Kwame Suspended....

[bofluid]

For tomorrow's game against New York. I don't have a link yet, but supposedly he and Eddie Jordan had a disagreement last night during the game. That's why Kwame did not play much.

[afparent]

What???? come on Kwame...listen to the coach!

[jbooma]

at least he has fire now :)

[RedskinsNation]

W/out Kwame we have been a very good team...w/Kwame I think we WILL be an even better team...

But Kwame needs to earn his role w/this team and obviously that was the content of the argument...

[hands11]

Originally posted by RedskinsNation
W/out Kwame we have been a very good team...w/Kwame I think we WILL be an even better team...

But Kwame needs to earn his role w/this team and obviously that was the content of the argument...

Wow, Jordan is laying down the law. Kwame better get in line.
Jams, Gil and Hughes need to have a sit down with him.

[hands11]

looks like Blake is out again

http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/blake_041208.html

Wizards President of Basketball Operations Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has placed guard Steve Blake on the injured list with an arch strain in his left foot. In addition, the team has activated guard Laron Profit from the injured list.

[jbooma]

any news why Kwame was suspended??

[bofluid]

http://wizards.realgm.com/showarticle.php?artid=237

Wizards Suspend Kwame Brown

By Kevin Broom

December 9, 2004

According to sources close to the team, the Washington Wizards have suspended Kwame Brown one game for a dispute with head coach Eddie Jordan during Wednesday’s home loss to the Denver Nuggets.

Brown, recently activated from the injured list and working his way back into game shape, entered the game in the second quarter and drew Jordan’s ire by failing to carry out defensive assignments. Witnesses said that Brown walked away from an irate Jordan during a timeout, and then refused to rejoin the huddle despite requests from teammates and coaches. Brown remained in the lineup for several more minutes, but was left on the bench throughout the second half.

Brown, who is in the final year of his contract and could become a free agent at season’s end, missed the team’s first 12 games as he recovered from surgery to repair a broken bone in his right foot.

Kevin Broom is a senior writer at RealGM.com and columnist for WizFans.com. He can be reached at kevinbroom@realgm.com.

[Skinned]

I was totally wondering that last night! He seemed to play well on the offensive end when he was in; nobody played well on the defensive side. I can't remember a team getting cherry-picked that bad since.......my high school team! I am confused between why more teams don't do it and how it even succeeded on the pro-level? It was truly atrocious watching the Nuggets huck the ball downcourt in 2 seconds after every Wizards miss.... :mad:

[SkinsHokieFan]

I was at the game last night and I saw that.

Kwame was doing alright on the offensive end and you could see the difference he was on defense.

But, the Nuggets were scoring at will in the 2nd quarter and at times it seemed like our team did not have the "passion" to play D.

Eddie called a TO. During the TO he went to talk to Kwame, you could tell the discussion was heated and Kwame simply walked away and walked towards the free throw line and stood there during the entire time out.

He didn't play much after that point and my friend and I were wondering why.

[luckydevil]

sportstalk 980 just reported it

[Gamebreaker]

Kwame seems to be the type of person who doesn't take public humility very well. Jordan needed to get on him if he was loafing on D. But we also have to take in consideration he isn't in shape like these other guys are, and NOBODY was playing well on defense. Regardless, you have to show your coach more respect than that.

I doubt they'll be much more of this in the future.

[bulldog]

Brown doesn't seem to realize he is in the 'audition' year for a new contract. Grunfeld didn't work out a new deal for Brown yet because Brown still has to prove he is a core player for this team for the future.

He isn't a 19 year old rookie anymore and has to pick up his game and his attitude.

[DSF]

So let me get this right...

A loss to Denver.
Blake back on the IL
Brown suspended

Heh, be interesting to see how the Wizards respond. More so Kwame from this point on.

But I have to say there are times I absolutely hate EJ. Arenas all last season gave Jordan problems and he put up with his fits such as the time when Arenas refused to shoot. Yet Kwame does this one thing and hes publicly hung out to dry by the organization?

Did anyone watch the game? None and I repeat none of the Wizards looked to be playing defense that game. To single out a star who played only 6 minutes who is also coming off the IL for a defensive lapse seems a bit trite to me. Especially since it was just one play that Jordan blew up about when there were an abundant amount of bad defensive plays in that game.

We'll see how they do against the Knicks now.

[bigricky3469]

Brown doesn't seem to realize he is in the 'audition' year for a new contract. Grunfeld didn't work out a new deal for Brown yet because Brown still has to prove he is a core player for this team for the future.

Actually he was offered a contract but turned it down. he knows he's in a contract year but weather he plays well or not he knows he'll recieve something huge for someone. This league has very few decent big men and some one will pay up the yang yang for his services and just hope for the best. The kid still has a lot of up side to him, he's only 22.

[TODD]

Ugh. Will he ever grow up?

