We Exposed The Bulls

[Warhead36]

I think last night we exposed the Bulls as pretty big frauds.

The Bulls turn the ball over a lot, and can not drive to the hoop at all. When you play decent defense and force them to shoot, you can beat them. They're 27th in the league in FG %. They're just not that efficient.

I think we played the exact type of game we needed to last night. We forced them to beat us with the jump shot. Hinrich is good, but Larry Bird he is not.

I REALLY want to play the Bulls in the playoffs. We will eat this team up. With Haywood back we can dominate inside and outside. Hell Etan Thomas looked like Bill Russell when Chicago didn't have Curry and Chandler, and Deng is also out as well.

Your thoughts?




PS-I hate Tyson Chandler. I hate him more than anyone else in the NBA. I think he's a punk, and last night only justified my disliking for him. I'm happy Haywood did the classy mature thing and backed off.

[Erigion]

They didn't have Curry who is their only reliable scorer, aside from Gordan. Now they lose Curry for the rest of the year so their road gets tougher in the playoffs. They also didn't have Niocioni (I have no idea how to spell his name) who is probably their best on the ball defender.

The Bulls are a grind it out team that hopes to win the game in the last quarter. Obviously if a team get 20 points up on them they can't do that.

Obviously, with Curry out for the playoffs the Bulls would be the best match-up for the Wizards. Although Chandler could, and probably would, almost completely shut down Haywood/Thomas on the offensive end, but I'd still take my chances with Arenas/Hughes/Jamison over Gordan/Hinrich.

[Leonard Washington]

i don't think so...they are missing so many starters its crazy and its hard to play at a hard level with so many bench players carrying the load. however if they play these guys in the playoffs, they are going to be the team everyone wants to face in the first round.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Saw on sportscenter a little while ago that Curry's def not coming back this postseason, not only that, but his career is in jeopardy.

We can kick their asses in the playoffs, especially with Haywood back.

[Warhead36]

Chandler doesn't scare me. Like I said, he's just a dirty punk.

[CrazyZeb]

http://yourchicagobulls.com/images/avatars/veteran.gif
"What'd I do?"

:silly:

[Erigion]

Originally posted by Warhead36
Chandler doesn't scare me. Like I said, he's just a dirty punk.

I don't care that Chandler doesn't scare you, he can still defend low post players well, and we don't exactly have the most imposing low post players in the NBA.

[Gamebreaker]

What is Curry's injury, and why is it career threatening?

[Funkyalligator]

Yeah...I really hated how the announcers kept harping on the fact that the Bulls were so injured....F*ck them....we've had more injuries this year than any other team that is going to the playoffs....

[gbear]

Gamebreaker,
I think it's some heart trouble.

[tundey]

How can you expose a team with 4 starters out? That's like the Wizards playing without Larry, Gilbert, Jamison and Haywood.

Originally posted by Warhead36
I think last night we exposed the Bulls as pretty big frauds.

The Bulls turn the ball over a lot, and can not drive to the hoop at all. When you play decent defense and force them to shoot, you can beat them. They're 27th in the league in FG %. They're just not that efficient.

I think we played the exact type of game we needed to last night. We forced them to beat us with the jump shot. Hinrich is good, but Larry Bird he is not.

I REALLY want to play the Bulls in the playoffs. We will eat this team up. With Haywood back we can dominate inside and outside. Hell Etan Thomas looked like Bill Russell when Chicago didn't have Curry and Chandler, and Deng is also out as well.

Your thoughts?




PS-I hate Tyson Chandler. I hate him more than anyone else in the NBA. I think he's a punk, and last night only justified my disliking for him. I'm happy Haywood did the classy mature thing and backed off.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb
http://yourchicagobulls.com/images/avatars/veteran.gif
"What'd I do?"

