why we loss to Detriot type teams

[hands11]

Here is what I see.

When we go up against teams like this, we loss the effectiveness of half our team. Detriot gets right on you when you bring the ball down. They jump the lanes, block shots. On offense, they pass well, shot well, and have an inside power game.

Here are our player who can actually play this kind of physical playoff type game.

Gil has no problem playing against anyone but he cant do it all himself for a whole game. It looks like 1 on 5 to me. Gil was the only starter who just played his game. No one can stop him. But Billups is that good for them, so its kind of a wash. Now you have 4 other Detriot players who can play and no one left for us who can score.

Hughes can play in this kind of game but he is hurt.

Ruffin can handle it. His game is mostly rebounding so its not like any given style is going to stop him from scoring. He can get his 2 pts against any style team.

Etan can hold his own against teams like this, he is phyiscal anyway but he is still making his comeback.

Haywood can play well, but will aways foul out early in this kind fo physical game because his feet are to slow and he reaches.

Profit could run against a team like this but EJ wont play him.

Well, that about it.

[Chachie]

Originally posted by hands11
Here is what I see.

When we go up against teams like this, we loss the effectiveness of half our team. Detriot gets right on you when you bring the ball down. They jump the lanes, block shots. On offense, they pass well, shot well, and have an inside power game.

Here are our player who can actually play this kind of physical playoff type game.

Gil has no problem playing against anyone but he cant do it all himself for a whole game. It looks like 1 on 5 to me. Gil was the only starter who just played his game. No one can stop him. But Billups is that good for them, so its kind of a wash. Now you have 4 other Detriot players who can play and no one left for us who can score.

Hughes can play in this kind of game but he is hurt.

Ruffin can handle it. His game is mostly rebounding so its not like any given style is going to stop him from scoring. He can get his 2 pts against any style team.

Etan can hold his own against teams like this, he is phyiscal anyway but he is still making his comeback.

Haywood can play well, but will aways foul out early in this kind fo physical game because his feet are to slow and he reaches.

Profit could run against a team like this but EJ wont play him.

Well, that about it.



AJ gets killed by this type of team.
I agree w/ pretty much everything you said and want to add that speed is also a problem for us until Larry gets back. Juan gives us a big burst but our big men are SLOOOOW.

[Warhead36]

They're just too physical and we're a finesse team. It's like we're the Colts and they're the Patriots. They just have the edge right now.

I hope we don't play them in the playoffs. Lets hope they win their division and we get the Magic or Cavs at the 5th seed.

[Skins11]

Jeffries... good god. Every time he got an offensive rebound, he would then dribble it around and dance around RIGHT UNDER THE HOOP, only to get it stolen or rejected. It was pathetic.

[Chachie]

Originally posted by Skins11
Jeffries... good god. Every time he got an offensive rebound, he would then dribble it around and dance around RIGHT UNDER THE HOOP, only to get it stolen or rejected. It was pathetic.

yeah, Jared and Antawn are just a tad small-boned for their current positions and it shows against teams like "Deytwah", but I really like them both. It's amazing how Teyshawn Prince doesn't break bones every game! He is one tough skinny-boy. I think he has speed though, that Jeffries doesn't have.

Hey, these top-tier teams are gonna beat us up this year. I can take it. The success we are enjoying is great for the fans and the team does need to be reminded that they've got a long way to go for "greatness" if they want it bad enough. The physical AND mental toughness of the Pistons is a good example for us and having them in our conference will make us better.

EASTERN CONFERENCE, BABY. We need teams like the Pistons to bring back the respect. Then we knock 'em off the top in a couple years when they get old. :D

[wskin44]

The Pistons are in that top echelon of teams. We are all glad that the Wiz are in the 10 or 12 teams now, but getting to the top 4 or 5 is another thing entirely. Maybe next year.

