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This series is not over.
From my understanding the Cards have to win 3 games. They only have 2 games won thus far.
If we can get 1 damn hit with runners on and swing the momentum back we can take it to the Cards. Morse today killed 2 potentially big rallies by himself. What was aggravating was Ian Desmond would come up the next inning, and lead off with a base hit or double.
1 hit. Get 1 lead. Today was great as the park was packed early. People were juiced. But quickly the air was let out as it was 4-0 in the 2nd yet fans stayed as long as possible till it was very obvious in the 8th the game was over
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This series is not over.
From my understanding the Cards have to win 3 games. They only have 2 games won thus far.
If we can get 1 damn hit with runners on and swing the momentum back we can take it to the Cards. Morse today killed 2 potentially big rallies by himself. What was aggravating was Ian Desmond would come up the next inning, and lead off with a base hit or double.
1 hit. Get 1 lead. Today was great as the park was packed early. People were juiced. But quickly the air was let out as it was 4-0 in the 2nd yet fans stayed as long as possible till it was very obvious in the 8th the game was over
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stevemcqueen1
Plain and simple, the Mets didn't have anywhere close to our level of talent.
You have to go back to the Ken Griffey/ARod/Big Unit Mariners to start finding an analogous level of talent.
In three years I see this club being even better than they are now. Easily. Not only will Stras and Harper be superstars by that time, the other young guys like Jordan, Storen, Ramos, Desi, and Espi will probably be better too. Goodwin and Rendon will probably be in the lineup by then, and we'll probably be stronger defensively and offensively because of it. If we can keep the bench in tact, we'll be better.
We've got more talent than the Phillies had in their core over their six or seven year run of the Manuel/Utley era where they won the division five times. I expect our window to last at least that long..
another great example. That trio only made two playoffs together.
Davey Johnson's Mets only made 2 postseason appearances. (I know, not a lot of postseason spots)
Look at the Devil Rays, in 2008 they looked like a core that would be challenging the Yankees and Red Sox for years to come. Have they made the ALCS since 2008?
There are too many variables at hand. What if Strasburg messes up his elbow again? What if Gio falls off a cliff next year? What if Bryce doesnt make the jump next year that we all expect (sort of like Espinosa this year)? What if Rendon cant stay healthy as has been the case with him so far? And the biggest variable, what if Davey Johnson cant manage after next season?
This is not a video game or fantasy sports, life happens and can get in the way. You have to take advantage of these seasons while they are in front of you. This is especially true in baseball where its so wildly unpredictable. Most of us thought next year would be the year for us, not this year and look what happened.
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another thing i notice is that this team wants to score quick and with the HR swing. This team has completely lost its ability to play small ball.
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Why is everyone so eager to get to the off season? We haven't been eliminated yet...
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hail2theskins3
Why is everyone so eager to get to the off season? We haven't been eliminated yet...
It's Washington sports, bro. We have gotten used to being bounced early in the playoffs, if we even make it to the playoffs.
Plus, it's easier to deal with if you can get the grieving over early. When it comes to an end, you're not as disappointed.
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stevemcqueen1
Plain and simple, the Mets didn't have anywhere close to our level of talent.
You have to go back to the Ken Griffey/ARod/Big Unit Mariners to start finding an analogous level of talent.
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I think you can make a case for the talent of the 2003 cubs... and that is reason for concern . Those cubs had the best young staff in baseball, set the league record (that I think still stands) for strikeouts in a season. Mark Prior won like 19 games, finished 2nd in cy young voting. Had a still youngish Kerry wood and a young Carlos zambrano. The offense was flush with one of the best (roided out) hitters in the game in Sammy Sosa, Aramis Ramiriez came over mid year and a young Cory Patterson looked like he was a true star in the making. Even when they lost in game 7 in the NLCS they were a team certain to be there for years.
2004: missed the playoffs due to a ton of injuries
2005: just missed the playoffs
2006: last place
2007: lost in first round
2008: lost in first round
2009: started to rebuild
Baseball is a funny game and windows can close... you gotta win now.
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Dallsux
It's Washington sports, bro. We have gotten used to being bounced early in the playoffs, if we even make it to the playoffs.
Plus, it's easier to deal with if you can get the grieving over early. When it comes to an end, you're not as disappointed.
it makes defeat so bearable, and victory so sweet and fulfilling.
Accept defeat early so when it comes, you can relax and not get mad.
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Brad_Edwards_Fan
I think you can make a case for the talent of the 2003 cubs... and that is reason for concern . Those cubs had the best young staff in baseball, set the league record (that I think still stands) for strikeouts in a season. Mark Prior won like 19 games, finished 2nd in cy young voting. Had a still youngish Kerry wood and a young Carlos zambrano. The offense was flush with one of the best (roided out) hitters in the game in Sammy Sosa, Aramis Ramiriez came over mid year and a young Cory Patterson looked like he was a true star in the making. Even when they lost in game 7 in the NLCS they were a team certain to be there for years.
2004: missed the playoffs due to a ton of injuries
2005: just missed the playoffs
2006: last place
2007: lost in first round
2008: lost in first round
2009: started to rebuild
Baseball is a funny game and windows can close... you gotta win now.
this is an excellent example. I dont know about WS, but I really thought the Cubs would be good for a while and they and their fans did too. Shoot, I dont think Prior or Patterson had anything to do with their 2007 and 2008 seasons, and Wood became a closer in 2008. The exact opposite happened. Baseball is just unpredictable. Nothing is ever guaranteed, although I hope that these guys can do something special today and over the next few years.
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Don't Panic.......
Take a deep breath, Nationals fans.
It can be easy, when your team’s back is against the wall, playing to keep its season alive, to panic and lose hope. The postseason brings heightened emotions and an extra sense of urgency to every game, so individual wins and losses can seem blown out of proportion. That’s why now is as good a time as ever to remove emotion from the equation for the moment, to step back, and to look at the reality of what lies ahead the next day or two, based on what we’ve learned about the Nationals and Cardinals from the 2012 season.
By the time Major League teams hit the postseason, they have formed an identity. A 162-game regular season lends enough time to form trends and predictable results, a sample size that – while it does not always play out exactly to form – gives the viewing audience an idea of what to expect from a team in the playoffs.
The Cardinals posted a +117 run differential over the course of the regular season, fourth-best in baseball and second in the National League only to Washington’s +137 mark. They went 60-31 in games in games decided by three or more runs, also the second-best mark in the league. This is no doubt a strong indicator of the Cardinals ability to produce prolifically on offense, but it also helps compensate for another, less flattering, team statistic. See, St. Louis went just 28-43 (.394) in games decided by less than three runs, ranking just a hair above Chicago and Houston – two teams that combined to lose 208 games this year – as the worst in the league.
Continued at link......
http://curlyw.mlblogs.com/2012/10/10...156061071-1067
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Question for Nats fans. Would you rather lose like you did yesterday or like the O's did last night?
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boysetsfire
Question for Nats fans. Would you rather lose like you did yesterday or like the O's did last night?
As an O's fan, I'd rather lose how you guys did. Our loss last night was a punch straight to the gut and feels like its gonna be tough to recover from.
Good luck to you guys again today. One of our teams has to keep playing to represent the area.
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boysetsfire
Question for Nats fans. Would you rather lose like you did yesterday or like the O's did last night?
i'd much rather lose like the O's did. I mean, we're in it the whole time, sure it hurts more but that's part of being a fan. I can't stand getting crushed, especially when we're supposed to be the one's doing the crushing. But its just one loss (at a time) lets see if we can even this series out tonight.
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MattFancy
Good luck to you guys again today. One of our teams has to keep playing to represent the area.
Hopefully, BOTH teams will still be playing after today.
