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SiCkSoULjA
I think I hate the Clippers as well only team I dislike more are the Lakers, if they play in the playoffs I could careless who wins.
Vesley compared too Noel :ols::ols::ols:
You're still salty about that?
Offensively, the comparison still stands. But defensively and on the defensive glass, Noel is much better.
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Duckus
Any chance he gets hit with the "flopping fine" for that one?
He damn well better. And he's a repeat offender though I doubt he's ever been fined before. He needs a suspension. He's probably the biggest flopper in the league. He's Meryl Streep and makes Manu look like Kristin Stewart.
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mboyd784
Solid effort last night. We lose that game by 20 in November. Better rebounding rotation, better FT shooting and better officiating and we can beat that team.
Absolutely. Though change only one of those things and we beat them. And it will never be the officiating...
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In the NBA, do players get fined for flops like that? It's one thing to exagerate a hit... it's another to be a Hollywood stuntman?
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BRAVEONAWARPATH
He's very quick/athletic and has a number of offensive moves.
But what he lacks is sufficient strength and guards who can feed the post and consistently hit an outside shot.
I've seen every Terps game this season and there is literally no room for Len to operate.
My biggest concern isn't so much his offensive game as his defensive game. Yesterday McAdoo, who is a much smaller player and a mismatch, was able to muscle Len around in the paint. Grabbed a number of offensive boards and easy buckets in the paint because Len struggled to hold position against him. A part of it was instincts. McAdoo shows really superior instincts at rebounding. But the biggest part of it was a lack of strength. McAdoo looks pretty well built for being the same class as Len. But it should have been a big mismatch in Len's favor. McAdoo is more of a SF than a C.
I think his potential is still very high given how great his frame is and how quick he is. But I think he's a big project given how much bulk and strength he has to develop.
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Burgold
In the NBA, do players get fined for flops like that? It's one thing to exagerate a hit... it's another to be a Hollywood stuntman?
They are supposed to get fined for early offenses. Repeated flopping is supposed to eventually draw suspensions. But so far, I've yet to hear of a single star player getting fined and plenty of them have committed ridiculous flops.
I think the rule is window dressing by the league, only peripheral players get punished and it created yet another uncompetitive line of line of separation between "stars" (haves) and the the normals (have nots).
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stevemcqueen1
My biggest concern isn't so much his offensive game as his defensive game. Yesterday McAdoo, who is a much smaller player and a mismatch, was able to muscle Len around in the paint. Grabbed a number of offensive boards and easy buckets in the paint because Len struggled to hold position against him. A part of it was instincts. McAdoo shows really superior instincts at rebounding. But the biggest part of it was a lack of strength. McAdoo looks pretty well built for being the same class as Len. But it should have been a big mismatch in Len's favor. McAdoo is more of a SF than a C.
I think his potential is still very high given how great his frame is and how quick he is. But I think he's a big project given how much bulk and strength he has to develop.[COLOR="Gold"]
I can't disagree with anything you wrote.
I think Len is a project as well but since we're more than likely picking somewhere between 4-7, I think his upside would be worth it.
I advocated taking Drummond last year based on upside and I'm approaching Len in the same way.
I'd rather go for the "homerun" rather than playing it safe.
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I was reading the game recap on BF, and it was noted that Nene has developed knee tendonitis in the wake of overcompensating for his foot problems.
If there are ANY feelers for Nene via trade, EVERY option needs to be explored. I like him a lot, but he's damaged goods, old, and has a horrible contract. Nothing is impossible, so I could forsee a playoff bound team wanting to strike a deal for Nene because he would be an excellent addition to many rosters around the league. I just don't think he's a good fit for us going forward due to what I mentioned before.
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BRAVEONAWARPATH
I can't disagree with anything you wrote.
I think Len is a project as well but since we're more than likely picking somewhere between 4-7, I think his upside would be worth it.
I advocated taking Drummond last year based on upside and I'm approaching Len in the same way.
I'd rather go for the "homerun" rather than playing it safe.
This team doesn't need any projects, it needs guys to be able to produce with Wall and Beal from the get go.
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StillUnknown
Yep, Nene got tagged with an offensive foul for that one.
Not only that, but old ass Joey Crawford gave Witt a technical for yelling that Nene didn't touch him.
Was really a turning point in the game.
If Griffin doesn't get suspended for that you know something is wrong. At least he's lost the respect of his peers.
