OFFICIAL: Eddie Jordan Bashing Thread

[Bugs']

I'm not calling anyone out, but if you feel the need to talk ***** about Eddie Jordan or call him retarded or anything please use this thread instead of clogging up the other threads with this stuff. It seems to turn off the casual fan who browses our forum here....

Thanks

[RedskinsNation]

I dont know if it is "Bashing" EJ (you can be the judge)....but constantly leaving players beyond the arc WIDE-OPEN sort of baffles me...unless Arenas is the "Antonio Pierce of our Defense" and calling the shots then he must be accountable. This doubleteam strategy that wears our guys out from running around for weeks isnt paying off.

Maybe we have a "D-coordinator" .... i dont know but anyone who cant see that our weaknesses (on defense) are the same thing game after game may need to sit and watch a little closer.

Now it isnt EJ's fault that our bigmen have hands of stones and seem very uncoordinated at times...our team is built around our guards....and AJ.

And you cant blame EJ for the constant 16-45 combined shooting from our starting backcourt.

Not all is to point at EJ....but some can be.

Maybe our guys are doing "everything" they can on D and its still not good enough...then thats the way it is....and if so then we will me fortuante to get out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

Win or lose i love the Wizards but they are starting to play with my emotions.:(

[Leonard Washington]

the idea of EJ needing to be fired is stupid.

yea i'm baffled how we haven't made adjustments to prevent people from being WIDE OPEN at the 3pt line, but i'm not ready to call for jordan's head. i mean the strategy of hoping the other team can't make a shot when wide open isn't working. a lot of times wide open shots are due to confusion of who's gaurding who or a player doesn't even bother going to the guy he is responsible for.

i love the steals we get and how we have the ability to overwhelm the opposition on both ends. we just need to extend our time being our best and minimize defensive lapses.

[TODD]

No, EJ absolutely should not be fired.

But this double team/trap defense is absolutely killing us. Plain and simple.

[Danny Montana]

Long time suffering Les Boulez fan here.

First off, I want to say that this season has been nothing short of phenomenal. I had forgoten what it was like to have a quality basketball team, or hell, even a quality team in general the way our Skins have been lately. I still can't believe I am actually thing about the playoffs right now instead of counting the lotto balls and scouting potential draft picks. And besides the winning, this Wiz team is such an exciting bunch to watch. Yeah their D sucks, but all those 4th quarter comebacks have been great to watch.

As far as Eddie Jordan goes, any talk of him being fired is moot anyway because there is no chance in hell Abe fires this guy if we make the playoffs.

But that being said, I'm kind of torn on Eddie Jordan. I love what he has been able to do with this young squad. And he has undoubtably had a huge effect on the maturation process of our young players, especially Arenas.

But as an in game coach, I think he is very lacking. His subsitution patterns are straight up retarded. And he often creates horrible match-ups defensively for our players.

And I still can't figure out for the life of me why EJ has hated on 'Wood all season. It is obvious that we are a much better team when Haywood is out there, yet EJ plays goddamn Ruffin over him.

Based on his strengths and weaknesses, I think EJ is what he has proven to be in the past and appears to be now: an absolute great assistant coach but average head coach.

Ultimately, I think EJ is the type of coach who will bring us only so far, but we will need another coach to take us to that next level.

[DonMagicJuan]

basically we have "dumbass" fans....how can you blame EJ for us WINNING RIGHT NOW, i dont care what you have to say because u know what? WERE WINNING were top 5 in the EAST....how do you complain and ***** about being top 5 in the east..yeah we have some problems just like ANY OTHER team has, just deal with it, and stop blaming him, not like hes shooting the damn ball, and its not like hes the one who missed the "game winner"

Damn you negative fans

[Leonard Washington]

i'm surprised...i thought this thread would be much longer

[Danny Montana]

Originally posted by DonMagicJuan
basically we have "dumbass" fans....how can you blame EJ for us WINNING RIGHT NOW, i dont care what you have to say because u know what? WERE WINNING were top 5 in the EAST....how do you complain and ***** about being top 5 in the east..yeah we have some problems just like ANY OTHER team has, just deal with it, and stop blaming him, not like hes shooting the damn ball, and its not like hes the one who missed the "game winner"

Damn you negative fans

:rolleyes:

Thanks for posting that boss. :rolleyes: :doh:

[Bugs']

Originally posted by Leonard Washington
i'm surprised...i thought this thread would be much longer

Well, we are mostly getting responses from supporters of EJ and not the people that usually criticism him and call him retarded....they are hiding from us :laugh:

[fixer26er]

I'm back baby! The original EJ basher (or one of them anyway). All kidding aside, I couldn't agree more with Danny Montana.

Yeah, he's done a decent job of allowing the players to mature up to this point, but as far as in game coaching and sub patterns, he's terrible. What happens when all the players on this team have matured? Then what is EJ good for? And what about the emphasis on D that we heard so much about in the offseason?

