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Best I can tell, pro-choice advocates acknowledge that the unborn is a human being (basic biology) but they deny that an unborn human is a PERSON. Its not so much a biological position as a legal position. So the unborn human does not have the rights of personhood even though it is a human being.
abortions that are medically necessary are a very minor percent,and fall under protection of selfQuote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith
How does killing a unborn child protect wealth or it equate to a burglar?
The child 's purpose is not to take from you
The child is a innocent bystander,and women have the right to abandon them at birth
Maybe because one isnt actually killing someone and the other is?Quote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith
Your choices are rather black and white.
I chose "something else".. but at some point it does become human. I'm just not sure when.
For example, i am dead set against these "late term" abortions other than cases where the baby or mother could die .. extreme things. And I am definitely against partial birth.. that's abominable
But early on I am not opposed to it.
I feel like this.
I'm pro choice, but it's not a choice I'd make.
I don't think it should be used lightly.
But the bottom line for me is that it is not as black and white a question as the poll makes it to be. Way too many variables.
If up to me, I'd keep it legal because of those variables.
~Bang
I'm an "unborn baby is a person from conception" guy.
As a result, I am against abortion but not for religious reasons (even though I am a Christian).
My principles mandate that all individuals have very clear rights up until their rights intrude upon the rights of another individual.
I do not believe that the act of carrying a child (a result of a conscious act 99.99% of the time, rape and incest only result in a pregnancy less than one percent of all pregnancies) is an infringement on the mother's rights as an individual.
Therefore, I cannot ever agree with abortion, except in the very few instances where the unborn's life is a danger to the Mother. In that scenario, I can reluctantly provide for ending the baby's life.
If you can deem it okay to kill another based on protection of wealth and self than taking any life you see as a threat to either at any stage is okayQuote:
Originally Posted by SnyderShrugged
---------- Post added July-15th-2011 at 08:43 AM ----------
Cost to raise a child as far a time and money goes can greatly eat into onw's wealthQuote:
Originally Posted by twa
People can call the police also instead of shooting another person
As long as you can justify taking the life of another based on where they live or what you think they may do then really how is that different than the mindset that says end my pregnancy
Yes, you certainly can deem it Ok to kill another in the defense of yours or another's life. The "protection of wealth" is not the fundamental, its the protection of ones life in the event that you do not give in to demands that you give your property to another. The one threatening is the one who escalates it into a threat upon ones self.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith
i'm still trying to figure out how an unborn, innocent child is = burglar, someone intent on doing you harmQuote:
Originally Posted by twa
on one hand you have a person who wants to take from you because they can
on the other hand you have a person who wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for a personal choice you made
and just because you own a gun does not mean you want to kill someone, true it CAN but it's not like we are all pharmacists shooting people 5 - 6 times to make sure they are dead. why can't we just put on in their arm, leg, or any other spot where there are no vital organs just to put the person down? not every shot is a kill shot.
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uhhhhh, since when did shooting someone automatically result in death? pretty sure you can shoot someone without killing them, can you have an abortion without doing the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith
But there are laws on the books where you can kill another of just feeling threatened one does not have to give voice to such a threat you shoot someone just entering your house or leaving but even on the threat of violence for property, you are saying you would rather kill another human than lose your property so if you can place the lie of another as being worth less than your goods than what is the difference between you and the person who sees a pregnancy as a threat to their goodsQuote:
Originally Posted by SnyderShrugged
yeah that dude is off his rocker, it literally feels like he is replying from a nuthouse or he is just trying to get a rise out of people. it's simply stupid to compare the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnyderShrugged
A poll is rather useless if ya get too squishyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bang
to me it is clearly human within days...a individual within 15
is a detectable heartbeat the sign of a human?....brainwaves?....those are proof of life and conciousness.....Not of it being human
the mothers body not rejecting it is the basic proof of it being human
You use a weapon that you know can result in the death of another than you can not claim you did not mean to kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tweedr01
Do all abortions result in death?
The effect is the same to rid yourself of another whom you view a threat in someway
I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by twa
And I'll be completely honest, I don't know that I'm smart or wise enough to ever be sure.
That's why you rarely see me post in any abortion debates... if ever. I read them, and I am not sure why I posted in this one,, but what I wrote above is about the extent of my thinking on the whole thing. It isn't something I'd choose to do myself. I think most parents once their kids have been born probably feel that way. But at the same time, there's a lot more that could be going on that does not match my situation. My son was the usual 'accident'.. but I wasn't a 16 yr old kid, and I was at a stage in my life where it was a welcome accident. The result has given me more happiness and satisfaction than anything else in my life.
I think it's too big a question for me.
~Bang
Or I am applying an equal value to the motivation behind both actions and looking at both acts through what I learned from years of bible readingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tweedr01
yes you can, police use it every day, just because you have no idea how to use one does not mean others do not. we aren't all plaxico burress, i'm not gonna bring a loaded gun to a club and shoot myself. i do this thing called 'aiming' and when i do that i can pinpoint where the bullet will hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith
yes all abortions result in death.
an unborn child is a 'threat' (your words not mine) you created, your personal decision brought them into existence, a felon is not, the felon makes that decision, they create that with their personal decision. these are completely opposite situations.
---------- Post added July-15th-2011 at 09:05 AM ----------
oh great, please do not demean Christianity by equating it to your very skewed view of abortion. you actually believe God approves of abortion? again, off your rocker, please if there is an administrator of your nuthouse watching take away this guys keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRSmith