ESPN Rankings

[mad4comp]

ROFL..Marc Stein is a total moron, i dont understand why ESPN still has this nutjob doing Power Rankings.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2005&week=24

Wizards - 16 - "References to '97-98 aren't meaningful to Bulls only. Until now, Wiz haven't had a winning season since His Airness retired, either."

Teams Wiz are better than:

Nets - They had Vince, Kidd, and Jefferson, and we still demolished them by 24.

Grizzlies - Didnt we sweep this team, and look at them, they could only clinch because Minnesota lost.

6ers - Sorry, but as we've proven before, a 3 man show > 1 man show.

Pacers - Their record shows how much better they are, P.S with JO in their lineup we've beaten them twice.

Bulls - Refer to Last wednesday's game.


What a dousche.

P.S and Chicago without Deng or Curry is still up there in the top 10. What a loser, i hope he gets axed by ESPN for being so blatantly dumb.

[mad4comp]

Although i agree the bulls are doing great, they dont deserve to be up there in the top ten when their leading scorer and deng are out. Who do they have that can stop Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison ?

[BG]

utter crap

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yeah, I was just about to start a thread on this very topic...i still can't beleive the bulls are in the top 10...it's almost like everyones so hyped for them because this is the first time they've been good since MJ left them or something...i don't get it...

I think if we get past the first round people will take us a bit more seriously....

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by mad4comp
Bulls - Refer to Last wednesday's game.

P.S and Chicago without Deng or Curry is still up there in the top 10. What a loser, i hope he gets axed by ESPN for being so blatantly dumb.

The Bulls are 8-3 without Curry, 6-3 without Deng. Losses include Miami, an Overtime loss to Detroit (which they had in hand and blew with a mistake at the very last second) and one to the Wizards. And I emphasize ONE to the Wizards. Miami lost to Charlotte a few weeks ago, does that one game decide who's better?

Love the overreaction, though. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by mad4comp
Who do they have that can stop Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison ?

He said it again. :laugh:

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


The Bulls are 8-3 without Curry, 6-3 without Deng. Losses include Miami, an Overtime loss to Detroit (which they had in hand and blew with a mistake at the very last second) and one to the Wizards. And I emphasize ONE to the Wizards. Miami lost to Charlotte a few weeks ago, does that one game decide who's better?

Love the overreaction, though. :thumbsup:



He said it again. :laugh:

Hmmm...so who'd you beat during that win streak ? And plus you were like down 10+ in like every game and had to rely on the heroics of a total scrubs once in a lifetime game.

Alright i gave you guys props in the second post, but you still lost to the good teams without Curry or Deng (wiz included). So i dont think you deserve to be in the top 10.

P.S i said it again, because i havent recieved a response...again.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by mad4comp


Hmmm...so who'd you beat during that win streak ? And plus you were like down 10+ in like every game and had to rely on the heroics of a total scrubs once in a lifetime game.

Alright i gave you guys props in the second post, but you still lost to the good teams without Curry or Deng (wiz included). So i dont think you deserve to be in the top 10.

P.S i said it again, because i havent recieved a response...again.

*sigh* I can't wait for the series to get started.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


*sigh* I can't wait for the series to get started.

you dodged my question yet again..

But anyways, your right, i cant wait for this series to get started.:cheers: :cheers:

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by mad4comp
you dodged my question yet again..

It's not much of a question, just you hyping up your players. No one stops Arenas, though.

Also, you need to get out of this Superstar mentality. If basketball was about who has the biggest stars or best players with 20+ ppg, the Lakers would have beat Detroit last year.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


It's not much of a question, just you hyping up your players. No one stops Arenas, though.

Also, you need to get out of this Superstar mentality. If basketball was about who has the biggest stars or best players with 20+ ppg, the Lakers would have beat Detroit last year.

You answered 1/3 of the question now wheres the rest ?

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by mad4comp


You answered 1/3 of the question now wheres the rest ?

The rest will come next week. ;)

By the way, the so-called scrubs you mentioned earlier are our best defensive players. Nocioni & Chandler (out in previous game), Duhon and Hinrich. Each one of these guys plays more defense then your team combined. :silly:

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by CrazyZeb


The rest will come next week. ;)

By the way, the so-called scrubs you mentioned earlier are our best defensive players. Nocioni & Chandler (out in previous game), Duhon and Hinrich. Each one of these guys plays more defense then your team combined. :silly:

I was talking about Duhon, wanna bet he doesnt make a repeat performance ?

P.S with chandler in that last game we were up by like 16, if he hadnt gone out, we woulda been up by 25+

Great that they play perimeter defense, but if they try to man up Larry and Gil, they will get called for fouls early and often. Must i tell you what happens when the Wizards play the Bulls bench? :)

[mad4comp]

I dont want this to turn off topic again so i will end it here..

Marc Stein is an idiot.. :)

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by mad4comp
I dont want this to turn off topic again so i will end it here..

Marc Stein is an idiot.. :)

Hear, hear! :cheers: :laugh:

[richard saunders]

I was pretty impressed at Hinrich's defense on Arenas last Wed.

He had him pretty frustrated late in the game.

We can go by much from last Wed. Chandler is one of their best defenders and he was out almost the entire game.

That said, I do think we are a better team in a 7 game series. With Curry and Deng, I think otherwise. They can still beat us if Duhon stays real hot.

[Chachie]

By this guy's logic we are the worst team in the playoffs. How come we have the fifth seed, JERK?

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by Chachie
By this guy's logic we are the worst team in the playoffs. How come we have the fifth seed, JERK?

No kidding, makes no sense. Does he have a LennyP-style vendetta against you guys?

[TheSteve]

With our record and our winning streak we should be no lower than 10th. It's not like we are backing into the playoffs like Seattle or backing out like Cleveland.

[hands11]

Well, when you play like we did against the Bobcats, I guess you dont win that many people over.

The Bulls 2nd string gave us a serious run.

The Bobcats had players I never heard of scoring 20 pts.

The fact that we have no D, team shots a high FG%, launch 3s at a high %, we have no team offense, and no PG running the show.

Well, I guess people are still not sold.

We have 3 all stars who can score 20+ a night.
One plays steady but risky D. The other 2 are poor defenders.

We could be great on any given night if we ran a pick and screen offense that help non one on one super stars get open. If we had a PG who get post players the ball for easy scores. IE MIL Game.

If we can get someone to play PG and think pass first.

If we played like a team instead of 3 stars and some players.

So, you never know on any given night with us. What kind of ball will we play. I think this has something to do with it.

You know Chicago is going to play D
You know NJ has a vet PG who is going to run the show and an All star athletic SG who can fill it up.
Indi is defenately a team.

Im not saying all the team listed over us should be. But I can undestand what makes us hard to rate.

Does anyone know what Wiz team will show up against NJ ? I dont, but Im guess the shot distribution will look a lot like the bobcat game, and that doesnt give me high hopes. That kind of ball just bearly beat the bobcats. Its not going to get us far in the playoffs.

We need to play more like a TEAM. We need someone to be the PG and run the show, get other involved. All this one on one isnt going to work against good teams.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

I've never had a problem with Stein, but this is a low blow. We've bounced back nicely from that sad losing streak, winning 4 in a row. Including a nice win over our first round nemesis, the Bulls, who we're now 2-1 against. I don't want to hear any crying about Curry not playing either because the one game they beat us, we didn't have Hughes. Stein can eat a fat one when Philly and NJ get swept in the playoffs and the Wiz beat the Bulls. He's just been added to my sports mediots sh1tlist, not enough to switch Fatty P from my moniker though (if it was still allowed).

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

Hands, what you said is true, but I don't buy it that it makes us the worst playoff-bound team in the league. In fact, aside from a healthy Miami and Detroit, it makes us the most dangerous in the East because of the firepower we have. We have the guns to outscore any of the other 5 teams, and if Gil can move the ball around a little more than he does (hopefully he'll realize he'll have to in the playoffs), our O could be unstoppable. What you said is basically why the Wiz have little shot of making it to the finals this year, at least the defense part. But a true pass first PG is overrated. How many titles do Jason Kidd or Steve Nash or Payton have? Look at the past 3 championship starting PGs - Billups, Parker, and Derek Fisher. Those guys may pass more than Arenas, but I wouldn't put them near the top of the list for the passing, playmaking PGs. Arenas has the talent to be the assist men these guys are (well, Parker and Billups, at least), and based on how much he's matured the last couple of seasons, I'm going to bet that the playoffs will be a wake up call for him and he'll see how he needs to move the ball around a little more for this team to reach their potential. Once he learns to find the open man when he breaks a team down with the dribble (a la AI), he'll be twice the player he is now.