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MonkFan8
Not only that, but old ass Joey Crawford gave Witt a technical for yelling that Nene didn't touch him.
Was really a turning point in the game.
If Griffin doesn't get suspended for that you know something is wrong. At least he's lost the respect of his peers.
I don't think Griffin is respected too much outside of his own team. He's got a WELL DESERVED rep.
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RonArtest15
I don't think Griffin is respected too much outside of his own team. He's got a WELL DESERVED rep.
Hell, even within his own team, lol
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Hersh
This team doesn't need any projects, it needs guys to be able to produce with Wall and Beal from the get go.
While I think Len's a project I don't think he's on the level of Vesely or anything.
I think he can be a contributor next season.
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RonArtest15
I was reading the game recap on BF, and it was noted that Nene has developed knee tendonitis in the wake of overcompensating for his foot problems.
If there are ANY feelers for Nene via trade, EVERY option needs to be explored. I like him a lot, but he's damaged goods, old, and has a horrible contract. Nothing is impossible, so I could forsee a playoff bound team wanting to strike a deal for Nene because he would be an excellent addition to many rosters around the league. I just don't think he's a good fit for us going forward due to what I mentioned before.
He's not that old though. Only 30. With his skill level, I would expect him to be able to play out the remainder of his contract before you see a sharp decline. The contract isn't horrible either IMO. 13 million flat per year for 3 more years is very fair value for what he brings--true big man, bruising style that beats up opponents, eats up lots of space, good team D, good passing from the post and the ability to command double teams, averages of about 15-16 PPG & 8-9 RPG on 55% shooting from the field, 70+ % FT shooting, with a 20+ PER for about 30 MPG and 70 games per year. The only seasons where he missed a ton of time were when he tore his ACL and when he had the testicular cancer scare. Those haven't really been recurring problems. The rest is the usual short term low-medium contact injuries you are going to sustain playing true big man basketball. The Plantar Fasciitis is a new injury to this season I believe, and he's been able to play through it without missing a bunch of time (played in 25 of our 38 games), pretty good given how serious the injury is.
The knee tendonitis has definitely been slowing him. He's been trying to take it inside constantly but doesn't have his same burst and lift and isn't getting the calls he used to. He's still been remarkably effective though considering. Nene is just not going to make many bad plays. It's probably not that uncommon for him to play a 30 minute game and make 0 mistakes.
I wouldn't be in a rush to deal Nene, but I would listen to offers. He could help every team in the league pretty much because he takes nothing away from the table on the court and his only "flaw" is his health.
If he could get me back a big man with long term value, I'd consider making a move.
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stevemcqueen1
He's not that old though. Only 30. With his skill level, I would expect him to be able to play out the remainder of his contract before you see a sharp decline. The contract isn't horrible either IMO. 13 million flat per year for 3 more years is very fair value for what he brings--true big man, bruising style that beats up opponents, eats up lots of space, good team D, good passing from the post and the ability to command double teams, averages of about 15-16 PPG & 8-9 RPG on 55% shooting from the field, 70+ % FT shooting, with a 20+ PER for about 30 MPG and 70 games per year. The only seasons where he missed a ton of time were when he tore his ACL and when he had the testicular cancer scare. Those haven't really been recurring problems. The rest is the usual short term low-medium contact injuries you are going to sustain playing true big man basketball. The Plantar Fasciitis is a new injury to this season I believe, and he's been able to play through it without missing a bunch of time (played in 25 of our 38 games), pretty good given how serious the injury is.
The knee tendonitis has definitely been slowing him. He's been trying to take it inside constantly but doesn't have his same burst and lift and isn't getting the calls he used to. He's still been remarkably effective though considering. Nene is just not going to make many bad plays. It's probably not that uncommon for him to play a 30 minute game and make 0 mistakes.
I wouldn't be in a rush to deal Nene, but I would listen to offers. He could help every team in the league pretty much because he takes nothing away from the table on the court and his only "flaw" is his health.
If he could get me back a big man with long term value, I'd consider making a move.
Considering his injuries, he's an OLD 30.
Not my trade idea, but someone on RealGm suggested we trade Nene, Ariza, and our 2013 1st (unprotected) for Chris Bosh. Any thoughts?
*They were basing this off of Bosh seemingly looking unhappy as the 3rd fiddle in Miami. He'd be a legit #1 scoring option here in DC, and a core of Bosh, Wall, and Beal would be fun to see.
