Wizards vs Warriors **OFFICAL GAME THREAD**

[mad4comp]

Yea thats right..i said Offical...:)

*sigh*, look at all the injuries, will we ever be 100%?????


CBS Sportsline Link (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/gamecenter/preview/NBA_20050304_GS@WAS)

GAME: Golden State Warriors (17-40) at Washington Wizards (33-24).

TIME: Friday, 7 p.m. EST.

If they didn't already know, the Washington Wizards saw in their last game just how important a healthy Larry Hughes is to them.

With their most versatile player back in the lineup, the Wizards look to close a three-game homestand with a win when they face the Golden State Warriors, Hughes' former club.

Hughes returned to the lineup in a big way Wednesday, scoring 31 points, grabbing six rebounds and adding four assists in as 101-98 victory over visiting Houston. Despite playing with a splint on his thumb, Hughes had a block and a dunk before the game was two minutes old and made a 3-pointer with 3:16 remaining to give Washington the lead for good.

"You're the only person who knows your body," Hughes said. "I've been around in this league, and I know that you have to take care of yourself. You have to make sure that you're ready to go, and that's really what I did."

The Wizards have won eight straight with Hughes in the lineup, but the previous seven came before he was sidelined after a Jan. 15 victory over Phoenix. His teammates went 9-11 in his absence and had lost five of six before his return.

"It was tough because I feel like our record would've been better if I had played," Hughes said. "We were missing a little bit of that kick, of that edge, when I was out."

Hughes, the league leader with 2.8 steals per game, is the only NBA player averaging more than 20 points (21.5), five rebounds (6.1), five assists (5.3) and 2.5 steals.

Getting Hughes back should only benefit backcourt mate Gilbert Arenas, who had 33 points, eight rebounds and five assists Wednesday. Arenas, however, didn't have any trouble scoring in Hughes' absence, averaging 35.5 points over his last four games.

With 33 wins in their first 57 games, the Wizards have their best record at this point since the 1978-89 team was 39-18.

While Washington is likely headed for the playoffs for the first time since 1997, Golden State has been relegated to the role of spoiler with one of the league's worst records.

The Warriors gave themselves something to build on as they beat Minnesota 99-93 on Wednesday, just their sixth road win in 28 games this season.

Derek Fisher led five starters in double figures with 23 points and Mike Dunleavy added 19 for Golden State, which opened the fourth quarter with a 16-2 run.

"Tonight we showed a lot of character when we were down 11 and kept on fighting," said Jason Richardson, who scored 12 of his 21 points in the fourth quarter.

STANDINGS (through March 2): Warriors - 5th place, 26 GB, Pacific Division. Wizards - 2nd place, 9 GB, Southeast Division.

PROBABLE STARTERS: Warriors - F Dunleavy, F Troy Murphy, C Adonal Foyle, G Richardson, G Fisher. Wizards - F Antawn Jamison, F Kwame Brown, C Brendan Haywood, G Hughes, G Arenas.

TEAM LEADERS: Warriors - Richardson, 22.9 ppg; Murphy, 11.2 rpg; Davis, 7.2 apg. Wizards - Arenas, 25.6 ppg; Jamison, 8.0 rpg; Arenas and Hughes, 5.3 apg.

SEASON SERIES: Wizards, 1-0.

LAST MEETING: Dec. 20; Wizards, 103-101. At Oakland, Calif., Arenas drove the length of the floor and scored with less than a second left to lift the Wizards. He finished with 29 points, seven rebounds and five assists against his former team.

ROAD/HOME RECORDS: Warriors - 6-22 on the road; Wizards - 22-8 at home.

INJURIES: Warriors - None. Wizards - F Jared Jeffries (knee); F Samaki Walker (back); G Juan Dixon (ankle); C Peter John Ramos (foot).

[mad4comp]

Hmmmm...Sportsline gave us 1 extra win..I'll take it!!!! :)
Looks like we already beat GSW on paper. :)

[Diablo23]

I think we can win this with our big 3 in the line-up and Kwame and Haywood playing good ball.

[RedskinsNation]

I would think that this game should be an easy win.....but then you flashback to the other 9-40 teams that we have played and all the games are close...

My thoughts on the Wizards...is that we dont get blown out very much and NEVER at home.

We play up OR down to our opponent...if its the Suns we play hard...if its the Clippers we slack (althought we manage to wins).

Im not expecting a blowout...MAYBE a 10 pt win at most.

[Bugs']

Interesting, I didn't see Jarvis's name on the injury list...

[bofluid]

The likely explanation for Jarvis not being listed as injured is that he's not actually on the injured list. The Wiz don't plan on using him tonight, but they also don't envision Jarvis missing five games as the result of his injury so they neglected to place him on the list.

Guys, watch Troy Murphy tonight. It's unbelievable he averages 11 boards a game given his height deficiency (compared to most 4's) and relative lack of speed.

[thito_da_skins_fan]

There's a (good) chance I'll be at this game sitting directly behind the Warriors bench.

If I'm not posting on this thread during the game, look for me on TV. I'll have on my Dixon (probably the Bullets).

Go Wiz! :cheers:

[bofluid]

Thito, if you make it there be sure to heckle Dunleavy Jr.

[thito_da_skins_fan]

I'm leaving for the game soon. I'll have my orange Bullets #3 on. Dunleavy Jr. better not even look in my direction. ;)

[Bugs']

Originally posted by bofluid
The likely explanation for Jarvis not being listed as injured is that he's not actually on the injured list. The Wiz don't plan on using him tonight, but they also don't envision Jarvis missing five games as the result of his injury so they neglected to place him on the list.



That doesn't make sense to me....unless the injured list is just for those players on "Injured Reserve".....then, that would make sense to me. :)

[Skinned]

Also, Jeffries is supposed to be coming off the injured list and possibly play tonight.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by bofluid
Thito, if you make it there be sure to heckle Dunleavy Jr.

DUKE SUCKS GO TERPS!!!! :)

[Chachie]

They look pretty bad so far. Both teams.

[hands11]

Im telling you, Kwame needs to just rebound and pass it out. He shouldnt be forcing his offense or getting the ball up top to start the weave. Its not working. He messes up the flow up Gil, Hughes and Jamison but posting up or holding the ball.

Just REBOUND, pass the ball and take the easy shots in the flow MR KWAME

[Chachie]

i'm with ya hands. this shooting is lame as well.

