Should the wizards go after Mourning??

[jbooma]

The Nets will trade him and with a lineup of Arenas, Hughes, Jamison, Brown, and Mourning, who could beat that in the East?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he would love to come back to DC and would be a nice way to retire

The problem is what do we give up :(

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by jbooma

The problem is what do we give up :(

Exactly.

And is he worth anything we have?

Mourning was a fine player. But he just doesn't seem to have it anymore.

I like our chemistry right now and not sure it's worth jeopardizing.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


Exactly.

And is he worth anything we have?

Mourning was a fine player. But he just doesn't seem to have it anymore.

I like our chemistry right now and not sure it's worth jeopardizing.

true but with the east this bad this might be a good chance for us, we won't have to give up anything to big maybe a couple of picks and some young project, but we don't have a center and mourning has been playing great

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by jbooma

true but with the east this bad this might be a good chance for us, we won't have to give up anything to big maybe a couple of picks and some young project, but we don't have a center and mourning has been playing great

And so has Haywood. And now we have (a much bigger) Kwame back. And Etan soon.

I just don't think we need him.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


And so has Haywood. And now we have (a much bigger) Kwame back. And Etan soon.

I just don't think we need him.

i think he is the guy that can put us over, because you know what you get and he is still one if the best defenders against shaq in the league, and that is the man we need to worry about

[BIGGS_DADDY]

Haywood is getting the job done and still has potential to be better. I say we keep the players we have and let them gel together.

[Drex]

It makes absolutely no sense to pick up Zo. Haywood has size and is improving as a basketball player and you also have Kwame and Etan Thomas who will eventually see some time in the pivot as well.

[bofluid]

The Wiz just committed to Haywood for 5 years. I don't think it would do much for his confidence if they signed a washed up Zo.

[fdarugar]

No way, Haywood has picked up his play immensely. Acquiring Zo would be a step back for our young team.

[Brooklynskinsfan]

u would haft to be crazy to mess with the wizards roster right now i think were looking at a team that can make it 2 the second round of the playoffs ala miami last year

[Brooklynskinsfan]

the wiz have like 11 1st round draft picks on the team i think they have the deepest roster in the league they just lack star power for them 2 be elite arenas really hast to step up

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

I don't think Zo would put us over the top. I think the Wiz right now, if they stay healthy and consistant, will be a 6-8 seed in the playoffs, and would be a tough first round matchup with any East team. That would be a great year for us, and we should build on that with the team we have. I really don't think Zo has enough left in him to cut down on Haywood and Etan's minutes. And I wouldn't give up anything more than Samaki Walker and a late second rounder for him anyway. Plus, I think he has a pretty big contract that lasts beyond this year. We already have an average of about $11.5 M invested in Haywood and Etan for the next 5 years, so if we put any big money into another big man aside from re-signing Kwame, it should be in a young guy with solid potential or a vet with an All-Star year or 2 left in him.

[Buford]

young for old?

Unseld must be posting on this board.

[RDSCNZ20]

i wouldn't trade anyone of our roster.. let the wiz kidz grow and gel together... i know zo would give the team some more heart and toughness.. but no more young for old and tall for short trades..

and Kwame is huge... he looked like the biggest guy on court...even with ZO there

he's the sean taylor of the Wiz

[Gamebreaker]

Zo, right now, is a step back from Haywood and probably even Etan. We're better off without him.

[monkey66]

Originally posted by Brooklynskinsfan
u would haft to be crazy to mess with the wizards roster right now i think were looking at a team that can make it 2 the second round of the playoffs ala miami last year

I couldn't agree more. We would be insane to give up any quality young guys for Mourning... be patient folks, this team is on the brink.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma
The Nets will trade him and with a lineup of Arenas, Hughes, Jamison, Brown, and Mourning, who could beat that in the East?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he would love to come back to DC and would be a nice way to retire

The problem is what do we give up :(


Intersting idea. I would be surprised if our GM isnt already thinking this one over.

Mourning. Hmmm. He would be a great teacher for Kwame. I could see them feeding off each others energy. Kwame has the youth that has passed Mourning bye, but Mourning has the big man experience and heart that Kwame needs to learn. Etan would get in on some of that also. We could trade away a future draft pick(s). We shouldn't have a need draft anyone for 3 years if we felt like it. We have one of the youngest teams in the league.
Lots of talent and lots of upside. This could be the thing that would allow them to do deeper into the playoffs. Actually, we would be huge and tough. Kwame, Zoe, Etan, Haywood, Jamison, Hughes, Gilbert, Hayes. Plus Raymos is the ever let him play. Thats line up can handle Shaq daddy. That may be a championship line up.

Interesting rabbit. Interesting.....I think I like the idea, but only for draft pick(s) and/or for Jefferies, no one else.

[hands11]

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


Exactly.

And is he worth anything we have?

Mourning was a fine player. But he just doesn't seem to have it anymore.

I like our chemistry right now and not sure it's worth jeopardizing.


