Yea, but still looks like CNN is quoting a source who is quoting the emails, i.e. CNN does not have direct access to the emails themselves. I'm wondering who the source is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixcuincle
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Yea, but still looks like CNN is quoting a source who is quoting the emails, i.e. CNN does not have direct access to the emails themselves. I'm wondering who the source is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixcuincle
Coaches that abuse or allow the abuse of the children their supposed to be protecting should be removed as if they never existed and are only mentioned when bad things are said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostic Hog
The Game is a game, the children are what count. It is their #1 mandate.
^and to the dude who brought up Phil Knight, dude (along with Dickie V and Coach K) already put his foot in his mouth regarding Joe Paterno. As powerful as he is, I don't think he's currently in a position to flex his will upon those who may be dishing out a penalty to Penn State.
It was a pervasive culture of corruption, and it was enabled by fans and by media. For decades we have been fed a mass of lies about the honorable "Penn State Way" which is now revealed to be unthinkably obscene.
Penn State football should be shut down, and that action should be taken by the Penn State administration.
That said: that won't happen. They will continue to recruit good players (they're ranked #13 in recruiting), people will continue to donate money (their donations are actually UP for 2012) and ESPN will trumpet how their football team has "overcome adversity" and turn this into a feel-good (and nicely profitable) story. Jerry Sandusky will be demonized as a lone gunman, and no one will question whether we all just might have allowed an entertainment, a sport, to take on far too great a role in our lives and our society.
Penn State is a symptom, hopefully the worst symptom, of a widespread sickness. They have the opportunity to send a message about societal priorities and about simple right and wrong. They've already proven themselves unable to make the right choice. They will play football, Beaver Stadium will be full, ESPN and the Big Ten network will rake in the green, and we'll all be entertained.
You know, each new thing is more depressing than the last, especially as a fan of this team. That said, after giving it some more thought, I'm going to wait on judgment concerning these e-mails. As was pointed out, CNN doesn't have them in hand, they're being fed this stuff from a 3rd party. All I care about at this point is the truth.
LSF, I think you're a little off about painting Sandusky as the lone gunman, so to speak. There are several high level administrators that will be on trial as well, and millions of dollars in civil suits. This isn't going away anytime soon.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...f=twitter_feed
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As the layers of the tragedy at Penn State get pulled back more with each passing day, people keep trying to turn a legal issue into a football one. On the night Jerry Sandusky was convicted, some called for the Death Penalty. Not for Sandusky -- for whom a quick, painless death is far too lenient -- but for Penn State's football program. When CNN obtained e-mails June 29 from the administrators who teamed with coach Joe Paterno to either cover up or ignore an accusation that would have led to Sandusky's arrest in 2001, people wanted jail time for the men involved and an NCAA hammer for the football program.
To use a term the NCAA coined, how can this not represent a Lack of Institutional Control? Because it doesn't -- at least not in the NCAA sense. It is a case of a university having too much control. It is a case of a massive abuse of power with horrific consequences, and the perpetrators of that abuse of power deserve jail time. It is not a case of broken NCAA bylaws, though.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1zTn82oFC
people wearing penn state apparel right now are obnoxious
Totally disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinz4Life12
They're supporting their alma mater, showing that they're still proud of their school despite the actions of a few extremely misguided (and that's putting it gently) individuals. There are hundreds of thousands of alumni, students, administrators, faculty and staff members etc. who had nothing to do with the crime or the cover up.
Trust me. I understand all too well what they're going through. Do not blame their supporters for what a few people did or didn't do.
i'd be embarrassed of my university if this **** went on there.
Then you don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinz4Life12
You don't "get it" when it comes to school pride. Penn State is infinitely bigger and more important than this scandal. They're are less than 10 people (from what I can tell) that are involved in this case. Think they're were more people who knew? Fine, call it 50. Call it 100 or a thousand if you want.
PSU has 44k students in University Park alone, there's almost 100k students in their 24 campuses across the state of PA and online. It has the worlds largest dues-paying alumni association. That school is EXTREMELY important to people in PA, especially in Western PA.
This is a horrible, awful, disgusting thing that happened and Sandusky deserves to die a thousand deaths for what he did and the people who covered for him are almost as twisted and stupid and should be thrown in jail.
BUT this doesn't make Penn State bad. It doesn't mean that Penn State isn't a fantastic school with enormous support and following and a proud tradition and people that are bat **** crazy about PSU and everything that it stands for.
Penn State =/= Jerry Sandusky.
Virginia Tech =/= April 16th.
University of Texas =/= the shootings that have happened there.
UVA =/= George Hugely
Get it?
Proud, big time football tradition is what lead to the coverup.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrellsMyHero28
school shootings don't equate to the penn state mess IMO. so no, I don't get it. I'm not embarrassed for VT because of April 16th. i'm not embarrassed for UVA. those are the actions of individual students which is far from the same thing as this.
i'd be embarrassed if senior officials at my school were covering up heinous acts of a child predator for years and years though
And the fans should be blamed?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeesburgSkinFan
They should hide themselves?
They should deny their alma mater?
This isn't about the fans, it's about some sick people who worked at Penn State who will never work there again and will hopefully go to jail.
People have been on twitter and tweet about how ashamed they are of their university
But people also support their university
Either way is fine by me
Those people are not Penn State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinz4Life12
They're individuals who did extremely stupid things and are now unemployed and will be going to jail.
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Be ashamed of those individuals' actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixcuincle
Penn State is bigger than them and whatever they did/didn't do.