[mad4comp]

Our Great 3 point defending at its best.... :/

[Chachie]

The Unseld bobblehead is AWESOME. (and I don't even LIKE bobbleheads.)

[Chachie]

End of the first. We're down 8. Shooting is poor but the big men are rebounding well.

[hands11]

2nd Quarter is going to be different.

[Chachie]

Brendan stepping up tonight! 27-29

[hands11]

Ok, I have a thoery.

We are a PG, SG, SF team.

When we have more then one post player who will try to score, we get out of our flow.

so Ruffin and Haywood is fine.
Kwame and Ruffin is fine.

But Haywood and Kwame gum up the works when both are shotting to much.

So does Kwame and Etan.

Thats why EJ plays Ruffin. He rebounds, plays tough D, and allow his scoring playing to flow.

We can work tword playing Haywood and Kwame together but they need to learn that between the 2 of them, they can try to score to often. Kind of like when Gil doesnt shot so Jamison and Hughes can.

[Chachie]

Nice point. Ruffin does play his role. (When he DOES shoot I cringe.) :)
This IS brendan and Kwame's first start together, right?

[hands11]

Originally posted by Diablo23
I think we can win this with our big 3 in the line-up and Kwame and Haywood playing good ball.

Not if Kwame keeps trying to score so much. He needs to rebound and let Brendan score. He has earned it and his offensive game is better the Kwames right now.

[Chachie]

Originally posted by hands11


Not if Kwame keeps trying to score so much. He needs to rebound and let Brendan score. He has earned it and his offensive game is better the Kwames right now.

It's Brown's 3rd or 4th game back. Give him minutes.

[Chachie]

Larry's in the zone.

[PCRoughrider]

STOP GIVING UP SO MANY OPEN THREE POINTERS!!!!

[hands11]

See that first Kwame move to the hoop was great.
Then he has to come back and force something. He lucky he was fouled or Im sure he would have missed the shot.

Im not sure how we are going to get him to play in the boundries of what the TEAM needs from him.

[Chachie]

It's heating up in here. :)

[mad4comp]

These Bigs blow....if they dont start using the backboard i swear i better not see EJ in a dark alley. How many free throws will we have to miss for EJ to tell the bigs to start using the Backboard....

[Warhead36]

LEARN TO PLAY SOME ****ING DEFENSE.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie


It's Brown's 3rd or 4th game back. Give him minutes.


Its not that Im not giving him a minute, its just I stuggling to believe that he gets what Im talking about. Its just not who he is. He wants to have a game like J O'Neal and thats not what this team needs. We need a B Wallace and Oakley. He can be that if that what he would focus on it.

I dont mind mixing him in, but I dont want to loose doing it.
I have more faith in getting Etan to understand this then Kwame. Besides, Etan is already signed so I think he would sacrific his need to score for the teams overall welfare.

EJ is the head coach. He should be telling him this.

I dont want you to focus on scoring. I want you to focus on defense, block and rebounds. This is your path to stardum and peer respect. Ben is star and he doesnt score a ton, but his team are the champs. Grab 10-12-14-16 boards a night and youll be a household name and well be the best team in the league.

Score if it right in your face. Drive to the hoop, Dunk, but I dont want to see you taking jump shots and posting people up where it takes 5 seconds for you to make your move.

We have the best 1,2,3 in the league. They play in a flow. They can shot from the outside and they drive to the hoop and get fouled. Thats whats got up here. I want you to add to this with your athetic talent and size. Ruffin does great things for this team. This is the type of thing we need you to add. The points will come in the flow. You post game will come later after you have 15-20 games under your belt and the team has adjusted.

This is EJ's job to explain this to him. If he doesnt want to do it, well, then maybe this is the same frusration his other coach had and the reason he gets pulled. If he wont listen. What else can you do but sit him.

[mad4comp]

Im sorry, this team is retarded, they had like 9 turnovers in the begining of the second half already. SOmeone plz inform this team to stop trying to throw it inside, we lost it like 4 times..and they continue to do the same, while theyre at it, inform EJ he is a moron.

[hands11]

No discipline tonight.

Why is Gil forcing so many passes into Kwame.

This is EJ fault. He must not be instructing them to not do this or he is telling to.

Now that's how Kwame needs to get his point. In the flow.

[Chachie]

Jamison is getting schooled. But I disagree with you blaming EJ for everything, Hands! It's GOTTA somehow be the ultimate fault of Mark Brunell.

[Chachie]

Bob Dandridge in da HOUSE. :notworthy

[Chachie]

Originally posted by hands11



Its not that Im not giving him a minute, its just I stuggling to believe that he gets what Im talking about. Its just not who he is. He wants to have a game like J O'Neal and thats not what this team needs. We need a B Wallace and Oakley. He can be that if that what he would focus on it.

I dont mind mixing him in, but I dont want to loose doing it.
I have more faith in getting Etan to understand this then Kwame. Besides, Etan is already signed so I think he would sacrific his need to score for the teams overall welfare.

EJ is the head coach. He should be telling him this.

I dont want you to focus on scoring. I want you to focus on defense, block and rebounds. This is your path to stardum and peer respect. Ben is star and he doesnt score a ton, but his team are the champs. Grab 10-12-14-16 boards a night and youll be a household name and well be the best team in the league.

Score if it right in your face. Drive to the hoop, Dunk, but I dont want to see you taking jump shots and posting people up where it takes 5 seconds for you to make your move.

We have the best 1,2,3 in the league. They play in a flow. They can shot from the outside and they drive to the hoop and get fouled. Thats whats got up here. I want you to add to this with your athetic talent and size. Ruffin does great things for this team. This is the type of thing we need you to add. The points will come in the flow. You post game will come later after you have 15-20 games under your belt and the team has adjusted.

This is EJ's job to explain this to him. If he doesnt want to do it, well, then maybe this is the same frusration his other coach had and the reason he gets pulled. If he wont listen. What else can you do but sit him.

Kwame at power forward is going to be NICE, though. I don't mind force-feeding him a bit to create some standards for him. By standards, I mean that he has really had no time to form his own game-time "go-to" shots. Everyone else has. Your observations are dead-on. I'm just trying to see the method in the madness.

[Warhead36]

I refuse to watch the rest of this game. I threw my remote at the wall and it smashed and broke, and I fear I may break something else the rate this game is going.

[Chachie]

I know. We're getting whipped by GOLDEN STATE. We do have some nice 4th quarters, though. I gotta stick it out.