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MonkFan8
LMAO.....in fairness this was when he was on the Lakers, but that rep is well known.
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RonArtest15
Considering his injuries, he's an OLD 30.
Not my trade idea, but someone on RealGm suggested we trade Nene, Ariza, and our 2013 1st (unprotected) for Chris Bosh. Any thoughts?
*They were basing this off of Bosh seemingly looking unhappy as the 3rd fiddle in Miami. He'd be a legit #1 scoring option here in DC, and a core of Bosh, Wall, and Beal would be fun to see.[COLOR="Gold"]
Bosh would be a decent fit but he can also opt out. Its kind of amusing he's only three seasons removed from a 24-11 season. Miami would have to suffer a serious injury that would impeded championship hopes moving forward for them to consider that. I also think they would rather trade out of conference to a team like...Hou. They might offer something like Asik, Patterson+Protected pick.
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nuposse87
Bosh would be a decent fit but he can also opt out. Its kind of amusing he's only three seasons removed from a 24-11 season. Miami would have to suffer a serious injury that would impeded championship hopes moving forward for them to consider that. I also think they would rather trade out of conference to a team like...Hou. They might offer something like Asik, Patterson+Protected pick.
Good point. Also, I agree that Houston could probably offer a better package (of players), but our pick would top theirs.
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BRAVEONAWARPATH
I can't disagree with anything you wrote.
I think Len is a project as well but since we're more than likely picking somewhere between 4-7, I think his upside would be worth it.
I advocated taking Drummond last year based on upside and I'm approaching Len in the same way.
I'd rather go for the "homerun" rather than playing it safe.
I think there are a several high upside project players around Len's range.
I think Shabazz, Nerlens, and Zeller are separating themselves as a top 3. Then I think McLemore, Len, and Bennet are a second tier for picks 3-6.
Len's upside is among the highest in the class, but there are a couple other guys like Isiah Austin that have similar upside which makes the rush to go out and get Len a little less.
Also, a negative with Len is how up and down he can be. He'll be dominant one game then be a nonfactor in another. That kind of inconsistency can be really frustrating. Especially when you compare it to a very consistent player like Bennett who has a similar draft range.
Though I think it needs to be said that Bennett is actually 3 months older than Len despite the fact he's a freshman. And he didn't have to make the adjustment of going to a foreign country and dealing with a new language. It's understandable he would be farther along.
Right now I'm leaning toward taking Len 4th.
- I think Nerlens and Shabazz are in some order of 1 and 2. I've been highest on Shabazz thus far, but given our need for a true 5 and the difference in positional value, I'm starting to lean towards Nerlens #1.
- Then I really like Zeller in that third spot.
- McLemore might be the fourth best player in the class but I don't think we can use him ourselves. His entire value to us would be as a trade piece. Unless I had a deal lined up when I picked him, I would probably move him down the board some behind the other two guys I've got in his tier.
- So then it comes down to Len vs. Bennett. Right now I'm leaning towards Len because of the difference in upside. Len is a legit 7+ feet tall and I've read he's got a 7'5 wingspan. Even longer than Noel's. Got to be the longest in the class. He's got a toned frame with broad shoulders suggesting he could gain a lot of good weight eventually. That kind of length and frame with his leaping ability and quick feet means his upside is way higher than Bennett's. Bennett will be a tweener forward and a defensive liability given he's not an ideal matchup against either 3s or 4s. Len will be a size mismatch against most 5s once he gets his strength.
Perhaps yesterday was more of a case of James McAdoo having a brilliant game and being a talented prospect in his own right. Better than people are projecting right now. But it's not super encouraging that he's so much physically stronger than Len.
I don't have a read on where we're going to pick. There's no question we're playing better and there is still over half the season to boost our record. Like you said, could be we'll play our way out of top three range and Len would definitely be the BPA.
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nuposse87
Bosh would be a decent fit but he can also opt out. Its kind of amusing he's only three seasons removed from a 24-11 season. Miami would have to suffer a serious injury that would impeded championship hopes moving forward for them to consider that. I also think they would rather trade out of conference to a team like...Hou. They might offer something like Asik, Patterson+Protected pick.
Our offer would beat that offer IMO.
But TBH, I don't really like the idea of giving up our draft pick for most players while we're still the favorite to get #1 overall. Bosh isn't really the true big man I am hoping for.
