Tracking the X Wiz. Some are still our boys

[hands11]

Yes, Bobby Simmons.

This was one of my boys. I used to say PLAY HIM, but I got slammed. Usually these kind of players never get a chance to play so I can never get to prove my predictions correct. Well, Im happy someone gave him a chance. He was a quality guy. Even though he didn't play much, he was never afraid to be a leader on a heartless Wizard team. He had good fundimentals and great attitude.

Why didn't we let him play more. We had all these injuries. He always showed me game and heart and he has nice size at 6-6 228. He is a true Wizard but now he is gone. He could have contributed more for us if we played him more.
He just needed some more court time. He played a great SF/G

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bobby_simmons/index.html?nav=page

Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.558) Ranks #9 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.917)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Minutes Played(687.0) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(361.0)


3rd leading scorer on the team at 16 ppg 558 % FG 3 pointer 529% FT 91.7% 6.30 Rebounds ( wow )

http://www.nba.com/clippers/stats/index.html

I hope we got something for him. NOT.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3551
Look at his last 5 games. He did this against some good teams.

Here are the number for Hayes. Granted, he is only a second year players, but we could have Simmon probably for little to no money and he seems to already have developed. Actually, we drafted Hayes the year we let Simmon go. This was before our new GM was in charge.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3713

I think these days are finally behind us now that we have a more solidified front office and lineup. To bad, I really liked Bobby. I hope this isnt another Wallace deal where we have a gem riding the bench, let him go for nothing and he becomes an all star.

[jbooma]

why are we crying over spilt milk :)

[Drex]

Simmons is actually on one of my fantasy teams, so I am pleased to say that his production this season has been quite a positive :)

I think Simmons was one of those players who just got caught up in the numbers game, and needed to go elsewhere to get an opportunity to prove his mettle. The knee injury to Kerry Kittles has enabled Simmons the opportunity to step in and prove that he is a solid player in this league.

[Funkyalligator]

I did like Bobby Simmons myself but I am happy with what we have here.....its not like he was a high draft pick of ours....give me a break..........

[bofluid]

He really did show signs of breaking out his last year here. I remember he had a great game on the road in Boston. At least the Wiz weren't the only team that misjudged his abilities.

[afparent]

Ok, I liked his game too, but wasn't he tight with MJ?

[Gamebreaker]

I still think Hayes will develop into a much better player than Simmons. He probably already has.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
I still think Hayes will develop into a much better player than Simmons. He probably already has.

Um, maybe, but RIGHT NOW Simmons is playing really well and he seems to also be a LEADER of that team(which is also playing well.)

Simmons was a Jordan pick and I liked him too at the time. He just never got the real shot.

That's not to say Hayes is some kind of waste, only mentioning that Simmons is niiiiice.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma
why are we crying over spilt milk :)

Nice contribution to the board.

Piss off.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
I still think Hayes will develop into a much better player than Simmons. He probably already has.

The stats say otherwise.
We have to see what happens in the long run.

Im not saying anything bad about Hayes. My post was about Simmons. A player we already had before we drafted Hayes but never gave a shot.

I liked him here and Im happy that someone gave him a shot to prove his worth.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by hands11


Nice contribution to the board.

Piss off.

Me, you should look at yourself first you are complaining about something that can't be changed. If we was an MJ guy when why would he want to be here? Maybe he is playing better now because he is in an environment he wanted to be in which isn't DC. So instead of crying about personal issues why don't you talk about realistic thoughts, and yes you can piss off as well :)

Let me guess you are still mad that Webber, Howard, Wallace, and Rip are all gone too, well when you stop moping around and you want to discuss the team we have (which was currently #1 in the east) then you can join.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


Me, you should look at yourself first you are complaining about something that can't be changed. If we was an MJ guy when why would he want to be here? Maybe he is playing better now because he is in an environment he wanted to be in which isn't DC. So instead of crying about personal issues why don't you talk about realistic thoughts, and yes you can piss off as well :)

Let me guess you are still mad that Webber, Howard, Wallace, and Rip are all gone too, well when you stop moping around and you want to discuss the team we have (which was currently #1 in the east) then you can join.

