I like Floyd too. He has amazing hands.
Julio looks much bigger and stronger this year and that one handed catch he made saturday was amazing. How tall his Julio though? Because I'd like the skins to pick up a taller receiver (maybe 6-3 or up)
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I like Floyd too. He has amazing hands.
Julio looks much bigger and stronger this year and that one handed catch he made saturday was amazing. How tall his Julio though? Because I'd like the skins to pick up a taller receiver (maybe 6-3 or up)
He's 6'4 and looks like he's about 220. He's not much smaller than Baldwin is. Floyd is big too, he's about 6'3 and is listed around 230 although he looks sloppier than the others. Jones is actually the smallest one of the bunch. He's listed at 6'4 but he's lanky. He'll have to add some weight to fill out his frame.Quote:
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Floyd looks smaller though on film but your right he's actually a pretty big guy 6'3 is a good size for a WR and someone who can be the #2 or #1 depending on how you use him in the offenseQuote:
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Allen Bailey, DL, Miami
Senior, 6'4", 285 lbs.
http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uplo...llenbailey.jpg
Boy are we in for a treat with Allen Bailey because he's got not one, not two, but three games worth of cutups on youtube for our viewing pleasure. As for some background on Bailey, he's got a Paul Bunyan like personal legend growing for himself. I wrote a very long evaluation of him last year, so if you're interested in reading up on him, here's the post: http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost...5&postcount=40
Here's the short version of his backstory: blah blah grew up in tiny Gullah town of Sapelo Island Georgia, blah blah had to row across a swamp to the mainland to play football, blah blah freakish natural abilities, blah blah stud MLB recruit in H.S., blah blah once killed an Alligator with a shovel.
That's the gist of it. It really is a fascinating life story if you care to read my old post and check out the links to ESPN articles I included. If not, on to the youtube videos:
vs. GT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkxO8qcM5lk
vs. FSU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-A6SlfWKPo
vs. Wake Forest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQvcXWLQKyk&NR=1
In two of the games (FSU and GT), Bailey plays mostly inside as a 3 technique and he looks most comfortable in this position. In the Wake Forest game, Bailey clearly struggles a bit playing out on the TE in a 7 and 9 technique. Chalk it up to positional unfamiliarity. He's been moved around at Miami so much that he's never had a chance to find a home position. From an athletic standpoint, he's clearly capable of playing DE in a 4-3. But I'd say he lacks the instincts and recognition skills to do it at this juncture. He's probably a better fit in the interior at a 3, 4, and 5 technique in our scheme.
The first thing that jumps out at one from the videos is Bailey's frame. He's a taller, faster Brodrick Bunkley with even less body fat. He's got a broad, barrel chest, big bubble, and thick legs. He has a condor-like wingspan which is one of the longest I've ever seen, and he's got enormous hands that look like they could palm watermelons. Suffice to say, he has a unique body type.
The second thing that jumps out from the videos is Bailey's dominating speed and strength. I was able to pick up from those short clips that he's got an elite first step and does a good job anticipating the snap count on occasion (watch him jump the snap at 1:30 in the FSU video). He can fire out of his stance incredibly fast and plays with great pad level and arm extension. However, he looks off on some of the snap counts and is too slow out of his stance, especially when we see how blazing fast he can be with the proper anticipation. I've said before that I worried about his disappearing in games, and I think a failure to read his run/pass keys might be the culprit as he takes himself out of plays. Watch how Florida State runs the exact same running play twice in a row on him and he's slow to fill the gap both times from hesitation. Bailey looks like he still has LB instincts. He'll need to show this year that he's settled into his role as a defensive lineman and make some strides in his recognition skills. Still I will say that he generally looks very good locating the ball in the backfield, and he made some really nice heads-up plays against a tricky GT running offense. I think it's only a matter of time and repetition before he develops the awareness to consistently make an impact at his position.
