The Summer League results thread

[Zen-like Todd]

I figure it's probably a good idea to keep all of the results in one thread.... that said, the first game was NOT at all pretty. Granted, we're learning a completely new system and only had 3 days to practice it, but stilll jeeezzzuus

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/03SL_BoxScore_Session1b.pdf


I'd summarize, but there's so much carnage (even the players with decent FG % turned the ball over waaaay too much) you should just see it for yourself. The only thing that was slightly amusing in a non-depressing way was that in an otherwise wholly unimpressive stat-line, Etan Thomas swatted 7 shots in 27 minutes.

[Funkyalligator]

Blake had 7 assists.....

[Zen-like Todd]

umm... yeah, but he was 0-8 from the field. :doh:

[Boy2Der]

At least they are showing they reaally care about Kwame Brown he had the most minutes.

[rg2k4]

Well overall Jarvis Hayes had a pretty good game. Little dissapointed in our ex TERPS though.

[The Sir]

My Hawks killed yall. Our first round draft pick, Boris Diaw, looked really good apparently, even though his line isn't too impressive. Kwame had a lot of TOs, i dont know how a PF can get that many. He shouldnt be putting it on the floor enough for that to happen and usually PFs arent ask to make many difficult passes. I realize that everyone can have a bad day, but it seems like he has a lot of them. I wont give up on him yet, but I dont see him ever being successful in a wizards jersey. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs.

[Gamebreaker]

I wouldn't go that far, it was just one summer league game, and they are learning a new system. I'm still reserving judgement on Kwame until at least pre-season.

Blake has to shoot better from the field, although the 7 assist is encouraging. Hayes had a good FG%, hopefully that continues and maybe some of the guys looking to land a roster spot steps up.

[Buford]

didn't Kwame have like 27 points his 1st summer league game?

A new system and the head coach hasn't even installed it yet. Expect to lose more games this summer because the asst coach is running a bunch of guys who don't know the plays.

[TennesseeCarl]

a) Kwame had 8 turnovers.....<sigh>

b) We had a number of regular NBA players out there (and for significant amounts of playing time). Atlanta had none that I recognized (unless you'd count Dan Dickau)

c) Speaking of which, for God's sakes, we gave up 11 points to Dan Dickau? That's like 3 career games for him.

d) A very Wizard-like start.

[BayouBrave86]

Kwame Brown is struggling..only 6 points in their 2nd game.
Jarvis Hayes is doing great! 18 points..8-16. Dixon scored 15 I think..? And Blake had 9 assists. Poor Kwame:doh:
Oh yeah..Wiz lost again...70-59 to the Knicks.

[Zen-like Todd]

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/03SL_BoxScore_Session3a.pdf

That's the link to the box score. Nice to see the rookies doing well. (Hayes has been our leading scorer in both games, shot a high %, just like he did in college, and Blake is averaging 8 assists a game so far).


BTW, even though we lost, it was a hell of a lot closer, and it looks like Mike Sweetney was totally shut down, after putting up 20 points yesterday. I wonder if Etan or Kwame had the primary responsibility.



Tyrone Nesby torched us for 20 :( .


...edit...

I figured out why Nesby probably went off on us. The box score makes it look like they started Nesby at the 2, where he'd match up against Dixon, since we're playing with a very small backcourt (its summer league, Stack and Hughes arent around, obviously). This won't happen during the season.

[jbooma]

blake had 5 points and 9 assists :)

what is wrong with Kwame?

[chiefhogskin48]

Kwame stinks. The sooner you come to that realization, the better. This is his third summer league.

[luckydevil]

They are learning a new system. It is way to early

[Gamebreaker]

Blake is looking good so far, it looks like this system suits him, but I'm sure once pre-season and the regular season starts he won't be impressing this much. He needs more seasoning, and playing well aganist scrubs doesn't mean much.

People shouldn't criticize Kwame for two game in a friggin' summer league. Come on, some of you act like he's NEVER played good. Last season, he tore the league up in pre-season, and just as those games didn't mean anything, neither do these.

[js79]

if he can't score against backups and bums, how are we suppose to EXPECT him to just come alive when the season starts?

the other players don't seem to have trouble picking up the system, why is kwame struggling so bad??

are we gonna keep on making excuses for him to hide the fact that he JUST might be a BUM? he's soft, he's not very emotional when he plays, he's sometimes very lazy... i think we need a miracle

[TennesseeCarl]

Why is it we're not supposed to criticize Kwame?