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MattFancy
As an O's fan, I'd rather lose how you guys did. Our loss last night was a punch straight to the gut and feels like its gonna be tough to recover from.
Good luck to you guys again today. One of our teams has to keep playing to represent the area.
Yesteray sucked. Went to Nats game, and the fans wanted SO BADLY to explode. Nats never gave them an opportunity. I would much rather watch a tight, back and forth game that ends suddenly than a slow bleed that you can't stop and really have no chance of recovering from. Then I get home and watch the O's. BRUTAL sports day.
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Popeman38
Yesteray sucked. Went to Nats game, and the fans wanted SO BADLY to explode. Nats never gave them an opportunity. I would much rather watch a tight, back and forth game that ends suddenly than a slow bleed that you can't stop and really have no chance of recovering from. Then I get home and watch the O's. BRUTAL sports day.
Definitely not a good sports day around here. Hope both teams bounce back today. This area deserves more playoff games!
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Brad_Edwards_Fan
I think you can make a case for the talent of the 2003 cubs... and that is reason for concern . Those cubs had the best young staff in baseball, set the league record (that I think still stands) for strikeouts in a season. Mark Prior won like 19 games, finished 2nd in cy young voting. Had a still youngish Kerry wood and a young Carlos zambrano. The offense was flush with one of the best (roided out) hitters in the game in Sammy Sosa, Aramis Ramiriez came over mid year and a young Cory Patterson looked like he was a true star in the making. Even when they lost in game 7 in the NLCS they were a team certain to be there for years.
2004: missed the playoffs due to a ton of injuries
2005: just missed the playoffs
2006: last place
2007: lost in first round
2008: lost in first round
2009: started to rebuild
Baseball is a funny game and windows can close... you gotta win now.
Do you think that's a good analogy though? Wood and Prior had their careers ruined from overwork. That's anathema to this FO. And back before Sammy Sosa was white, he was juicing and his career was over after it no longer became possible for him to do that, at about the time you saw their run ended.
I just don't see that being a comparable situation you can make projections based off.
What about the Phillies under Charlie Manuel? They had 6 straight years of great seasons. They had a lot of great players they kept for a long time, each playing at a high level, and they had a long run of success. Why not use that as an indication of what this team can do?
What about the Braves of the 90's and how they ran off such a long run of success?
We're all speculating here on the future of course. But saying this is something that's unlikely to last is the counterintuitive speculation.
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AsiaticSkinsFan
another great example. That trio only made two playoffs together.
Davey Johnson's Mets only made 2 postseason appearances. (I know, not a lot of postseason spots)
Look at the Devil Rays, in 2008 they looked like a core that would be challenging the Yankees and Red Sox for years to come. Have they made the ALCS since 2008?
There are too many variables at hand. What if Strasburg messes up his elbow again? What if Gio falls off a cliff next year? What if Bryce doesnt make the jump next year that we all expect (sort of like Espinosa this year)? What if Rendon cant stay healthy as has been the case with him so far? And the biggest variable, what if Davey Johnson cant manage after next season?
This is not a video game or fantasy sports, life happens and can get in the way. You have to take advantage of these seasons while they are in front of you. This is especially true in baseball where its so wildly unpredictable. Most of us thought next year would be the year for us, not this year and look what happened.
What if Strasburg becomes the greatest pitcher of the era? What if Gio wins a Cy Young next season? What if Harper reels off several NL MVPs in a row starting next season? What if Rendon comes up and wins gold gloves and a couple batting titles?
I understand you are a defensive pessimist. That doesn't make your speculation any more valid than mine, especially since yours is counterintuitive.
Look, you either believe in the process we established when Rizzo took over, or you don't. Everything we've done since then has been consistent with that process. I believed in the process three years ago and I still do today. Losing two games in the playoffs isn't going to change that for me. Nor do I believe it should change the course we set. We don't need to make any wholesale changes to a 98 win team with a good farm where the core of it is 28 and under. Shouldn't this be pretty obvious?