I have no idea where you are getting this complaining and crying stuff from. I simply made a post about a past player of ours that I liked, who is doing well, and who we should have given more of a chance. I happy for him doing well where ever he is and I don't think we will make this kind of mistake often in the future.

No crying
No complaining.
No mopping.

I do plently of postiing about the current team.

Dude, sounds like you have some personal issues to deal with.
How did you read that out of what I wrote.

I was just highlighting one of our own. An underdog. I recent player and how well he is doing.

I didn't bring up any of these players. That is such old news. All except Rip who is somewhat current but ya, that was a stupid move also.

Hey, If you don't what to contribute in any possitive way to one of my posts, then don't. Not sure why you turned this into a complaining thing or care to try to control what people are posting about.

I was just pointing this out to people who liked Simmons and were not aware of how well he was doing.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by hands11


I have no idea where you are getting this complaining and crying stuff from. I simply made a post about a past player of ours that I liked, who is doing well, and who we should have given more of a chance. I happy for him doing well where ever he is and I don't think we will make this kind of mistake often in the future.

No crying
No complaining.
No mopping.

I do plently of postiing about the current team.

Dude, sounds like you have some personal issues to deal with.
How did you read that out of what I wrote.

I was just highlighting one of our own. An underdog. I recent player and how well he is doing.

I didn't bring up any of these players. That is such old news. All except Rip who is somewhat current but ya, that was a stupid move also.

Hey, If you don't what to contribute in any possitive way to one of my posts, then don't. Not sure why you turned this into a complaining thing or care to try to control what people are posting about.

I was just pointing this out to people who liked Simmons and were not aware of how well he was doing.

hmm well maybe i reponded that away because of what you wrote in your original response :)

my first post wan't meant to make you mad

[TODD]

hands, chill out buddy. See that :) there. That means take it lightly.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by TODD
hands, chill out buddy. See that :) there. That means take it lightly.

he is ony up to 295 posts so we will give him a break this time, only this time :D

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma


he is ony up to 295 posts so we will give him a break this time, only this time :D


Hey, at least Hands has some passion...which is more than I can say for Kwame right now!:laugh:

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'



Hey, at least Hands has some passion...which is more than I can say for Kwame right now!:laugh:

he got kicked out of a game and now suspended this is passion man :laugh: :laugh: :cheers:

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


he got kicked out of a game and now suspended this is passion man :laugh: :laugh: :cheers:

Go Kwame.

Hey, I'll take misdirected passion over non at this point. :notworthy

First he needs fire, then Jordan, Jams, Gil, Hughes and Haywood can help him direct it. To bad Etan isnt playing. I think he gets along well with Etan and Etan is all about passion and drive.

Haywood had a nice game against the Knicks. Now he has to learn to do it for 2-3 games in a row. I saw something in him tonight that made me feel like he may actually achieve more of his potential.

In the past, Ive heard coaches/comentator say, he reminds them of a young R Parrish. Wouldn't that be a dream if that's what he can become. He needs Robert's passion and drive to get there.

With Etan and Kwame healthy and productive, we could be something similar to an Indi type team. We have so much talent we haven't even seen yet. We are very young and good now.
What if we get some major improvement from Kwame, Etan, Blake, Dixon, and Raymos in a year or so, Jefferies is looking better also.

We could end up being amazing next year.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


he is ony up to 295 posts so we will give him a break this time, only this time :D

Jbooma,

Come on man. You not really pulling the posting number on me.
Dude. I have already cut my teeth with accurate predictions and YES, in only 300 posts.

[hands11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=241221012

Wow, look at him go.

50 Min 30 pts on 50% shooting.

We should see if we can get him back. We can give them Hayes.
You think they will go for that ?

Who said he didnt show any sign of being good when he played for us. I saw it when we played him. He only got 11min per game average.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3713

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3713

Hayes got more min from the start. 27 min per game.

Lets hope Hayes finally comes around after more time but it would be hard to beat what Simmons is already doing.