Or are we still on the 'now that Jordan's not ridin' his butt, Kwame will unleash his potential' kick?

I'd love to see it. He has shown flashes, but you'd really think he could do better against Summer League talent. It's not like he's even had time to get rusty.

[Dr. D]

let me get this right; we are not supposed to crow when he spanks the scrubs in seasons past. Yet, when he gets his ass whipped we look the other way?

I am thinking there is a learning curve and he is not on it.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by js79
if he can't score against backups and bums, how are we suppose to EXPECT him to just come alive when the season starts?

the other players don't seem to have trouble picking up the system, why is kwame struggling so bad??

are we gonna keep on making excuses for him to hide the fact that he JUST might be a BUM? he's soft, he's not very emotional when he plays, he's sometimes very lazy... i think we need a miracle

if you read the post today there is a reason he didn't score. He was mainly there to defend the NY big men, he held Sweetney to 3 points, after he scored over 20 the night before. So he didn't score a lot but played good on D, that is what he needs to work on.

[Zen-like Todd]

Considering Sweetney just scored 20 points and 13 rebounds in TODAY's game, I'd say jbooma has a point.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by CrankyTodd
Considering Sweetney just scored 20 points and 13 rebounds in TODAY's game, I'd say jbooma has a point.


Kwame has always been able to score his biggest weakness is his D, I think that is what he is working on during this summer camp.

[Zen-like Todd]

Ok... some decent news... we finally won a summer league game (88-74). Jarvis Hayes didnt play (Neck Strain).

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/03SL_BoxScore_Session5b.pdf

Kwame had 15 points and 13 rebounds in 28 minutes.
Bobby Simmons had 19 points in 28 minutes
Juan had 14 points, 5 assists, 4 steals, and 4 rebounds in 29 minutes.
Steve Blake had 8 points and 6 assists in 29 minutes (just one turnover... about time we had a PG with a decent assist/TO ratio).

And the surprise players of the game...
Maurice Evans had 14 points in 20 minutes, and
Dennis Marconato, a 6-10 Euro forward/center in his late twenties, scored just 4 points, but snagged 10 rebounds in 22 minutes.

[js79]

good numbers, but we still can't hit no 3's

[Buford]

The Wizards found their rhythm Wednesday as they beat the Sixers 88-74. Forward Bobby Simmons led all scorers with 19 while Kwame Brown scored 15 and grabbed 13 boards. Juan Dixon and Maurice Evans each contributed 14 points. The Wizards will have a well deserved day off tomorrow before taking on Milwaukee on Friday.



Anybody think that the 1st game coach Jordan ran and the 1st summer league game they won have anything to do with each other?

[luckydevil]

"Anybody think that the 1st game coach Jordan ran and the 1st summer league game they won have anything to do with each other?"

You may be right Buff

[jbooma]

Originally posted by luckydevi
"Anybody think that the 1st game coach Jordan ran and the 1st summer league game they won have anything to do with each other?"

You may be right Buff


The other nice thing is their best shooter so far Hayes didn't even play.

[Dr. D]

good call on the coach thing.....to extrapolate would in essense answer the question for us with regards to his impact.

its about time we had any "impact" at all from a coach, er effectivenness I meant to say.

[AJWatson3]

those are the kind of numbers i want to see dixon put up in the reg season... what a line!

kwame's looked impressive too!

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by js79
if he can't score against backups and bums, how are we suppose to EXPECT him to just come alive when the season starts?

the other players don't seem to have trouble picking up the system, why is kwame struggling so bad??

are we gonna keep on making excuses for him to hide the fact that he JUST might be a BUM? he's soft, he's not very emotional when he plays, he's sometimes very lazy... i think we need a miracle

I think you need to re-read my post. You say he can't score aganist backups and bums, but he's been a monster aganist starters at times, and finished last season strong.

He is a kid who jumped to the pros straight from high school. For most of these type of players, they need numerous years before they fully develop. This has been stated over and over again since he's been drafted, why do people continue to be so impatient?

[Gamebreaker]

Those are great numbers. Kwame's numbers looked good, especially on the rebounds.

Is Hayes playing again soon? I'm also impressed Blake, maybe he's learning curve won't be as long. Regardless, they still need to sign Arenas.