[triple6mafia]

either way we still got crused along and i'm not happy. we need hughes back to consistently hang with the top teams in the league and hopefully if we see the pistons in the playoffs we'll beat 'em

[Bugs']

We haven't seemed to match-up well with the Pistons in the three games that we have played them this year. I think last night was a combination of several factors. First of all, we were playing an away game on the tail end of a back to back. Secondly, we are playing without Hughes and Kwame. Also, they have a very good inside defensive presence that changed a lot of shots or our shots got blocked. They will be tough to handle if we meet them in the playoffs....Hell, they are the defending champs.

[hands11]

Originally posted by wskin44
The Pistons are in that top echelon of teams. We are all glad that the Wiz are in the 10 or 12 teams now, but getting to the top 4 or 5 is another thing entirely. Maybe next year.

Exactly.

Now that being said, it would be different with Hughes on the court. Then they cant just focus on taking Jamison out of the game, and leave it all up to Gil.

Adding Hughes will lossen things up, then Jamison would be more effective. Probably not as effective as his is against lesser teams but at least we can get 70% of his game instead of 30%.

Now add Kwame and you have the athletic big man to bang with Wallace and Wallace. This will help Haywood and Etan and Jefferies.

I think we can play them a lot better then we did the last 2 games. Earlier in the year at MCI, we really should have beat them, so I know we can if we have all our player.

At full stength I think we win half and half. They have the edge regarding experiece and team play though.

[Bugs']

I think getting Kwame back will help Jamison a lot as well....I really think that he is getting beaten up too much at the PF position and would really be more effective in the SF position on a more full-time basis....I know he plays both PF and SF right now but he is having to go against guys that are a lot bigger than he is....Kwame will help reduce the pounding Antwan has been receiving...

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I think getting Kwame back will help Jamison a lot as well....I really think that he is getting beaten up too much at the PF position and would really be more effective in the SF position on a more full-time basis....I know he plays both PF and SF right now but he is having to go against guys that are a lot bigger than he is....Kwame will help reduce the pounding Antwan has been receiving...

True, but then that opens up another whole in his game. Now he will have to guard the SFs who are mostly quicker then him. This is where Ruffin, Kwame and Etan have to cover his back.

This is why I dont think he is worth the money he gets.
He has some great skills and hes a great guy to have on your teams, but he has some holes in his game. Holes that need covered up by other players or a system. He is nether a complete player at the PF or the SF.

This is why I think Gil and Hughes should be the top paid players on this team. They are the stars. If Hughes was healthy, it would have been him and Gil going to the all star game. Neither of them needs anyone else to do anything for them to play thier games. This is why we have the best back court in the league. Gil has been lighting it up in Hughes absence, but lets not forget, Hughes is just as good as Gil. They are 2 excellent players.

Once Hughes is back and healty, we will be hell to deal with. You cant stop them both. This is what opens things up for Jamison.
Hughes make the defence better. Specially at the end of the game. Now Jamison doesnt have to force things. This is what opens everything up for everyone else. Once we have the 1,2,3 punch going, the whole floor opens up for Hayes, Dixon, Etan, Haywood, etc etc.

We are going to clean up in March. 13-2 :)

We were good before Hughes went out. Gil has grown in his absence. Just putting them together again would be great, but now add Kwame and Etan.

This is going to be sweeeeeet.

[Leonard Washington]

detroit has owned the bullets for the last few years.

[Chachie]

Antawn is worth his weight in dollars. Don't underestimate the maturity and dedication that he applies to this team. He sets a GREAT example for the other players and don't forget- he's capable of 50-point nights.

Big props for AJ. :notworthy

[js79]

i think its kinda unfair to say jamison is overpaid when it seems like he was the spark this team needed to start playing well..

[Skins11]

Originally posted by js79
i think its kinda unfair to say jamison is overpaid when it seems like he was the spark this team needed to start playing well..