[Bugs']

Simmons is a starter in LA, he wouldn't be here...I'm sure he is very happy where he is now....I doubt the Wizards brass would trade their 1st round draft pick #10 overall for a guy they just let go....wouldn't make them look too good, even though Simmons is a better player than Hayes right now...:twitch:

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'
Simmons is a starter in LA, he wouldn't be here...I'm sure he is very happy where he is now....I doubt the Wizards brass would trade their 1st round draft pick #10 overall for a guy they just let go....wouldn't make them look too good, even though Simmons is a better player than Hayes right now...:twitch:

I didnt really think they would do it. I was just cutting up to make a point. We had more in Simmons then we do in Hayes.
We were a bad team, so we kept drafting more young guys before we let the young guys we had get better. Thats why I propose we don't draft anyone next year, unless its a home run sure thing. We should collect of picks and use them later when we actually need them.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by hands11


I didnt really think they would do it. I was just cutting up to make a point. We had more in Simmons then we do in Hayes.
We were a bad team, so we kept drafting more young guys before we let the young guys we had get better. Thats why I propose we don't draft anyone next year, unless its a home run sure thing. We should collect of picks and use them later when we actually need them.

I don't know...I can see your point and am definately in favor of looking at our young players before we let them go be stars somewhere else....some people who say to bench Hayes and not play Hayes does not buy into your philosophy then....how will we find out if Hayes is going to be a star or a solid player if he sits? The problem we are going to run into that we have mentioned in another thread is that the minutes are going to start being a problem soon with Etan and Stevie coming back....it will be hard to look at a Profit or a Ramos when you have ten guys ahead of them in the rotation....:doh:

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'


I don't know...I can see your point and am definately in favor of looking at our young players before we let them go be stars somewhere else....some people who say to bench Hayes and not play Hayes does not buy into your philosophy then....how will we find out if Hayes is going to be a star or a solid player if he sits? The problem we are going to run into that we have mentioned in another thread is that the minutes are going to start being a problem soon with Etan and Stevie coming back....it will be hard to look at a Profit or a Ramos when you have ten guys ahead of them in the rotation....:doh:

All they will get are minute here and there plus garage minutes until someone is in foul trouble or someone gets hurt. Thats when you get to prove yourselve. Us not playing Simmons wasnt because thier werent minutes. We just choose to play other players. Kind of like Jefferies getting so many minutes last year. When you dont have a proven productive starter, you should share minutes across players, when you do, they just have to wait thier turn.

We are in a different situation now then before. Blake and Etan are the players who have earned the minutes and who we need to see develop. Hayes has been provided enough of a shot for now, he should have to wait until something changes, someone goes down, before he gets more minutes to prove himself. It may actually be good for him to sit. He can refocus without the spotlight. Relearn how hungry he is for this thing. Blake, Etan and Kwame are living that after coming off injury. Hayes needed to take advantage of his shot and he didnt.

[Bugs']

I think you need to give Hayes more of a look...he was the #10 overall pick in 2003 and they should give him a chance to work out of his slump...that could go along way in rebuilding his confidence...if you sit him now and take him out of the rotation you are risking hurting his confidence long-term....maybe cut his minutes some but let's not limit him to only 8-10 minutes a game yet...

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I think you need to give Hayes more of a look...he was the #10 overall pick in 2003 and they should give him a chance to work out of his slump...that could go along way in rebuilding his confidence...if you sit him now and take him out of the rotation you are risking hurting his confidence long-term....maybe cut his minutes some but let's not limit him to only 8-10 minutes a game yet...

Well, it's looks like we disagree. That's Ok. I hear you point.

I guess the way I see it is this. Winning comes first. Winning long term comes second. You owe it to every other player on the team to play the best players and win.

We have other players to look at. I don't care when someone was drafted. That's the mistake we make with Simmon and Wallace.

Besides, it's not just that he is in a slump. I look at other things in a player. You get a sence of someone. Hayes is to soft.
He may be able to shot, but he isnt a gamer. That why his defense sucks.

He runs around smiling all the time. Even when he is playing bad and we are loosing. I saw him do it again tonight. I don't like that. Hey, Im sure he is a really nice guy. He seems sweet.