:silly:

:laugh: :laugh:

Now you just need to make one of him going nuts after he just had a tip-in when no one was anywhere near him. He's the only loser I've seen who will make a routine dunk with no one around him and act like he just made the play of the year. He reminds me a little of Trotter doing his battle axe after tackling a guy who just made a 5 yard gain!

[WizSkins]

Originally posted by tundey
How can you expose a team with 4 starters out? That's like the Wizards playing without Larry, Gilbert, Jamison and Haywood.Complete nonsense.

Nocioni is only a starter because Deng is out and Chandler doesn't start. So 2 backups were out for starters that BTW aren't even playing again this year.

Comparison wise, it would be much more like Jarvis Hayes, Jared Jeffries, Kwame Brown and Haywood being out for the Wizards. And I can sefely say that we would have been a hell of lot more competitive than Chicago was against us with a team of Arenas, Hughes, Jamison, Etan, Ruffin, Dixon, Blake, Peeler, Profit, Damone, Ramos. Hell, the Wizards have won many a games this years with less than that.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by tundey
How can you expose a team with 4 starters out? That's like the Wizards playing without Larry, Gilbert, Jamison and Haywood.



So your comparing Larry, Gilbert, Jamison, and Haywood to Nocioni, Deng, Curry, and Chandler?? If you are, please pass me some of what your smoking, i could really use it right about now.

The only person from the bulls that was out who would have made an impact was Curry, but everytime Haywood plays him, Curry has off nights. So in other words, he would have been useless anyways.

Even without one of the 4 on that list from the wiz, we woulda still own the Bulls because who can guard Larry and Gil, or Gil and Antwan, or Larry and Antawn at the same time? They run circles aorund Hinrich and Gordon, and even their coach said "Gilbert went easy on us tonight."

So in conclusion
Larry, Gilbert, Antawn, Haywood > Nocioni, Deng, Curry, and Chandler. Wouldnt have made a difference if they were all on the court. Plus when Chandler went out we were up by like 12 or something, if he were still in, we woulda gone up 25+ in the first quarter alone.

[tundey]

I wasn't comparing the players against one another. I was comparing their importance to their respective teams. Would you have been happier if I had said "like Miami without Shaq and Wade".

[tundey]

Really? Didn't the Wizards lose 90-97 to the Bulls in Feb?
Originally posted by WizSkins
Complete nonsense.

Nocioni is only a starter because Deng is out and Chandler doesn't start. So 2 backups were out for starters that BTW aren't even playing again this year.

Comparison wise, it would be much more like Jarvis Hayes, Jared Jeffries, Kwame Brown and Haywood being out for the Wizards. And I can sefely say that we would have been a hell of lot more competitive than Chicago was against us with a team of Arenas, Hughes, Jamison, Etan, Ruffin, Dixon, Blake, Peeler, Profit, Damone, Ramos. Hell, the Wizards have won many a games this years with less than that.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by tundey
Really? Didn't the Wizards lose 90-97 to the Bulls in Feb?


Since you brought up the fact you were missing 4 players, we were missing half of our backcourt....Hughes a 21+ ppg player. So add that in, and we win, nice try though.

P.S

scores from that game:

Deng - 8 pts
Curry - 5 pts
Chandler - 5 pts
Nocioni - 5 pts

Yea what a difference those scrubs woulda made this game.. ;/.

[CrazyZeb]

For a team that hasn't won any more than the Bulls have recently, and not nearly as much overall, some of you Wizards fans have some big egos.

mad4comp, I lose more respect for your opinions on every post.

[Warhead36]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb
For a team that hasn't won any more than the Bulls have recently, and not nearly as much overall, some of you Wizards fans have some big egos.

mad4comp, I lose more respect for your opinions on every post.

Not necessarily, I think my points are pretty valid.

The Bulls are ranked 27% in the league in FG%, and dead last in turnovers. Those aren't playoff team stats. Those are New Orleans Hornets and Charlotte Bobcats type stats.

We just took advantage of them and, like I said, EXPOSED them.

Did I say they were a terrible team? Not at all. I just said we exposed their weaknesses to thoroughly beat them.

[WizSkins]

Originally posted by tundey
Really? Didn't the Wizards lose 90-97 to the Bulls in Feb?And didn't two completely healthy teams meet in December that the Wizards won 95-88?

And now in the heat of the playoff race, the Wizards had the most convincing win of them all - an early knock-out, wire-to-wire blowout victory? And this was without Hayes/Peeler, basically no contribution from the bench and Dixon, Ruffin and Kwame hardly saw the floor.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by Warhead36


Not necessarily, I think my points are pretty valid.

The Bulls are ranked 27% in the league in FG%, and dead last in turnovers. Those aren't playoff team stats. Those are New Orleans Hornets and Charlotte Bobcats type stats.

We just took advantage of them and, like I said, EXPOSED them.

Did I say they were a terrible team? Not at all. I just said we exposed their weaknesses to thoroughly beat them.

Poor FG%, sure. You know where the Wizards are ranked in FG%? 25th, .003 better than Chicago. Don't kid yourself.

The Bulls are a defense first team, no one's disputing that. Ranked #1 in defensive FG%. The Wizards? 22nd.

Dead last in total turnovers? Sure. HOWEVA, they're 6th place in turnover differential at +1.35. Want to know where the Wizards are? 28th with -1.76. The Wizards WISH they had Charlotte Bobcat stats in that category.

EXPOSED them? Hardly. The Bulls were without 4 of their best players (Curry, Deng, Nocioni & Chandler for the majority of the game). Those 4 players account for 28.7, 27.3, 23.1 & 27.3 MPG respectively. Very important to the team, despite what some of you think based on whether they start or not. Gordon doesn't start either. Exposed? :laugh: Not at all. What you did was win ONE game against an undermanned team.

EVEN if the Wizards are better now and the Bulls aren't what they were with Curry and Deng, that's not being EXPOSED. They were a good team all year, BETTER than the Wizards based on records.

Were the Wizards EXPOSED when they lost 5 straight down the stretch? Were they EXPOSED when Denver CLOBBERED them by 29? I'd be willing to guess you'd say they weren't.

Now, stop twisting the facts before you continue to make yourself look silly. :rolleyes:

[hands11]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


Poor FG%, sure. You know where the Wizards are ranked in FG%? 25th, .003 better than Chicago. Don't kid yourself.

The Bulls are a defense first team, no one's disputing that. Ranked #1 in defensive FG%. The Wizards? 22nd.

Dead last in total turnovers? Sure. HOWEVA, they're 6th place in turnover differential at +1.35. Want to know where the Wizards are? 28th with -1.76. The Wizards WISH they had Charlotte Bobcat stats in that category.

EXPOSED them? Hardly. The Bulls were without 4 of their best players (Curry, Deng, Nocioni & Chandler for the majority of the game). Those 4 players account for 28.7, 27.3, 23.1 & 27.3 MPG respectively. Very important to the team, despite what some of you think based on whether they start or not. Gordon doesn't start either. Exposed? :laugh: Not at all. What you did was win ONE game against an undermanned team.

EVEN if the Wizards are better now and the Bulls aren't what they were with Curry and Deng, that's not being EXPOSED. They were a good team all year, BETTER than the Wizards based on records.

Were the Wizards EXPOSED when they lost 5 straight down the stretch? Were they EXPOSED when Denver CLOBBERED them by 29? I'd be willing to guess you'd say they weren't.

Now, stop twisting the facts before you continue to make yourself look silly. :rolleyes:

Agreed. We were lucky to get out of these with a win actually.
I thought we played and ugly game except the 1st quarted and part of the 4th. Other then that. If we were playing them full against full. Im just glad we didnt. And that knuckhead got kicked out.

[CrazyZeb]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult Washington. They're a good team with a bright future. It'll be a tough series and if I had to bet, it would probably be on the Wizards due to Curry and Deng. I just don't want to hear these skewed facts used to insult my team.

[Warhead36]

Golden State exposed us earlier this season by netting all those wide open 3s. Yes I'd suppose Denver exposed us as well.

Just because a team is exposed doesn't mean they're terrible. I said that. I'm not INSULTING the Bulls. I'm merely saying we took advantage of their weaknesses.

As far as our low FG% goes, yes that is true but we are 3rd in the league I believe in Offensive Rebounds, so we keep possessions going.

[WizSkins]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult Washington. They're a good team with a bright future. It'll be a tough series and if I had to bet, it would probably be on the Wizards due to Curry and Deng. I just don't want to hear these skewed facts used to insult my team. Well, i'm glad to see that you've already got your excuses planned without Deng and Curry. The fact is the Wizards have rarely been healthy all year, yet still are only a game back of your beloved Bulls.

Now that the Wizards are finally getting healthy, it'll be only a matter of time until we get into back to winning on consistent basis and will be extremely tough come playoff time. And all this talk about the Bulls being superior team when both teams are healthy is complete rubbish.

And i'm NOT glad we didn't play the Bulls at full strength. All it did was provide them with a littany of excuses and let them stay in complete denial about how much the Wizards have owned them these past few years.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by Warhead36
Just because a team is exposed doesn't mean they're terrible. I said that. I'm not INSULTING the Bulls. I'm merely saying we took advantage of their weaknesses.

Backtracking a little? Your initial post was "we exposed the Bulls as pretty big frauds." Trust me, that's an insult, and you meant it as one.

Originally posted by WizSkins
Well, i'm glad to see that you've already got your excuses planned without Deng and Curry. The fact is the Wizards have rarely been healthy all year, yet still are only a game back of your beloved Bulls.

Now that the Wizards are finally getting healthy, it'll be only a matter of time until we get into back to winning on consistent basis and will be extremely tough come playoff time. And all this talk about the Bulls being superior team when both teams are healthy is complete rubbish.

And i'm NOT glad we didn't play the Bulls at full strength. All it did was provide them with a littany of excuses and let them stay in complete denial about how much the Wizards have owned them these past few years.

Brilliant post. Complete rubbish? Good point, can't argue with that logic. :rolleyes:

You're A. using past injuries as an excuse for not "winning on a consistent basis" and B. discounting the major injuries the Bulls recently got, sidelining two starters for the rest of the year. You can't take both sides, dude, its one or the other.

Excuses? You haven't beaten anyone yet, don't get too cocky. I merely said if I HAD to bet...

[Gamebreaker]

The first round series aganist the Bulls will be tough. Anyone who doesn't think so is delusional. We don't play anything that resembles good defense, so all the Bulls really need is to get one or two players really hot to get a W. This is why we're always getting big leads, and then either losing them or getting the lead chopped down to single digits.

[Danny Montana]

Losing Curry was a huge blow to the Bulls. (as it was to my fantasy team also :mad: )

Without Curry, the Bulls have no post game, and they become a guard oriented squad similar to us, but less talented and effective.

Without Curry, I think they'll have a hard time advancing in the playoffs. I feared facing this Chicago team in the playoffs a few weeks ago. But without Curry, we shouldn't have much of a problem beating them.

[TheSteve]

It's funny how the Bulls fans always say Washington fans have big ego's. I've found it's quite the opposite. Bulls fans are some of the biggest egotistic fans there are. They still strut around like they're the 6 time defending champions of the NBA. The Bulls are a good defensive team, but they really don't have anyone on their squad who can be counted on to consistently carry them on Offense. That will come with age and experience, but playoff wise the Wizards if they get consistent play or even half decent play from their bigs are in a much better position to contend or make a series of it with Miami.

Miami matches up well with Chicago. Chicago matches up well with Detroit(The two teams are similiar, except Detroit has Billups whos proven he steps up in big games). It's the opposite for the Wizards. We match up better with Miami than Detroit due to the matchup problems we can present Miami at the 2 and 3 positions. Plus Arenas can match Wade if he's on.

But the fact remains the Bulls are a jump shooting team right now with Curry out. If it makes the Bulls fans feel better to make injury excuses thats fine. All I care about is winning, and I garuntee if we meet up in the playoffs the Wizards will win in 6.

[hands11]

I agree with everyone who thinks we better off facing the Bulls at this point.

Peirce and Walker are savy vets.

We just lost to them without Walker.

We just beat the Bulls and they are young. Give me the Bulls.

At this point the 4-5 seed is better for us for the first round.

Det is an all around better team then Miami. They have more players to stop. Gil hasnt been the best man defender.

We played Det well earlier in the year but Billups just kills us in crunch time.

We have no answer at the PF for Wallace. ( we need Kwame playing up to full potential )

At least with Miami we can throw Haywood, Etan, Ruffin and Kwame at Shaq. I wish Ramos was ready. That will help next year.

The second round will show our weaknesses more then the first.

We dont have the PG duties worked out between Gil and Hughes
We dont play good D
We dont have a stong athletic PF ( Kwame needs to step up quick)
We dont have consistant post scoring ( see we the first, we dont)


We can address some of this stuff by playing like we did against Mil but if we dont. We are weaker as a team and will loose to a Miami or Detriot.

[TheSteve]

You nailed it Hands. If we play Chicago we can get past those weaknesses since they are undermanned. But there is absolutely no way we can beat Detroit, and we wont win a series with Miami, although I think we match up well with Miami.

I'm seriously giving up on Kwame. Dude has so much natural talent and physical ability but he just loafs around on the court like he's Bambi frolicking in the grass. He just doesnt have it in the heart, and that's what counts. You give Etan Thomas Kwame Brown's talent and you'd have a beast.

[hands11]

Originally posted by TheSteve
You nailed it Hands. If we play Chicago we can get past those weaknesses since they are undermanned. But there is absolutely no way we can beat Detroit, and we wont win a series with Miami, although I think we match up well with Miami.

I'm seriously giving up on Kwame. Dude has so much natural talent and physical ability but he just loafs around on the court like he's Bambi frolicking in the grass. He just doesnt have it in the heart, and that's what counts. You give Etan Thomas Kwame Brown's talent and you'd have a beast.

Bambi frolicking in the grass...

Thats to funny. Yeah he does do that sometimes. Someone needs to take a couple gun shots at his heals to get him moving.

I actually think the national exposure is going to be good for this team and Kwame. The critique on his play will come from outside the organization. What he does will be scene by everyone.

I liked being on ESPN last night. Its one thing to play to a local crowd but there is adding pressure and embarisment when you have the whole country watching. The players know this. The stage gets bigger. You are more accountable and more modivated to succeed.

You have professional, more objective analyst evaluating your game. The training wheels come off. If you step up, you get all the attention and praise, if you fail, you are exposed.

And nothing is more embarishing then having someone label you as not tring hard enough. This is where your NBA carrer is created or destroy and this ends up meaning dollars you get or dont. Will people be wearing your jersey or not.

We are about to step onto a bigger stage. I actually think this will be good for Kwame. I think he has a lot of pride and wants to prove people wrong about him. He hasnt responded to individuals pushing him but I think he will respond to the pressure that gets created by being on this bigger stage. This isnt SOMEONE telling him what to do, which he doesnt respond well to. This is pressure created by the reality of the situation he is in. More eyes watching. This is the pressure of success. He needs to get exposed to this. Ill be curiusly watching to see how our players step up and adjust.

Everyone is going to be evaluated and we hear more commentary like some of us post on this board. You hear defense questioned, rotations questioned, shot selection, heart, post game, etc.

I think this team needs to hear this stuff to get better. They have mostly been living in a bubble.