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Steve, how in the world can you justify taking Beal at #3 thats insanity, you even said so last week.
Honestly for example what does he do better then Barnes?
Rebound? Put him on Unc doubtful. Beal did' nt rebound that well in high school and played Sf this year with shotjacking guards and no legit bigs.
I take all these guys over Beal without hesitation
Davis
Drummond
Barnes
Mkg
Trob
He is' nt a top 3 pick in any draft, period
Beal is easily in my top 3.
1. Davis
2a Trob
2b Beal
4. MKG
5. Barnes
6. Drummond
Handles the ball better, takes better shots, passes better, and defends better. Beal is a better athlete than Barnes and has a better BBall IQ IMO. I think he's a better three point shooter than Barnes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuels
He's close enough to top 3 and fills a huge need that it doesn't matter that much if we take him at three or if we were sitting at five and took him.Quote:
He is' nt a top 3 pick in any draft, period
Beal slumped early in the season, but came on strong late. If you take that latter part of the season as a better indication of what Beal is capable of, then he makes a lot of sense. He could be a lights out off ball shooter and perimeter defender. Higher upside than Barnes for sure.
The more I think about it, the less I think we should be the ones to draft Drummond. I just don't see him developing here. We need self starters and high motor players who can handle a ton of playing time early. Because whoever we draft at three, we pretty much need them to come in and start day one. I would take Beal over Drummond.
I don't think I'd take him over MKG. MKG is too good. But I'd take him over Barnes because I think Beal ends up being the better NBA player. I think Beal was already a better college player last season as a Freshman than Barnes was as a Sophomore.
Don't know about TRob. TRob was clearly the second best player in college BBall last year. But we probably need a SG or SF a lot more than we need a PF. If need comes into play, you can probably make a case for Beal over TRob.
It's like you're reading my mind, Steve.
I've come full circle on Beal. I loved him during the season, and if you go way back in the thread, I think I was the first to mention him. Then I watched Florida in the tourney and saw how stagnant their offense was when they weren't draining threes. Nobody could create anything for themselves. Their PG play was really, really bad in that loss. Offensive play was brutal, it left an impression. I didn't want to get trapped with a team full of guys who can't create. Only Wall and Crawford have any offensive creativity whatsoever as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fight4RGIII
I didn't like Beal as much because I didn't think he could create his own shots but I've read DX's breakdowns and Beal was actually good getting into the paint and scoring around the rim, not bad. His handles aren't great, but they're good enough to get him good looks around the rim and he's legitimately dangerous in transition. I was underestimating his scoring ability.
So I'm back where I was on him before. Concerns about his handles and creativity have been eased. I already loved all of the other parts of his game. I don't see anyway he doesn't eventually become a terrific player for us if we draft him. Very little bust potential.
Another thing I like about Beal is his toughness and strength. I like that he played safety and quarterback and wide receiver. I like basketball players who were good football players before they settled on basketball because they bring an athleticism and ruggedness to their game.
Terrence Jones = Jeff Green.
Everyone on here was talking about signing Jeff Green...well, here's the younger and less risky version.
That Austin Rivers video gets ugly at the end.
Even Nick Young was impressed after watching that display of selfishness and shot jacking. Nobody wants to play with a guy like that.
His scoring ability is absolutely electric. During the Ohio State game he did something so crazy they pan into the crowd to where LeBron and DWade were sitting and even they were outwardly impressed. Wade had a look on his face like he just thought to himself, "Damn, this kid can score."
But Rivers is simply not the type of player we need to draft. We're just got rid of a bunch of our selfish players. We're just now getting to the point where we're playing ball like a real team. Rivers could be our best scorer by his first or second year but still make us worse.
Yea I want Beal or trade the pick for Harden
We need an actual outside threat and one that doens't just chuck the ball up (Young/Crawford)
We're not going to trade the pick for Harden.
For starters, we couldn't beat Charlotte's preexisting offer.
Second, Ted already said we're not trading the third pick for a veteran(s).
Also, I'm not convinced that would be our best move. Harden wouldn't necessarily be Harden here. For one thing, he'd be our starting 2G and #1 offensive option. By those two factors alone, he'd have a much different role here than he does in OKC where he's the third option and the sixth man.
He'd be a massive roster upgrade for us though. Just because it would be a different role for Harden, doesn't mean he wouldn't be up to fulfilling the extra responsibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevemcqueen1
I already showed you a statistical breakdown of how Beal was a better played in his freshman year than Barnes has been in his 2 seasons. You haven't given one coherent argument other than explaining why Barnes is a better prospect. Do I have to give you the break down again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuels
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He is also a FA after 2013, depending on who we draft will let us know if we're going to make a big run at him. As it stands now, I would see OKC paying up to keep him, even if that is near max money.Quote:
Originally Posted by StillUnknown
Well than Ted would be an idiot not to do so if the oppurtunity presented itself.
Harden averaged almost 17 points a game on 10 FGAs per game. He isn't the "6th man" because he can't start they just do it for the matchups I guess, but to think he cannot start is absurd. Plus ok he is a veteran.... but he is 22 that is not mortgaging the future at all..... that would just be enhancing it.
True. Point is, you're paying a premium for OKC James Harden and you're not entirely sure what you'll be getting in return--other than the absolute fact that it won't be OKC James Harden.Quote:
Originally Posted by StillUnknown
These kinds of moves for veteran players--especially "systemy" guys like Harden--always carry far more risk than fans typically acknowledge.
I don't want to get stuck paying a premium for stats a guy produced for some other team.
Then there is also the matter of his contract.
Harden just isn't going to happen. I'm not sure I'd want it to, even if it were in consideration. I think that kind of move is short sighted and smacks of old Wizards and would cap us out at mediocre.
yes getting a top SG who is 22 is very short-sighted.....
I mean you probably do a trade based on him signing an extension like any trade involving a soon to be FA. He is not a systemy guy, he shot nearly 50%. We would be absolutely lucky if out draft pick becomes as good as harden.
He is one year older than Wall and much much better