Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
mike42
They actually do with minorities. Hispanics/Blacks are a conservative culture in general. Talk to most of them on their political views & sound republican to me. I lean liberal myself, but I'm surprised the minorities swing that way.
this is true. Repblicans are leaving a lot of votes on the table with socially conservative and evangelical blacks and hispanics.
but when the GOP lashes out and labels ANY minority that votes democrat as lazy and looking for a handout and simply voting for dependence on government, it's insulting and comes off as racist (hint: because it is), and trust me they are not making any new friends with that rhetoric.
but the white base eats it up like candy (even the ones on public assistance themselves, weirdly) and regurgitates it all over facebook and news comment sections, with far less careful word choice and semantic nuance, laying bare the basic point far more honestly than the professional candidates would ever dare, but honestly the sentiment is the same anyway.
it is the most damaging thing of all to the republican brand, and it's a habit they can't seem to kick.
people didn't vote for obama because they wanted a handout. (although, ironically, a lot of rich people DID vote for mitt for that very reason!)
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Originally Posted by
greenspandan
but the white base eats it up like candy (even the ones on public assistance themselves, weirdly)
I've always found this to be so odd as well but I think a lot of it may come down to the way the politicians and commentators on the right frame the debate and, more specifically, the exact words and phrases they use. You never hear the words "medicare" or "medicaid" or other programs that are gov't funded when someone on the right is going off on the "moochers". You hear "food stamps" and "welfare" over and over and those are absolutely 100% dog whistle code words that have racial undertones.
Because of the attacks of the past and the racial politics involved those words carry a behind the scenes meaning of "lazy black people" (or "blah people" as Rick Santorum would call them) and I think that might be what a lot of the white people who are on some form of gov't assistance but still go off about "moochers" lean on, even if it is subconscious: "Oh...its those lazy moochers. The minorities. Welfare queens. Food stamps. I'm not one of THOSE people. Not me."
It really irks me that that nonsense still works. But it does, and they know it.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
I'm sure this will help their cause :doh:
http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/08/s...i-vote-romney/
Santorum Claims Homosexuals Stole Election
Former Pennsylvania Senator and GOP Presidential candidate Rick Santorum has claimed that a 'homosexual cabal' stole Tuesday's presidential election.
The conservative catholic politician told CNN this morning that something about the official numbers "just didn't add up" and was forced to draw the only obvious conclusion:
"I see the hand of the homosexual in this massive election fraud," Santorum explained, "Romney was tied or leading in most polls before the election. And then he loses?... Homosexual dirty tricks. It's is the only explanation that makes sense."
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
Rick Santorum sees homosexuals everywhere. Wonder why that is...
"Homosexual dirty tricks" :ols:
And no, Rick, they were not leading or tied in most polls. They were leading or tied in the Romney team's internal polling and in the polling that happened in the heads of the right wing media. The vast majority of credible public polls showed a relatively small but steady lead for Obama throughout the battleground states.
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Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
Burgold
I'm sure this will help their cause :doh:
http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/08/s...i-vote-romney/
Santorum Claims Homosexuals Stole Election
Former Pennsylvania Senator and GOP Presidential candidate Rick Santorum has claimed that a 'homosexual cabal' stole Tuesday's presidential election.
The conservative catholic politician told CNN this morning that something about the official numbers "just didn't add up" and was forced to draw the only obvious conclusion:
"I see the hand of the homosexual in this massive election fraud," Santorum explained, "Romney was tied or leading in most polls before the election. And then he loses?... Homosexual dirty tricks. It's is the only explanation that makes sense."
Burgold, Jonathan Swift called. He'd like a word with you.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Dan T.
Burgold, Jonathan Swift called. He'd like a word with you.
I wouldn't be overly shocked if Santorum really thinks that, but I'd be surprised to hear it spoken out loud.
edit: Elton John is a homosexual? Who knew? :ols:
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
greenspandan
this is true. Repblicans are leaving a lot of votes on the table with socially conservative and evangelical blacks and hispanics.
Maybe, but this is going to be less and less true.
George W. Bush was probably the most AA friendly Republican politician EVER (two blacks to SoS, and 4 blacks to his cabinet overall, he made overt attempts to win their votes, and a big part of his ownership society rhetoric was aimed directly at upwardly mobile middle-class African-Americans), and he could still only carry the same 5-7% of the black vote every GOP presidential candidate carries. Granted, he won Ohio because he got 13% but still. And that ship has sailed since 2008, probably permanently. And I don't think any GOP president will ever win 40% of the Hispanic vote ever again, maybe unless we get a Jeb/Rubio ticket, and I don't think either Jeb or Rubio can get out of a GOP primary unless the guys who pull the strings decide to disregard his still toxic last name and go all in on Jeb as the last hope for the GOP)
Also, and more importantly, black AND hispanic social conservatism has swung massively the other way, if you judge it by positions on marriage equality. Right now, a majority of blacks AND a majority of Hispanics are pro-marriage equality. And even the most hardened social conservatives are now at least willing to listen because Obama supported it.
And if they tone down the xenophobia and racial undertones, it'll depress the turnout of the xenophobic base in the short term, while failing to really win back any of the minority voters they lost.
Also minorities are absolutely fiscally liberal, and the young vote is well to the left of even the Dems.
Imo I think we're looking at another 20-30 year run of liberal ascendancy. Might be too early in the game to make that call but:
- Growing minority population that is NOT going to move into the GOP fold in enough numbers to win,
- Declining white base that is aging out of the voting pool
- Young voters 18-29 are more liberal than ever, especially on social issues (unlike the Boomers, in which a lot of attention was given to a fringish 10-15%, the Millenials are actually a truly left-leaning generation)
- No Cold War to scare voters on foreign policy, and while the War on Terror is still raging, Obama's been so strong on it that he's largely broken the "weak Dem on defense" myth. Killing OBL is going to resonate far past this election imo and the whole Benghazi non-controversy was the GOP sensing this and trying desperately to stem the tide.
Dems could really lock it down, though, if they rolled back some of the infringements on civil liberties like warrantless surveillance and the like, and legalized marijuana.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
mistertim
And no, Rick, they were not leading or tied in most polls. They were leading or tied in the Romney team's internal polling and in the polling that happened in the heads of the right wing media. The vast majority of credible public polls showed a relatively small but steady lead for Obama throughout the battleground states.
Is this just math that you do as a republican to make yourself feel better or is this real? - Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83564.html
Texas politicians said Thursday that the Lone Star State offers key insight into the Hispanic vote, a demographic that has been the subject of considerable discussion — especially among Republicans — in the wake of the election.
“Texas is a way forward to show that you can be very conservative and talk about the issues that Hispanic small business people and people who want their kids to get a good education embrace,” said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) on CNN’s “Starting Point.” “I get a very large percent of Hispanic votes, as did George W. Bush. It’s doable for sure at a national level if we kind of follow the Texas model.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2BjUtnP92
give them a reasons and a person worth voting for and you will win
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
Burgold
I'm sure this will help their cause :doh:
http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/08/s...i-vote-romney/
Santorum Claims Homosexuals Stole Election
Former Pennsylvania Senator and GOP Presidential candidate Rick Santorum has claimed that a 'homosexual cabal' stole Tuesday's presidential election.
The conservative catholic politician told CNN this morning that something about the official numbers "just didn't add up" and was forced to draw the only obvious conclusion:
"I see the hand of the homosexual in this massive election fraud," Santorum explained, "Romney was tied or leading in most polls before the election. And then he loses?... Homosexual dirty tricks. It's is the only explanation that makes sense."
This HAS to be from the Onion :ols:
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
GoSkins0721
Is this just math that you do as a republican to make yourself feel better or is this real? - Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove
That was such a beautiful moment. I love that she then picked up a handheld mic and went down to interview the folks in the internal voting center of Fox who then explained why Rove was a moron.
Heck, I've got friends who believe that once all of the votes are counted that Romney will win the popular vote, all because they believed the Fox News numbers which were (as Dick Morris said) based on 2004 turn-out rather than the 2008 turn-out because they didn't want to believe that the electorate had changed so quickly. And in one night we see ever so clearly what i looks like when the walls of the echo chamber collapse under the weight of reality.
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Originally Posted by
twa
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83564.html
Texas politicians said Thursday that the Lone Star State offers key insight into the Hispanic vote, a demographic that has been the subject of considerable discussion — especially among Republicans — in the wake of the election.
“Texas is a way forward to show that you can be very conservative and talk about the issues that Hispanic small business people and people who want their kids to get a good education embrace,” said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) on CNN’s “Starting Point.” “I get a very large percent of Hispanic votes, as did George W. Bush. It’s doable for sure at a national level if we kind of follow the Texas model.”
Read more:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2BjUtnP92
give them a reasons and a person worth voting for and you will win
Yep, and I'm willing to bet that Hurchison doesn't talk about self deportation, but then I figure she'd fare about as well as Huntsman in the GOP primaries.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Stadium-Armory
Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing a candidate (or Party) that was middle-left on social issues, and slightly right on economic issues (by today's standards). I think that's what's next.
That's pretty much Obama and the Democratic Party.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
BRAVEONAWARPATH
This is 100% due to the Republicans getting ideologically sloppy over the last 12 years or so. They refuse to acknowledge any information that isn't what they want to hear. They've become so cowardly that they refuse to look even at raw data objectively, and so they get blindsided by reality when their fortress of bull**** suddenly collapses. It was easy to see -- in fact it was almost unavoidable -- that Obama had a slim but tangible lead going in to election day. An overwhelming majority of polls painted that picture, particularly in the swing states. But Republicans had spent so much time only accepting the data points they WANTED to be true, that they were completely unprepared. It's a good thing Mitt lost: a good leader must be smart enough to asimilate all information, both good and bad, into his decisionmaking process.
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spjunkies
This HAS to be from the Onion :ols:
daily currant is sort of an onion clone that isn't as brilliantly satirical, instead it goes for more "realism" and gets confused as a real source more often.
Re: Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread
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Originally Posted by
AsburySkinsFan
Yep, and I'm willing to bet that Hurchison doesn't talk about self deportation, but then I figure she'd fare about as well as Huntsman in the GOP primaries.
Yeah, that's the biggest difference, I think. Hutchison and W were at least somewhat friendly towards immigrants; at the very least they weren't openly hostile towards them in the way that many in the current GOP seem to be.
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Originally Posted by
greenspandan
It's a good thing Mitt lost: a good leader must be smart enough to asimilate all information, both good and bad, into his decisionmaking process.
The fact that Mitt didn't even bother to write anything other than a victory speech spoke volumes to me in that way. Not sure if it was willful ignorance, arrogance, or a combination of both.