[mad4comp]

Fire EJ, he is a horrible coach, the same doubleteamming sh*t and were making every GSW player look like Peja. Im sorry but he needs to be fired, this is just plain retarded.

[Bledsoe11Boller7]

Ugh..this game turned ugly quickly. Down by 2 look up a min later we're down 10 :doh:

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie
Jamison is getting schooled. But I disagree with you blaming EJ for everything, Hands! It's GOTTA somehow be the ultimate fault of Mark Brunell.

Did I blame EJ for everything? I thought I blamed Brunell.

[REDALERT]

Yep! we are a SF,SG,PG team. We have people that can score and our big men sometimes screws up the rotation. Why! were a running fast pace team and the half court play doesn't work to Gil,Hughes and jamisons strengths.

Until Kwame gets his wind back as well as his legs. maybe he can get out there and start running a little better without getting winded.

[Chachie]

Calbert Cheaney! ex Bullez.

[Chachie]

Who was talkin' that "10-0 in March" garbage? :)
(We better get busy in the 4th.)

[hands11]

Ruffin is the man. He is playing great.

Hes had 3 blocks.

2 were clean and that last one Dunlevy stuck his arm out for an offensive foul. What do the refs have against this guy. He has to speak up. This silent things isnt getting him better call. If he wont open his month, one of his players has to speak for him or EJ has to do it from the side line.

[Warhead36]

One of these days Ruffin is just going to kirk out and verbally destroy the refs. I'm tellin ya.

[REDALERT]

Originally posted by Chachie
Who was talkin' that "10-0 in March" garbage? :)
(We better get busy in the 4th.)

Really! just because we knock off a surging Rockets team we get excited. Hughes is gonna make a diffrence but the 2nd half of the season is gonna be a b!tch as I expected. And eventhough Hughes is back other teams have a better feel of what the Wiz and EJ are doing. Also, vice-versa toward some teams we might play during the 2nd half that we played already.


Especially with newer big guys in the line-up like Kwame, Ethan and mix that with Haywood. What this does is somewhat slow up the pace of the game or just trying to get our big men involved. What this does is have guys like Gil and Hughes thinking to much. You know, wondering if they should go down low to guys back in the line-up like Kwame.


One again, our big men must rise to the occassion and the only way to do that during the 2nd half of the season is to play those guys. And if their not doing they're parts then it screws up everything. Then, EJ could go small if the big men are screwing up. But that just causes our defense to break down.


So, we can't win for losing in this situation. Either we play our big men to try and get them into the flow of the offense or we get clobbered by going small.

[Warhead36]

Down 13 with 8 minutes or so left. Can we come back?

Ugh I'd figure we'd be up 13 at this stage of the game. This is so ****ing retarded.....

[Warhead36]

Down 8, 6:30 left.....

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie
Who was talkin' that "10-0 in March" garbage? :)
(We better get busy in the 4th.)

Yeah, that was me :cool:

And where are my Blake hatters ?


Beside, I didnt count on Etan with a tummy ache and the refs totally sucking. That dude just walking into Jamison.


Kwame isnt in because he disrupts the offense.

Hey, if we would hit a few FTs we would be winning.

We should still win.

[Warhead36]

10 point game, 6 minutes left....

[Warhead36]

Ugh back up to 11.

We lost.

Can't wait for Buckhantz's DAGGER or BACK BREAKER.

[hands11]

amazing. I dont believe it. That was just terrible.

I cant wait to read all the I hate EJ posts.

[mad4comp]

EJ = fired in my book.. I dont understand how he can seriously do that doubleteamming sh*t over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, and get burned by it everytime. Please hire a 5 year old, at least they'd have the brain power to recognize when something isnt working.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by hands11
amazing. I dont believe it. That was just terrible.

I cant wait to read all the I hate EJ posts.

Look above.

[Warhead36]

I hope Charlotte destroys us by 50.

[mhd24]

EJ is a horrible defensive coach. Just horrible. His man love for Michael Ruffin has got to stop. Kwame was playing well, and what does he get? Nothing. Ruffin will either A) foul, b) give up an offensive rebound, c) airball a free throw, D) all of the above.

[Warhead36]

Good thing is the Cavs are losing too so at least we maintain our lead over them.

But if the Bulls win they're only 2 games behind us.

[Diablo23]

:doh: :puke:

We take these teams too lightly :rolleyes:

[garg8050]

Double teaming is one thing, but all of the zone!!! Give me a break, the Warriors had so many OPEN looks from 3.

And what happened to Brown?? Did he get the quick hook or is that right foot bothering him again? They did show him icing the foot on the sideline but no definitive word from Buckhantz or Chenier. If he's not injured, he sure got the quick hook.

[mhd24]

Michael Ruffin: 26 minutes, 1 pt, 4 rebounds (2 offensive), 1 block.

Kwame Brown: 22 minutes, 9 pts, 9 rebounds (3 offensive), 1 block, 1 stl, 1 assist.


Now EJ lovers, tell again why Ruffin got pt over Kwame?

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie


Kwame at power forward is going to be NICE, though. I don't mind force-feeding him a bit to create some standards for him. By standards, I mean that he has really had no time to form his own game-time "go-to" shots. Everyone else has. Your observations are dead-on. I'm just trying to see the method in the madness.


I do.

This is not the time for that. Its to late in the season. This team has a formula for winning. Its Gil, Hughes and Jamison with Hayood rebounding and scoring 5-10 pts, Dixon off the bench, Jefferies filling in. Etan rebounding. Ruffin scaping.

But mostly its Gil, Hughes and Jamison. Everyone else needs to fill thier roles and just try to not get in the way but add whats needed.

Feeding Kwame doesnt do that and it has to lot to do with why we lost tonight.

[garg8050]

Originally posted by hands11



I do.

This is not the time for that. Its to late in the season. This team has a formula for winning. Its Gil, Hughes and Jamison with Hayood rebounding and scoring 5-10 pts, Dixon off the bench, Jefferies filling in. Etan rebounding. Ruffin scaping.

But mostly its Gil, Hughes and Jamison. Everyone else needs to fill thier roles and just try to not get in the way but add whats needed.

Feeding Kwame doesnt do that and it has to lot to do with why we lost tonight.


Uhhhh, NO.

When Kwame went out in the 2nd half (with about 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter), the Wiz trailed 60-58. He never saw the court again...you do the math.