[TheSteve]

Hands is just one of those wet blankets. If he had a heart checkup that came back negative he'd say, "Well that's one less way I'll die I guess." He's focused on the negative, the impending failure, the coming letdown. Always prepping himself for that downfall so that when it comes he will not be dissapointed because he allowed himself to hope. And because of this he might enjoy our first round win over Chicago and push Miami to the limit this year more than any of us because he didnt expect it.

[CrazyZeb]

Originally posted by TheSteve
Hands is just one of those wet blankets. If he had a heart checkup that came back negative he'd say, "Well that's one less way I'll die I guess." He's focused on the negative, the impending failure, the coming letdown. Always prepping himself for that downfall so that when it comes he will not be dissapointed because he allowed himself to hope. And because of this he might enjoy our first round win over Chicago and push Miami to the limit this year more than any of us because he didnt expect it.

What do you expect, he's a Redskins fan. ;)

[TODD]

The whole 76ers thing baffles me. If he's going to rank us in the LOWER HALF OF TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE, then give a reason. I usually respect his rankings, but they're way off base considering our demolition of Chicago and a convincing win over the Cavs.


...and off of the Wizards topic, Golden State (32-48) over the T'Wolves (42-38). Yeah the Wolves disappointed, but trash like that says a lot about his ranking system.

[mad4comp]

I hope EJ prints out that ESPN Rankings and places them in the corridor leading to the Arena so they can look at it while they go out and play the game, and look at it again when they win. And also they can collectively spit on the page if they like.... :)

MOTIVATION!

[Chachie]

Originally posted by mad4comp
I hope EJ prints out that ESPN Rankings and places them in the corridor leading to the Arena so they can look at it while they go out and play the game, and look at it again when they win. And also they can collectively spit on the page if they like.... :)

MOTIVATION!


That's the spirit, mad4! :)

[Warhead36]

Who cares? This isn't college football.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Fatty P For The Pulitzer
Hands, what you said is true, but I don't buy it that it makes us the worst playoff-bound team in the league. In fact, aside from a healthy Miami and Detroit, it makes us the most dangerous in the East because of the firepower we have. We have the guns to outscore any of the other 5 teams, and if Gil can move the ball around a little more than he does (hopefully he'll realize he'll have to in the playoffs), our O could be unstoppable. What you said is basically why the Wiz have little shot of making it to the finals this year, at least the defense part. But a true pass first PG is overrated. How many titles do Jason Kidd or Steve Nash or Payton have? Look at the past 3 championship starting PGs - Billups, Parker, and Derek Fisher. Those guys may pass more than Arenas, but I wouldn't put them near the top of the list for the passing, playmaking PGs. Arenas has the talent to be the assist men these guys are (well, Parker and Billups, at least), and based on how much he's matured the last couple of seasons, I'm going to bet that the playoffs will be a wake up call for him and he'll see how he needs to move the ball around a little more for this team to reach their potential. Once he learns to find the open man when he breaks a team down with the dribble (a la AI), he'll be twice the player he is now.

Dude, Im right there. I said, what I was writting, didnt mean theWiz should be ranked that low. Its just what worries me about them. No doubt Gil CAN do it. I just hate going into the playoffs wonder, WILL he do it. Or WHEN the light goes on. Will it be to late ? Its like quicksand, the father behind we get, the more one on one we do. The less team ball we play. I think we make it harder on ourselves then it needs to be.

He has shown an amazing ability to do anything he sets his mind to. He could actually become if not, the best, one of the top 5 players in the league. He just has to devote himself to playing D, and get smarter about when to play PG, pass first, and when the score. I hurd a caller on a talk show the other day and the radio dude said, Hughes is the best all around player, Gil is the most talented. This is because of Gils weak D. Thats it.

The other adjustments is either Hughes or EJ. If Hughes can learn to chill and play PG, which he played before, when Gil is playing SG, then you leave them both in. If not, EJ has to see when this isnt happening and pull Hughes or insert a PG ( i guess Peeler ) and move Hughes to SF. Dixon is ok at playing PG sometimes but its nothing Im taking to the bank. Blakes just isnt getting it done enough of the time as a PG but there is a huge opp for him if someone either would push him through the door, or he figures it out himself. Peeler may actually end up being a huge piece for us if he can play true PG when he is in cause that adds a PG and he can defend.