[Thinking Skins]

Optimism should be cautious about the rookies Blake and Hayes. Given, they're doing good but this is just summer league. I mean, Kwame came in and did well in the summer league games too and he didnt have a great rookie year. I think its similar to a player coming in and looking good in a scrimage in football. Its basically like so what. It serves as a crowd pleaser but thats about it.

[js79]

reported by sports talk 980, kwame brown left boston after fulfilling 3 games in the summer according to his contract


man... even tho thats his choice and everything, i thought he would stay longer

[TennesseeCarl]

Way to go, Kwame. Let's show some of that work ethic Jordan complained of.

Great....just great.

[CMonster]

My take on the Wiz vs Bucks today.....

The team looks WELL coached. I am already a fan of Eddie Jordan. They looked like the Nets already. And Steve Blake is the kind of heady PG to make it go.

Blake looked great. I was skeptical, but I think Blake will definitely make it and contribute as well. Frankly, he looked every bit as good as TJ Ford, and I like Ford ALOT.

Dixon is a player and I like Bobby Simmons as well. Of the FAs, I thought Andre Patterson, Maurice Evans and Britton Johnson showed flashes, but they are a ways away.

So game balls to Eddie Jordan and Steve Blake.

Turkey award goes to Kwame. I've always maintained that it was too early to worry about him, but his leaving the summer league is the first time I've had a legitimate doubt.

And now I'm watching the Cavs-- my first extended view of Lebron.

Lebron has the athleticism and skills of Tracy McGrady and the court vision and intelligence of Magic Johnson. He's simply incredible to watch.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by CMonster


And now I'm watching the Cavs-- my first extended view of Lebron.

Lebron has the athleticism and skills of Tracy McGrady and the court vision and intelligence of Magic Johnson. He's simply incredible to watch.


Thats scary, but exciting :)

[Buford]

Didn't I say Coach Jordan made a big impact 2 days ago?

He's confidence and comand are great. The best part is that he supports his players with one hand and pushes them with the other.

This has Gary Williams and Coach Fridge written all over it. Hometown guy comes back to bring his team back to a respectable level.

This guy needs to be given like 3- 5 years.

[Thinking Skins]

Spurs capture Championship at Reebok Pro Summer League
LAST UPDATE: 7/20/2003 4:27:51 AM
Posted By: Spurs News Editor

Nate Johnson and Devin Brown combined for 35 points as the San Antonio Spurs remained undefeated and clinched the championship of the 2003 Reebok Pro Summer League, with an 80-67 win over the Washington Wizards (2-3). The Spurs had to overcome a 27-point effort by Washington’s Juan Dixon to pick up their fifth straight win.

The Spurs have hardly been challenged this week. They have averaged almost 80 points per game and have allowed an average of only 65, and have won by at least 11 points in four of their five games.

After taking a 59-49 after three quarters, the Spurs put the game away with an 18-3 run to start the fourth quarter. Leading 69-56, the Spurs turned to Johnson to put the game away. He converted a Gill pass for a fast-break alley oop dunk, stole a Steve Blake pass and scored on a fast break lay-up. On the next possession, made a reverse lay-up and then stole the ball from Evans and fed Kaspers Kambala, who was fouled and made a pair of free throws. Suddenly, the Spurs led by 21, 77-56. A pair of baskets by Dixon, including a three-pointer at the buzzer made it look close, as the Spurs walked off with another easy win.

It took the Spurs a while to get going in this game. After a Maurice Evans basket brought the Wizards to within 2 points, 34-32 with 5:41 left in the first half, the Spurs called a timeout. Whatever they discussed on the sidelines worked as they went on a 12-4 run to close out the half ahead by 10 points. Eddie Gill stole a Dixon pass and fed Johnson for a fast break lay-up. Johnson then hit a 19-footer and, after a Washington turnover, Ernest Brown hit a jumper to make it 40-34. A couple of minutes later, Ernest Brown hit a pair of free throws to make it an 8-point game. Washington had a chance to cut into the Spurs’ lead before halftime but Dixon committed a pair of turnovers, the second one leading to a slam dunk by Devin Brown with 31.4 seconds left in the half, to allow the Spurs to take a 46-36 lead into the locker room.

Dixon’s offensive output was not nearly enough as he got little support from his teammates. No other Wizards player scored in double figures, while four Spurs had at least 10 points, led by Johnson (18), Devin Brown (17), Damone Brown and Ernest Brown (10 points each). Guyton added 9 points off the bench for the Spurs.

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