Secondly, the formula of Hughes/Arenas/Jamison WAS working really well before Hughes' injury. But now, it looks like Jamison has run out of gas. His shooting percentage over the past few games is atrocious, and was starting to fall before the All-Star break. Without a reliable 3rd option or inside presence, this team will fade down the stretch.

[hands11]

Originally posted by mad4comp
Fire EJ, he is a horrible coach, the same doubleteamming sh*t and were making every GSW player look like Peja. Im sorry but he needs to be fired, this is just plain retarded.

15-28 FTs 53.6%

15 TOs. Mostly trying to feed the post.

Wiz, 2nd to last in D

Mad4comp, your a nut brother, but Im feel your pain.

EJ cant be fired right now but he definatly has some wholes in is game. We saw it tonight.

He needs to know who this team is and what makes them win first.

Second, he needs to communicate this to the player.

Everyone seems to play thier roles the way I think would work, except Kwame. The proff is, we start looking like the Wiz with him on the bench.

Start Gil, Hughes, Jamison, Ruffin, Haywood.

When Jefferies come back, start Jefferies.

Those are your starting line ups.

I would only start Kwame if I could get him to agree to play a B Wallace game. Shot holding the ball and trying to be a star. GIl Hughes and Jamison are the stars.

For my first time, Im starting to think Kwame doesnt fit on this team. Its not that I dont think he will be good. Its just he doesnt fit if he want to be J O'Neal. Thats not what we need.

Jefferies is a better fit. And if not Jefferies, find someone like Oakley. We dont needs a scoring focused PF. We just need an athletic touch defender with some offensive skill. Maybe Etan can be this. To bad he was sick tonight.

[mhd24]

Originally posted by hands11


15-28 FTs 53.6%

15 TOs. Mostly trying to feed the post.

Wiz, 2nd to last in D

Mad4comp, your a nut brother, but Im feel your pain.

EJ cant be fired right now but he definatly has some wholes in is game. We saw it tonight.

He needs to know who this team is and what makes them win first.

Second, he needs to communicate this to the player.

Everyone seems to play thier roles the way I think would work, except Kwame. The proff is, we start looking like the Wiz with him on the bench.

Start Gil, Hughes, Jamison, Ruffin, Haywood.

When Jefferies come back, start Jefferies.

Those are your starting line ups.

I would only start Kwame if I could get him to agree to play a B Wallace game. Shot holding the ball and trying to be a star. GIl Hughes and Jamison are the stars.

For my first time, Im starting to think Kwame doesnt fit on this team. Its not that I dont think he will be good. Its just he doesnt fit if he want to be J O'Neal. Thats not what we need.

Jefferies is a better fit. And if not Jefferies, find someone like Oakley. We dont needs a scoring focused PF. We just need an athletic touch defender with some offensive skill. Maybe Etan can be this. To bad he was sick tonight.


Kwame shot 49% last year. He was damn efficient. He has gotten 12, 10, and 9 rebounds in limited minutes since he's been starting. Our genious coach thinks a cba reject who can only muster 4 rebounds and play crap defense (Ruffin) in 26 minutes is better than a guy who gets 9 rebounds in 22 minutes and presents a low post presence. Kwame is unslefish. He actually likes to pass and look for other players. Have you ever seen Etan do this. Getting .3 assists a game is downright pathetic for a big man. Kwame is more efficient than any of our big man save Haywood. Have you ever seen Etan actually pass the ball? He's a selfish black hole player. Ruffin isn't selfish, but he is a dman liability out there. Teams are playing a one mna zone on him. He does nothing to help the team. If his hustle was so great, then why did Troy Murphy dominate him tonight? Murphy did nothing against Kwame and Haywood.

[mhd24]

Oh, and here is a nugget from EJ's press conference. How in the world is he an nba coach? 9 points, 9 rebounds in 22 minutes is not a good game?

"Listening to EJ's press conference right now, he basically said the who team didn't play well. When asked about Kwame, he said he wasn't hurt but made of point of saying that he didn't play well. I'm still trying to figure out how Kwame "didn't play well" yet he didn't seem to have a problem with Ruffin who got 8 fewer points, 4 fewer boards, 1 fewer assist and 1 fewer steal in 4 MORE minutes. Kwame practically had a double double in 22 minutes! Short of the missed free throws, I thought he played pretty well"

[garg8050]

Originally posted by mhd24
Oh, and here is a nugget from EJ's press conference. How in the world is he an nba coach? 9 points, 9 rebounds in 22 minutes is not a good game?

"Listening to EJ's press conference right now, he basically said the who team didn't play well. When asked about Kwame, he said he wasn't hurt but made of point of saying that he didn't play well. I'm still trying to figure out how Kwame "didn't play well" yet he didn't seem to have a problem with Ruffin who got 8 fewer points, 4 fewer boards, 1 fewer assist and 1 fewer steal in 4 MORE minutes. Kwame practically had a double double in 22 minutes! Short of the missed free throws, I thought he played pretty well"

It's pretty clear to me that Kwame is on a short leash. Listen, the team did very well without him, and when the team starts to struggle, he's gonna get the hook since he's the new component.

As big a Kwame fan as I am, I do think sometimes just looking at the box score can be deceiving.

The last play before Kwame got yanked, the Warriors ran a backdoor cut. Kwame had just vacated the lane chasing Murphy to the perimeter and wasn't watching the ball. I'm not sure if it was that play specifically or what but he didn't see the court after that.

To my eyes, Kwame still doesn't hustle as much as the rest of the guys. Maybe that's what EJ sees as well.

[mhd24]

Originally posted by garg8050


It's pretty clear to me that Kwame is on a short leash. Listen, the team did very well without him, and when the team starts to struggle, he's gonna get the hook since he's the new component.

As big a Kwame fan as I am, I do think sometimes just looking at the box score can be deceiving.

The last play before Kwame got yanked, the Warriors ran a backdoor cut. Kwame had just vacated the lane chasing Murphy to the perimeter and wasn't watching the ball. I'm not sure if it was that play specifically or what but he didn't see the court after that.

To my eyes, Kwame still doesn't hustle as much as the rest of the guys. Maybe that's what EJ sees as well.


Troy Murphy did next nothing when guarded by Kwame. Once Ruffin got in, Murphy just dominated the glass and scored at will. Yet Ruffin has no leash. When has Ruffin stopped anyone this year? He's an absolute atrocious defender. I'm glad EJ was forced to play Haywood tonight. Unfortunetly, once Etan gets back, those "tough, and hard-working" combo of Etan and Ruffin will see the court. Forget the slefishness and offensive ineptitude of these two players, they bring a toughgness to our team, or whatever according to EJ.

