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hands11
April-23rd-2005, 01:05 AM
Well said in this article

Saturday, April 23, 2005; Page D08

As the team bus pulls up to Chicago's United Center on Sunday, the Washington Wizards won't be able to avoid his mythical status -- a 17-foot monument reflecting his electrifying, high-flying greatness is erected in front of the building. When the Wizards walk onto the court, they won't be able to escape his overwhelming shadow -- the six championship banners he helped win and his No. 23 jersey will be hanging above their heads.

Michael Jordan is the obvious link in the first-round series between the Wizards and the Chicago Bulls -- two franchises for which Jordan played, two young teams that have recovered from long postseason droughts to meet each other in the playoffs. (Jordan was also on the court when each franchise played its last playoff game -- he led the Bulls to a championship in 1998 and his Bulls swept the Bullets in 1997.)



Michael Jordan, here at Madison Square Garden on April 16, will have more than a rooting interest in the Wizards-Bulls playoff series. (Julie Jacobson -- AP)

To one, Jordan is revered, leaving behind the image of him pushing off Utah's Bryon Russell and striking a pose after hitting the game-winning shot that clinched the Bulls' sixth championship. To the other, he has been rebuked, leaving behind the image of him driving away, convertible top dropping on his Mercedes -- with Illinois plates.

He is a legend in Chicago, having provided the city with an endless stream of memories. He was a fading legend in Washington, discarded with a cold goodbye and $10 million check that went untouched. "He had a great history there," Wizards guard Juan Dixon said, "a so-so history here."

Jordan didn't generate much more than sold-out games at MCI Center and millions in revenue during his two-year stint playing for the Wizards. He is barely mentioned in the team media guide, where his photograph is nowhere to be found.

Before coming out of retirement for the second time -- at age 38 -- in 2001, Jordan spent 1 1/2 seasons as president of basketball operations. When his playing days were done, Jordan expected to move back up to the front office, but owner Abe Pollin wanted to move in another direction.

But while Jordan built a championship model for the Bulls to follow, he also helped build the foundation for the Wizards. He is responsible for bringing in half of the players currently on the Wizards' playoff roster: three starters in center Brendan Haywood, guard Larry Hughes, forward Jared Jeffries; and three valued reserves in Dixon, forward Kwame Brown and center Etan Thomas.

"We still have a link. He brought me here," said Hughes, who played one season with Jordan after signing a three-year deal with the Wizards in 2002. "He was part of a group that showed faith in me that I could play, that I could help a team win. I always talk to him, especially when I go to Chicago. I work out in Chicago. We always get together to talk about what I could do to be better."

Jordan was blamed for stunting the development of several young Wizards, but Haywood didn't see it that way. "He was such a dominant player over his career. Why not give the most dominant player in NBA history the ball?"

Haywood, however, admits that for two seasons, the Wizards were basically a side attraction in a one-man Jordan Show that failed to live up to its billing. There were no expectations that the Wizards would succeed this season, but they have created an exciting identity built around three stars instead of one. "I think the people rally behind us because we have our own style," he said. "Sometimes it's easier when people don't expect you to do anything."

Brown had some well-publicized squabbles with Jordan and expressed relief when he left, but Hughes, Jeffries and Dixon credited Jordan with teaching them a level of professionalism.

"I watched how he handled himself on and off the court. I watched the sacrifices he made with a guy coming in, working hard, keeping his body where he needed to be to compete at the highest level every night, giving this team an opportunity to win. I just took in all of that stuff," Hughes said. "I really want to be half the player he was, and accomplish half the things he accomplished, that'd be a pretty good job."

When Wizards President of Basketball Operations Ernie Grunfeld took over in the summer of 2003, he signed point guard Gilbert Arenas to a six-year, $64 million contract but he didn't bother tinkering too much with the talent Jordan left in place.

"We gave everybody an opportunity, and we always say, eventually, the players tell us what to do by their performance," Grunfeld said. After one season, in which the Wizards won just 25 games, Grunfeld decided to swap two of Jordan's pieces -- Jerry Stackhouse and Christian Laettner -- and a first-round draft pick to Dallas in exchange for forward Antawn Jamison. He also matched a six-year, $38 million offer sheet for Thomas, one of the first players Jordan acquired in an eight-player deal that sent Juwan Howard to Dallas in 2001. "It's sort of a combination of those two guys coming together," Hughes said of Jordan and Grunfeld.

"It was a situation where a lot of GMs would've come in and probably would've tried to disassemble what's been here. You have to give Ernie credit in knowing which pieces to keep, which pieces would be successful together," Jamison said. "You have to find a fine line as far as chemistry."

Although Hughes and Jeffries keep in regular contact with their former teammate, they don't have to think twice about which team Jordan will be pulling for in this series.

"Chicago -- definitely," Hughes said with a laugh.

"You already know," Jeffries said.

hands11
April-23rd-2005, 01:23 AM
So those of you that were around for my thread.

MJ deserves all our thanks and respect


well, I feel vindicated.

Im sure you are going to hear more of the same by the broadcasters. I hadnt even though about this until I read this article but that are probably going to do a lot on MJ because of this match up. Should be interesting.

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Hughes seems to have learned a lot from him.

Brown had some well-publicized squabbles with Jordan and expressed relief when he left, but Hughes, Jeffries and Dixon credited Jordan with teaching them a level of professionalism.

But while Jordan built a championship model for the Bulls to follow, he also helped build the foundation for the Wizards. He is responsible for bringing in half of the players currently on the Wizards' playoff roster: three starters in center Brendan Haywood, guard Larry Hughes, forward Jared Jeffries; and three valued reserves in Dixon, forward Kwame Brown and center Etan Thomas.

