft is meant to be. But the wizards don't play that way.

F*** potential. i think thats whats wrong w/ the NBA. there is too much focus on potential and not enough on production. Most players drafted on potential don't do anything to help thier teams. Most finally realize thier potential later in thier careers on teams that didn't draft them. So what does that do for the drafting team? absolutely nothing! Now i know people will be screaming "what about kobe, kg, lebron etc." but those are examples of the select few. What did toronto get by drafting TMAC, Seattle reaching on wilcox or Portland JO? nothing a wasted pick. yeah its great you knew they were gonna be good, but while they had them they were garbage and later in thier careers other teams reaped the rewards.

Conversely guys like tayshawn prince (23rd overall) and josh howard (29th) who might not have superstar potential but were ready to contribute actually play in the playoffs thier rookie season and shine. Thus giving them the confidence to play at a high level for years to come.

I just think like the skins in the past the wizards don't consider the draft as a real avenue to find players that can play now. its like they see it as slot machine. look for potential and pull and pray. Maybe in the second round but not the first. Especially this year. This was a deep draft. and w/ our one pick the 18 overall we draft a guy that probably won't see the court for a couple of years. And just to make a point I bet bill walker (our 2nd round pick) of the championship Celtics gets more time and production then our mcgee. better yet mcgee and pecherov combined. its sickens me. but hey they've got "potential"!!

[pjfootballer]

There is some truth to what Earl is saying. With all our drafting since 1979 we haven't even been out of the 2nd round. 30 years and nothing to show. Bad drafting, bad trades, injuries and bad luck have contributed to a mediocre franchise to medicre to bad records. I'm so sick of the "potential" of this team, I'd like to see some results out of the money we've spent on players. Jumpin Jesus Christ, at least win 50 games for once.

[twenty-eight]

Posted at 1:29 PM ET, 07/15/2008
Pecherov update

Oleksiy Pecherov, who missed last night's summer league opening loss to Portland with a sprained left ankle, is expected to miss tomorrow's game against Philadelphia but could play in the final three games. I fly to Las Vegas Friday morning and will be on hand for the weekend games.

[method man]

I want to see more out of McGee tomorrow like some tenacity on the boards. I want to see Blatche be more decisive with the ball in his hands. I want to sick Nick not take a fadeaway when he is being covered. I want to see McGuire stop trying to score. I want to see Dee Brown direct at least a few offensive sets.

The only guy who truly had himself a good game yesterday was Elegar.

We should be 5-0 in this league considering we have at least 6 guys who will make the team with 2 guys slated to have major roles off the bench this upcoming season. Hopefully they can step it up tomorrow and Blatche and Nick can both dominate like they are supposed to in a league like this.

[BayouBrave86]

I'm not really going to judge McGee so quickly. Hell, Tyson Chandler only averaged 5 rebounds per game in his first summer league. I am critical of Blatche and Young though. They better get their heads on straight.

[hfmonk]

If we dont go 5-0 then maybe the guys we are picking arent that good and we are deluding ourselves even more....
Maybe our bench isnt that good and without Gil we would have a PG that knew how to defend and pass....
Maybe we shouldnt have 6 out of 15 players on our team be Summer league players that are raw and cant compete with starters or second string veterans in the NBA...
Maybe we didnt need to make caap room for 2010....
Maybe we needed to use our cap room wiser today and not hope for one guy to blow it on in 2 years that might be a HOF'er that wont come to DC if we have no chance of getting out of the first round and that we cant surround with talent due to cap mismanagement.

Hmmm....Who might be responsible for our players and the style of play of our team? EG and EJ?
Maybe they need to go so that we can get a GM and HC that believe more in defense and passing and that isnt afraid to tutor the young kids instead of putting them down. Maybe we would attract great players to DC if we did.

[mojobo]

If we dont go 5-0 then maybe the guys we are picking arent that good and we are deluding ourselves even more....
Maybe our bench isnt that good and without Gil we would have a PG that knew how to defend and pass....
Maybe we shouldnt have 6 out of 15 players on our team be Summer league players that are raw and cant compete with starters or second string veterans in the NBA...
Maybe we didnt need to make caap room for 2010....
Maybe we needed to use our cap room wiser today and not hope for one guy to blow it on in 2 years that might be a HOF'er that wont come to DC if we have no chance of getting out of the first round and that we cant surround with talent due to cap mismanagement.