[Gamebreaker]

I disagree with Kwame adopting Ben Wallace's game, simply because Kwame can become so much more than that. The poster who said Jamison is not playing the way he was in the first half of the season was right, we need another scorer to step up for him because he has basically changed into a completely different than the one we saw earlier in the season.

Kwame didn't have a bad game today, but it wasn't good either. He made quite a few little mistakes, and he doesn't seem to have the same endurance the rest of the team has. Regardless, I definitely would've put him back into the game late in the 4th quarter, somewhere around the 6-8 minute mark. Since his rebounding and overall game would've been alot better for us than Ruffin's pathetic effort.

We need Kwame to become a low post presence, he's working towards doing that. Earlier this season, that is exactly what everyone in the world knew we needed. We'll never be a balanced team without it, and we won't make much noise if we can't score in the paint once the playoffs begin.

[garg8050]

Originally posted by mhd24

Troy Murphy did next nothing when guarded by Kwame. Once Ruffin got in, Murphy just dominated the glass and scored at will. Yet Ruffin has no leash. When has Ruffin stopped anyone this year? He's an absolute atrocious defender. I'm glad EJ was forced to play Haywood tonight. Unfortunetly, once Etan gets back, those "tough, and hard-working" combo of Etan and Ruffin will see the court. Forget the slefishness and offensive ineptitude of these two players, they bring a toughgness to our team, or whatever according to EJ.

First of all, I am no Ruffin fan. But, with bona fide scorers on the floor, he does a lot of the dirty work. Sets solid screens, keeps loose balls alive and occasionally will get an offensive rebound. Granted, he is a MAJOR liability at the free throw line.

On defense, he plays the pick-and-roll well, and comes out aggressively on the ball. He'll block the occasional shot. He's sort of a Popeye Jones without the outside shot. Plays hard and smart but very limited athletically.

Kwame has all the talent in the world but still doesn't get "it". Like somebody else mentioned, with this teams identity already established, he needs to mold to fit them, not the other way around. If he would just focus on playing sound defense and rebounding, he'd get plenty of playing time and probably average close to a double-double. Even without set 'touches', he could score 10-12 points on put-backs and drive-n'-dishes from Hughes and Arenas.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan
There's a (good) chance I'll be at this game sitting directly behind the Warriors bench.

If I'm not posting on this thread during the game, look for me on TV. I'll have on my Dixon (probably the Bullets).

Go Wiz! :cheers:

Did you go Thito? I just got back from the game myself...I was up in the nose-bleeds, bought my ticket for $19 from a scalper....was in section 421. I might not go back for awhile, I might be a jinx! Damn, we got our asses handed to us tonight.....arg!

[mhd24]

Originally posted by garg8050


First of all, I am no Ruffin fan. But, with bona fide scorers on the floor, he does a lot of the dirty work. Sets solid screens, keeps loose balls alive and occasionally will get an offensive rebound. Granted, he is a MAJOR liability at the free throw line.

On defense, he plays the pick-and-roll well, and comes out aggressively on the ball. He'll block the occasional shot. He's sort of a Popeye Jones without the outside shot. Plays hard and smart but very limited athletically.

Kwame has all the talent in the world but still doesn't get "it". Like somebody else mentioned, with this teams identity already established, he needs to mold to fit them, not the other way around. If he would just focus on playing sound defense and rebounding, he'd get plenty of playing time and probably average close to a double-double. Even without set 'touches', he could score 10-12 points on put-backs and drive-n'-dishes from Hughes and Arenas.

But that is what Kwame has done since he's been starting the last three games. People want him to rebound. Well how is 12, 10, and 9 rebounds in limited minutes is not focusing on rebounding? Even in his limited time back, he's already proven to be a much better defender than Ruffin and Etan.

[REDALERT]

Originally posted by garg8050


It's pretty clear to me that Kwame is on a short leash. Listen, the team did very well without him, and when the team starts to struggle, he's gonna get the hook since he's the new component.

As big a Kwame fan as I am, I do think sometimes just looking at the box score can be deceiving.

The last play before Kwame got yanked, the Warriors ran a backdoor cut. Kwame had just vacated the lane chasing Murphy to the perimeter and wasn't watching the ball. I'm not sure if it was that play specifically or what but he didn't see the court after that.

To my eyes, Kwame still doesn't hustle as much as the rest of the guys. Maybe that's what EJ sees as well.

Your somewhat correct about Kwame. The guy is still somewhat in limbo IMO and his awareness on the court show it. I was watching the Rockets game and saw Kwame on a number of plays on defense look lost. Not only that, but his timing and reaction is kinda slow. This guy really needs to get back up to speed and like I said in another post. Once this happens let's hope his reaction gets a little better and he can run the floor a little better IMO.

Remember, that was one of the reasons Jordan and Doug Collins drafted this guy. His versatility and being able to do more things with the ball in his hands. Opposed to just being a PF that sits under the basket and grab rebounds. He was considered one of the new age PF's that was very versatile on offense. But also had the build and room for growth to become a pretty descent strong armed PF.

[garg8050]

Originally posted by mhd24


But that is what Kwame has done since he's been starting the last three games. People want him to rebound. Well how is 12, 10, and 9 rebounds in limited minutes is not focusing on rebounding? Even in his limited time back, he's already proven to be a much better defender than Ruffin and Etan.

Then why the quick hook? Is EJ that stupid? Are the coaches that blind? Somehow, if Kwame was truly doing EXACTLY what the coaches wanted, I don't think he would have sat out the last 19 minutes of the game. He still tries to force things a little bit on the offensive end (no more than Arenas, Hughes or Jamison but again, they've already earned that right).

On a side note, I still get the sense that Arenas and Kwame aren't exactly 'buddies'. That probably stems from last years verbal sparring in the press. That's another thing Kwame needs to realize, he isn't gonna win a power struggle with Arenas. This is Gil's team, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

[REDALERT]

Originally posted by garg8050


Then why the quick hook? Is EJ that stupid? Are the coaches that blind? Somehow, if Kwame was truly doing EXACTLY what the coaches wanted, I don't think he would have sat out the last 19 minutes of the game. He still tries to force things a little bit on the offensive end (no more than Arenas, Hughes or Jamison but again, they've already earned that right).