"We still have a link. He brought me here," said Hughes, who played one season with Jordan after signing a three-year deal with the Wizards in 2002. "He was part of a group that showed faith in me that I could play, that I could help a team win. I always talk to him, especially when I go to Chicago. I work out in Chicago. We always get together to talk about what I could do to be better."


Jordan was blamed for stunting the development of several young Wizards, but Haywood didn't see it that way.

"It was a situation where a lot of GMs would've come in and probably would've tried to disassemble what's been here. You have to give Ernie credit in knowing which pieces to keep, which pieces would be successful together," Jamison said. "You have to find a fine line as far as chemistry."

"It's sort of a combination of those two guys coming together," Hughes said of Jordan and Grunfeld. ( and he isnt talking about EJ hes talking about MJ )


And all my point was is that MJ had a hand in this. He deserve our thanks and respect. Him coming here is what starting things to turn around.

Chachie
April-24th-2005, 01:06 AM
:snore:

aejm1400
April-25th-2005, 12:53 PM
All I can give Jordon credit for is the buying of some of the parts. Jordan and Grunfeld get the credit of swaping a few parts out to help build a car that can actually run.

I mean, Jordon brought in Collins who did nothing but what Jordon told him to. Jordon wanted to be the buyer, builder, and driver instead of letting some other people help out. Taking on to many jobs caused a crazy decision to drop Rip for Stack. Jordon would have really impressed me had he brought in a coach that would have stood up to him.Okay, enough car comparisions.

Again, I can only give Jordon credit for buying some of the parts we have on this playoff team. Nothing more, nothing less.

hands11
April-25th-2005, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by aejm1400
All I can give Jordon credit for is the buying of some of the parts. Jordan and Grunfeld get the credit of swaping a few parts out to help build a car that can actually run.

I mean, Jordon brought in Collins who did nothing but what Jordon told him to. Jordon wanted to be the buyer, builder, and driver instead of letting some other people help out. Taking on to many jobs caused a crazy decision to drop Rip for Stack. Jordon would have really impressed me had he brought in a coach that would have stood up to him.Okay, enough car comparisions.

Again, I can only give Jordon credit for buying some of the parts we have on this playoff team. Nothing more, nothing less.


glass half full or half empty.
thankful or bitter.

I think the article points out more then you give him credit for.


I'll go with what actually happen. What I saw and what the article talks about over your take on things.

thito_da_skins_fan
April-25th-2005, 03:47 PM
I wasn't around, I guess, for the MJ thread.

But...

I'll never forget the few years that Jordan was here. He, without a doubt, brought excitement and life to an organization that was all but dead. I didn't agree with some choices he made (both as GM and player), and I had no doubt his departure was best for the organization, but I'll always be thankful for the time period he was in DC.

Furthermore, as far as the Hamilton/Stackhouse trade, it's possibly one of the worst trades in NBA history. But, I don't think anyone, myself included, thought so at the time. I would have made the same trade if I was in the position and I refuse to fault him for pulling the trigger.

Diablo23
April-25th-2005, 06:51 PM
I thank him for what he brought to the court in those 2 years he played.

aejm1400
April-26th-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by hands11



glass half full or half empty.
thankful or bitter.

I think the article points out more then you give him credit for.


I'll go with what actually happen. What I saw and what the article talks about over your take on things.

Well, I just am going off how they did as a team. Yeah people knew who the Wizards were, yeah they came to see him play, but the young guys they were getting came up on way different sides of the fence.

I'd like to know how Kwame would have done in a different learning environment. Little things like that along the way that may have not been handled the best. I know the MJ era is a link in the chain that got us into the playoffs, but that's about it for me.

Originally posted by thito_da_skins_fan

I wasn't around, I guess, for the MJ thread.

But...

I'll never forget the few years that Jordan was here. He, without a doubt, brought excitement and life to an organization that was all but dead. I didn't agree with some choices he made (both as GM and player), and I had no doubt his departure was best for the organization, but I'll always be thankful for the time period he was in DC.

Furthermore, as far as the Hamilton/Stackhouse trade, it's possibly one of the worst trades in NBA history. But, I don't think anyone, myself included, thought so at the time. I would have made the same trade if I was in the position and I refuse to fault him for pulling the trigger.

See, I can honestly say that I thought this was a bad trade at the time. Here was Rip who had a good year the year before, and played like he didn't have to be the star taking all the shoots. A perfect compliment to Jordon who would want to take alot of big shots.

Stack was another guy who liked taking alot of shots along with the big ones. I don't know how Jordon couldn't see how him and Stack were going to clash being two people who like to take the big shots.

That's why I felt that way during the trade. Rip would have happily passed the ball to Jordon for that last shot which could have helped build the team at that time.

thito_da_skins_fan
April-26th-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by aejm1400
See, I can honestly say that I thought this was a bad trade at the time. Here was Rip who had a good year the year before, and played like he didn't have to be the star taking all the shoots. A perfect compliment to Jordon who would want to take alot of big shots.

Stack was another guy who liked taking alot of shots along with the big ones. I don't know how Jordon couldn't see how him and Stack were going to clash being two people who like to take the big shots.

That's why I felt that way during the trade. Rip would have happily passed the ball to Jordon for that last shot which could have helped build the team at that time.

Jordan knew how many seasons he'd play for. I would like to think he made the trade with the idea of Stack "taking over" after his departure. Rip was never the type of player to carry a team on his back. Stack, at the time, was thought to be that type of player.

Furthermore, Rip was demanding, supposedly, a contract that we either a) couldn't afford or b) didn't feel was equal to his talent.

At the time, it seemed like a steal. In the end, it was a horrible trade. I'd compare it to the Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade. A player, who ultimately, you're probably going to lose. But instead, you get a player like Stackhouse in return, which, once again, at the time, seemed a no-brainer.