Hmmm....Who might be responsible for our players and the style of play of our team? EG and EJ?
Maybe they need to go so that we can get a GM and HC that believe more in defense and passing and that isnt afraid to tutor the young kids instead of putting them down. Maybe we would attract great players to DC if we did.
Maybe if you even knew how much cap space we had this post would be relevant, maybe if you didnt say you would rather have Barnes, Biedrins, Posey, House, and Mutombo on our team when 1. we likely wouldn't be able to bring in all those players with the cap space we had and 2. that combination of players would bring nowhere near the amount of talent AJ and Gil bring. Maybe if you didn't judge our teams talent on 1 meaningless summer league game you'd be able to recognize what talent we do have on this team.

[fpickering]

Speights is eating McGee's lunch.

McGee looks soft and pretty much worthless against Philadelphia. So far on every touch I have seen he has either turned it over, traveled or thrown up a brick (or airball). Also, he has done nothing on the defensive end and I have not witnessed him get a single board.

I know it has only been two games and hope I am wrong but I had a bad feeling about this pick on draft day and my fears are developing before my eyes.

[hfmonk]

Maybe if you even knew how much cap space we had this post would be relevant, maybe if you didnt say you would rather have Barnes, Biedrins, Posey, House, and Mutombo on our team when 1. we likely wouldn't be able to bring in all those players with the cap space we had and 2. that combination of players would bring nowhere near the amount of talent AJ and Gil bring. Maybe if you didn't judge our teams talent on 1 meaningless summer league game you'd be able to recognize what talent we do have on this team.

Gil and AJ= about 27M and leave us with 5M...Biedrins will probably sign for 8, Barnes for 4-5, Posey 5, House 5-8, and Mutombo for league minimum 1-2....please do your own adding. At the most it is 28M if you dont know how to add. That may not bring in equivalence in starters but it does something that we need and that is it helps our bench immeasurably.

AD would become the PG and in him would get a great defender that knows how to pass. Dee and House would give solid bench support. Posey would have been a great backup for CB. Beidrins with Mutombo and Haywood to backup would make a great platoon. Blatche is solid when given minutes and could start, Barnes could start if needed and VV might be a good backup.

I dont judge on 1 game....I try not to judge anything by Summer League because some great SL players have been huge busts. You cant judge anything from SL. I cant wait until the season. I liked the slam that made ESPN by McGee. I hope he does that against Shaq and Duncan. Do I think he can?....I will wait to see but I am not holding alot of hope out for it. We have been awful on defense for a long time and until I see that changing I wont have alot of faith in any big on our team.

[Rocky21]

Looks like Marreese Speights went off on us.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Gil and AJ= about 27M and leave us with 5M...Biedrins will probably sign for 8, Barnes for 4-5, Posey 5, House 5-8, and Mutombo for league minimum 1-2....please do your own adding. At the most it is 28M if you dont know how to add.
You are wrong about how much money the Wiz would have had under the cap if they hadn't have retained Gil and Jamison.

At the most the Wiz would have had around 16M...not 28M. The Wiz were able to shell out so much money on Gil and Jamison because in the NBA you are allowed to exceed the cap to retain your own free agents.

[RonArtest15]

I saw a great quote on RealGM about Nick Young...not verbatim, but the person said "if he isn't scoring, he's useless."

What are your expectations for NY going into this season. He's been horrid through the 2 games of summer league play. I was expecting him to be a dominant player in Vegas, but it looks like his mind is elsewhere. I understand he is playing with guys who aren't as talented and will NEVER sniff a NBA hardwood, but where's the sense of urgency? The more I think about it, the more I wish we still had Roger Mason around.

[finkle22281]

with NY...the raw skill is their, the maturity is not. Can he still produce before he matures? Of course he can....just look at gilbert arenas!

[Clutch03]

with NY...the raw skill is their, the maturity is not. Can he still produce before he matures? Of course he can....just look at gilbert arenas!

Agreed he isn't ready to be the "man" yet. Meaning he isn't the guy you want to look to to take over a game. But he has the ability to do just that (see the Laker's game last year). He just puts too much stock in his offense ... when he misses a couple of shots he gets down on himself. He has the Gil mentality where he feels every shot he puts up should go in. Unfortunately this cause him to loose focus on both ends of the court.

The good thing is no one is asking him to be the "man". The Wiz are asking him to come off the bench and be a scoring spark kind of in the mold of Ginoboli.