On a side note, I still get the sense that Arenas and Kwame aren't exactly 'buddies'. That probably stems from last years verbal sparring in the press. That's another thing Kwame needs to realize, he isn't gonna win a power struggle with Arenas. This is Gil's team, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

That's a good point about Gil and Kwame, and frankly I forgot all about that little situation. But now, it's gotten to a point were as Gil wants to win and his little spat with Kwame has nothing to do with these guys doing they're jobs on the court. I may be wrong..

But like you said Kwame is still doing some of the same stuff he was previuosly doing last year. Forcing the issue at times and trying to make somethuing happen when it's not there. This guy needs to settle down and just play. No thinking about scoring or being a force right now. This guy needs to just go with the flow and start getting his awareness up and his legs totally back.

[mhd24]

Originally posted by garg8050


Then why the quick hook? Is EJ that stupid? Are the coaches that blind? Somehow, if Kwame was truly doing EXACTLY what the coaches wanted, I don't think he would have sat out the last 19 minutes of the game. He still tries to force things a little bit on the offensive end (no more than Arenas, Hughes or Jamison but again, they've already earned that right).

On a side note, I still get the sense that Arenas and Kwame aren't exactly 'buddies'. That probably stems from last years verbal sparring in the press. That's another thing Kwame needs to realize, he isn't gonna win a power struggle with Arenas. This is Gil's team, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Well, if shooting 4-6 in the offensive end is forcing the issue, then I'm all for it. Ruffin did some stupid offensive drive and didn't get a hook. Why not? Ruffin had the same number of turnovers as Kwame. What exactly did Kwame do wrong tonight? I think EG has to not resign Ruffin this off season. He's got too much of a manlove factor going on with EJ.

[mhd24]

Oh and one last thing:

When Kwame was in the game: Troy Murphy did nothing:

Troy shot 2-6, had 5 points, and 5 rebounds in 22 minutes

When Kwame was out: (and Ruffin guarded Troy)

Murphy had 15 points, 9 rebounds, and shot 4-10 in 17 minutes.

Now again, why is Kwame not playing?

[REDALERT]

Originally posted by mhd24
Oh and one last thing:

When Kwame was in the game: Troy Murphy did nothing:

Troy shot 2-6, had 5 points, and 5 rebounds in 22 minutes

When Kwame was out: (and Ruffin guarded Troy)

Murphy had 15 points, 9 rebounds, and shot 4-10 in 17 minutes.

Now again, why is Kwame not playing?

:rolleyes:

[Chachie]

I'm seeing all good from Kwame Brown. He's rebounding (duh) and he's attacking the basket. We lost tonight because of POOR defense. Mainly from Antawn Jamison, but the team D is lacking. The Warriors may have had a chip on their shoulder coming in and I know we all took them for granted.
I don't want to get into the mentality of euphoric wins and disastrous losses as is instilled in my DNA from being a Redskin fan. We stole one from Houston and gave it back tonight. It's the mark of a team that can make the playoffs and should expect to exit early. We are inconsistent but I can't say we don't have heart. Too many unlikely and exciting comebacks in the season so far.
I say we go .500 the rest of the year, but it'll be good enough to get in.
I'll also say that we are only seeing the tip of what could be a NICE iceberg from both Kwame AND Brendan Haywood. They just gotta get a little more physical.

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by Bugs'
Did you go Thito? I just got back from the game myself...I was up in the nose-bleeds, bought my ticket for $19 from a scalper....was in section 421. I might not go back for awhile, I might be a jinx! Damn, we got our asses handed to us tonight.....arg!

Yeah, unfortunately, I was there. Just got home (ESPN Zone after the game).

I got my ticket from a friend, and therefore, paid nothing. Great seats. Basically 3 rows behind the Warriors bench. I yelled at Baron Davis a few times and I don't think he liked it. :)

Don't even wanna talk about the game. I'll post some pictures soon.

[Diablo23]

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


Yeah, unfortunately, I was there. Just got home (ESPN Zone after the game).

I got my ticket from a friend, and therefore, paid nothing. Great seats. Basically 3 rows behind the Warriors bench. I yelled at Baron Davis a few times and I don't think he liked it. :)

Don't even wanna talk about the game. I'll post some pictures soon.

Alright don't talk about the game, well sorta.. what you say to him ;) :P

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by Diablo23
Alright don't talk about the game, well sorta.. what you say to him ;) :P

I don't really remember everything, but I did tell him, in my own special way, he wasn't very good. He just looked at me and I basically confirmed what I had said before.

I have nothing against Baron. He's a great player. I just had a few beers and took advantage of my seat location. It was all in good fun. :)

[hands11]

Originally posted by mhd24
Oh, and here is a nugget from EJ's press conference. How in the world is he an nba coach? 9 points, 9 rebounds in 22 minutes is not a good game?

"Listening to EJ's press conference right now, he basically said the who team didn't play well. When asked about Kwame, he said he wasn't hurt but made of point of saying that he didn't play well. I'm still trying to figure out how Kwame "didn't play well" yet he didn't seem to have a problem with Ruffin who got 8 fewer points, 4 fewer boards, 1 fewer assist and 1 fewer steal in 4 MORE minutes. Kwame practically had a double double in 22 minutes! Short of the missed free throws, I thought he played pretty well"

Maybe it was for all the reasons I mentioned.

[hands11]

Originally posted by garg8050



Uhhhh, NO.

When Kwame went out in the 2nd half (with about 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter), the Wiz trailed 60-58. He never saw the court again...you do the math.

Secondly, the formula of Hughes/Arenas/Jamison WAS working really well before Hughes' injury. But now, it looks like Jamison has run out of gas. His shooting percentage over the past few games is atrocious, and was starting to fall before the All-Star break. Without a reliable 3rd option or inside presence, this team will fade down the stretch.

Your actually making my point. Hughes has just come back. They need to be allow to get in the flow with each other again. They need to be able to take all the shots the want, then feed the post players as they see fit, in the flow. They are the leaders and managers of the game. They Gil and Hughes shot or drive.
The feed Jamison for outside set shots or his slasking. They feed the post men for dunks.

They feed Haywood and Kwame for some easy post scores once they drove to the hoop. This is the role of a big man in this offense for now. Defense, rebound, and take the easy feed for a dunk.

[garg8050]

Originally posted by hands11


Your actually making my point. Hughes has just come back. They need to be allow to get in the flow with each other again. They need to be able to take all the shots the want, then feed the post players as they see fit, in the flow. They are the leaders and managers of the game. They Gil and Hughes shot or drive.
The feed Jamison for outside set shots or his slasking. They feed the post men for dunks.