However, when Bailey is on, he's dominating. He's got heavy hands and uses them well to sort through blocks. He is very good at stacking and shedding his blockers and he makes big linemen look impotent. He gives up no ground in the running game because he plays with such flexibility and base strength, and is capable of disengaging blocks at will most of the time (although he can struggle with this when asked to get up field). I believe he could be a phenomenal two gap run defender with some polish.
Bailey also an explosive tackler. I'm not sure I've seen a defensive lineman so good at making plays away from his frame except for Ndamukong Suh. And Bailey can break down in an instant in the open field and hit like a linebacker. He's so incredibly strong, once he wraps up ball carriers cannot break his tackles--he makes some plays with his hands and wingspan alone. He can also lay the wood when he gets a bead on a QB and he nearly flattened poor Riley Skinner. He looks fantastic in pursuit and he's got sideline to sideline range... as a defensive tackle. I also love the heads up way he protects his legs from cut blocks. His strength and balance are such that you never see him get taken off his feet. I'm pretty sure I watched a blocker in one of the videos try and crack him and Bailey just shrugged him off like a fly.
As far as pass rushing goes, I don't think he's got the ability to consistently bend the edge and use speed to loop wide to the QB. He has to use angles to get to the QB. Sometimes this leads him to break containment and opens up the cutback on his side for misdirection plays. It also leaves a lot of room for mobile QBs to run through once they escape the pocket. He's got a terrifying bullrush, but aside from that, he doesn't really have a repertoire of pass rushing moves. I want to see him develop his swat and rip moves more and show some counter moves. Lacking speed to threaten the edge is not a big deal though considering his position. He still manages to get good penetration on passing plays, especially if you project him as an end in a 3-4 front.
What does he entail for us?
I think he's a great candidate to play end in our defense. He'd be able to play all of our downs in all of our formations because of his versatility. He can two gap and anchor against the run, stack and shed, play laterally, shoot gaps, stunt, drop into zones, and he can pass rush. Basically, if you can draw up a responsibility for a lineman, he could do it. I also wouldn't hesitate to play him in a one technique on occasion. The key with Bailey will be patience. He's a smart player with a wonderful attitude and a great work ethic, but he hasn't had the time to develop as other prospects like Adrian Clayborn have. He might have a quiet rookie season, but is the type of player that in a few seasons, could blossom into an impact player much like Darrelle Revis did for the Jets.
There is no question Bailey own's the highest ceiling of any of the 3-4 lineman in this year's outstanding class. He's a top 25 pick based on potential alone. He's got some really good film out on him and he's already shown plenty of flashes as a dominant run defender. His footspeed and strength are such that he could develop into a truly threatening pass rusher as well with work. I don't know how much credence to put into his alleged 40 yard dash times. Apparently he ran a 4.6 at Miami once, but I don't know if that was when he was at LB or DT weight. If I had to guess, I'd say he's more likely to run in the 4.8-4.9 range now, which is very fast. And even if he does nothing else but become a dominant two gap stack and shed run defender in our front, he'd be well worth our first round pick.
As of now, I still have to rank Bailey behind Adrian Clayborn as a potential 5 technique. But after giving him another look, I'm comfortable ranking Bailey ahead of Cameron Heyward and Marcel Dareus as the second best 3-4 DE in the class. Heyward is more hot and cold than Bailey and I see Dareus as a better fit as a 3 technique in a 4-3 front, or playing 5 technique in a one gapping, attacking front just like I did for Gerald McCoy last season. All in all I'd rank Bailey 4th or 5th among 34 front seven talent. Were I looking specifically at front seven players, I'd take him if Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Stephen Paea, and possibly Jerrell Powe were all off the board. All in all, he'd be a vital addition to our defense, especially if Mr. Haynesworth gets dumped for 30 cents on the dollar.
I'm liking Kellen moore. IF the guy goes into the draft in 2011. He looks like a solid prospect. Driving on VT in one minute to win the game is no easy task.
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Reminds me of Jake Plummer
My only beef with Moore is that he's slow as syrup (which I guarantee Shanahan doesn't like if he watched him, Shanahan needs QBs who are active on roll outs, bootlegs, etc.), and his arm is fairly weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soup
I don't see him being able to make all the NFL throws, particularly outside the hashes.