I know he's not going anywhere anytime soon, so why bother b!tching? I would like to see him succeed but unfortunately I think he is what he is, a great assistant coach and thats about it. I don't think he'll ever get any better than he already is and I refuse to give him most of the credit. I think we can thank AJ, GA, LH and mostly Big Ern for that.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by Bugs'


Well, we are mostly getting responses from supporters of EJ and not the people that usually criticism him and call him retarded....they are hiding from us :laugh:

Dont worry, im here. I just dont feel the need to express my opinion, seeing as how i have done so in my EJ's Coaching Thread.

EJ is probably a really good assistant Coach, but hes not ready to be a head coach. I still want him here (as an assistant), but not a head coach, his ingame substitutions, playcalling, and Defensive schemes are just plain dumb. What really pisses me off is that we can clearly see that 3 point defending is our weakness, and every team is taking advantage of that, whether it be the worst 3 point shooting team or the best, they both just sit back there and launch uncontested wide open threes, yet EJ doesnt change sh*t. You would think after 50+ games, EJ would learn from his mistakes, and thats why i call him retarded .:mad:

[Danny Montana]

I don't really see how anyone could not be critical of EJ to at least some extent.

I mean, our D is a joke. For a little while there, the team was at least tightening up the D somewhat late in the 4th of games, but even that's not the case now.

And the most troubling thing about our D is this apparent belief by EJ that steals = defense. You can't form a successful defensive scheme in the NBA purely around steals. It just doesn't work. Anybody involved with the NBA should realize this. This is the thing that really baffles me about EJ.

I'm all for the Wiz Kid lovefest as much as the next guy. Like I said earlier, this season has been just amazing to watch. But the fact remains, that until we learn to play at least average D, we are going to get bounced come playoff time.

[Chachie]

Originally posted by mad4comp


Dont worry, im here. I just dont feel the need to express my opinion, seeing as how i have done so in my EJ's Coaching Thread.

EJ is probably a really good assistant Coach, but hes not ready to be a head coach. I still want him here (as an assistant), but not a head coach, his ingame substitutions, playcalling, and Defensive schemes are just plain dumb. What really pisses me off is that we can clearly see that 3 point defending is our weakness, and every team is taking advantage of that, whether it be the worst 3 point shooting team or the best, they both just sit back there and launch uncontested wide open threes, yet EJ doesnt change sh*t. You would think after 50+ games, EJ would learn from his mistakes, and thats why i call him retarded .:mad:


mad4comp- I was waiting for you to weigh in on this. :)

I'm gonna wait until we make/don't make the playoffs to judge EJ, but all I can say right now is that Eddie is dealing with a tired, injured squad. I also think that his players suffer from "We can beat these guys" syndrome. They come out flat against poor teams because they think they can skate right through those games. Then they get PUNKED.
Time for the coach to crack the whip and put some fear back into the lineup.

[bofluid]

Both of Danny Montana's posts are on point guys. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this team will really struggle to go far in the playoffs under EJ's watch, unless he makes some significant changes involving his defensive scheme and substitution patterns.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by Chachie



mad4comp- I was waiting for you to weigh in on this. :)

I'm gonna wait until we make/don't make the playoffs to judge EJ, but all I can say right now is that Eddie is dealing with a tired, injured squad. I also think that his players suffer from "We can beat these guys" syndrome. They come out flat against poor teams because they think they can skate right through those games. Then they get PUNKED.
Time for the coach to crack the whip and put some fear back into the lineup.

Im willing to wait until playoffs to pass judement on EJ also, but this team wouldnt be so tired and depleted if EJ had learned how to sub in players properly, and use the right type of player for each game. I know Injuries are inevitable, still he had alot of good role players who could score. Right now i just hope this team is concentrating on playing Boston, we need Antawn back for this one, hopefully he will regain his 20/10 posture and be effective for us.

Things id like to more/less of-

-less- Doubleteamming, please stop this crap everytime, it leads to easy wide open shots for the opposing team.

-less - Full cour press, why do we run it like 60% of the time ? Just fall back and play Man Defense.

-less - Stealing - I love getting steals and watching Gil and LH run the fast break, but id rather have them play their own man and try to restrict the other teams scoring.

-more - Bench Blake if he misses like 3 shots in a row, id rather have walker in there shooting threes. When Blake is off, he is just horrible, plus, someone teach Blake how to take it to the basket and dish it off to our bigs.

-more - Play Haywood over Ruffin/Etan, is EJ is love with those two or what ? Stat wise, we have a more potent, scoring offense with Brenda in there than we do with Ruffin/Etan. P.S same goes to Brown, keep them in there.

-more - Learn to pass the ball to the paint, i cant even recall how many times we've thrown the ball inside to the bigs to only have the ball picked off, if you think the defender has position on our bigs, then dont pass the ball, keep it moving.