They feed Haywood and Kwame for some easy post scores once they drove to the hoop. This is the role of a big man in this offense for now. Defense, rebound, and take the easy feed for a dunk.

I agree that Gil and Hughes set the table. But clearly, Jamison has lost his legs. His shooting percentage is WAY down. And without him as a reliable 3rd option (and now with Hayes out), the team really needs another option, preferably in the low post. I think Kwame can be that option. Again, I'm not saying the offense needs to run through the post or inside-out, but the 'bigs' need to get touches, especially when the guards are having an off night.

[hands11]

Originally posted by mhd24
EJ is a horrible defensive coach. Just horrible. His man love for Michael Ruffin has got to stop. Kwame was playing well, and what does he get? Nothing. Ruffin will either A) foul, b) give up an offensive rebound, c) airball a free throw, D) all of the above.

Ruffin played great defense. Thats what EJ sees.
He should have had 4 blocks only the refs suck.

Now what to do about that is a whole nother issue which we have all talked about. Ruffin needs to talk to the refs and react. What he is doing doesnt work. They have labed him a player the fouls so we have to do something to get them to stop calling him for fouls he isnt committing.

He is neither a Rodman nor a B Wallace. Neither of these plays can hit a FT but were great. He is cut from that mold and he is getting better.

He hussles, plays D, get offensive rebounds, keeps the ball alive on plays he doesnt get a recorded rebound for and he passes the ball when he gets the rebound.

Ben and Rodman talked to the refs when they get a foul called though. He needs to break the ice face thing.

[hands11]

Originally posted by garg8050


It's pretty clear to me that Kwame is on a short leash. Listen, the team did very well without him, and when the team starts to struggle, he's gonna get the hook since he's the new component.

As big a Kwame fan as I am, I do think sometimes just looking at the box score can be deceiving.

The last play before Kwame got yanked, the Warriors ran a backdoor cut. Kwame had just vacated the lane chasing Murphy to the perimeter and wasn't watching the ball. I'm not sure if it was that play specifically or what but he didn't see the court after that.

To my eyes, Kwame still doesn't hustle as much as the rest of the guys. Maybe that's what EJ sees as well.

This is part of it. Yeah, see like the same leash Collin put on him.

Its also things like when they just feed him on the left side. He turned and ran to the hoop for a nice layup. The momentum was turning. Next time down, or it was on a steal. He end up with the ball at the key and forces up a shot. To the left side was Hughes wide open with his arms out calling for the ball.

Hughes should be taking that shot, not Kwame. Kwame doesnt get this. Its about momentum, when to shoot, and who are the leaders. Its about giving the team what it needs and hussling every play.

Hey, the other problem tonight goes back to the comments about Jamison I made before. We didnt have Hayes nor Jefferies to D up against the SF. Jamisons feet are to slow and GS was playing small ball. We didnt have the players to match up properly. Well, you do if you play Blake, Gil, Hughes.
We did finally do this later in the game and started to make a run but it was to late.

Hopefully we get Etan and Dixon back tonight. We played very shorthanded last night. That game was a combination of a lot of things all happening at once.

Add Hughes
Add Kwame
Loss Etan, Jefferies, Dixon and Hayes

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
I disagree with Kwame adopting Ben Wallace's game, simply because Kwame can become so much more than that.

Kwame didn't have a bad game today, but it wasn't good either. He made quite a few little mistakes, and he doesn't seem to have the same endurance the rest of the team has. Regardless, I definitely would've put him back into the game late in the 4th quarter, somewhere around the 6-8 minute mark. Since his rebounding and overall game would've been alot better for us than Ruffin's pathetic effort.

We need Kwame to become a low post presence, he's working towards doing that. Earlier this season, that is exactly what everyone in the world knew we needed. We'll never be a balanced team without it, and we won't make much noise if we can't score in the paint once the playoffs begin.

No, you dont disagree. Though I know you would rather it be that way.

Kwame can be more then that offensively, but we dont need that right now. Ill take his pts in the flow and one iso move. But if he can be as good a B Wallace right now. Id take that. Lets put it this way. If I could have the current game B Wallace plays or the current game Kwame plays, today, Id take B Wallace.

All Im saying is he needs to focus in that direction first. 15rbs a night will make him a star. He isnt going to score 20pts a night on this team right now.

The "more" your talking about with Kwame is going to have to come slowly if we are going to win while he is learning it.

[hands11]

Originally posted by garg8050


First of all, I am no Ruffin fan. But, with bona fide scorers on the floor, he does a lot of the dirty work. Sets solid screens, keeps loose balls alive and occasionally will get an offensive rebound. Granted, he is a MAJOR liability at the free throw line.

On defense, he plays the pick-and-roll well, and comes out aggressively on the ball. He'll block the occasional shot. He's sort of a Popeye Jones without the outside shot. Plays hard and smart but very limited athletically.

Kwame has all the talent in the world but still doesn't get "it". Like somebody else mentioned, with this teams identity already established, he needs to mold to fit them, not the other way around. If he would just focus on playing sound defense and rebounding, he'd get plenty of playing time and probably average close to a double-double. Even without set 'touches', he could score 10-12 points on put-backs and drive-n'-dishes from Hughes and Arenas.

Exactly. I totally agree.

[hands11]

Originally posted by REDALERT


Your somewhat correct about Kwame. The guy is still somewhat in limbo IMO and his awareness on the court show it. I was watching the Rockets game and saw Kwame on a number of plays on defense look lost. Not only that, but his timing and reaction is kinda slow. This guy really needs to get back up to speed and like I said in another post. Once this happens let's hope his reaction gets a little better and he can run the floor a little better IMO.

Remember, that was one of the reasons Jordan and Doug Collins drafted this guy. His versatility and being able to do more things with the ball in his hands. Opposed to just being a PF that sits under the basket and grab rebounds. He was considered one of the new age PF's that was very versatile on offense. But also had the build and room for growth to become a pretty descent strong armed PF.

Though you observations of Kwames upside may be accurate, they have nothing to do with the current situation.

Gil, and Jamison werent on the team when he was drafted.
EJ wasnt the coach.
EG wasnt the GM
and we werent well on our way to the playoffs without him playing.

What they need from him has nothing to do with what he is capable of doing.

Yes, he is getting rebounds and if he would play the game some of us are talking about, he would be on the floor longer and he would get getting 15 rbs.