Exactly. And the fact that he is so highly paid is the only reason we were able to unload Cancer #1 Jerry Craphouse and Cancer #2 Christian Laettner, since salaries in a trade have to match within a certain percentage of each other. If he were cheaper, we would have been stuck with Stackhouse, Laettner, or the crappy combination of both. Really, nobody should be complaining about Jamison. :rolleyes:

[nfchamp1]

Originally posted by Skins11


Exactly. And the fact that he is so highly paid is the only reason we were able to unload Cancer #1 Jerry Craphouse and Cancer #2 Christian Laettner... :rolleyes:


What exactly did Christian Laettner do as a Wizard player that makes him deserve that reference?

Antawn's strength is his offensive rebounding (has an uncanny ability to jump quickly and release/finish from odd angles). With him playing mostly on the perimeter and shooting long jumpers (unlike at the beginning of the season), he negates his primary strength. His shooting percentage this year is the lowest in his career and his blocks per game his lowest in the last 3 years (not by much though).

The reason we are dominated by teams like Miami and Detroit is becasue they have the mental fortitude to play defence and not let up for 4 quarters.

[Bugs']

I think the holes you are talking about hands11 in Jamison's game are there for several players on our team... it is the man to man facing each other type of defense. I know people (mad4comp) get upset about our defensive schems but I think EJ is trying to come up with ways to help fill in these holes....I personally think AJ has been worth everything and a bag of chips. :laugh:

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie
Antawn is worth his weight in dollars. Don't underestimate the maturity and dedication that he applies to this team. He sets a GREAT example for the other players and don't forget- he's capable of 50-point nights.

Big props for AJ. :notworthy

I dont underestimate that. He is valuable for these reasons and more. It just at some point, we are going to have to start adding up the dollars. We have Hughes to sign and there will be others.

Gil and Hughes have become the leaders and by the end of the year, they well be well established as the leaders. Its unlikely we dont keep Jamison for next year but the year by the year after. He will be pulling in like 15M a year.

This team will be all Gils and Hughes by then plus any other newly established stars. Maybe Kwame. Maybe Ramos is coming on. Hayes. Jefferies. Maybe Etan. Haywood will get better.

After 2006, he has a qualifing offer of 16.3M

Im just saying, this is a boat load to pay for him unless he can become a solid defender. He cant cover the PF down low and he to slow to cover the SF. We needed him badly this year, so its worth it, but as time goes on, I think we will be overpaying him.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Skins11


Exactly. And the fact that he is so highly paid is the only reason we were able to unload Cancer #1 Jerry Craphouse and Cancer #2 Christian Laettner, since salaries in a trade have to match within a certain percentage of each other. If he were cheaper, we would have been stuck with Stackhouse, Laettner, or the crappy combination of both. Really, nobody should be complaining about Jamison. :rolleyes:

Sure that is true, but thats more a matter of the situation we were in. It really doesnt have anything to do with the independent evaluation of his worth.

I like him. Im glad we got him. I just commenting on his salary compared to other players in the league for what he can do by himself. He totally helped us this year. We wouldnt be where we are without him.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I think the holes you are talking about hands11 in Jamison's game are there for several players on our team... it is the man to man facing each other type of defense. I know people (mad4comp) get upset about our defensive schems but I think EJ is trying to come up with ways to help fill in these holes....I personally think AJ has been worth everything and a bag of chips. :laugh:

True, I think the only total pure stars we have that dont have any wholes are Gil and Hughes. Gil gets some comments on not being a great defender, but he looks good to me and he will get better. He is only 23.

Actually, I think one of the reasons that D doesnt work is because with Jamison and Haywood on the floor, we have 2 players who arent what I would call, quick on thier feet.

Secondly, the team is still probably learning to play together.
Its a team concept playing zone D.

Hey, we dont have to take this any farther. I like Jamison. I dont want to turn this into me slamming Jamison and everyone defendiing him. I like him. If he plays he game, hes great. He makes nice set shots from outside, gets some boards, stabilizes the team, runs the floor, handles the ball.

Its just with Hughes out, I get frustrated. To me, he doesnt add what Gil and Hughes do. They dont need anyone else on the floor to be great. We will be fine one we get Hughes back.