[js79]

forreal.. its amazing how much you guys defend him.. he's not THAT good, he has potential but he's not a CORE part of this team. they won without him..

he needs to get his damn head on straight and be a team player.. jesus, the patience with him is just so thin right now

[jbooma]

i am wondering if he is doing this because he doesn't want to be here, this kid will be jermaine o'neal, he will blow up somewhere except DC and he might have decided he doesn't want to be here

the fact they were winning without him must have been the final straw, who knows

[Bugs']

Let's get a couple things straight....

1. Kwame is not a star or even close

2. I am sick of him being labeled "has potential" or "upside"


The problem is that there was so much hype surrounding his drafting that he believes that he is a star. He has the star mentality but has not backed it up on the court. I personally, have given up on him as being that star. I think he might turn out to be a serviceable 10 pt. 8 rbds a game player. If I had to choose between him and Etan it wouldn't be Kwame....

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by DSF

But I have to say there are times I absolutely hate EJ. Arenas all last season gave Jordan problems and he put up with his fits such as the time when Arenas refused to shoot. Yet Kwame does this one thing and hes publicly hung out to dry by the organization?

Did anyone watch the game? None and I repeat none of the Wizards looked to be playing defense that game. To single out a star who played only 6 minutes who is also coming off the IL for a defensive lapse seems a bit trite to me. Especially since it was just one play that Jordan blew up about when there were an abundant amount of bad defensive plays in that game.

You are assuming.

How do you know EJ didn't call anyone else out? I'm sure he did. Maybe Kwame just reacted differently than anyone else.

EJ knows exactly what he is doing. You don't disrespect a coach during a game in the middle of a time-out in the huddle. You lose a team by not putting your foot down. EJ did the right thing.

I love Kwame, but this BS has got to stop. He needs to grow up. It happened with Collins and now it looks as if it's happening with Jordan. A team is a team for a reason. Kwame needs to learn what those reasons are.

[bofluid]

Originally posted by Bugs'
Let's get a couple things straight....

1. Kwame is not a star or even close

2. I am sick of him being labeled "has potential" or "upside"


The problem is that there was so much hype surrounding his drafting that he believes that he is a star. He has the star mentality but has not backed it up on the court. I personally, have given up on him as being that star. I think he might turn out to be a serviceable 10 pt. 8 rbds a game player. If I had to choose between him and Etan it wouldn't be Kwame....

I'm pissed at Kwame to, but the word potential has to be used with him. He put up 11 pts. and 7 boards a game in just 30 minutes a game. In addition, he was only 21 last season. If you surveyed every GM in the game they would take Kwame over Etan.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


You are assuming.

How do you know EJ didn't call anyone else out? I'm sure he did. Maybe Kwame just reacted differently than anyone else.

EJ knows exactly what he is doing. You don't disrespect a coach during a game in the middle of a time-out in the huddle. You lose a team by not putting your foot down. EJ did the right thing.

I love Kwame, but this BS has got to stop. He needs to grow up. It happened with Collins and now it looks as if it's happening with Jordan. A team is a team for a reason. Kwame needs to learn what those reasons are.

I agree, I have a lot of respect for EJ and EG and you can't let players disrespect you like that, especially in front of other players and fans! If you allow it once, it will continue to happen. I hope EJ and EG are here for many years, I like the the developing chemistry and make-up of the team.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by bofluid


I'm pissed at Kwame to, but the word potential has to be used with him. He put up 11 pts. and 7 boards a game in just 30 minutes a game. In addition, he was only 21 last season. If you surveyed every GM in the game they would take Kwame over Etan.

Your right! Every GM probably would take Kwame over Etan...Kwame has been my second favorite player for the last couple of years (KG being the first) but I am just getting tired of waiting for him to "arrive". These behavior issues don't help my patience with him. I would take Etan at this point because we know what we get with him, no attitude and a lot of passion.

[jbooma]

He is 270 7'0 and can score and play defense, he showed at the end of last year that he could get 20, 10 a game, he is good, and will be very good

remember O'neal (pacers) averaged 5 points into his 5th season :D

I just think he is saying all the right stuff to the press but he wants out of here, so if that is case trade to get something back, maybe Mourning :D

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma
He is 270 7'0 and can score and play defense, he showed at the end of last year that he could get 20, 10 a game, he is good, and will be very good

remember O'neal (pacers) averaged 5 points into his 5th season :D

I just think he is saying all the right stuff to the press but he wants out of here, so if that is case trade to get something back, maybe Mourning :D

You've lost your mind Jbooma! Trade Kwame for Zo? Though must protest! I have heard the similiarities between O'neal and Kwame for the past couple of years and hell, I even mentioned them myself, but if he does want out (aka Champ Baily) then we should be able to get something of more value than an aged Zo...

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'


You've lost your mind Jbooma! Trade Kwame for Zo? Though must protest! I have heard the similiarities between O'neal and Kwame for the past couple of years and hell, I even mentioned them myself, but if he does want out (aka Champ Baily) then we should be able to get something of more value than an aged Zo...

that is all i am saying get something for him if he wants out, zo, picks, etc..

the problem is if other teams senses he wants out they won't give much since he i believe is a FA this year

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma


that is all i am saying get something for him if he wants out, zo, picks, etc..

the problem is if other teams senses he wants out they won't give much since he i believe is a FA this year

He is a free agent after this year....and I don't know if he wants out...I would hate to see him leave and become a stud (Please refer to Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Chris Webber, etc.) The curse of Les Boulez.