I want a player with the focus and drive of a Dixon. He is like ice. You can see the desire in his eyes. Hughes has the same look. He isnt looking to be anyones friend. He wants to broke you. Simmon, Blake, Profit, Etan, they all have that look. Man, Garnett really has it. Cassell and Sprewell have it. Laron, B King, J Oneal, they all have it.

You can see it in a players eyes. Hayes doesnt have it.
He may have to have the game taken away from him by injury like Jefferies before he toughen up and realizes what going on. I think being soft on him is exactly the wrong thing to do.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by hands11


Well, it's looks like we disagree. That's Ok. I hear you point.

I guess the way I see it is this. Winning comes first. Winning long term comes second. You owe it to every other player on the team to play the best players and win.

We have other players to look at. I don't care when someone was drafted. That's the mistake we make with Simmon and Wallace.

Besides, it's not just that he is in a slump. I look at other things in a player. You get a sence of someone. Hayes is to soft.
He may be able to shot, but he isnt a gamer. That why his defense sucks.

He runs around smiling all the time. Even when he is playing bad and we are loosing. I saw him do it again tonight. I don't like that. Hey, Im sure he is a really nice guy. He seems sweet.

I want a player with the focus and drive of a Dixon. He is like ice. You can see the desire in his eyes. Hughes has the same look. He isnt looking to be anyones friend. He wants to broke you. Simmon, Blake, Profit, Etan, they all have that look. Man, Garnett really has it. Cassell and Sprewell have it. Laron, B King, J Oneal, they all have it.

You can see it in a players eyes. Hayes doesnt have it.
He may have to have the game taken away from him by injury like Jefferies before he toughen up and realizes what going on. I think being soft on him is exactly the wrong thing to do.

I don't care if they are smiling, laughing, or crying....I just care about results...I just think we need to let Hayes continue to develop, he is still very young! One player I am getting fed up with is Dixon....he just chucks the ball up whenever he gets it....he doesn't always take good shots and is too excited about hitting the threes...I say give him less minutes and give Profit a look...

[hands11]

How is that any different then what Hayes does.

At least be consistant.

It just so happens Dixon is chucking up more balls that go in then Hayes, so if anyone should get less minutes by your logic, it would be Hayes.

Jarvis Hayes .349 .220
Juan Dixon .399 .367

and one more thing.

Atl

Dixon 14MIN 6-10 3-4 15pts - Nice chucking
Hayes 26MIN 2-8 0-2 6pts - Not so nice.

Is Hayes our new Kwame. Everyone wants to give him a chance.
If he is hurt, rest him. If he is this bad, sit him.

He's not even better then Dixon, and most people don't have any problem busting on Dixon. Hayes can't play good D. What does everyone like about him. Your right, I would rather see some new players for now. Bring in Ramos, swing the players around to play Hayes's minutes. Run Blake, Gil and Hughes.
Gil, Hughes and Profit Position: G-F

Why pull Dixons minutes. He only averages 13.7. Hayes is getting 27.7. I say half of those should go to profit. Lets see the kid.

Give Ramos some of Ruffins minutes M. Ruffin 18.4.
23 against ATL
20 Celtics
28 DET

How can you not give Ramos some of these minutes. We are short on bigs. This is where Jordan drives me nuts.

[hands11]

I don't care if they are smiling, laughing, or crying....I just care about results...


You obviously don't understand what I'm talking about them.
Have you every been any good at any sport ?
And you don't care about results or you wouldn't be asking to give Hayes minutes right now. Because he isnt giving us results.
We at least not good ones.

There is a coorilation here. Yeah, Magic smiles but at the right time. He mostly had his game face on. It's called consentration, desire, focus, intimidation. You can see it on someone face. Your face is a window. You don't know this? How old are you ?

I know of no one who has the focus and heart Im talking about that runs around like a smiley girl like Hayes does when they are loosing or he is playing poorly.

Randy Moss. Singletary, Jordan, Shaq, Gil, Hughes, Jamison. Name me one great player that did this smiling, laughing, crying thing your talking about during a game they are loosing or playing poorly in.