Great head on his shoulders though. But physically he just doesn't seem to be all there for an NFL starting level QB, at least as a "franchise" type of guy.
If we're looking truly at mobility and arm strength then we have to look at 4 guys. Jake Locker, Andrew Luck, Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton. Dalton is now my man crush QB after watching him against a good Oregon State defense put up a good game I'm convinced that with some work and some fine tuning he can be a starting QB in the NFL. He has very good mobility and from all the film I've seen of him he has the arm strength to make all the throws. I can see him being a 3rd or 4th round pick based on how he'll need a little work but he's the got the potential to be a mid round guy who starts in the NFL after a year or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus87
He's tiny and doesn't have an NFL caliber arm. He might crack 6' in his cleats, but 170 pounds is about 50 too few. He's smart, coach's son and all that, but I don't think he's got a future in the NFL.Quote:
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I've already seen comparisons, just from last night, to being a weaker-armed Matt Leinart.
I think he's smart enough to maybe be a decent backup after some development, but his arm strength is going to ultimately limit him. He really had to wind up just to throw a 15 yard pass down the seam.
Of course he's not 1st round/ 2nd round material.
He reminds me a lot jake plummer, I think he would be a great prospect for Shanny.
Instead of Beck. But I'm not saying he should start.
He just won me over with that minute drive to win the game. A lot of people jumped on his bandwagon after that game. It was impressive
I'm officially on the Christian Ponder bandwagon I think.
What do y'all think about Dayne Crist?
And are there any small school QB's we should watch out for this year?
small school wise I would talk about Nathan Enderle the QB from Idaho as a small school guy who could blow up and be someone to be taken in the 2nd or 3rd round based on potentialQuote:
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Looks like Walterfootball.com took a few plays from each of these guys and gave their analysis.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook100905_2.php
Kris O'Dowd
1st - 12:25 - Good job bending at knees and getting in DTs pads ... understood the angle on this stretch run
1st - 10:42 - Nice strength and toughness on this play ... tenacious block
1st - 6:04 - Good job anchoring
1st - 4:19 - Oustanding strength and strong hands on this play ... physical blocker with pancake
1st - 3:53 - Good job getting to second level , shows some athleticism but could have done a better job sealing off angle
1st - 2:48 - Could be more low to ground ... very physical and strong, gets outstanding push in run game.
2nd - 13:08 - Smooth athlete in getting to 2nd level
3rd - 14:55 - Good leverage, nice hand use, very strong and gets push
Jurrell CaseyQuote:
Originally Posted by Forehead
1st - 14:34 - Great job staying low getting leverage ... quick hands ... nice motor ... very good athleticism and agility in pursuit
1st - 8:38 - Quick hands off snap on swim move ... gets penetration ... very quick athlete with nice agility
2nd 10:23 - Heavy hands and controls well ... gets some power at POA ... disruptive
2nd - 9:34 - Strong hands and very good quickness off snap ... stays low to generate power ... disruptive up middle forcing QB out of pocket
2nd - 4:02 - When he gets stuck, Casey does a good job of making a counter move. He understands pass rushing.
3rd - 8:55 - Displays elite flexibility and coordination on this play ... disrupts and is able to bend waist and lower shoulder to get to QB.
3rd - 8:06 - Disruptive, great motor, gives 100 percent and forces QB out of pocket
I have to tell you Oldskool I was shocked that O'Dowd didn't come out last year. I had him as a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. With Wisniewski at Penn State and O'Dowd that is one nice C group to look at. Almost similar to Alex Mack and Eric Wood a couple of years ago
He was dinged up last year and I think that he wanted to give a better showing before he went pro. I also don't think that he was physically mature enough either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukes and Skins
If he stays healthy and continues to develop, he could be a late 1st/2nd round selection. He'd have to go to the right system as well. He isn't a beast of a center and has a bit of a finesse game to him.