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Yup. And I also think the DNC convention flipped the script a bit too, ESPECIALLY Clinton. Great job of depicting the differences and asking people to choose between the two.
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Clinton is rather talented....maybe not totally honest though:silly:
I can certainly see he would be a good,unbiased source for a recommendation.:deal:
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I can certainly see he would be a good,unbiased source for a recommendation.:deal:
Glad you're catching on ;)
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Hell, I wouldn't want to tell a stranger I'm a Republican either. No wonder R voter ID is down.
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Assuming the Dem vote will be higher than 08 is a REAL stretch
I would suggest a D+3 model (since I do not see Romney as appealing), a typical yr model for polling
I think it will be a referendum on O instead,and from where I sit it ain't looking good for him. :ols:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxE-l...yer_embedded#!
I feel like this is the same as the gas price thing.
The point is these polls from what I have seen do not have the number of Ds increasing. They have the number of Rs decreasing and Is/other increasing.
The Republican pundits, who are desperate to keep their base engaged lest the down ticket carnage ensues, report this in terms of D +3, D + 8, whatever.
This is misleading, because people who don't want to believe the polls assume that a shift from D+3 to D +8 represents a 5 % increase in Ds sampled, when in fact what has happened is 5% of Rs have shifted to I / other (TEA Party/ Libertarian). Or they are using a midterm (2010) to compare to a general election. When people summarize data that is not very complex you need to be suspicious.
Bottom line is Vegas Baby! Or do you think the casinos are looking to help Obama by giving away money? I bet you go into Adelson's place and get 3:1 for Romney.
As to it being a referendum on Obama, see the Daily Show bit I posted last night.
Edit: OK, I watched the video of the lady interviewing her future self. 700k views and overwhelmingly positive rating? Seriously? You guys need to get some ( at least semi) talented comedians. Which brings up a philosophical question I have wondered about for years: Why do Republicans excel at punditry, while Democrats are far better at comedy?
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Actually you're right. I've been dissappointed in Obama for a lot of reasons, but there's no way in hell i'm voting for someone who wants to go back to Bush's policies. No way I'm voting for someone who believes that half of Americans won't take care of their lives.
as if Obama hasnt adopted most of Bush's policies? LOL, people crack me up when they think Obama/Bush and even Romney are for something "different". when fundamentally they arent at all.
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as if Obama hasnt adopted most of Bush's policies? LOL, people crack me up when they think Obama/Bush and even Romney are for something "different". when fundamentally they arent at all.
Yes, he has. In many areas. It's the reason why many, many, people who voted for him are ticked off.
(Although, not quite so much, on the one issue that is by far most important to most voters, right now: The economy.)
OTOH, that also puts Romney and the R's in a funny position.
They've dragged the D's to the place where the R's used to be. Which means that, in order to distinguish themselves from where the D's are, now, they have to move even more into bat**** crazy land.
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Actually you're right. I've been dissappointed in Obama for a lot of reasons, but there's no way in hell i'm voting for someone who wants to go back to Bush's policies. No way I'm voting for someone who believes that half of Americans won't take care of their lives.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. No way I'm voting for someone who will take personal liberties back to the stone age.
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I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. No way I'm voting for someone who will take personal liberties back to the stone age.
Hi Mary! I ask this with all due respect (Cuz you know I luv ya!!) , but what is different from a personal liberties perspective between Romney and Obama? (This isnt in support of Romney at all btw, I just dont see much difference between the two on the personal liberty subject and the President hasnt exactly been stellar in that area at all)
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I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. No way I'm voting for someone who will take personal liberties back to the stone age.
Now, I've seen ample evidence that Romney and the Republicans are firmly committed to doubling down on Trickle Down. In fact, not just doubling down, but squaring it.
But, I haven't seen anything that says Romney intends to take the R's attack on the Constitution, (which, I'll observe, Obama hasn't reversed, and in at least some areas, has increased, himself), and going even further in that direction.
You got any support for that?
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Yes, he has. In many areas. It's the reason why many, many, people who voted for him are ticked off.
(Although, not quite so much, on the one issue that is by far most important to most voters, right now: The economy.)
OTOH, that also puts Romney and the R's in a funny position.
They've dragged the D's to the place where the R's used to be. Which means that, in order to distinguish themselves from where the D's are, now, they have to move even more into bat**** crazy land.
I think I agree! If there were an area of differentiation, I think its more the things they want to spend on. (Sadly, they both want to spend still! but I know we dont see eye to eye totally on that one)
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But, I haven't seen anything that says Romney intends to take the R's attack on the Constitution, (which, I'll observe, Obama hasn't reversed, and in at least some areas, has increased, himself), and going even further in that direction.
You got any support for that?
I strongly suspect she's talking about reproductive rights and the war on women. There is evidence that the Repubs want to reverse progress in this area and move us back to the 19th century.
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I strongly suspect she's talking about reproductive rights and the war on women. There is evidence that the Repubs want to reverse progress in this area and move us back to the 19th century.
Thats claimed in just about every election though and no matter who wins, these things never change in reality. It's somewhat of a phony "war" much like the supposed "war" on Christmas touted by the other side. Its really nothing more than emotion poking to fire up more of a base in a somewhat uninteresting election cycle where most of us assume the winner to be the incumbent already.
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Since about 1968, Republicans have been working insidiously on a campaign to get people not to trust the media and to villainize them as biased agents of corruption and evil or something like that.
Does it really surprise you that they're going after polls now?
These days, if an American says that the sky is blue, Republicans cry in outrage that that's nothing but liberal bias.
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Thats claimed in just about every election though and no matter who wins, these things never change in reality. It's somewhat of a phony "war" much like the supposed "war" on Christmas touted by the other side. Its really nothing more than emotion poking to fire up more of a base in a somewhat uninteresting election cycle where most of us assume the winner to be the incumbent already.
The difference is that this year, dozens of laws have been passed by Republican led majorities curtailing women's rights. To them, it's not a myth, but a very real attack.
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Burgold
Since about 1968, Republicans have been working insidiously on a campaign to get people not to trust the media and to villainize them as biased agents of corruption and evil or something like that.
Does it really surprise you that they're going after polls now?
These days, if an American says that the sky is blue, Republicans cry in outrage that that's nothing but liberal bias.
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The difference is that this year, dozens of laws have been passed by Republican led majorities curtailing women's rights. To them, it's not a myth, but a very real attack.
At a Federal level? I doubt it. Again, its nothing more than a campaign tactic that really is somewhat meaningless when the actual real life events are viewed completely. I cant stand Romney (nor Obama) but lets be real here, Romney wont change a thing in that area and neither will Obama. Its all a lark for sparking up a base during an election year.