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The Robert Griffin Experience
The only thing wrong with that picture is that it didn't have "Before Reagan".
Tell us more of your experience during the Reagan Years? I mean, you had to experience alot as a twinkle in your Daddy's eye......
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Fight Fight Fight.....This is awesome!!!!!
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I may not have lived through the Reagan years, but I sure do know my history! And no, not the hagiography Republican pundits and the mainstream media spew out.
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It's funny how Republicans can consider Reagan as the shining light on the hill of Republican presidents while also acknowledging that Reagan would be nye-unelectable in this current political system because even Reagan is too moderate for Conservatives.
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It's nice to see this thread has turned fairly humorous :)
The thread has turned into a win, quite funny.
After Tuesday we are all friends :)
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Funny, I'm not a Reagan fan.....he spent like he was still a Democrat,and had the same issues with military ROE as the present one.
He was a major improvement over Carter though
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twa
Funny, I'm not a Reagan fan.....he spent like he was still a Democrat,and had the same issues with military ROE as the present one.
He was a major improvement over Carter though
Every Republican "spends like a Democrat". Nixon, Reagan, George H.W, Dubya. They all spent huge. It's nothing new.
Republicans should just do themselves a favor and not complain about "spending like a Democrat" and amend it to "Democrats spend money on too much **** we don't like and not enough on **** we do like."
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The spending was one of the few things he did right, sort of. If he had followed the rhetoric, we'd have gone into depression. Reagan was at least smart enough to realize that.
Fact is, free market economics is about as credible as the Earth being flat, and without the powerful moneyed interests behind it, it would have been a laughingstock after 2008, just like big money rescued guys like Mises and Hayek from being the butt of economic thought.
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Great comment from CNN
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The economy didn't just crash under a Republican president, it crashed under Republican policies. It crashed with low taxes. It crashed with deregulated markets. It crashed with huge restrictions on union activity. It crashed with massive cuts in environmental regulations. It crashed with lowered trade barriers. It crashed with big fat Pentagon spending.
They got what they wanted. They got CEOs with no limits on their wealth. They got banks with no limits on their "creativity." They got trade agreements that guaranteed manufacturing could be moved to the dirtiest, cheapest, most desperate source available. They got massive cuts in capital gains taxes and equally large boosts in the wealth they could pass along in estates. They got everything they said would make us all wealthy. They got record oil and gas drilling. They got record giveaways of public land. They got everything they said would create jobs. They got the middle class to shoulder more, more, more of the burden so that those beautiful job creators would be free to work their magic.
They can't say the economy crashed because taxes went up, because they didn't. They can't say that the economy crashed because there was a raft of new regulation, because there wasn't. They can't blame it on "union thugs" or Saul Alinsky or the guy who writes Happy Holidays cards at Hallmark. They can't blame it on a president who was elected when the world was already in free fall. Only, of course they do. They say it because they have no choice.
For the same reason that they have to maintain that global warming is the creation of a conspiracy of scientists, and that evolution is a conspiracy of other scientists, and that gay marriage is a threat to "traditional" marriage. They have to lie about the threat of illegal immigrants. Lie about the state of the national debt. Lie about the effects of the President's health care plan. They have to lie, because lies are all they have left.
They certainly can't admit the truth about the economy. They can't admit that they did it. Own it. That their policies directly caused the worst economic failure in American history. Strike that. Make it "the greatest failure in American history since the last time that these same policies were tried." But then, they've been lying about that bit of history for years.
The truth is that the Republicans have nothing to offer. Not even anything that looks like a governing philosophy. Conservatism has moved out of the ranks of political theories and simply become a cult; one that requires that certain phrases be mouthed, that certain hatreds be nourished, and that purity be maintained regardless of cost. That schism with reality is increasingly large and increasingly obvious. They try to paper over that gap by dismissing little things like science, reason, history. Real science fails to support their contentions, so they have to write it off. Reason doesn't work for them, so any question must be met with red-faced indignity — every question a gotcha question. Real history is full of warts, quirks, and unfortunate truths that don't fit their ritualized beliefs. So they have to try to rewrite history, giving us rewrite Reagan who never raised a tax or increased a debt, rewrite FDR who created the issues he actually solved, rewrite Lincoln who championed the Confederate cause, rewrite founding fathers who never owned slaves, never supported government regulation of the economy, never wavered in their ardent love for a form of religiosity that didn't yet exist. Tricorner hats are the new tinfoil.
The real danger isn't that someone might listen to the Republicans—anyone who lies long enough and loud enough can always find an audience, especially when that someone has three quarters of the television media and ninety+ percent of radio. The danger is that we might forget that they're lying. Too often Democrats, including this president, have felt that the best way to handle Republican fantasies is to compromise with them. You can't compromise reality, no matter how loud the lies.
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Conservatism has moved out of the ranks of political theories and simply become a cult; one that requires that certain phrases be mouthed, that certain hatreds be nourished, and that purity be maintained regardless of cost.
