Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
TD_washingtonredskins
This time last year...he was the best prospect since Bradford. A few months ago, he was the best prospect since Manning. Now, he's the best prospect since Elway or of ALL TIME. Wow.
He's always been ahead of Bradford and Manning from my recollection. People have consistently said he's the best prospect since Elway. It might help you to read and listen to scouts that have a good track record.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
terpskins10
We could. Or we could nab us another Ramsey or Campbell.
I'll take the sure thing. Whatever holes we have that people seem to want to fill BEFORE QB for some reason, a franchise QB goes a long way toward masking those holes. Ask Atlanta or Baltimore. Atlanta was in worse shape than we are now and they went to the playoffs in Ryan's rookie season.
If Shanahan takes a QB in the 1st round...you betchya that QB is going to be a stud in his system. Remember though...QB is DEEP in this draft.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
GibbsFactor
He's always been ahead of Bradford and Manning from my recollection. People have consistently said he's the best prospect since Elway. It might help you to read and listen to scouts that have a good track record.
OK, I'm going off of what people on this board have posted since Luck became a hot topic. I guess we'll see. If Luck is the best QB since John Elway, then I guess you were right. If he's marginally better than some of the other very good young QBs in the league, it would have been pretty foolish to trade away two drafts to land him when one of the other prospects plus 12 or 13 other young players might have been a better haul, right?
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
-JB-
Franchise QB's dont crash & burn
Of course they do. Franchise QB's are partially created, and allowed to bloom into what they have the potential to become, because of situation/coaching/supporting cast/time to develop.
Rodgers was a VERY different player coming out of college than he is now. People would have scoffed then if you told them that in 4-5 years time, Aaron Rodgers would have the best deep ball in the NFL. They would have laughed at you. He needed to sit on the bench for three years like he did, behind a HOF QB, in a stable offense with a consistent, proficient FO. He wouldn't have gotten that here. He'd be a totally different player right now, I reckon. Better than Campbell, probably, but not the stud QB he is now. Most QB's are not just "plug and play", even the ones that have franchise QB caliber skills. Rodgers the super-star "Franchise QB", right now in his prime, is a culmination of MANY factors and advantages, none of which he would have had here.
Almost every QB prospect who succeeds and DOES become that rare, elusive franchise-caliber QB, has a similar story.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
NavyDave
Unfortunately for fellow Skins fans who watch Stanford and USC among others, teams like Denver, the Colts, The Dolphins, 49ers, and the Jaguars are going to be in position to grab the top 3 QBs. Elway's Broncos and the 49ers Coach will look to do this type of trade to get Luck who could still stay in school another year if the team he wants to go to is not in a position to get him in 2012.
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The way things are going the Skins might be Too Rexy to select Luck or a potential QB.
Colts will most likely have Manning back, dont see their front office going for a #1 QB
49ers will get Luck
Seahawks possibly get L. Jones
Denver's fan base would burn the stadium down if they used another first on a QB
Jaguars - see Denver above
Dolphins, eh, I see them as the veteran FA QB type...
There's still Barkley, Griffin, Weeden, Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Moore. etc.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
Champ...
Plus, as you get deeper into the draft, it becomes cheaper to move up. Let's say we actually do exceed expectations and go 8-8 and we're picking 15th or 16th. If there is still a QB or two that Shanahan likes on the board at 10 or 11, that's a trade I'm certainly in favor of making. I just don't want him giving a blank check to the team with the #1 pick when the difference between Luck and whoever we might get in the middle of the first round is probably not worth the price of acquiring him.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
Champskins
Colts will most likely have Manning back, dont see their front office going for a #1 QB
49ers will get Luck
Seahawks possibly get L. Jones
Denver's fan base would burn the stadium down if they used another first on a QB
Jaguars - see Denver above
Dolphins, eh, I see them as the veteran FA QB type...
There's still Barkley, Griffin, Weeden, Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Moore. etc.
All those arguments change for Luck, though. Most of those teams take him if they're at #1. There are a few interesting questions if certain teams get the pick:
Jags or Vikings- Just picked a QB with a first, will they take another. Possibly, if it's Luck, but who can be sure?
Bengals- Only because they're such an insanely bad franchise, maybe they draft a K #1.
Colts- Gotta believe they take Luck, but maybe they decide Peyton is such an "icon" that they should trade the pick and build up the supporting cast for Manning's final couple of seasons.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
ConnSKINS26
Of course they do. Franchise QB's are partially created, and allowed to bloom into what they have the potential to become, because of situation/coaching/supporting cast/time to develop.
Rodgers was a VERY different player coming out of college than he is now. People would have scoffed then if you told them that in 4-5 years time, Aaron Rodgers would have the best deep ball in the NFL. They would have laughed at you. He needed to sit on the bench for three years like he did, behind a HOF QB, in a stable offense with a consistent, proficient FO. He wouldn't have gotten that here. He'd be a totally different player right now, I reckon. Better than Campbell, probably, but not the stud QB he is now. Most QB's are not just "plug and play", even the ones that have franchise QB caliber skills. Rodgers the super-star "Franchise QB", right now in his prime, is a culmination of MANY factors and advantages, none of which he would have had here.
Almost every QB prospect who succeeds and DOES become that rare, elusive franchise-caliber QB, has a similar story.
Did you just say Rodgers "probably" would have been better than Campbell ? Wow lmao
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
-JB-
Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect to enter the draft since Peyton Manning. You have to be kidding me. He's a sure thing. We won't get him anyway cause whoever gets the #1 pick will take him anyway. Like I said unless Rams get #1 pick.
More brilliant football minds than yourself were convinced that Ryan Leaf was at least as good of a prospect as Peyton in the 1998 NFL draft. Nothing is a sure thing.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
We're not even out of September.
Why are we arguing over prospective QB's 7 months ahead of time again?
Hail.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
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Originally Posted by
Champskins
or Fred Davis?
You are saying fred davis is a monster, worth a first round pick? after 2 good games and vanishing last night?
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
Do we need to draft a qb?absolutely....But even playing with the notion of trading all of our picks for 1 player is insane. Have we not learned anything from Vinny? We need more than just a QB to fix this sinking ship.
Re: 2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?
Just an FYI - Mel Kiper (one of the biggest Draft Guru's - if you want to call him that) on JaMarcus Russell before he was taken #1
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Three years from now you could certainly be looking at a guy who is certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league . . . Nobody has an arm like JaMarcus Russell. . .
Obviously, he'll need a little time. But you're talking about a 2-3-year period. Once he's under center, look out, because the skill level he has is certainly John Elway-like."
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Taylorfan2179
You are saying fred davis is a monster, worth a first round pick? after 2 good games and vanishing last night?
I was stating to your claim that "USC offensive players generally suck" and arguing that Fred Davis does not, in fact, suck... that is all. No TE is worthy of a first rounder