As for us not needing this because other teams dont have it. I guess I see it like this. I dont know this for sure, but Im going to guess all those other teams have post players who can do more then ours ON THEIR OWN. Parker has Shaq. You get Shaq the ball with in 10 ft and he can bully his way in for a dunk. All by himself. Thats just passing to a post man in a spot and letting him do his thing. Our guy arent great at that.

Haywood is getting much better. Etan is a whirling durby. I dont usually trust his post game. Hes even good for a missed dunk once or twice a game, if he is trying to jump in traffic or over someone. But you feed him after a drive and dish, and hes putting it in. Kwame is best from the foul line area. He sucks down low posting up. But again, feed him in rythem to the hoop and its 2. He even got that nice alley op the other day. He can do more of that, but again, thats what a passing PG does. They look for that. Our guards look to shot and pass the last second.

So, the way I see it, we do need this kind of player. Like against MIL. A PG who will think pass first and feed the post for EASY shots. Not all 48 minutes but a good deal of the time. Once this is established, you can carrier that threat the whole game. Then you can use GIL, HUGHES and AJ for a period of time and the other team has to cover the whole court. It actually make it easier for them to do what they do.

But if we dont get the big involved eary, when we can, before we fall behind or when the game is tight later in the game, everyone knows we arent going to them late. Then it become 1 on 5 as our 3 stars put on the S and go at them. Sometimes we pull it out, but it going to be 10x harder once the playoffs hit. Those comebacks arent going to happen nearly so easy. As a matter of fact, our 10-15 pt deficts that we get into, come playoff time, they become 20-25 pt BLOWOUTS. Teams dont let up. They will burry you.

Its soooo frustrating, because, YES, we can wake up and get this. It could happen any game, and we could go on a run. Or, we may not.

I just wish it was something we aleady proved we get as players and as a team. Then we would know we would whip up on people.

[hands11]

Originally posted by TheSteve
Hands is just one of those wet blankets. If he had a heart checkup that came back negative he'd say, "Well that's one less way I'll die I guess." He's focused on the negative, the impending failure, the coming letdown. Always prepping himself for that downfall so that when it comes he will not be dissapointed because he allowed himself to hope. And because of this he might enjoy our first round win over Chicago and push Miami to the limit this year more than any of us because he didnt expect it.

Look here fluff for brains. You couldnt be any father from the true. I am the exact opposite of what you described. Always glass half full. Always pulling for my team. I hope they go all the way. And if I see them doing things that will get them there, Ill be the first to shout from the mountain top. Im the one who first called for 50+ wins, and we would have done it if we werent so hurt. So shut your face, you dont know what your talking about.

If you actually had been on this board posting from the beginning instead a clown act Johny come lately, youd know I was here talking these guys up when there were like 5 of us here.

But instead, you are an adolesent punk. Thats way I blocked your posts. Because I realized that a long time ago. The only reason I saw what you posted is because someone replied to it.

So go play with your Garanimals.

[TheSteve]

Originally posted by hands11


Look here fluff for brains. You couldnt be any father from the true. I am the exact opposite of what you described. Always glass half full. Always pulling for my team. I hope they go all the way. And if I see them doing things that will get them there, Ill be the first to shout from the mountain top. Im the one who first called for 50+ wins, and we would have done it if we werent so hurt. So shut your face, you dont know what your talking about.

If you actually had been on this board posting from the beginning instead a clown act Johny come lately, youd know I was here talking these guys up when there were like 5 of us here.

But instead, you are an adolesent punk. Thats way I blocked your posts. Because I realized that a long time ago. The only reason I saw what you posted is because someone replied to it.

So go play with your Garanimals.

I don't know why I'm responding since you can't read or reply.

You aren't glass half full. Ever since I've been here you've always been the one to point out what was wrong and why we wouldn't do this because of X. I didn't even know there was a Wizards forum and that's why I wasn't here from the beginning. It's also amusing to me that someone who would call someone an adolescent punk would stoop to elamentary name calling and kindergarden insults. "Garanimals"? "Fluff for brains"? "Clown act johnny come lately"? :laugh: I guess it's better to be a kindergarden verbal king than a profane talking internet tough guy!

I never disputed you were there for the team I just stated my perception of what type of fan you are. That's the vibe you give off with me. You also come across as a know it all who likes to control and dominate conversation and shun anyone who doesn't conform to your standard of conversation.

We shouldn't even be arguing. We're both fans of the same team in both Sports.
:)