This didn't start in 2008 or 1996 or even 1980. Or even 1932. It started the moment it became apparent that democracy would undermine the power of the moneyed classes, would force them to pay their fair share to the society that educated them, built the infrastructure they used, and provided them with a market. Once it became apparent that openly lording it over the masses and forcing them to pay tribute to the lords was a doomed strategy, they have had to cover it up with jingoistic propaganda, myths about "the magic of the marketplace" (and the useful idiots who called themselves economists didn't help because they allowed their scientific study of how a market economy works to be elevated to the realm of magic), and social issues.
Conservatism isn't about free markets or national defense or traditional issues or even racial animus, people. It's about wealth extraction. It's the drive to roll back the Enlightenment and return society to a state where the rich and powerful extract wealth from the poor and weak, ironically by brainwashing the poor and weak into believing the wealth extractors have THEIR best interests at heart, even while the extractors they suck their blood. Mitt Romney is about as good an example as it gets of what conservatism truly is. Wealth extraction. Suck the life out of healthy enterprises for personal gain, to enlarge his fiefdom. At that point, it's not about money anymore, it's about "because I can, peasant". That is conservatism. That is what conservatism always has been.
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The Robert Griffin Experience
This didn't start in 2008 or 1996 or even 1980. Or even 1932. It started the moment it became apparent that democracy would undermine the power of the moneyed classes, would force them to pay their fair share to the society that educated them, built the infrastructure they used, and provided them with a market. Once it became apparent that openly lording it over the masses and forcing them to pay tribute to the lords was a doomed strategy, they have had to cover it up with jingoistic propaganda, myths about "the magic of the marketplace" (and the useful idiots who called themselves economists didn't help because they allowed their scientific study of how a market economy works to be elevated to the realm of magic), and social issues.
Conservatism isn't about free markets or national defense or traditional issues or even racial animus, people. It's about wealth extraction. It's the drive to roll back the Enlightenment and return society to a state where the rich and powerful extract wealth from the poor and weak, ironically by brainwashing the poor and weak into believing the wealth extractors have THEIR best interests at heart, even while the extractors they suck their blood. Mitt Romney is about as good an example as it gets of what conservatism truly is. Wealth extraction. Suck the life out of healthy enterprises for personal gain, to enlarge his fiefdom. At that point, it's not about money anymore, it's about "because I can, peasant". That is conservatism. That is what conservatism always has been.
Ironically what they dont realize is that it's not about trickle down, its about trickle UP. Increase the wealth of the masses and you create the customers, you create the demand, you create the wealth that eventually funnels it's way to the top. The relationship needs to be symbiotic, not parasitic.
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Since Christie-related stories have been in here...this is nothing, just some fun ...
http://www.inquisitr.com/386024/limb...a-of-bromance/
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After describing how Republican Christie “has decided to play the role of a Greek column for President Obama,” Limbaugh huffed: “Let’s just put it this way: Is it wrong for one man to love another man? That man love out there is isolated in the state of New Jersey.”
Earlier this week, Limbaugh argued that the media would use Hurricane Sandy in an attempt to make President Obama “look good.”
In the same segment as his “man love” remark, Limbaugh claimed New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg had endorsed Republican candidate Mitt Romney. 24 hours later, Bloomberg had announced his support of President Obama.
One thing that isn't fun is the fact that millions of dotards still listen to this guy---not just for some form of exaggerated humor or tongue-in-cheek entertainment with a message, but much more serious and sad reasons, still investing substantial credibility in what this vermin and his ilk bring to the table every day.
Studying the mental functions of the huge segments of the political demographic that forms Rush's loyal audience seems like it would be quite interesting, but of greatest social benefit if they were observable only from outside a cage. :pfft: :D
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The Robert Griffin Experience
I may not have lived through the Reagan years, but I sure do know my history! And no, not the hagiography Republican pundits and the mainstream media spew out.
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DieselPwr44
Tell us more of your experience during the Reagan Years? I mean, you had to experience alot as a twinkle in your Daddy's eye......
A couple of things-
1. Yes, I admit I had to look up hagiography.
2. Diesel tries to spank the young man because of his age and The RGE makes him look as foolish as Eastwood talking to an empty chair. :ols:
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I, a liberal, actually listened to the Rush Limbaugh show and part of the Sean Hannity show as I was driving this morning. It was a miraculous feat of endurance but I wasn't quite able to finish Hannity.
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DieselPwr44
Tell us more of your experience during the Reagan Years? I mean, you had to experience alot as a twinkle in your Daddy's eye......
Weak, attack someone's age as if that means anything, you're only five years older than me, so by the end of Reagan you may have hust been getting out of high school, so yeah forgive me if I don't defer to your vast economic experience during Reagn's tenure.
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Originally Posted by
The Robert Griffin Experience
I may not have lived through the Reagan years, but I sure do know my history! And no, not the hagiography Republican pundits and the mainstream media spew out.
Don't accept that crap, he was playing Atari the same as I was during the Reagan years.