-One more thing, stop collasping into the paint when their big guy gets the ball, this is just killing us. I just hope we dont have to play Shaq and the Heat, cuz thats all they do and they have like 5+ people who can shoot the 3 ball with pretty good accuracy. If their big guy gets the ball, let him go 1 on 1 with Brenda, brown, or Jeffries, id rather have them work for those two points than just have they dish it out and shoot a wide open, easy three.

I vowed not to rant again in this thread, but there i go again. comments,compliments,criticism is welcome, and please dont use vulgar language when commenting about me, or tell me what to do, thats just rude...HOW RUDE!! (full house, stephanie style :laugh: ).

oh yea and GO WIZ!!!!!!! fire EJ (joking, until end of season that is).

[hands11]

Originally posted by Danny Montana
I don't really see how anyone could not be critical of EJ to at least some extent.

I mean, our D is a joke. For a little while there, the team was at least tightening up the D somewhat late in the 4th of games, but even that's not the case now.

And the most troubling thing about our D is this apparent belief by EJ that steals = defense. You can't form a successful defensive scheme in the NBA purely around steals. It just doesn't work. Anybody involved with the NBA should realize this. This is the thing that really baffles me about EJ.

I'm all for the Wiz Kid lovefest as much as the next guy. Like I said earlier, this season has been just amazing to watch. But the fact remains, that until we learn to play at least average D, we are going to get bounced come playoff time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28116-2005Mar11.html

This should explain where he is coming from. You teach what you know.

Jordan had a knack for stealing the ball when he was a member the Lakers 1982 NBA championship team and Hearn began calling him the Thief of Baghdad.

[hands11]

Originally posted by DonMagicJuan
basically we have "dumbass" fans....how can you blame EJ for us WINNING RIGHT NOW, i dont care what you have to say because u know what? WERE WINNING were top 5 in the EAST....how do you complain and ***** about being top 5 in the east..yeah we have some problems just like ANY OTHER team has, just deal with it, and stop blaming him, not like hes shooting the damn ball, and its not like hes the one who missed the "game winner"

Damn you negative fans

I hate reading this kind of lame responce. Its so basic. Please.
Look past the first layer.

You have talent
and you have coaching.

Talent can win with poor coaching.

Poor talent cant win with poor coaching.

Good talent would win more with good coaching.

THe only way you can be more certain what is really going on is if you dont change any player and the change the coach. If you win more, you had a coaching problem. If you win less, you have a talent problem.

You cant just say because we are winning, we have good coaching. Not in the NBA at least. Besides, we are talking game time coaching. What defense to call. Who goes in and when. Ive said this for so long it getting old. I could site on the side line and put Gil, Hughes and Jamison on the court and watch them score. They are mostly going one on one and using thier talent.
I do give EJ credit for helping Gil focus and learn to be a true PG, but Gils 3's, FT, and regular scoring, he had that when he got here. Hughes already had it and so did Jamison. So he doesnt get much credit for developing any of those 3. If anyone, again, he helped Gil.


We arent running any Printon offense. We pass left, a player comes around, they pass it off a pick, then they do whatever they feel like. Once in a while we get a back door.

EJ get credit for keeping the team together and possitive. But I will say this. If he doesnt start to learn quicker and make some smarter moves, specially on D, he is going to start to loose some players trust.

I said it before so Ill say it again. He gets this year. EG is watching. EJ isnt a EG guy. EG could pull him as soon as this offseason if EJ crashes but most likely he gets one more year to prove himself. After that, if he isnt getting it done, hes gone and there will be a line of quality coaches that would come here with our talent and EG in the front office. EJ better wake up and smell the coffee. He is on trial. He doesnt have a short leash, but it isnt long either. Decission like sticking with he D plan so long isnt winning anyones heart. Im sure EG is watching.

I wonder. Im sure EG has the authority to tell EJ, hey, the zone isnt working, you might want to chage it up. I wonder if this has happened. And if it has, is EJ not listening ?

[hands11]

I agree with everything except I think you are a little hard on Blake. He is better then you are giving him credit. Dude was hurt all year and hes just a second year player.

Hey, we gave Hayes, Jefferies, Dixon and others more of a leash.
People also bashed them. Lets not make a same mistake again.
Give him time to come around.

We were a young team with mostly unproven talent to start the year. We have 3 starter all had some questions around them.

Could Gil chill and play the PG.
Was Hughes for real. If we know this, he would have been resigned.
Could Jamison put up 20 a night as a starter.

and those were the easy ones.

You had people saying.

Get ride of Haywood - that would have been dumb.
Get ride of Dixon- that would have been dumb.
Get ride of Jefferies - that would have been dumb.
Get ride of Kwame - that would have been dumb.

We have not been heathy all year. Actually 2 years. We are young. Sit back. Enjoy some wins. Be patient. We have EG at the head post. We are going to win for years to come as long as he is there. Rome wasnt built in a day.

Stop bashing our players. There isnt a player on this team I dont like. I only bashed Hayes because I was frustrated EJ was playing him while he was hurt so he was stinking up the joint. Another EJ blunder.