They don't. That was my point. Actually, no one else on the team does it. He is the biggest wooos we have on the team.
Voted, most likely to get punked by a girlscout.

Maybe Ill do a poll to prove my point.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by hands11
How is that any different then what Hayes does.

At least be consistant.

It just so happens Dixon is chucking up more balls that go in then Hayes, so if anyone should get less minutes by your logic, it would be Hayes.

Jarvis Hayes .349 .220
Juan Dixon .399 .367

and one more thing.

Atl

Dixon 14MIN 6-10 3-4 15pts - Nice chucking
Hayes 26MIN 2-8 0-2 6pts - Not so nice.

Is Hayes our new Kwame. Everyone wants to give him a chance.
If he is hurt, rest him. If he is this bad, sit him.

He's not even better then Dixon, and most people don't have any problem busting on Dixon. Hayes can't play good D. What does everyone like about him. Your right, I would rather see some new players for now. Bring in Ramos, swing the players around to play Hayes's minutes. Run Blake, Gil and Hughes.
Gil, Hughes and Profit Position: G-F

Why pull Dixons minutes. He only averages 13.7. Hayes is getting 27.7. I say half of those should go to profit. Lets see the kid.

Give Ramos some of Ruffins minutes M. Ruffin 18.4.
23 against ATL
20 Celtics
28 DET

How can you not give Ramos some of these minutes. We are short on bigs. This is where Jordan drives me nuts.

Well, it's been 9 days since I posted that hands11...I can't predict the future as far as the Atlanta game and others that happened since 12/27/04 :laugh: I think Hayes should be shutdown right now and given time to have an operation on his hand or time to heal it....it is not his fault that he is not shooting well, he has admitted to the team and everyone that he is hurting and his shot is effected...EJ and EG should shut him down for now....Dixon takes wild shots, when he is not open...at least Jarvis takes open shots off of picks, even though he is not making them right now....and Dixon is not making more baskets than Jarvis...274 points for Hayes only 173 points for Dixon....and IMO Hayes is not our worst defender on the team....if you isolate him and watch him closely his not bad at all, like others (Arenas).
If your going to try to tear my post up....at least do it in a timely manner when the information is recent ;)

[Bugs']

Originally posted by hands11
I don't care if they are smiling, laughing, or crying....I just care about results...


You obviously don't understand what I'm talking about them.
Have you every been any good at any sport ?
And you don't care about results or you wouldn't be asking to give Hayes minutes right now. Because he isnt giving us results.
We at least not good ones.

There is a coorilation here. Yeah, Magic smiles but at the right time. He mostly had his game face on. It's called consentration, desire, focus, intimidation. You can see it on someone face. Your face is a window. You don't know this? How old are you ?

I know of no one who has the focus and heart Im talking about that runs around like a smiley girl like Hayes does when they are loosing or he is playing poorly.

Randy Moss. Singletary, Jordan, Shaq, Gil, Hughes, Jamison. Name me one great player that did this smiling, laughing, crying thing your talking about during a game they are loosing or playing poorly in.

They don't. That was my point. Actually, no one else on the team does it. He is the biggest wooos we have on the team.
Voted, most likely to get punked by a girlscout.

Maybe Ill do a poll to prove my point.

Let me address your post point by point.

Yes, I was a very good baseball player in high school and college.

I do care about results and at the time I posted that I want Hayes to get minutes was 12/27/04 when it wasn't obvious of how serious his injury was and that it was effecting his game. At this time I feel like he should be shut down until he heals properly, then I believe you get him right back in the rotation for 17-23 minutes a game.

I am 32 years old.

I remember seeing Jordan, Magic Johnson, Emmitt Smith, Brett Favre, Reggie White, Isiaha Thomas, and others smiling whether they are winning or losing....smiling, or frowning to me has nothing to do with being a competitive bad @ss. I have played basketball, baseball, and soccer, and I have seen people smile and get in your face or frown and scream....I see no correlation, and I have not been close enough or have the talent to read what's in someone's heart...and I doubt you can either. And come to think of it I have seen Hughes with a little smirk on his face quite a bit....but we can overlook that because he is producing right? :doh: