Jerry Stackhouse figures to be the best sixth man in the postseason

[hands11]

No rookie has ever won the Sixth Man Award, but Gordon's a worthy choice over Boston's Ricky Davis and Dallas' Jerry Stackhouse. (Although dare we say Stack, whose campaign was curtailed by his own recent injury woes, figures to be the best sixth man in the postseason.)

So we traded a starter for a 6th man who became a starter while our starter became a 6th man.

hmmmmm.

I guess this is what deep teams can do.

[Warhead36]

Originally posted by hands11
No rookie has ever won the Sixth Man Award, but Gordon's a worthy choice over Boston's Ricky Davis and Dallas' Jerry Stackhouse. (Although dare we say Stack, whose campaign was curtailed by his own recent injury woes, figures to be the best sixth man in the postseason.)

So we traded a starter for a 6th man who became a starter while our starter became a 6th man.

hmmmmm.

I guess this is what deep teams can do.

Jamison ain't a 6th man anywhere else, and the only reason he took the 6th man in Dallas was because Walker wanted to start.

Jamison is much better than Stackhouse. Not only is he a better player but he is a better team leader and locker room guy.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Warhead36


Jamison ain't a 6th man anywhere else, and the only reason he took the 6th man in Dallas was because Walker wanted to start.

Jamison is much better than Stackhouse. Not only is he a better player but he is a better team leader and locker room guy.

I like AJ a ton but the bro got no D.

Unless we can get 4 other great defensive players on the court with him, our team D will always suffer with him on the court.

25pts dont mean bean if your giving up that much or more because your teams are getting scored on because they are out of possition making up for your poor D.

[Skins11]

Yeah, like Craphouse ever played defense in Washington. :rolleyes:

[Warhead36]

Jerry Stackapartment wasn't the best defender either...

[Chachie]

Stackapartment? :doh: ;)

[hands11]

I was just pointing this out because it was interesting.

Dallas used AJ as thier 6th man. He starts for us.

Stackhouse was one of our starter. They use him as a 6th man.

He would have never stood for that here but he will do it there.

Why ? I guess because they are title contenders and they are that deep.

This is why I point out that as we become more deep, you may see AJ become a 6th man again. I mostly say this because he cant move his feet quick enough on defense to guard a SF and he he cant hold up against the muscle of a true PF.

We could compensate for this with 4 other good defenders around him. Gil will have to become a better defender, which I think he can. He seems to be able to add everything else to his game.

Hughes is already a good defender. If we add a good PF defender then add Ramos, who seems to be nimble, we may be ok.

But we will have decissions to make. What will we do with Hayes and Jefferies. Will Hayes play some SG. If he does, what does that mean for Dixon. I guess he can play the back up PG. Then Blake is expendable or a bench rider. I think Blake may be getting pushed out. Profit could end up being a bench rider or pushed out also. If Hayes is playing SF and can defend, then you dont want to play AJ there. Jefferies is there also. What if he puts on some weight and adds an outside shot. He can dribble and defend already. Hes a good rebounder and can drive and dunk. If he keeps adding to his game and adding confidence, he could be very good in 2 year. So can Hayes. But I think Hayes may end up being more of a SG.

These players are going to start to realize they have to really work hard in the offseason to add to thier games and things are going to get every competitive. Your going to have to fight your guts out for a spot on this team from here on out. No longer will slots be held for developing players. You either can get it done, or your coming off the bench or your gone.

If we can keep everyone, next season should be very interesting.
Here is what I think they need to add.

Gilbert Arenas PG/SG ( needs to work more on PG and defense )
Larry Hughes SG/PG ( needs to lean to be PG when gil is hot )
Antawn Jamison SF/PF ( work on D )
Jarvis Hayes SG/SF ( work on driving, dunking, and D )
Brendan Haywood C ( foot speed and jumping speed )
Juan Dixon PG ( if we resign him he has to become a 2nd PG )
Etan Thomas C/PF ( We can upgrade here, he could be traded )
Jared Jeffries SF/PF( outside shot )
Kwame Brown PF/C( if he stays, court awareness, boding people )
Steve Blake SG ( he may not make it here, we could upgrade )
Damone Brown SF ( Id like to see him say )
Anthony Peeler PG( he could be gone )
Laron Profit SF/PG ( Id like to keep him )
Peter Ramos C ( just get him on the court. )
Michael Ruffin PF ( FTs, outside shot )

I wouldnt be surprised or upset if this is what we keep and added to it. Small to large.

Juan Dixon PG ( if we resign him he has to become a 2nd PG )
Gilbert Arenas PG/SG ( needs to work more on PG )
Larry Hughes SG/PG ( needs to lean to be PG when gil is hot )
Laron Profit SF/SG( Id like to keep him )
Jarvis Hayes SG/SF ( work on driving, dunking, and D )
Antawn Jamison SF/PF ( work on D )
Michael Ruffin PF/C( FTs, outside shot )
Jared Jeffries SF/PF ( FTs.outside shot )
Add starting POWER FORWARD.
Add PF/C who can shot from the outside.
Brendan Haywood C ( foot speed and jumping speed )
Peter Ramos C ( just get him on the court if he is ready. )

Keep around 2 extra players
Damone Brown SF/SG( Id like to see him say )
Steve Blake ( he may not make it here, we could upgrade )

Trade bait:
Etan Thomas ( he cant jump and he young ) We need to get Ramos on the court at center which leaves him a PF. He could back up there but Id rather have a PF/C who can shoot outside. We already have Ruffin as the rebounder hustle guy.

Anthony Peeler ( he could be gone. Getting to old. )

Kwame Brown ( if he stays, court awareness, boding people )

[refuze]

Jamison is never going to get better on defense. That's just the way he plays. You either have defensive skills or you don't.

[hands11]

Originally posted by refuze
Jamison is never going to get better on defense. That's just the way he plays. You either have defensive skills or you don't.

I disagree.

It may be unlikely he gets better, I dont know.

But you can get better.

You just have to focus and work in the things that may not come naturally. Most players who are great defenders have focused on this. They may have already had some natural ability like high, speed, or quickness but they worked hard on possitions, blocking skill, and footwork.

With Jamison, he has decent hieght and he can run pretty fast in a straight line, he just doesnt have quick feet.

He has to do a ton a drills to improve his foot speed and foot work. The right coach and proper dedication can help him.

You have to dedicated yourself to it. Its a matter of focus and desire to get better. He just has to decide to work on this in the off season.

He may never be a top defender, but he can get better. Even a marginal improvement would help this team a ton.

[Skins11]

Originally posted by Warhead36
Jerry Stackapartment wasn't the best defender either...

:laugh: I hate Jerry Craphouse / Stackcrap / Crapstack. I didn't know they stacked crap that high!

[galentjm]

Originally posted by hands11

Add starting POWER FORWARD.
Add PF/C who can shot from the outside.


This could be the wish list for almost every other team in the league. Fact is athletic big men, let alone those who can shoot, don't grow on trees. And for this reason I don't see us making any major changes here.

Who knows what Ramos brings to the table, and based on how little he is used (given that the Wizards almost never seem to have slop time for him) I don't think he's close enough to be relied upon to backup Haywood.

You're analysis of Jamison's defensive pitfalls is right on, but his scoring and leadership keep him on the court. Despite being a "tweener" he undoubtedly provides stability for this team, and is extremely cool under pressure. I think the Grunfield and Jordan both feel comfortable with him in a starting role.

I do think we could see Kwame moving on this offseason. He's had plenty of time to reacclimate himself after returning form injury, and let's face it, he ain't cutting it. He can't even break the starting lineup. Nothing would please me more than seeing Kwame develop into a force down low, but I'm starting to think that this just isn't going to happen and we might be better off trading him now while we can still get something for him. His jumper needs work, he doesn't block shots particularly well and is VERY inconsistent. He does however provide a physical presence in the paint, and is a decent rebounder, so who knows, he might stick around.

[bulldog]

Antawn Jamison is leading the Wizards to the playoffs with his work ethic. Stackhouse is riding an already good team and depending upon others to do the heavy lifting.

We know from experience that teams do better AFTER Stackhouse has left town.

The Pistons got Richard Hamilton and won a championship.

The Wizards are on the way to their best season since 1979.

This trade was incredibly one-sided when you consider the relative ages and contributions of the players.

[Skins11]

Originally posted by bulldog
The Pistons got Richard Hamilton and won a championship.

The Wizards are on the way to their best season since 1979.


Never thought of it like that. Good point!

Clearly, Stackhouse is a cancer. However, he DID make Ben Wallace a better rebounder - with all of his 50 errant shots a game, it gave Big Ben a ton of practice in that department.

Right after the Pistons got rid of Craphouse, Pistons got to the East Finals. The next year they won it all. I'm happy we don't have this malingering, landlord-beating jerk on the team. I'm glad we have had our best season since the 70s without him.

I can't believe we got rid of him AND Laettner at the same time. Laettner was also a huge cancer and set a bad example for all the youngians on the team.

[hands11]

Clearly, Stackhouse is a cancer. However, he DID make Ben Wallace a better rebounder - with all of his 50 errant shots a game, it gave Big Ben a ton of practice in that department.


lmao

[thebac]

I think Dallas got the better end of the deal, but both teams got better.

Realistically, I think Abe wanted to clean house, and Stack and Laettner had to go, so it comes down to this: win today with AJ or (maybe) in the future with Devin Harris.

Also, don't undersell AJ. He's not a perennial all-star (or even close), this year notwithstanding, but he's solid, well better than an average starter. Even last year he deserved to start (over Walker), but took one for the team (never even complained about his inconsistent minutes).

[hands11]

Originally posted by thebac
I think Dallas got the better end of the deal, but both teams got better.

Realistically, I think Abe wanted to clean house, and Stack and Laettner had to go, so it comes down to this: win today with AJ or (maybe) in the future with Devin Harris.

Also, don't undersell AJ. He's not a perennial all-star (or even close), this year notwithstanding, but he's solid, well better than an average starter. Even last year he deserved to start (over Walker), but took one for the team (never even complained about his inconsistent minutes).

Who is the better defender ? Walker or AJ ?