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'


He is a free agent after this year....and I don't know if he wants out...I would hate to see him leave and become a stud (Please refer to Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Chris Webber, etc.) The curse of Les Boulez.

Kornheiser made a great point the other day he thinks that Kwame doesn't feel attached to this current team since they were winning without him, and because of that and his entire history here he needs a new place to start over.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by jbooma


Kornheiser made a great point the other day he thinks that Kwame doesn't feel attached to this current team since they were winning without him, and because of that and his entire history here he needs a new place to start over.

Let's hope if that is how Kwame really feels that it will change once he starts winning with the team....The Wizards have had patience with him and I would think that he would want to give back to an organization that took a chance and drafted him #1 overall....at least I would.

[Alvin_Walton40]

He doesn't care. He will get a big fat contract after this season from the Wiz or some other team. So he doesn't get a Max contract - let me repeat - he does not care. He will be making millions for the next 10 years anyway you look at it.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by Alvin_Walton40
He doesn't care. He will get a big fat contract after this season from the Wiz or some other team. So he doesn't get a Max contract - let me repeat - he does not care. He will be making millions for the next 10 years anyway you look at it.

I guess your saying he has no pride? Perhaps, but I think he does. Or at least I would hope he does....even though he hasn't shown much of it lately, but he appeared to in the second half of last season.

[fdarugar]

I'm really dissapointed, as I am a big Kwame fan. I cannot defend him on this one. Lets take the Knicks down tonight.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by fdarugar
I'm really dissapointed, as I am a big Kwame fan. I cannot defend him on this one. Lets take the Knicks down tonight.

I second that! :cheers:

[bofluid]

Tonights game is gonna be fun watching our backcourt go against Marbury and Crawford.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Originally posted by bulldog
Brown doesn't seem to realize he is in the 'audition' year for a new contract. Grunfeld didn't work out a new deal for Brown yet because Brown still has to prove he is a core player for this team for the future.
Actually, Kwame was offered a long term deal by Grunfeld.
But he and his agent turned it down.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma
He is 270 7'0 and can score and play defense, he showed at the end of last year that he could get 20, 10 a game, he is good, and will be very good

remember O'neal (pacers) averaged 5 points into his 5th season :D

I just think he is saying all the right stuff to the press but he wants out of here, so if that is case trade to get something back, maybe Mourning :D


We can get a lot more then Mouring for him but, we need to chill for moment. I didnt like hearing about this either, but I think people are jumping the gun.

Lets see how he responds to this. Besides, the most important thing is that he shows improved play. Maybe this will be good in the long run. Jordan did the right thing, now it's time to see if Gil, Hughes and Jams can get him in line. Jordan cant teach this leason alone. Kwame not playing 3 games when he can physically, hurts his team and that means hurting individual player, coaches, etc. who have goals. It also hurts the fans who pay his check. He has to learn he has a responcibility to his teammates and others.

If he gets healthy and starts to produces, we will deal with the growing pains. He is no where near the distraction of players like Artest or Robman, but he has to produce like them and show that heart on the court as well. I understand him not being in shape but he was standing around and not trying as hard as he could. I am no where near worried that he wont come around and produces and be a Wizard for a while.

He must be very frustrated himself. He seems like he was maturing from things I would hear him say. He seems to have worked hard in the offseason. Im sure he is very down because he got injured and his plans have been pushed back. Plus the team is doing well now and he played on so many back teams. Im sure he hates not being a major part of this and he cant physically do it right now. He had high hopes for this season and now he will be lucky to be 70% stength by the end of Dec.

Im sure he realizes he is needed for this team to get to the next level. If they want to be as good as a Denver and Miami, Kwame has to be a major contributor. We won't have Etan for a while most likely.

Remember, not only is he young but he had 2 years of MJ and Collin in his head, then a new coach and system last year where the team sucked and had to deal with Jerry showing a poor example and Gil being a loose cannon and the team in disarray.

He diserves more time under a stable system. This system has rules he needs to learn. We would be stupid to no give him more time considering what he has been through. He has to much upside. Hes big, young, strong, tall, quick, fast, he can be tough, and he's athletic. When healthy he has a quicker first step then probably anyone his size in the league. You dont find that everyday.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Alvin_Walton40
He doesn't care. He will get a big fat contract after this season from the Wiz or some other team. So he doesn't get a Max contract - let me repeat - he does not care. He will be making millions for the next 10 years anyway you look at it.

True, it always come down to money, but if we can pay him well, he would be stupid to not want to be here with a young talented group like this. This team will be a winning. They now have a great GM and it appears a good/great coach. Players want to play for winners and good organization.

If we will pay him, he has more reasons to stay here then to leave.

As of now, I think people are over reacting.