[mhd24]

Originally posted by hands11


Ruffin played great defense. Thats what EJ sees.
He should have had 4 blocks only the refs suck.

Now what to do about that is a whole nother issue which we have all talked about. Ruffin needs to talk to the refs and react. What he is doing doesnt work. They have labed him a player the fouls so we have to do something to get them to stop calling him for fouls he isnt committing.

He is neither a Rodman nor a B Wallace. Neither of these plays can hit a FT but were great. He is cut from that mold and he is getting better.

He hussles, plays D, get offensive rebounds, keeps the ball alive on plays he doesnt get a recorded rebound for and he passes the ball when he gets the rebound.

Ben and Rodman talked to the refs when they get a foul called though. He needs to break the ice face thing.

Ruffin DOES NOT PLAY great defense. If he were such a great defender, then why did Troy Murphy dominate him last night? In 22 minutesd against Kwame, Murphy had 5 points and 5 rebounds, In 17 minutes against Ruffin, Murphy had 9 rebounds and 15 points. What does Ruffin do? He is a crappy rebounder for one thing. Kwame gets 9 boards in 22 minutes, and all Ruffin can do is get 4 rebounds in 26 minutes? Kwame has gotten 12, 10, and 9 rebounds in limited minutes since his return as a starter. What else does he have top do? EJ IS A FREAKIN IDIOT! If he actually believes that Ruffin is a more crucial and clutch player than Kwame or (Haywood for that matter), then he needs to be fired. Kevin Bloom has stated that the Wizards defensive matchups and startigies are awfull. EJ wins because Gil and Larry carry our team night after night. EJ does nothing for me as an nba coach.

[Bugs']

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan


Yeah, unfortunately, I was there. Just got home (ESPN Zone after the game).

I got my ticket from a friend, and therefore, paid nothing. Great seats. Basically 3 rows behind the Warriors bench. I yelled at Baron Davis a few times and I don't think he liked it. :)

Don't even wanna talk about the game. I'll post some pictures soon.

I tried to spot you out, I remember you saying you would be behind the Warriors bench....I saw a couple guys I thought might be you....one had on an old school, red-white-and blue Bullets uni and the other person I thought might be you had a grey sweatshirt on.....

I think the best part of the game was during a time-out the five year olds had a dunk contest:) Oh yea, and my free Wes Unseld bobblehead...I ripped off the History Channel tag on it...:)

[hands11]

Originally posted by mhd24


Ruffin DOES NOT PLAY great defense. If he were such a great defender, then why did Troy Murphy dominate him last night? In 22 minutesd against Kwame, Murphy had 5 points and 5 rebounds, In 17 minutes against Ruffin, Murphy had 9 rebounds and 15 points. What does Ruffin do? He is a crappy rebounder for one thing. Kwame gets 9 boards in 22 minutes, and all Ruffin can do is get 4 rebounds in 26 minutes? Kwame has gotten 12, 10, and 9 rebounds in limited minutes since his return as a starter. What else does he have top do? EJ IS A FREAKIN IDIOT! If he actually believes that Ruffin is a more crucial and clutch player than Kwame or (Haywood for that matter), then he needs to be fired. Kevin Bloom has stated that the Wizards defensive matchups and startigies are awfull. EJ wins because Gil and Larry carry our team night after night. EJ does nothing for me as an nba coach.

Hey, dont put me on the wrong side of the street. Im one of the early EJ bashers going back to last year. Everyone used to get all over me. So let understand were Im coming from. I also agree most of this is talent. Hughes and Gil One on one with Jamison filling in where needed. I can run that offense. What Im saying is this. Since that is the offense and that how we have won, I dont want to interupt it and since Hughes is just back, I want to let that gel again.

I think EJ has been slow to find the right combination but he has gotten better. He has had to do this a lot because of injuries. Ruffin played better then his stats because you should add 3 more blocks that total but he always gets robbed. That would also lower the points against him.
He has actually been getting better, not worse.

Hey, everything was off last night. Gil was forcing passes, making turnovers, Hughes forced some things and was 0-6 from 3, Jamison is in a rut. Ths isnt all about Kwame and Ruffin. We have 4 players out. Both our SF's defenders, and we played a team playing small ball. It was a bad match up. The solution was the play Hughes at SF with Gil and another PG, Peeler or Blake or play Profit at SF with Gil and Hughes at 1, 2. Jamison is tired. On his best day he is a poor defender at the SF. But at least he usually scores. He did neither.

I like Kwames rebounds. I want him to play and I have explained how I think he can best help the team. Its not that he cant do or doesnt do thing Ruffin cant, it that he does things that disrupt the team at critical moments. When he is running with Gil, Hughes and Jamison, he shouldnt try to score unless they feed him. He shouldnt stop passing and decide he want to make a move unless it not at a critical moment or unless he does it quicky.
We dont need assists from really. Let Gil, Hughes, Jamison, Blake,etc do that. He need to rebound, play D, and score when feed.

He did this some last night. He did some good things. He got a good feed from Hughes, I think, and put it in. Its just he does some not so good things also.

We wanted to win that game. If we dont care about wins and we just want to ride it out. Get him the minutes now so he is better later, then fine. Play him. Live with his mistakes and maybe loose a few games you wouldnt otherwise. This is the same situation we were in the MJ here. Making a playoff run and not having a lot of room to watch him make mistakes and learn but seeing that he can give us what we need. Seems EJ is a frustrated as the last group.

If he wants to be an offensive force, do it when running with the second unit. Hey, he is only starting because Jefferies is hurt. Not that evenually he wouldnt start regardles, but with only a few games under his belt, he wouldnt be starting right now.

I want him to play in the flow of the game. To know when his points are needed and when they arent. This is why I want him to focus on being a Wallace right now. The J ONeal thing can come later, or when we up by 10.

[thito_da_skins_fan]

Originally posted by Bugs'
I tried to spot you out, I remember you saying you would be behind the Warriors bench....I saw a couple guys I thought might be you....one had on an old school, red-white-and blue Bullets uni and the other person I thought might be you had a grey sweatshirt on.....

I think the best part of the game was during a time-out the five year olds had a dunk contest:) Oh yea, and my free Wes Unseld bobblehead...I ripped off the History Channel tag on it...:)

I never got the Wes Unseld bobblehead because I didn't get to the game until halfway through the 2nd. I got stuck in traffic on my way to the metro and then the metro took forever.

I was wearing my orange Bullets #3 and my boy Litos (you may remember him from the Redskins tailgate) had on a white Wizards #23.