I dont think this kind of deal is going to happen tomarrow.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


i think he is the guy that can put us over, because you know what you get and he is still one if the best defenders against shaq in the league, and that is the man we need to worry about


Agreed.

This may indeed be a good year to do this. Weak conference.

For those talking about Haywood. Know this. Haywood will never be a ZO. ZO is a strong man with a huge heart and tough as nails. Does that make you think of Haywood ?

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Draft picks and Jefferies for ZO. We would be monsters to deal with.

[hands11]

Originally posted by bofluid
The Wiz just committed to Haywood for 5 years. I don't think it would do much for his confidence if they signed a washed up Zo.

Nonsence. These are pros. Haywood is not a star and he is young. If he doesnt understand the team wants to win a championship, he has no business playing. Zo will not be around forever as a starter so if the young guys can out play him in 2 yrs, great, he will be the back up and a teacher. There is no "I" in team. I didnt like us getting Dion and Bruce, but Zo is different. He brings heart with him.

Jamison replaced Hayes. That as a good thing.

I think our GM may pull this kind of move.

I haven't looked into the contract considerations so I have no idea if this is possible in the grand sceme with the cap.

Since this wont be happening tomarrow, we should watch Mourning over the next month and see what he has left.

He didnt play much 2003-2004. I would want to make sure he has returned to form and will be healthy. He is 34 and has been though some serious medical stuff. But if he has fully recovered, I would consider it. Let see what he does. He must know people are watching. He is auditioning for other teams.

Hmm, Im cooling on the idea a little. I was thinking, ZO.
Now Im thinking, older ZO, unhealthy ZO, giving up young talent.
Maybe if it was just for a pick and like someone mentioned, Walker.

More research must be done. We should watch him and see what he can do this year. I think Gil would like ZO.

[BayouBrave86]

Would love to get him at the deadline but for what? I don't know. Obviously not Hayes, but perhaps Jeffries?

[method man]

I am the guy who would pull the trade trigger everytime but I do not think we should meddle with this team right now. It is diong great. Haywood has been good. Once Etan Thomas comes back we have a bruiser who can take some centers out.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
Zo, right now, is a step back from Haywood and probably even Etan. We're better off without him.

Hardly.

Etan may not be ready till the playoffs and may not recover in any meaningful way at all this season. So keep that in mind.

The game tonight against Denver highlights how bad we miss a healthy Kwame and Etan. We are still lacking leadership from the front court. Just Jams is not enough.

Actually, Haywood seemed to be posting similar number to Morning right now but Morning is still getting back in the grove after missing most of last season and he bring a totally different presents.

One question would be, is Morning faster up and down the court then Haywood ? Maybe it isnt worth adding him if you consider the money and everything. Its a tough call. I trust our GM to figure this out.

But Zo knows what to do with the ball aroud the hoop. He has a better feel for the game and much more confidence. Zo has been the best player on a team before, Haywood likely will never be that. Zoo averaged 20 pts 10 RBs on 50% shooting for 8 years before his health problems. Haywood still seems a little confused around the hoop with the ball in his hands and doesnt have good post moves. He is good at put backs.

What I really want to see is Kwame, Etan, Jams, Hughes and Gil
But because of health reasons we will see this line up first.
Haywood, Kwame, Jams, Hughes and Gil. This would be fine if Kwame were in full swing.

So the question is, would you rather see.

Haywood, Kwame, Jams, Hughes and Gil
or
Morning, Kwame and Jams, Hughes and Gil

I think I would be more scared to go up against that second group then the first. Morning and Jams will lift Kwame up to thier level of play will he is recovering and developing. This may actually be the best things for Kwame's development. Bookend him with hard working professionals.

[jbooma]

anyone want to change their opinion after watching the defense against denver last night :)

i still think he is the missing link, remember Rasheed last year, the only thing Mouning cares about is winning, he doesn't care about money, he wants a ring bad, we could use that on this team, i don't think the east will be this bad every year and sometimes you have to take a chance

[Bugs']

I am a big AM fan but I am hesitant about pulling the trigger here. Most of my reasons have already been stated by others.

1. Fear of disrupting chemistry

2. Fear of stunting Haywood's and Kwame's growth

3. Trading young for old

Sure, we had a bad defensive game against Denver and we are doing poorly defensively overall, but I would be afraid of upsetting the balance of the team with this trade.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I am a big AM fan but I am hesitant about pulling the trigger here. Most of my reasons have already been stated by others.

1. Fear of disrupting chemistry

2. Fear of stunting Haywood's and Kwame's growth

3. Trading young for old

Sure, we had a bad defensive game against Denver and we are doing poorly defensively overall, but I would be afraid of upsetting the balance of the team with this trade.

we may only have to trade a pick for him, no players, NJ wants out of that deal

[Bugs']

Second-rounder? I don't even know what picks we have next year...do we have the full allotment?

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'
Second-rounder? I don't even know what picks we have next year...do we have the full allotment?

give them the guard from spain we never see :D

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma


give them the guard from spain we never see :D

I didn't even know we had a guard from Spain!! :laugh:

I know we have that huge man-child center Peter John Ramos (I think that's his name), I think he is from Spain.

[Renegade7]

Chemistry or not, we're getting our butts handed to us in the paint. We can outscored people in the east, but we can't play D. We can only go so far if we can't stop anybody. We shouldn't have to give up that much for Mourning anyway. Our we could just give him that tall guy who never smiles or plays.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by Renegade7
Chemistry or not, we're getting our butts handed to us in the paint. We can outscored people in the east, but we can't play D. We can only go so far if we can't stop anybody. We shouldn't have to give up that much for Mourning anyway. Our we could just give him that tall guy who never smiles or plays.

That tall guy is Peter John Ramos! Hehe, I have noticed that he never smiles too....he also has the sleepy eyes, like we are bothering him by asking him to stay awake long enough to sit and watch a basketball game while he's getting paid.....

I have an idea, let's go in our time machine and resign Ben freakin Wallace! That would solidify our problems in the paint....stupid, stupid, stupid....:redpunch:

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'


That tall guy is Peter John Ramos! Hehe, I have noticed that he never smiles too....he also has the sleepy eyes, like we are bothering him by asking him to stay awake long enough to sit and watch a basketball game while he's getting paid.....

I have an idea, let's go in our time machine and resign Ben freakin Wallace! That would solidify our problems in the paint....stupid, stupid, stupid....:redpunch:

But then the best center ever to be a bullet/wizard would never have happened ;) :doh: :puke:

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma


But then the best center ever to be a bullet/wizard would never have happened ;) :doh: :puke:

Sad but true!!:fortune:

[Gamebreaker]

I don't even think we can handle Mourning's contract. I'd rather we use what cap space we'll have in the future on an actual integral part of making this team really good then wasting it on a player who has very little left in his playing career.

[Funkyalligator]

There is no way we should get Mourning...he is old and his contract is for too much...additionally he won't be able to play the style of basketball we play here with a lot of running.....too slow now......I would be up for trading the rights to Juan Carlos Navaro for a 2nd rounder if we could....additionally I think the John Peter Ramos could turn into a great player for us....he is only 19 and is still developing his game.....

[Bugs']

Originally posted by Funkyalligator
There is no way we should get Mourning...he is old and his contract is for too much...additionally he won't be able to play the style of basketball we play here with a lot of running.....too slow now......I would be up for trading the rights to Juan Carlos Navaro for a 2nd rounder if we could....additionally I think the John Peter Ramos could turn into a great player for us....he is only 19 and is still developing his game.....

Ramos is huge and thick and mobile.....he could end up being a good defensive players against the likes of Shaq....Juan Carlos Navaro, I havn't seen him play so can't say much about him....I say keep them team as it is....why mess with a good thing!

Let's go Wiz vs. the Knicks tonight!!

[Renegade7]

Originally posted by Bugs'


Ramos is huge and thick and mobile.....he could end up being a good defensive players against the likes of Shaq....Juan Carlos Navaro, I havn't seen him play so can't say much about him....I say keep them team as it is....why mess with a good thing!

Let's go Wiz vs. the Knicks tonight!!

Could doesn't mean anything. He's not even playing. :doh:

[Bugs']

Originally posted by Renegade7


Could doesn't mean anything. He's not even playing. :doh:

Good point, and that probably won't improve as Kwame gets in game shape and Etan comes back......but, he is only 19 and I have seen him play in a few games earlier this year and he did play solid defense and had a nice soft touch within 12 feet....but that was in limited, garbage time....But if you look at the kid he has the body to match up with Shaq....don't know about the skill.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I am a big AM fan but I am hesitant about pulling the trigger here. Most of my reasons have already been stated by others.

1. Fear of disrupting chemistry

2. Fear of stunting Haywood's and Kwame's growth

3. Trading young for old

Sure, we had a bad defensive game against Denver and we are doing poorly defensively overall, but I would be afraid of upsetting the balance of the team with this trade.

It's a valid point. We'll have to see how things develop. When is the trading deadline. If we had to do it today, I wouldn't but if in a month, we see a more clear picture of what we need and it's AM, then we should maybe pull this deal.

[hands11]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_10085.shtml

Feb 24th is the deadline.

We have a plenty of time to evaluated what we have before we need to worry about what we need to do. We will have a more complete picture by the end Jan.

At this point, we don't have enough information to make any quality suggestions. We will play what we have and see how it comes together. I would hope Haywood, Kwame, Etan, Raymos and Jefferies show enough progress by then that we don't need to do anything. We shouldn't go young for old if we don't have to. If we do add someone like a Mouring, I don't mind lossing a draft pick to do it, because we shouldn't need to use them for while. I suggested we save our draft picks for a while while this young team grows. We already have young talented back ups and practive squad players who haven't even had a chance to show what they can do. Why add more throught the draft. You only have so many slots on a team. Adding someone means loosing someone.

We should trade next years pick for future picks so we have them when we need them. We are just so loaded with young talent that needs time, it doesn't make much sense to add more young talent until we know what we have. Grow your own. It's better and cheaper.

It's good to see whats out there in case we need it though.